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(Wired)   Someday, criminal organizations will have their own armies made of kidnapped communication engineers and held as slaves, rigging shadowy, encrypted, secret telecommunications networks. Once again, the Zeta drug cartel shows us the future   (wired.com ) divider line
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2012-11-02 12:39:49 PM  

liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.


I didn't say I disagree with you.
Let's call in a few Predator strikes.
 
2012-11-02 12:40:01 PM  
that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Exactly, end the Zeta's reasons to exist in the first place. Cut their funding, when they have no more cash flow due to the rest of the world buying their drugs legally, they wont have the money for private radio/cell networks. Or the hundreds of other crazy things they do.
 
2012-11-02 12:40:12 PM  

liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
2012-11-02 12:40:27 PM  

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


while that may be true their profits from marijuana dwarf the other drugs. The reason is simple. There is a HUGE market in the US for marijuana, not so much for the other drugs you mentioned. The number of "hard drug" users is basically a static percentage of the US population. It isn't a huge market like marijuana. So if you legalize weed in the US you instantly chop these guys at the knees. Sure they will fight over the meth, coke ,heroin users but the market is much much smaller, police would be able to greater direct their efforts at those drugs and it would surely put many of them out of business or simply nerf their influence.

Just like the Mafia made huge profits with prohibition, they lost a HUGE revenue pipeline, they lost a ton of influence as well.

Right now they have a HUGE pie, we can take a lot of that pie away by making them obsolete. win win.
 
2012-11-02 12:43:41 PM  
Yeah but I guess governments are powerless to stop them, it's not like it would stop overnight by just legalizing drugs...oh the sheer complexity of it all!
 
2012-11-02 12:51:28 PM  
You know who enslaved political engineers. You can't even see his discomfort.

i325.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-02 12:51:33 PM  

cgraves67: Loki009: cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.

And the US has the NSA, dedicated to foreign cryptoanalysis and SigInt. I can guess who is better at it.


Yes, Becasue properly configured encryption is so easy for the government to do, this is why they get their panties in a bunch about classifying encryption as a munition and attempting to control its export. I am sure the NSA has the resources available to commit to breaking this traffic.
 
2012-11-02 12:51:50 PM  
55 posts in and no Mexican Radio joke? For shame.
 
2012-11-02 12:54:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.

Oh, and as for what I said above being near to what was said in "Clear and Present Danger"? Haven't read the book, and it's been a long time since I saw the movie. But we need Harrison Ford to kick their asses.
 
2012-11-02 12:55:43 PM  
"I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
And the touch of a world that is older
I turn the switch and check the number
I leave it on when in bed I slumber
I hear the rhythms of the music
I buy the product and never use it
I hear the talking of the DJ
Can't understand just what does he say?"

Your wish, my command.
 
2012-11-02 01:07:16 PM  

SnyderCat: "I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
And the touch of a world that is older
I turn the switch and check the number
I leave it on when in bed I slumber
I hear the rhythms of the music
I buy the product and never use it
I hear the talking of the DJ
Can't understand just what does he say?"

Your wish, my command.


Thank You!

/Bet those engineers wish they were in Tijuana, eatin' barbecued iguana.
//Guess they're on a wavelength far from home.
 
2012-11-02 01:08:57 PM  
A friend of mine frequents Rentacoder and Vworker and even claims he once paid with rice.
 
2012-11-02 01:09:35 PM  

whosits_112: StoPPeRmobile: liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.

Oh, and as for what I said above being near to what was said in "Clear and Present Danger"? Haven't read the book, and it's been a long time since I saw the movie. But we need Harrison Ford to kick their asses.


They originally were, hell most of their leadership was trained by us down in Fort Bragg. But a lot of those guys are gone, and the people who replaced them are not ex-military, just farking psychopaths.
 
2012-11-02 01:11:35 PM  

ShamanGator: that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Exactly, end the Zeta's reasons to exist in the first place. Cut their funding, when they have no more cash flow due to the rest of the world buying their drugs legally, they wont have the money for private radio/cell networks. Or the hundreds of other crazy things they do.


Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs.
 
2012-11-02 01:15:22 PM  
Just legalize pot for Heaven's sake already.

As for the other drugs, decriminalize them. That is, make it just illegal enough that heroin and cocaine aren't sold in grocery stores and impose a fine (~$100) for anybody dumb enough to flaunt their hard drugs in front of a cop. However, make maintenance doses available for addicts by prescription at market cost.

As for all other non-violent, consensual-type vices out there like prostitution and gambling, legalize them, regulate them, and put them in red-light districts far from schools and churches.

By legalizing or decriminalizing all consensual-type vices out there, you'll knock out about 90% of revenue to organized criminals. Those are the hardest vices to fight since there's no victim involved who's going to run to the police. Sure, the organized criminals can try to make a living off of things like extortion or contract killings, but since actual violence and victims are involved, they're a lot easier to fight, IMHO. Besides, it's hard to buy weapons when the billions you make off of illegal drugs simply vanishes into thin air.

Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon...
 
2012-11-02 01:16:11 PM  

spentmiles: I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.


I agree. Until I can find a job, keep those benefits rolling!

/thanks, mr. taxpayer
 
2012-11-02 01:16:38 PM  
Listen, I want weed to be legal. I don't use it, but stoners are probably the most harmless people on the planet and do less damage than drunks.

That being said, the whole "MEXICO IS A SHIATHOLE BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE AMERICAN DRUG POLICY!!!" mindset is crap. Mexico is a shiathole because Mexico is a shiathole. At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable. Cops need to stop taking bribes. People have to start giving a shiat about the condition of their communities. Otherwise, this will continue regardless of whether or not MJ is a banned substance. Canadians smuggle weed across the border all the time and Vancouver isn't a war zone. Why? Because Canadians have a national sense of decorum and shame, and Canadian families don't need bribery money from cartels to keep their children from starving.
 
2012-11-02 01:17:01 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs


It will take more than one step to get the beer out of the fridge, so I am nto going to take that first step.

See hwo dumb that sounds? Nobody is saying that will be some magic bullet and the Zeta's will disappear overnight. But cutting their funding will hurt them.
 
2012-11-02 01:27:58 PM  
Well when one of your competition (Sinoala's) is being backed by the US Government you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
2012-11-02 01:29:12 PM  
I think the bar was raised when they started holding Colosseum thunderdome fight-to-the-death events with impromptu busloads of their kidnapped.
 
2012-11-02 01:32:22 PM  

Marine1: At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable.


Kinda hard when the alternative may be certain death for you and your loved ones.
 
2012-11-02 01:33:51 PM  

whosits_112:
Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.
.


Yes, they are pretty much the mafia from my grandfathers time. See that mafia used military grade weapon like sub machine guns and what not to gun down their opposition, on the streets, in broad day light. Banning, or least making them harder to acquire, 'gangster' weapons was pretty much the whole point of the National Firearms Act of 1934. If you don't think prohibition gave such sudden rise to violent and wealthy criminals that were willing to use military style weapons and tactics against rivals, citizens and police, you are a fool. If Capone had RPGs available to him in 1934, you can bet your ass he would have used them instead of Thompson sub-machine guns.

Yes the Zetas are scary, yes they are using modern weapons, but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past. They simply have better tools available to them. 

Perhaps if we take away their drug money, they'll create a gambling paradise in the desert. Its just silly enough it might work!
 
2012-11-02 01:35:22 PM  

tomcatadam: Marine1: At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable.

Kinda hard when the alternative may be certain death for you and your loved ones.


This problem goes away when the cops aren't corrupt.
 
2012-11-02 01:35:34 PM  

kindms: fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.

while that may be true their profits from marijuana dwarf the other drugs. The reason is simple. There is a HUGE market in the US for marijuana, not so much for the other drugs you mentioned. The number of "hard drug" users is basically a static percentage of the US population. It isn't a huge market like marijuana. So if you legalize weed in the US you instantly chop these guys at the knees. Sure they will fight over the meth, coke ,heroin users but the market is much much smaller, police would be able to greater direct their efforts at those drugs and it would surely put many of them out of business or simply nerf their influence.

Just like the Mafia made huge profits with prohibition, they lost a HUGE revenue pipeline, they lost a ton of influence as well.

Right now they have a HUGE pie, we can take a lot of that pie away by making them obsolete. win win.


I think this is a good point. I am not sure that the US can legalize *all* drugs; to me it seems immoral for them to just throw their hands up and say 'ok do what you like'. We would have to have some regulations and a lot more help for addicts and research into how to treat addiction.

I don't think it is as simple as legalizing all drugs and every problem goes away. I think legalizing some drugs could help. Legalizing prostitution doesn't prevent all human trafficking.

If cartels can't make money selling drugs, will they find another way? Can we fight them directly and maybe, maybe fix the greater problems of poverty and corruption that might cause people to become criminals? meh?
 
2012-11-02 01:38:56 PM  

Marine1: tomcatadam: Marine1: At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable.

Kinda hard when the alternative may be certain death for you and your loved ones.

This problem goes away when the cops aren't corrupt.


Where are the police not corrupt that has a war on drugs?
 
2012-11-02 01:39:29 PM  

Marine1: This problem goes away when the cops aren't corrupt.


You can't get rid of corrupt cops if the majority are corrupt.

Well, you can, but that requires politicians that aren't so corrupt.

wingnut396: , but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past


The continued use of Thunderdome with their prisoners is pretty darn evil.
 
2012-11-02 01:44:54 PM  
It's estimated marijuana legalization in the US would cut 25% of the cartel's profits. Just saying.
 
2012-11-02 01:45:44 PM  

tomcatadam:

The continued use of Thunderdome with their prisoners is pretty darn evil.


Sure, that 'pretty darn' evil, Not totally evil.

See, at least in Thunderdome, one man was able leave. Totally not totally evil.

//who runs BorderTown?
 
2012-11-02 01:48:45 PM  

Need_MindBleach: It's estimated marijuana legalization in the US would cut 25% of the cartel's profits. Just saying.


Yep.
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-02 01:48:57 PM  

tomcatadam: I think the bar was raised when they started holding Colosseum thunderdome fight-to-the-death events with impromptu busloads of their kidnapped.


Wait, what?
 
2012-11-02 01:49:37 PM  
Zeta Dipsticks

The DOD's JASONS have seen the future. It scared them. They labeled it Mankind 2.0

Transhumanist genetically manipulated super soldiers.

The only way to stay even let alone dominate the battle space is to create our own monsters.
 
2012-11-02 01:51:34 PM  

machoprogrammer: Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already


Great, then we can have all the legal and health problems that are already associated with cigarettes and alcohol. Only worse because drugs like cocaine and meth aren't remotely in the same chemical league.

Legalization won't make "drug problems" suddenly go away. It will hamper the cartels some, but they're not the only issue out there (and will move on to other illegal trades anyway.)
 
2012-11-02 01:51:41 PM  

Psycat: Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon


Like diet Dr. Pepper has got any legs.
 
2012-11-02 02:03:27 PM  

liam76: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs

It will take more than one step to get the beer out of the fridge, so I am nto going to take that first step.

See hwo dumb that sounds? Nobody is saying that will be some magic bullet and the Zeta's will disappear overnight. But cutting their funding will hurt them.


Las Vegas II?
 
2012-11-02 02:04:59 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: liam76: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs

It will take more than one step to get the beer out of the fridge, so I am nto going to take that first step.

See hwo dumb that sounds? Nobody is saying that will be some magic bullet and the Zeta's will disappear overnight. But cutting their funding will hurt them.

Las Vegas II?


Not a bad thing.
 
2012-11-02 02:05:42 PM  
Say what you will, my Zeta phone has unlimited data and 4Z coverage everywhere. The downside is that if you fail to make a payment, they cut off your head and dump your body in the desert.
 
2012-11-02 02:06:42 PM  

cuzsis: machoprogrammer: Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Great, then we can have all the legal and health problems that are already associated with cigarettes and alcohol. Only worse because drugs like cocaine and meth aren't remotely in the same chemical league.

Legalization won't make "drug problems" suddenly go away. It will hamper the cartels some, but they're not the only issue out there (and will move on to other illegal trades anyway.)


IDK man it seems like you're saying we don't already have the legal and health problems with all other drugs just because they're illegal. As we have seen in the past with various substances being legalized, there will be a spike in usage initially after it is legalized with a decrease in use to around the level that it was before.

I try to look at it like this, do we want people to be able to put whatever they want in their own bodies? If not are we willing to accept that we will at best be able to limit slightly the amount of people consuming the substances we deem "bad". It's pretty obvious that prohibition just doesn't work, we've been fighting the drug war for around 60 years now to what end? Drugs are cheaper, more widely available and more pure/potent than when the drug war started. Anyone who wants the drugs, can get them if they try hard enough. I don't like the idea of crystal meth being sold in a store, but people are going to buy it either way. At least under a legalization framework we can have a more open and honest discussion about drugs, as opposed to ALL DRUGS ARE THE DEVIL which seems to be the govts. stance. I think that the only nation who has seriously tried an alternative approach is Portugal who decriminalized ALL drugs. They have seen use go down as well as crime and drug related health problems have actually lessened.

/tl; dr: legalize (or at least decriminalize) ALL THE DRUGS
 
2012-11-02 02:19:00 PM  
i1172.photobucket.com
i believe in the future as envisioned by these aztec lords. i think we should have unrestricted immigration to help bring this noble way of life into our nation.
 
2012-11-02 02:22:18 PM  

Orgasmatron138: The only incentive to end the drug war is to take a morally correct action. So, of course, it will never happen.


No, sadly. There's no way the douchebags who are involved with drugs will ever stop using them.
 
2012-11-02 02:24:47 PM  
what if we had the CIA infiltrate the cartels and have them lace the drugs with rat poison? then the drug users would kill themselves off.
 
2012-11-02 02:25:31 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 400x362]
i believe in the future as envisioned by these aztec lords. i think we should have unrestricted immigration to help bring this noble way of life into our nation.


Drone stikes are the only true path to appeasing the gods.
 
2012-11-02 02:34:17 PM  

cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right


I love how when someone makes a statement about useless, ineffective, pointless, waste-of-time-and-money programs, you immediately assume they are attacking Republicans.
 
2012-11-02 02:34:52 PM  

biyaaatci: machoprogrammer:

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs. put on a show about fixing an imaginary problem and exploiting society's prejudices while wasting tons of taxpayer dollars.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

FTFY


Yeah, for folks that supposedly want small government this expands government and costs $ to test these people. Probably pushed by the companies that will profit from selling the government drug tests.
 
2012-11-02 02:37:44 PM  

wingnut396:

Yes the Zetas are scary, yes they are using modern weapons, but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past. They simply have better tools available to them. 



Yes they are.
 
2012-11-02 02:40:43 PM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


While drug testing welfare won't bring down an entire drug cartel, you know as well as I do it's to prevent "poor people" from gettin free government money. Of they can somehow scroung up money for these drugs(or use the government welfare to buy then) then they don't deserve the welfare they recieve. Plus welfare should be an assistance to recover back onto your own. Not a damn lifestyle. Id go the same route as to prevent these guys fr buying ciggs and lobster on a semi regular basis with it. But hey! Attacking the government for testing welfare recipients on the wrong basis seems to work for you.
 
2012-11-02 02:44:37 PM  

Craps the Gorilla: While drug testing welfare won't bring down an entire drug cartel, you know as well as I do it's to prevent "poor people" from gettin free government money. Of they can somehow scroung up money for these drugs(or use the government welfare to buy then) then they don't deserve the welfare they recieve. Plus welfare should be an assistance to recover back onto your own. Not a damn lifestyle. Id go the same route as to prevent these guys fr buying ciggs and lobster on a semi regular basis with it. But hey! Attacking the government for testing welfare recipients on the wrong basis seems to work for you.


Ummm... I'm not sure how to ask this discretely, but are you on drugs?
 
2012-11-02 02:48:59 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: spentmiles: I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.

I agree. Until I can find a job, keep those benefits rolling!

/thanks, mr. taxpayer


ahh

good to see that all my bosses rantings aren't completely without merit
 
2012-11-02 02:56:24 PM  

Marine1: Listen, I want weed to be legal. I don't use it, but stoners are probably the most harmless people on the planet and do less damage than drunks.

That being said, the whole "MEXICO IS A SHIATHOLE BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE AMERICAN DRUG POLICY!!!" mindset is crap. Mexico is a shiathole because Mexico is a shiathole. At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable. Cops need to stop taking bribes. People have to start giving a shiat about the condition of their communities. Otherwise, this will continue regardless of whether or not MJ is a banned substance. Canadians smuggle weed across the border all the time and Vancouver isn't a war zone. Why? Because Canadians have a national sense of decorum and shame, and Canadian families don't need bribery money from cartels to keep their children from starving.


Refuse to be a drug mule or to take a bribe and you or a family member will wind up headless in a ditch. I watched a documentary a while back on a mexican town where the only officials left alive were the ones who took the money. The ones who refused the bribe were all murdered.

/refuse the cartels demands and they will leave you alone. Its that simple!
 
2012-11-02 03:06:38 PM  
time to call the law...

www.scifinow.co.uk
 
2012-11-02 03:15:29 PM  

Psycat: Just legalize pot for Heaven's sake already.

As for the other drugs, decriminalize them. That is, make it just illegal enough that heroin and cocaine aren't sold in grocery stores and impose a fine (~$100) for anybody dumb enough to flaunt their hard drugs in front of a cop. However, make maintenance doses available for addicts by prescription at market cost.

As for all other non-violent, consensual-type vices out there like prostitution and gambling, legalize them, regulate them, and put them in red-light districts far from schools and churches.

By legalizing or decriminalizing all consensual-type vices out there, you'll knock out about 90% of revenue to organized criminals. Those are the hardest vices to fight since there's no victim involved who's going to run to the police. Sure, the organized criminals can try to make a living off of things like extortion or contract killings, but since actual violence and victims are involved, they're a lot easier to fight, IMHO. Besides, it's hard to buy weapons when the billions you make off of illegal drugs simply vanishes into thin air.

Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon...


My humble opinion: legalize MJ, users for all other substances are sent to a Portugal style treatment centers that include psychologists, social workers, therapists, etc and help them get off the drugs.
 
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