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2012-11-02 03:22:31 PM

Sybarite: Arn_Dee: They should just name all of their ships after Star Trek ships.

USS Crazy Horse


You damned right.
 
2012-11-02 03:37:30 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Frothy Panties:
Too much politics in naming our carriers. I don't feel to keen on naming carriers after politicians.

We need to bring back Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Constellation, Independence, etc. and keep the politicians out of it.

We need to keep an Enterprise at sea.

The classic names. Military ships should carry on the traditions, and the names, of those who came before them. I would also say it has an effect on the morale of those who serve on them. Which would inspire people more, serving on the USS Yorktown, with all its history...or serving on the USS Bob Dole?


Bob Dole says Bob Dole is not amused by your attempt to belittle Bob Dole's military and political career.
 
2012-11-02 03:50:30 PM
www.startrek.com

Our revels now are ended, Kirk.

/I am as constant as the northern star...
//I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

Looks like I know what I'm re-watching when I get home. I really wish they'd let Chang live, just so there'd be a chance he's reprise that role again.
 
2012-11-02 04:24:52 PM
An aircraft carrier is an amazing engineering feat but they can't save all of them. 1st nuclear should probably be saved.

As for the name, Enterprise doesn't have to be a regular aircraft carrier. A WWII carrier named Wasp, was reassigned as a class of amphibious helo/v-stol carrier LHD-1.

They are making an America class amphibious helicopter carrier maybe Enterprise, Saratoga, Constellation, and Independence can be re-assigned.
 
2012-11-02 04:44:43 PM

Maul555: that bosnian sniper: ...cut up and sold for scrap? Aww, to hell with that. Clean it up, turn it into a museum.

they literally cant. they have to cut big holes in the ship to get the nuclear reactors out... it would have to be rebuilt after that.


My God what is this, the dark ages+
 
2012-11-02 04:55:31 PM
The scrapping of CV6 is the biggest failure of naval preservation, ever. We have a pile of old battleships, which are cool, but Enterprise was the Pacific war.
 
2012-11-02 05:48:54 PM

mjohnson71:
Side question: I know they've got some new "Ford" class carriers on the way; aren't they pushing to name one of those "Enterprise"?


The USS Gerald Ford which will replace the Enterprise was almost named Enterprise. The problem is if they named it after Enterprise then the new class of carrier would the "Enterprise Class". The current Enterprise is already it's own class therefore you would have two classes of CVN's both named Enterprise. That would be confusing.

CVN-80 will probably be called Enterprise but it's not due to to be completed until 2025.
 
2012-11-02 06:21:49 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Frothy Panties:
Too much politics in naming our carriers. I don't feel to keen on naming carriers after politicians.

We need to bring back Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Constellation, Independence, etc. and keep the politicians out of it.

We need to keep an Enterprise at sea.

The classic names. Military ships should carry on the traditions, and the names, of those who came before them. I would also say it has an effect on the morale of those who serve on them. Which would inspire people more, serving on the USS Yorktown, with all its history...or serving on the USS Bob Dole?


I agree 100%

Those names have history and meaning. Just like the names of ground troop divisions. Imagine the outrage if they tried to get rid of the 101st airborne! Ships are pieces of equipment that need to be retired and replaced as they age, but the proud names those ships wear should be preserved on a new more capable vessel.
 
2012-11-02 07:34:54 PM

Frothy Panties: There is a petition out there to name one of the new class (CVN-80) of carrier the Enterprise.

Too much politics in naming our carriers. I don't feel to keen on naming carriers after politicians. Stennis and Vinson? Reagan....who never saw a day of combat in his life. Really?

We need to bring back Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Constellation, Independence, etc. and keep the politicians out of it.

We need to keep an Enterprise at sea.


And we need a Hornet.
 
2012-11-02 07:59:13 PM

soj4life: They are just scrapping it, no museum or anything?



Although the whole ship can't be saved, there is supposedly a study to see what it would cost to get her island (or her bridge) and other parts of the ship to the Mariners' Museum at Newport News, VA, where Enterprise was built. Whatever gets decided, some parts of the ship will be saved - unlike the horrifying way CV-6 was sent to oblivion.

Not exactly a CSB, but there was a reason CV-6 wasn't saved - the USN was terrified that some ignorant politician would walk aboard the preserved Enterprise at Annapolis (her intended home had she survived) and said, "Why, this is a perfectly good aircraft carrier - they don't need any new ones!!"

/heard that from a former CV-6 crew member who was part of the effort led by FADM Halsey to save her
 
2012-11-02 09:04:05 PM
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"How do YOU like it, biatch?"

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"...asshole."
 
2012-11-02 09:54:51 PM

larkmaj: zarberg: Maul555: that bosnian sniper: ...cut up and sold for scrap? Aww, to hell with that. Clean it up, turn it into a museum.

they literally cant. they have to cut big holes in the ship to get the nuclear reactors out... it would have to be rebuilt after that.

It's why we haven't turned a single nuclear sub into a museum, AFAIK.

Nautilus


The Nautilus is a unique museum warship. It's one of only three ships preserved directly by the U.S. Navy (the others being the Constitution and the USS Barry, a destroyer that served during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Vietnam) - all other ships are preserved by private or state enterprise agencies. Nautilus is the only nuclear-powered vessel currently operating as a museum.

The only other nuclear-powered vessel that has been a museum - the cargo ship NS Savannah - was at Patriots Point with the Yorktown for about 12 years, but in the early 1990s the US Maritime Administration agreed to terminate Patriots Point's contract because the vessel was just too costly to effectively maintain. Granted, that museum has had a whole host of problems over the years, including collecting too many vessels and a series of incompetent directors. But Savannah proved that preserving a vessel with its reactor intact was just too much of a headache.

So leaving the reactor intact in a warship museum is logistically and financially prohibitive, and the Navy doesn't need to spend that kind of money on a third warship museum.

Maul555: that bosnian sniper: ...cut up and sold for scrap? Aww, to hell with that. Clean it up, turn it into a museum.

they literally cant. they have to cut big holes in the ship to get the nuclear reactors out... it would have to be rebuilt after that.


The cost estimates vary wildly, but someone from the Inactive Ships Program estimated anywhere from $50 to $200 million. No private or state enterprise agency could raise that money, especially in this economy.

trotsky: When CV-6 came home after WWII there was a pretty strong movement to make her a museum because she was the only ship that had been through it all (even though Saratoga had also survived the war, her record was not nearly as extensive). Even Halsey jumped into the fray. As they raised the money, the Navy sold her off and she was scrapped. Sad end for a helluva cool ship.


They tried to raise the money twice, once in 1949 and once again in the early 1950s. The 1949 effort came the closest to being successful, but the State of New York was not prepared to preserve a large aircraft carrier. However, the loss of the Enterprise was what spurred popular interest in the late 1950s to save three of the fast battleships when the Navy made another series of cullings from the Reserve Fleet. The North Carolina, Alabama, and Massachusetts might not have been saved had it not been for the public awareness that came out of Enterprise being scrapped.

As we move forward in the 21st century, and more and more Cold War vessels are decommissioned, the Navy and people interested in warship museums are going to have to make important decisions about what to save. A lot of people don't realize the sheer amount of money, resources, and labor it takes to operate a museum. Places like Patriots Point can barely take care of the vessels they have. The Olympia in Philadelphia is sinking into the mud of the Delaware River's west bank. The vessel needs about $45 million worth of work, and Independence Seaport can't raise that kind of money. There is a good chance we may lose the only surviving American naval vessel from the Spanish-American war and the pre-WWI era (the Japanese were smart; they pulled the Mikasa into a berth and filled it with concrete). A few years ago there was a group of people interested in obtaining the USS Kitty Hawk and bringing it to Wilmington, NC. They already HAVE a ship - the North Carolina - and BB-55 needs every cent it can get out of its donors (the state of North Carolina pays for road maintenance to the museum, and the insurance policy, and that's it).

Ships as museums are cool, but they're farking expensive, and we have to make decisions about what we preserve very carefully.

/gettin' off my master's thesis soapbox now
 
2012-11-02 10:34:43 PM

Bullroarer_Took: Frothy Panties: There is a petition out there to name one of the new class (CVN-80) of carrier the Enterprise.

Too much politics in naming our carriers. I don't feel to keen on naming carriers after politicians. Stennis and Vinson? Reagan....who never saw a day of combat in his life. Really?

We need to bring back Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Constellation, Independence, etc. and keep the politicians out of it.

We need to keep an Enterprise at sea.

And we need a Hornet.


Hornet, Independence and Constellation would work. The Tico's kind of have the corner on battle names though - and the Tarawa's I guess.

We do have a Wasp out there though. Helping with relief efforts on the East coast right now.
 
2012-11-03 12:22:22 AM

Frothy Panties: Sybarite: My brother was serving aboard her back in the 80s when they filmed scenes for Top Gun.

/cool story (about my) bro

I had a friend (who was a Grape) that served on the Enterprise when they filmed Top Gun...said they had sooo many wimpy takes with Cruise throwing Goose's dog-tags out to sea the director finally got fed up and said, "Throw'em like a man, Tom". A good chunk of the crew was standing around when this happened at his little self stormed off the set.

CSB?


That story may have been the highlight of my week.
 
2012-11-03 12:32:26 AM

dennysgod: After its nuclear fuel and eight reactors are safely removed, CVN-65, The USS Enterprise, will be cut up and sold for scrap.

[i42.tinypic.com image 664x490]

Approves


About the funniest thing in context I've ever seen in Fark.
 
2012-11-03 12:36:11 AM

Comic Book Guy: [www.startrek.com image 320x240]

Our revels now are ended, Kirk.

/I am as constant as the northern star...
//I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

Looks like I know what I'm re-watching when I get home. I really wish they'd let Chang live, just so there'd be a chance he's reprise that role again.


When I worked at the Star Trek Experience, one of the Klingon actors decided to get all shakespeary and began reciting lines to an audience. One of us retail workers (Bajorans without the makeup) said "I'd give real money if he'd shut up." which drew applause from the audience, but pissed off the actor, who stormed off.

Which always had me thinking, "Dude, you're in klingon makeup. At a Star Trek theme park. Reciting Shakespear. Where the only Star Trek reference to Klingons AND Shakespeare follows up with that line. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT?!"

Actors.. pfft.
 
2012-11-03 01:41:02 AM
I was up in Bremerton WA back in the early 1980s, and the Enterprise was in the dry-docks there. They were having massive problems with their reactor. I ran into a guy who was stationed on the Enterprise. He had very little hair and only a few teeth, and was under 30 years old. Dude's prob'ly dead by now.
 
2012-11-03 01:46:34 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Maybe, but first we must name the next one the George H. W. Bush and the one after that the George Bush, and then the one after that the Chris Christie. You know after the 41st, 43rd and 45th presidents


Already been done. The final Nimitz carrier was commissioned GHWB in 2009:
 
2012-11-03 02:09:20 AM

dukeblue219: Slaves2Darkness: Maybe, but first we must name the next one the George H. W. Bush and the one after that the George Bush, and then the one after that the Chris Christie. You know after the 41st, 43rd and 45th presidents

Already been done. The final Nimitz carrier was commissioned GHWB in 2009:


Yeah, but unlike Regan, naming one after Bush is fair. GHWB was a decorated naval aviator, after all, in addition to that President thing.

I also liked the fact that Carter got the sub modified for special forces work.
 
2012-11-03 05:37:52 AM
I agree about the classic names. The Royal Navy still retain some good ones, we even have an HMS Enterprise, a survey vessel.
 
2012-11-03 09:58:33 AM

ThatBillmanGuy: Comic Book Guy: [www.startrek.com image 320x240]

Our revels now are ended, Kirk.

/I am as constant as the northern star...
//I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

Looks like I know what I'm re-watching when I get home. I really wish they'd let Chang live, just so there'd be a chance he's reprise that role again.

When I worked at the Star Trek Experience, one of the Klingon actors decided to get all shakespeary and began reciting lines to an audience. One of us retail workers (Bajorans without the makeup) said "I'd give real money if he'd shut up." which drew applause from the audience, but pissed off the actor, who stormed off.

Which always had me thinking, "Dude, you're in klingon makeup. At a Star Trek theme park. Reciting Shakespear. Where the only Star Trek reference to Klingons AND Shakespeare follows up with that line. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT?!"

Actors.. pfft.


Tell me about it. The FSU grads that work at the Harry Potter ride at Universal Orlando are the same way.
 
2012-11-03 03:23:55 PM

Frothy Panties: There is a petition out there to name one of the new class (CVN-80) of carrier the Enterprise.

Too much politics in naming our carriers. I don't feel to keen on naming carriers after politicians. Stennis and Vinson? Reagan....who never saw a day of combat in his life. Really?

We need to bring back Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Constellation, Independence, etc. and keep the politicians out of it.

We need to keep an Enterprise at sea.


What do you expect? Bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe.

/We'll get a freighter.
 
2012-11-03 07:21:41 PM
We were just down at Charleston this week, and visited the Yorktown. They're still raising money to maintain the hull; we were told the USN has standards they expect the museum ships to be kept to and if they aren't, they will repossess the vessel. The hull needs to be repainted and repaired, but the Yorktown is sitting in several feet of mud and any methods to work on the hull will be expensive.
 
2012-11-03 07:29:50 PM
Cool ship names thread?

I'd still like to see a Thunderchild, a Dreadnaught and an Excalibur.

Very British, to be sure, but still quite... Intrepid sounding.

/Defiant to the last about Voyager.
 
2012-11-03 10:13:03 PM

zarberg: It's why we haven't turned a single nuclear sub into a museum, AFAIK.


I know that this has been mentioned but, The Nautilus. I served my shore duty on her a few months after she was first opened to the public at the Submarine Force Library and Museum. AFAIK the engineering spaces are still closed off to the general public but they were ready to be opened on the inside while I was there and we occasionally open it up for VIP's who already had a clearance like the SecNav and such (it's all glassed in like the compartments forward of the reactor that are open to the public are) with a little work in the exterior near the stern to add another access point that's suitable for the public. The biggest problem would be that it's only through the stern room, the upper level engine room and the reactor "Tunnel" which are all on one level so there's no way to have an even flow of people without seeing the same thing twice up forward.

Plus with the wand system that they have to guide you through it it would be a hassle to deal with keeping track of the number of visitors down below (one wand, one visitor, no exceptions is an easy system to know how many visitors are inside at any given time) as the wands would invariably be split between the two access points which would make it a safety issue in the event of a fire or flooding from someone colliding with her, as you wouldn't know right away if everyone was evacuated or not.
 
2012-11-05 06:58:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Missing a chance to make money here. I bet a lot of people would love to own a limited addition chuck of this fine boat. Just take a few thousand strips of the land deck and sell them off for a couple of hundred a unit. Use the money to fund the next one.


Really should do this with every aircraft carrier. But really should do it with the Enterprise.


While I think your idea has merit, I feel perhaps that maqybe they should cut the ship up on a limited basis and give a small piece to the Servicemen who served on her. There is a certain bond...
 
2012-11-05 07:58:59 PM

MadCat: Those names have history and meaning. Just like the names of ground troop divisions. Imagine the outrage if they tried to get rid of the 101st airborne! Ships are pieces of equipment that need to be retired and replaced as they age, but the proud names those ships wear should be preserved on a new more capable vessel.


There have been two diametrically opposed schools of thought on that subject. The Grand Army of the Republic - the massive and very politically powerful organisation of U.S. (not C.S.) veterans of the American Civil War - took the position that reusing unit designations and passing down the old unit's lineage devalued the sacrifices and accomplishments of those who had served in those units during the Civil War. Consequently, the units raised for the Spanish American War, WWI and thereafter had no ties to Civil War units. There is a nearly complete break in lineage after the Civil War, excepting only the handful of remaining National Guard regiments that continued to exist in their respective states' militias after the Civil War. The GAR's position was akin to the tradition in parts of Europe to smash glassware during significant events or after important toasts, lest the glasses ever be used again for lesser purposes.
 
2012-11-05 08:12:26 PM

phed: Total number of US Aircraft Carriers: 11 (soon to be 10) plus one in reserve and 3 under construction

Total number of Aircraft Carriers for the rest of the world combined: 11 plus 6 under construction.



Those numbers are misleading; they actually downplay the disparity.

None of the rest of the world's carriers are anywhere near the size of an American one. Rather, they are - at most - analogous to what would be considered amphibious assault ship in the U.S. Navy who have many, many such vessels.
 
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