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(Bloomberg)   If you live in a pro-choice area, you're getting a Romney ad supporting a woman's right to choose. If you live in a pro-life area, you're getting an OMG, Obama is a baby killer ad   ( bloomberg.com) divider line
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2012-11-02 08:06:17 AM  

phenn: SuperTramp: shotglasss There is no such thing as "pro-abortion," dumbass. It's MY uterus, it's MY CHOICE.

Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.


Because most people on both sides of the debate are anti-abortion.

I'm also anti-being-a-dumbass, but I don't want it made illegal.
 
2012-11-02 08:10:24 AM  

phenn: keylock71: phenn: Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.

Because it's quite possible for someone to personally be against abortion, but still believe women should be able to "choose" whether they want to have the procedure or not?

You've just described me. That would make me both pro-life and pro-choice.

Again... I find nothing wrong with just calling it what it is. A minor point, to be certain.


Why not just call it pro-uteran freedom and anti-uteran freedom?

Pro-uteran regulation or anti-uteran regulation?
 
2012-11-02 08:10:31 AM  
Well, this certainly escalated quickly.
Derpcon 4 in 50 posts.
 
2012-11-02 08:12:04 AM  

phenn: moothemagiccow: keylock71: phenn: Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.

Because it's quite possible for someone to personally be against abortion, but still believe women should be able to "choose" whether they want to have the procedure or not?

Yeah I wish people would shut up about abortion and talk about less expensive methods of birth control. Abortion isn't half as important as poverty or education.

It is stunningly important to people who want you to live by their moral code instead of your own.


Yet you don't sound like you think they're following the right code either; forgive me if I'm wrong. They just don't get that living by a moral code isn't cheap or easy, and many of these same people defied said moral code before they reached that stance. It's hard to sympathize with the young when you've been through it already and they still don't listen.

It's just about empathy and understanding. If you recognize that some things are harder than they seem, you can empathize and take the long road to high ground.

People in small towns and the country tell me otherwise. They tell me it's impolite to talk politics or sex when nothing is further than the truth. They say it's important to be polite when they'll happily discuss your flaws when you're not around, or show their prejudice if you're not the kind they're judging. How the fark did I get here? I'm gonna shut up now before I keep grouping people in an effort to better understand them and in turn understand them less.
 
2012-11-02 08:12:41 AM  
Since none of Romney's defenders are going to mention it and I am a stickler for context, one the "Romney is a moderate" ad actually comes from the Romney campaign. The other is from a PAC.
 
2012-11-02 08:12:45 AM  

phenn: Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.


Because nearly no one is actually pro-abortion. Some people admit the practical necessity and the importance of letting women control their reproductive future. Some people are ideologically opposed.
 
2012-11-02 08:14:31 AM  
I'm anti-sardines and anti-mayo but I don't want to make them illegal.
 
2012-11-02 08:16:09 AM  
 
2012-11-02 08:16:18 AM  
Karac

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people all pissed that Obama said "clinging to their guns and religion" and yet here we are
 
2012-11-02 08:17:52 AM  
CSB: There's a group of nuts that has taken to standing on a sidewalk near my office with those bloody-fetus anti-abortion signs and signs saying Obama is a baby-killer. They keep creeping closer and closer to the road each time they come out and I keep hoping eventually one of them gets clipped with a box truck mirror.

The impact would be about head-level so it certainly wouldn't hurt anything important (aside from the truck, I mean), but it would make a nice sound and be amusing in a Darwin Awards sort of way.
 
2012-11-02 08:20:26 AM  

ultraholland: people all pissed that Obama said "clinging to their guns and religion" and yet here we are


Not to defend asshattery, but that particular protester may have been lampooning that very statement.
 
2012-11-02 08:20:33 AM  

Skleenar: As part of the attack on Obama and his support for abortion rights, the ads feature a woman who says she is the survivor of a failed abortion and a nurse who says she saved aborted babies born alive.

o_O

The earliest a baby can realistically survive out of the womb is 23 weeks, or about the end of the second trimester, but that's with a really low survival rate and likely birth defects or other complication.

Most places in the US disallow abortions after the first trimester. There are a few that allow them up to 24 weeks, but those are very rare and usually limited to cases where the mother's health is in jeopardy.

So, either this woman is describing something that happened in another country, or to a mother who's life was in danger or is a vanishingly rare occurrence, cited merely for emotional effect.


You're talking about someone in an ad for a Republican. There's a decent chance that she just made the whole thing up.
 
2012-11-02 08:20:38 AM  

GameSprocket: Since none of Romney's defenders are going to mention it and I am a stickler for context, one the "Romney is a moderate" ad actually comes from the Romney campaign. The other is from a PAC.


I would care about that context if not for the fact that Mitt Romney is an absolutely unabashed liar and there's no chance in hell he doesn't support that ad anyway. You know... what with his only actual campaign platform plank being "whatever helps me get votes right this minute".

The fact that the Romney camp isn't actually running the ad is a hollow bit of context considering that it's exactly the sort of shiat he says anyway.
 
2012-11-02 08:21:12 AM  

moothemagiccow: Yet you don't sound like you think they're following the right code either; forgive me if I'm wrong.


They are, if it is for them. Where I personally get a bit miffed is when people lobby the government for laws that require me to live by the rules of their belief systems. That's not how it's supposed to work.

Sharing a thought or spiritual leaning is one thing. Forcing it on me is quite another.
 
2012-11-02 08:21:36 AM  

t3knomanser: phenn: Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.

Because nearly no one is actually pro-abortion. Some people admit the practical necessity and the importance of letting women control their reproductive future. Some people are ideologically opposed.


It's similar to gun rights. Pro-gun people don't want any restrictions and pro-abortion people don't want any restrictions. Because they know wherever you draw the line, the other side will still want more restrictions.
 
2012-11-02 08:24:51 AM  

Jackson Herring: I'm anti-sardines and anti-mayo but I don't want to make them illegal.


uhhhhhh you've clearly never had a good pizza then
 
2012-11-02 08:26:20 AM  
What happened to Fast & Furious? The Republicans have acted for a long time like it was the biggest scandal in US history but once the incident in Libya took place, they totally forgot about it. They were like a kid who got bored with a toy once a new one came along. It's almost as if they see governance as a fun game to play rather than serious business for grownups.
 
2012-11-02 08:30:57 AM  
EngineerAU: What happened to Fast & Furious?

Flavor of the week. F&F wasn't panning out so they tried capitalizing on a more current event, especially since it occurred so close to the election. I already knew that they were forcing a non-scandal, but today I heard a pretty good synopsis of the Libya events on NPR and there really is nothing to the story.
 
2012-11-02 08:31:42 AM  

GameSprocket: Since none of Romney's defenders are going to mention it and I am a stickler for context, one the "Romney is a moderate" ad actually comes from the Romney campaign. The other is from a PAC.


That says how much the candidates have lost control of their own message. PACs these days are attempting to shape a candidate's message without the candidate's approval. It is interesting to see how the "I'm with BOB" PACs are projecting their wishing onto the candidate while the "I'm against BOB" PAC's are projecting their fears onto the candidate.
 
2012-11-02 08:32:11 AM  

sprawl15: Jackson Herring: I'm anti-sardines and anti-mayo but I don't want to make them illegal.

uhhhhhh you've clearly never had a good pizza then


You put mayo on pizza? You sick fark
 
2012-11-02 08:36:12 AM  
 
2012-11-02 08:36:14 AM  
Of course.
 
2012-11-02 08:37:23 AM  
WHY DIDN'T 0BAMA SEND IN AN AC-130 INTO NEW YORK TO AVENGE THE ATTACKS BY AL-SANDY?!?!
 
2012-11-02 08:41:53 AM  

LordJiro: badhatharry: Romney pretends to be pro-life. Obama covers up terrorist attacks. Both sides are bad.

Because nobody EVER died at an embassy or consulate under a Republican president! And how is 'Calling it an act of terror shortly after the attack, and assisting the Libyan government in catching almost every member of the group involved in the attack' covering it up again?

Oh, wait, right. Obama was somehow personally supposed to, within a few hours, mobilize an air-strike and have a C-130 spray gunfire into a crowd when a good chunk of the region is already pissed at us because the Christian fundies can't help waving their cocks at the Muslim fundies.


Don't forget the carrier group that he should have sent. That would have totally stopped everything and in no way escalated matters or fueled sentiment that we love to wave our cocks around. Besides, using our Navy to help in the aftermath of a massive natural disaster here at home is teh soshulizm.
 
2012-11-02 08:44:37 AM  

shotglasss: Full disclosure: Obama has said that babies should be denied health care. Romney has never said that.


badhatharry: Romney pretends to be pro-life. Obama covers up terrorist attacks. Both sides are bad.


So vote for the party that shotglasss and badhatharry lie their asses off for.
 
2012-11-02 08:44:44 AM  

phenn: SuperTramp: shotglasss There is no such thing as "pro-abortion," dumbass. It's MY uterus, it's MY CHOICE.

Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.


Because most people aren't "pro-abortion". I personally think that abortion is a sad thing and I'd prefer that it wasn't a choice that some women have to make.

BUT I believe it should be legal and safe because it's not my body and the alternatives are worse.
 
2012-11-02 08:45:49 AM  

badhatharry: It's similar to gun rights. Pro-gun people


Not really. It's very common to be "pro-gun". Someone who is pro-gun is in in favor of guns. They're not simply against restrictions- they want to have guns, fire guns, etc. They want others to join them in that. The number of people who, by that metric, are pro-abortion is vanishingly small.
 
2012-11-02 08:45:56 AM  

amd1433: Everything you need to know about Romney's views on a woman's right to choose, right here, from the man himself.

If you have any doubts on wherer he stands, take a look.


That's an amazingly unflattering performance by Mitt. Geezus he comes across as a defensive asshat.

But he does say that he specifically supports a prohibition of abortion. (in certain cases)

/almost exactly what he said and how he said it.
 
2012-11-02 08:46:16 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: shotglasss: Full disclosure: Obama has said that babies should be denied health care. Romney has never said that.

badhatharry: Romney pretends to be pro-life. Obama covers up terrorist attacks. Both sides are bad.


Translation: "We've got absolutely no defense for Romney on this issue, so... What's that?!? Look over there!" *run away*


No, it's more like they've been lying for so long, they can't help but lie, even if the truth would better serve their purpose (even though this time it doesn't).
 
2012-11-02 08:47:41 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: [mutantpoodle.files.wordpress.com image 404x444]


I find this characterization of Romney really distasteful.

He's more the Heisenberg Candidate. And now that people have stopped paying attention to his momentum, we might finally be able to nail down what his positions on the issues are.
 
2012-11-02 08:48:47 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't know why the insincere "I did a little research" type ads annoy me more than most.


Hey, at least they had the wherewithall to study it out!
 
2012-11-02 08:49:16 AM  

moothemagiccow: badhatharry: Romney pretends to be pro-life. Obama covers up terrorist attacks. Both sides are bad.

I still don't understand who bought that "movie protest" bullshiat. And who the fark brings a rocket launcher to a protest?



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2012-11-02 08:59:31 AM  

badhatharry: Romney is pro-fun. Obama is a turbulent hate-engine.


It's so simple.
 
2012-11-02 09:00:15 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't know why the insincere "I did a little research" type ads annoy me more than most.


There's a radio ad running here about one of the propositions on the ballot; supposed to sound like 2 women discussing the issue over coffee or some such. One tells the other "it says here that this proposition will kill jobs". Says here? Where's here? You mean it says that in your script?
 
2012-11-02 09:01:49 AM  

ultraholland: EngineerAU: What happened to Fast & Furious?

Flavor of the week. F&F wasn't panning out so they tried capitalizing on a more current event, especially since it occurred so close to the election. I already knew that they were forcing a non-scandal, but today I heard a pretty good synopsis of the Libya events on NPR and there really is nothing to the story.


I wouldn't say that. There's just nothing to the story that is being pushed on us harder than Clean Coal. Unfortunately, America is REALLY BAD at learning the right lessons from current events, even when we've already learned them from past events. So we'll truck right on with the Narrative and ignore the very important and very real lessons we could apply to the region and to security of embassies and consulates around the world.
 
2012-11-02 09:04:29 AM  
People who believe that Romeny and the GOP would support a pro-choice agenda shouldn't be allowed to vote. Undecided (and most partisan) voters are willfully ignorant.
 
2012-11-02 09:10:20 AM  

propasaurus: There's a radio ad running here about one of the propositions on the ballot; supposed to sound like 2 women discussing the issue over coffee or some such. One tells the other "it says here that this proposition will kill jobs". Says here? Where's here? You mean it says that in your script?


We get the TV ad for the GOP candidate for governor that is, seriously, a bunch of old white guys sitting around a breakfast table complaining that the D candidate is gonna kill jobs.

link

Oops, my bad. Can't seem to find it on the youtubes, even though I see it as an ad on there about every other time I visit.
 
2012-11-02 09:12:12 AM  

shotglasss: LeoffDaGrate: shotglasss: Full disclosure: Obama has said that babies should be denied health care. Romney has never said that.

badhatharry: Romney pretends to be pro-life. Obama covers up terrorist attacks. Both sides are bad.


Translation: "We've got absolutely no defense for Romney on this issue, so... What's that?!? Look over there!" *run away*

That's also known as the Bhangazi defense.

And I still don't get why being for abortion is called prochoice. I have yet to see a fetus choose to sign a doctor's release allowing the kid to be killed and vacuumed out of it's house.


because fetus =/= person, that's why.
 
2012-11-02 09:12:25 AM  
In Colorado, we get both ads, heavy rotation. Sometimes it kind of sucks to live in a swing state.
 
2012-11-02 09:12:44 AM  

ultraholland: Karac

people all pissed that Obama said "clinging to their guns and religion" and yet here we are


Look at how thick that doughy dude's glasses are. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but there he is wandering around with a big penis substitute strapped to his back.
 
2012-11-02 09:12:46 AM  

amd1433: Everything you need to know about Romney's views on a woman's right to choose, right here, from the man himself.

If you have any doubts on wherer he stands, take a look.


Any coincidence that Mitt keeps saber rattling about Iran and wanting to move lockstep with Netanyahu and also believes that the second coming of Jesus is happening soon during a time where there is a mass slaughter of Jews?
 
2012-11-02 09:21:37 AM  
I live in VA and got a Romney pamphlet in the mail yesterday that said "I am a Pro-life person, and I will be a Pro-life president." Was shocked, since that's not what he said a week ago in the debate... jack@ass
 
2012-11-02 09:22:14 AM  

keylock71: phenn: Just call it pro or anti abortion. That is the subject at hand. I don't understand why people cringe at those terms.

Because it's quite possible for someone to personally be against abortion, but still believe women should be able to "choose" whether they want to have the procedure or not?


Well said!
 
2012-11-02 09:34:32 AM  
BeesNuts: I wouldn't say that. There's just nothing to the story that is being pushed on us harder than Clean Coal. Unfortunately, America is REALLY BAD at learning the right lessons from current events, even when we've already learned them from past events. So we'll truck right on with the Narrative and ignore the very important and very real lessons we could apply to the region and to security of embassies and consulates around the world.

I should have clarified that there is much to learn from this but there's nothing to the scandal angle on this one.
 
2012-11-02 09:43:00 AM  
Mittvertizing!
 
2012-11-02 09:53:52 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't know why the insincere "I did a little research" type ads annoy me more than most.


Because they're incredibly insulting. They assume that you identify with the wholesome, clean-cut concerned morans-next-door they always show. They're the political equivalent of those informercials that assume you can't open a tin can without a trip to the ER.
 
2012-11-02 09:56:06 AM  
Romney is whatever you want him to be for now.
 
2012-11-02 09:57:27 AM  

shotglasss:
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Full disclosure: Obama has said that babies should be denied health care. Romney has never said that.
imageshack.us

 
2012-11-02 10:07:24 AM  
Not the ad I thought they were talking about. I'm in western PA and we're getting the deranged Randall Terry anti-Muslim/anti-Obama ads complete with corpse-gore. Real corpses, I should add. Saw that tasty little number at 11pm on the dot last night.

Man is still pissed off they wouldn't let him show aborted fetuses during the Super Bowl, so now he's shiatting things up for people this way.
 
2012-11-02 10:12:06 AM  
Hey, this is just Colonel Panders doing what he does best! Sit back and be amazed.
 
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