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(Wired)   Someday, criminal organizations will have their own armies made of kidnapped communication engineers and held as slaves, rigging shadowy, encrypted, secret telecommunications networks. Once again, the Zeta drug cartel shows us the future   (wired.com) divider line 135
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2012-11-02 10:03:15 AM  
Is there no act of inhumanity that the Zetas will not commit in their pursuit of profit?
 
2012-11-02 10:49:45 AM  
I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!
 
2012-11-02 11:26:50 AM  

Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!


In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right
 
2012-11-02 11:34:06 AM  

cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right


Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).
 
2012-11-02 11:42:42 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

man am i glad i played this a ton, as it seems i am totally ready for this brave new world of ours
 
2012-11-02 11:42:48 AM  
Well that sucks that they're enslaving the engineers. The poor engineers deserve to be paid for that work.
 
2012-11-02 11:42:57 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already
 
2012-11-02 11:42:59 AM  
The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.
 
2012-11-02 11:43:54 AM  
Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.
 
2012-11-02 11:46:03 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

Least, that's my understanding of the whole deal.
 
2012-11-02 11:46:17 AM  
Well, let's see..... government agencies like the DEA aren't wild about giving up funding, for-profit prisons aren't wild about giving up profits....

The only incentive to end the drug war is to take a morally correct action. So, of course, it will never happen.
 
2012-11-02 11:48:01 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


And you know how you can perpetuate the war on drugs forever? Keep voting for democrats or republicans.

Vote communist, vote constitution, vote libertarian, vote green, vote pirate or guns and dope or raving monster looney, but ffs do NOT vote for D or R. The drug war and its corruption at every level of government is destroying this country and both corporate parties are fiddling while rome burns.
 
2012-11-02 11:48:19 AM  

JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.


It's also a great way to spend more taxpayer money on testing than is saved by taking those using drugs off the welfare rolls. Also never figured into the calculation is what do these addicts do when their welfare is cut off? My bet is on something that is of an even greater cost to society.

As far as the article goes, this is why I hate most countries requiring visitors to write down their profession on just about every customs form. Heck, in Tanzania I had to write down engineer next to my name half a dozen times while climbing Kilimanjaro. You'd think above 5000 meters it wouldn't matter any more.
 
2012-11-02 11:49:27 AM  

SweetSaws: Well that sucks that they're enslaving the engineers. The poor engineers deserve to be paid for that work.


Unless they work at Apple. Then it's pretty much the same thing.
 
2012-11-02 11:49:52 AM  

machoprogrammer:

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already


And while we're kicking poor people off welfare, the drug cartels are happily moving more product than ever into the country. yeah...GREAT use of our resources!

f*cking clueless is what we are.
 
2012-11-02 11:50:28 AM  

machoprogrammer:

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs. put on a show about fixing an imaginary problem and exploiting society's prejudices while wasting tons of taxpayer dollars.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already


FTFY
 
2012-11-02 11:52:19 AM  
That sounds like something you'd hear in the first act of an episode of Burn Notice...

/Act 4 is 10 minutes of nonstop explosions and wind blowing in Gabrielle Anwar's hair no matter which direction she faces
 
2012-11-02 11:52:44 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Vote communist, vote constitution, vote libertarian, vote green, vote pirate or guns and dope or raving monster looney, but ffs do NOT vote for D or R. The drug war and its corruption at every level of government is destroying this country and both corporate parties are fiddling while rome burns.


Just because D and R are bad choices doesn't magically make any other your other listed choices better. Heck the Libertarians who are suppose to be the leading edge of drug legalization keeps dropping their panties each time a Republican tenth place runner up gives them a wink and a smile. Saying that the other choices are automatically better is like saying that the Bible must be correct about the creation of the universe because atheists don't have their own explanation.
 
2012-11-02 11:52:53 AM  

Cythraul: I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

Least, that's my understanding of the whole deal.


If drugs weren't illegal, this would be irrelevant. We should also have cops show up at the houses of people on welfare, to make sure they aren't wasting their money on alcohol. Oh wait, alcohol is legal, so nobody particularly cares.

His point was not very direct, but certainly valid. If it were about the welfare, they would enact stricter regulations regarding what welfare money can actually be spent to acquire. It's not -- it's about funneling money to wealthy donors that operate drug testing companies punishing them for being so damn poor and enforcing drug restrictions that are increasingly irrelevant.
 
2012-11-02 11:54:38 AM  

Teiritzamna: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

man am i glad i played this a ton, as it seems i am totally ready for this brave new world of ours


assets.diylol.com
 
2012-11-02 11:55:07 AM  
It's also the future of free internet usage if the corporate interests behind SOPA and PIPA get their way. Then the only way you would find content online would be through authorized channels, citizen.
 
2012-11-02 11:55:24 AM  
I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.
 
2012-11-02 11:55:49 AM  

cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right


ohsnap.jpg
 
2012-11-02 11:57:41 AM  

dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.


Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.
 
2012-11-02 11:58:23 AM  
I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.
 
2012-11-02 11:58:31 AM  

Elandriel: Cythraul: I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

Least, that's my understanding of the whole deal.

If drugs weren't illegal, this would be irrelevant. We should also have cops show up at the houses of people on welfare, to make sure they aren't wasting their money on alcohol. Oh wait, alcohol is legal, so nobody particularly cares.

His point was not very direct, but certainly valid. If it were about the welfare, they would enact stricter regulations regarding what welfare money can actually be spent to acquire. It's not -- it's about funneling money to wealthy donors that operate drug testing companies punishing them for being so damn poor and enforcing drug restrictions that are increasingly irrelevant.


I agree it's more of a 'meta-issue,' but I doubt that most conservatives who argue for their perceived need for drug testing welfare applicants and the greater 'war on drugs' as connected. If drugs were decriminalized, the whole issue would be pointless.

I find it rather ironic that we supposedly live in a free society, but we do not have the right to put into our own bodies whatever substances we choose. It's a moral argument to keep fighting the war on drugs, just as it was a moral argument to enact prohibition.
 
2012-11-02 11:58:46 AM  
Well if we had won the war on poverty people wouldnt need to sell drugs to support themselves, or something like that
 
2012-11-02 12:00:02 PM  

cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.


Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.
 
2012-11-02 12:00:05 PM  
Couldn't they have just hired some contractors on elance.com? It seems that it would be cheaper than kidnapping them.
 
2012-11-02 12:01:31 PM  

garkola: Couldn't they have just hired some contractors on elance.com? It seems that it would be cheaper than kidnapping them.


How would that be cheaper? Isn't slave labor pretty cheap?
 
2012-11-02 12:03:09 PM  

garkola: Couldn't they have just hired some contractors on elance.com? It seems that it would be cheaper than kidnapping them.


Yeah, but your rating tanks once the ones you hire are never heard from again because you killed them. Something about tying up loose ends that doesn't play nice with online ratings systems.
 
2012-11-02 12:03:42 PM  
At least we are learning from the pros....
 
2012-11-02 12:07:28 PM  

Loki009: cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.


And the US has the NSA, dedicated to foreign cryptoanalysis and SigInt. I can guess who is better at it.
 
2012-11-02 12:07:57 PM  
Well there is only one way to end this drug war. Invade all of Central and South America.
 
2012-11-02 12:08:09 PM  
How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.
 
2012-11-02 12:09:34 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Well there is only one way to end this drug war. Invade all of Central and South America.


How very Hamilton of you.
 
2012-11-02 12:12:56 PM  

Cythraul: Slaves2Darkness: Well there is only one way to end this drug war. Invade all of Central and South America.

How very Hamilton of you.


Well we could nuke them, but the UN gets there panties in a bunch when you do that.
 
2012-11-02 12:14:35 PM  
It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.
 
2012-11-02 12:16:21 PM  

whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.


That is basically the plot to "Clear and Present Danger".
 
2012-11-02 12:16:49 PM  

Teiritzamna: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

man am i glad i played this a ton, as it seems i am totally ready for this brave new world of ours


omg!!!

i wore out my playstation playing syndicate wars

one of the best games ever - wish there was a modern version, would probably still play the original

loved when your guys would say "minigun" when you selected it... just sounded extra badass
 
2012-11-02 12:18:37 PM  
They have to fight EBGOC somehow.
 
2012-11-02 12:19:17 PM  

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


Then decriminalize all currently illegal drugs. Problem solved! What else could the cartels and mafia go into? Smuggling bath salts?
 
2012-11-02 12:19:29 PM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


There are too many greedy and power-hungry individuals in government, law enforcement and the corporations who supply them who's whole reason to exist totally depends upon the war on drugs. And since the politicians are beholden to them, it will never stop.

That, and the thoroughly stupid, empty-headed and totally moronic voters who continue to be blindly elect politicians to support their efforts to prevent decriminalization of the drugs in the first place.
 
2012-11-02 12:22:54 PM  

stuffy: How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.


That's certainly a less depressing theory than what is almost certainly actually happening, which is that these engineers and technicians are being forced to build these systems at gunpoint and then being dumped in a shallow grave somewhere once they're done.
 
2012-11-02 12:23:38 PM  

Cythraul: It's a moral argument to keep fighting the war on drugs, just as it was a moral argument to enact prohibition.


You say that like this isn't prohibition again. Even gave rise to large-scale organized crime again.

The cars are less classy though. Fewer sharp fedoras.
 
2012-11-02 12:29:21 PM  

dothemath: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

That is basically the plot to "Clear and Present Danger".


That is basically the speech the President gave in "Clear and Present Danger."
 
2012-11-02 12:33:21 PM  

Mitrovarr: stuffy: How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.

That's certainly a less depressing theory than what is almost certainly actually happening, which is that these engineers and technicians are being forced to build these systems at gunpoint and then being dumped in a shallow grave somewhere once they're done.


I'm sure many of those kidnapped techs are part of the headless body dumps that happen regularly in Mexico.

The cartel's aren't stupid. When you get someone to build you something secret, kiiling the architect is the only way to ensure it stays secret.
 
2012-11-02 12:34:01 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Cythraul: Slaves2Darkness: Well there is only one way to end this drug war. Invade all of Central and South America.

How very Hamilton of you.

Well we could nuke them, but the UN gets there panties in a bunch when you do that.


They don't wear panties at the UN.....or here either...
 
2012-11-02 12:34:50 PM  

Teiritzamna: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

man am i glad i played this a ton, as it seems i am totally ready for this brave new world of ours


I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

They rebooted Syndicate.
 
2012-11-02 12:35:53 PM  

whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.


Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.
 
2012-11-02 12:39:49 PM  

liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.


I didn't say I disagree with you.
Let's call in a few Predator strikes.
 
2012-11-02 12:40:01 PM  
that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Exactly, end the Zeta's reasons to exist in the first place. Cut their funding, when they have no more cash flow due to the rest of the world buying their drugs legally, they wont have the money for private radio/cell networks. Or the hundreds of other crazy things they do.
 
2012-11-02 12:40:12 PM  

liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
2012-11-02 12:40:27 PM  

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


while that may be true their profits from marijuana dwarf the other drugs. The reason is simple. There is a HUGE market in the US for marijuana, not so much for the other drugs you mentioned. The number of "hard drug" users is basically a static percentage of the US population. It isn't a huge market like marijuana. So if you legalize weed in the US you instantly chop these guys at the knees. Sure they will fight over the meth, coke ,heroin users but the market is much much smaller, police would be able to greater direct their efforts at those drugs and it would surely put many of them out of business or simply nerf their influence.

Just like the Mafia made huge profits with prohibition, they lost a HUGE revenue pipeline, they lost a ton of influence as well.

Right now they have a HUGE pie, we can take a lot of that pie away by making them obsolete. win win.
 
2012-11-02 12:43:41 PM  
Yeah but I guess governments are powerless to stop them, it's not like it would stop overnight by just legalizing drugs...oh the sheer complexity of it all!
 
2012-11-02 12:51:28 PM  
You know who enslaved political engineers. You can't even see his discomfort.

i325.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-02 12:51:33 PM  

cgraves67: Loki009: cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.

And the US has the NSA, dedicated to foreign cryptoanalysis and SigInt. I can guess who is better at it.


Yes, Becasue properly configured encryption is so easy for the government to do, this is why they get their panties in a bunch about classifying encryption as a munition and attempting to control its export. I am sure the NSA has the resources available to commit to breaking this traffic.
 
2012-11-02 12:51:50 PM  
55 posts in and no Mexican Radio joke? For shame.
 
2012-11-02 12:54:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

Fair enough, but how about we try it before we start another war.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.

Oh, and as for what I said above being near to what was said in "Clear and Present Danger"? Haven't read the book, and it's been a long time since I saw the movie. But we need Harrison Ford to kick their asses.
 
2012-11-02 12:55:43 PM  
"I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
And the touch of a world that is older
I turn the switch and check the number
I leave it on when in bed I slumber
I hear the rhythms of the music
I buy the product and never use it
I hear the talking of the DJ
Can't understand just what does he say?"

Your wish, my command.
 
2012-11-02 01:07:16 PM  

SnyderCat: "I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
And the touch of a world that is older
I turn the switch and check the number
I leave it on when in bed I slumber
I hear the rhythms of the music
I buy the product and never use it
I hear the talking of the DJ
Can't understand just what does he say?"

Your wish, my command.


Thank You!

/Bet those engineers wish they were in Tijuana, eatin' barbecued iguana.
//Guess they're on a wavelength far from home.
 
2012-11-02 01:08:57 PM  
A friend of mine frequents Rentacoder and Vworker and even claims he once paid with rice.
 
2012-11-02 01:09:35 PM  

whosits_112: StoPPeRmobile: liam76: whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.
They are trying to dismantle the government.

Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.

Oh, and as for what I said above being near to what was said in "Clear and Present Danger"? Haven't read the book, and it's been a long time since I saw the movie. But we need Harrison Ford to kick their asses.


They originally were, hell most of their leadership was trained by us down in Fort Bragg. But a lot of those guys are gone, and the people who replaced them are not ex-military, just farking psychopaths.
 
2012-11-02 01:11:35 PM  

ShamanGator: that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Exactly, end the Zeta's reasons to exist in the first place. Cut their funding, when they have no more cash flow due to the rest of the world buying their drugs legally, they wont have the money for private radio/cell networks. Or the hundreds of other crazy things they do.


Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs.
 
2012-11-02 01:15:22 PM  
Just legalize pot for Heaven's sake already.

As for the other drugs, decriminalize them. That is, make it just illegal enough that heroin and cocaine aren't sold in grocery stores and impose a fine (~$100) for anybody dumb enough to flaunt their hard drugs in front of a cop. However, make maintenance doses available for addicts by prescription at market cost.

As for all other non-violent, consensual-type vices out there like prostitution and gambling, legalize them, regulate them, and put them in red-light districts far from schools and churches.

By legalizing or decriminalizing all consensual-type vices out there, you'll knock out about 90% of revenue to organized criminals. Those are the hardest vices to fight since there's no victim involved who's going to run to the police. Sure, the organized criminals can try to make a living off of things like extortion or contract killings, but since actual violence and victims are involved, they're a lot easier to fight, IMHO. Besides, it's hard to buy weapons when the billions you make off of illegal drugs simply vanishes into thin air.

Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon...
 
2012-11-02 01:16:11 PM  

spentmiles: I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.


I agree. Until I can find a job, keep those benefits rolling!

/thanks, mr. taxpayer
 
2012-11-02 01:16:38 PM  
Listen, I want weed to be legal. I don't use it, but stoners are probably the most harmless people on the planet and do less damage than drunks.

That being said, the whole "MEXICO IS A SHIATHOLE BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE AMERICAN DRUG POLICY!!!" mindset is crap. Mexico is a shiathole because Mexico is a shiathole. At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable. Cops need to stop taking bribes. People have to start giving a shiat about the condition of their communities. Otherwise, this will continue regardless of whether or not MJ is a banned substance. Canadians smuggle weed across the border all the time and Vancouver isn't a war zone. Why? Because Canadians have a national sense of decorum and shame, and Canadian families don't need bribery money from cartels to keep their children from starving.
 
2012-11-02 01:17:01 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs


It will take more than one step to get the beer out of the fridge, so I am nto going to take that first step.

See hwo dumb that sounds? Nobody is saying that will be some magic bullet and the Zeta's will disappear overnight. But cutting their funding will hurt them.
 
2012-11-02 01:27:58 PM  
Well when one of your competition (Sinoala's) is being backed by the US Government you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
2012-11-02 01:29:12 PM  
I think the bar was raised when they started holding Colosseum thunderdome fight-to-the-death events with impromptu busloads of their kidnapped.
 
2012-11-02 01:32:22 PM  

Marine1: At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable.


Kinda hard when the alternative may be certain death for you and your loved ones.
 
2012-11-02 01:33:51 PM  

whosits_112:
Hey, I'm all for legalization or even decriminalization. But these cartels are just plain evil. They aren't your grandpappy's Mafia. They aren't just breakin' kneecaps over a vig you owe them. They aren't just fitting a rival mobster with a concrete overcoat. These guys are blowing each other up with RPGs and having full on battles against each other AND the cops/military! They are psycho! And the Zetas seem to be the worst. Aren't they ex Mexican Special ops or something like that? If so, then they turned evil, and all for money. Who knows how far they will take this.
.


Yes, they are pretty much the mafia from my grandfathers time. See that mafia used military grade weapon like sub machine guns and what not to gun down their opposition, on the streets, in broad day light. Banning, or least making them harder to acquire, 'gangster' weapons was pretty much the whole point of the National Firearms Act of 1934. If you don't think prohibition gave such sudden rise to violent and wealthy criminals that were willing to use military style weapons and tactics against rivals, citizens and police, you are a fool. If Capone had RPGs available to him in 1934, you can bet your ass he would have used them instead of Thompson sub-machine guns.

Yes the Zetas are scary, yes they are using modern weapons, but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past. They simply have better tools available to them. 

Perhaps if we take away their drug money, they'll create a gambling paradise in the desert. Its just silly enough it might work!
 
2012-11-02 01:35:22 PM  

tomcatadam: Marine1: At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable.

Kinda hard when the alternative may be certain death for you and your loved ones.


This problem goes away when the cops aren't corrupt.
 
2012-11-02 01:35:34 PM  

kindms: fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.

while that may be true their profits from marijuana dwarf the other drugs. The reason is simple. There is a HUGE market in the US for marijuana, not so much for the other drugs you mentioned. The number of "hard drug" users is basically a static percentage of the US population. It isn't a huge market like marijuana. So if you legalize weed in the US you instantly chop these guys at the knees. Sure they will fight over the meth, coke ,heroin users but the market is much much smaller, police would be able to greater direct their efforts at those drugs and it would surely put many of them out of business or simply nerf their influence.

Just like the Mafia made huge profits with prohibition, they lost a HUGE revenue pipeline, they lost a ton of influence as well.

Right now they have a HUGE pie, we can take a lot of that pie away by making them obsolete. win win.


I think this is a good point. I am not sure that the US can legalize *all* drugs; to me it seems immoral for them to just throw their hands up and say 'ok do what you like'. We would have to have some regulations and a lot more help for addicts and research into how to treat addiction.

I don't think it is as simple as legalizing all drugs and every problem goes away. I think legalizing some drugs could help. Legalizing prostitution doesn't prevent all human trafficking.

If cartels can't make money selling drugs, will they find another way? Can we fight them directly and maybe, maybe fix the greater problems of poverty and corruption that might cause people to become criminals? meh?
 
2012-11-02 01:38:56 PM  

Marine1: tomcatadam: Marine1: At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable.

Kinda hard when the alternative may be certain death for you and your loved ones.

This problem goes away when the cops aren't corrupt.


Where are the police not corrupt that has a war on drugs?
 
2012-11-02 01:39:29 PM  

Marine1: This problem goes away when the cops aren't corrupt.


You can't get rid of corrupt cops if the majority are corrupt.

Well, you can, but that requires politicians that aren't so corrupt.

wingnut396: , but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past


The continued use of Thunderdome with their prisoners is pretty darn evil.
 
2012-11-02 01:44:54 PM  
It's estimated marijuana legalization in the US would cut 25% of the cartel's profits. Just saying.
 
2012-11-02 01:45:44 PM  

tomcatadam:

The continued use of Thunderdome with their prisoners is pretty darn evil.


Sure, that 'pretty darn' evil, Not totally evil.

See, at least in Thunderdome, one man was able leave. Totally not totally evil.

//who runs BorderTown?
 
2012-11-02 01:48:45 PM  

Need_MindBleach: It's estimated marijuana legalization in the US would cut 25% of the cartel's profits. Just saying.


Yep.
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-02 01:48:57 PM  

tomcatadam: I think the bar was raised when they started holding Colosseum thunderdome fight-to-the-death events with impromptu busloads of their kidnapped.


Wait, what?
 
2012-11-02 01:49:37 PM  
Zeta Dipsticks

The DOD's JASONS have seen the future. It scared them. They labeled it Mankind 2.0

Transhumanist genetically manipulated super soldiers.

The only way to stay even let alone dominate the battle space is to create our own monsters.
 
2012-11-02 01:51:34 PM  

machoprogrammer: Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already


Great, then we can have all the legal and health problems that are already associated with cigarettes and alcohol. Only worse because drugs like cocaine and meth aren't remotely in the same chemical league.

Legalization won't make "drug problems" suddenly go away. It will hamper the cartels some, but they're not the only issue out there (and will move on to other illegal trades anyway.)
 
2012-11-02 01:51:41 PM  

Psycat: Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon


Like diet Dr. Pepper has got any legs.
 
2012-11-02 02:03:27 PM  

liam76: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs

It will take more than one step to get the beer out of the fridge, so I am nto going to take that first step.

See hwo dumb that sounds? Nobody is saying that will be some magic bullet and the Zeta's will disappear overnight. But cutting their funding will hurt them.


Las Vegas II?
 
2012-11-02 02:04:59 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: liam76: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, like when the U.S. ended palcohol prohibition and all the gangsters got legitimate jobs

It will take more than one step to get the beer out of the fridge, so I am nto going to take that first step.

See hwo dumb that sounds? Nobody is saying that will be some magic bullet and the Zeta's will disappear overnight. But cutting their funding will hurt them.

Las Vegas II?


Not a bad thing.
 
2012-11-02 02:05:42 PM  
Say what you will, my Zeta phone has unlimited data and 4Z coverage everywhere. The downside is that if you fail to make a payment, they cut off your head and dump your body in the desert.
 
2012-11-02 02:06:42 PM  

cuzsis: machoprogrammer: Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

Great, then we can have all the legal and health problems that are already associated with cigarettes and alcohol. Only worse because drugs like cocaine and meth aren't remotely in the same chemical league.

Legalization won't make "drug problems" suddenly go away. It will hamper the cartels some, but they're not the only issue out there (and will move on to other illegal trades anyway.)


IDK man it seems like you're saying we don't already have the legal and health problems with all other drugs just because they're illegal. As we have seen in the past with various substances being legalized, there will be a spike in usage initially after it is legalized with a decrease in use to around the level that it was before.

I try to look at it like this, do we want people to be able to put whatever they want in their own bodies? If not are we willing to accept that we will at best be able to limit slightly the amount of people consuming the substances we deem "bad". It's pretty obvious that prohibition just doesn't work, we've been fighting the drug war for around 60 years now to what end? Drugs are cheaper, more widely available and more pure/potent than when the drug war started. Anyone who wants the drugs, can get them if they try hard enough. I don't like the idea of crystal meth being sold in a store, but people are going to buy it either way. At least under a legalization framework we can have a more open and honest discussion about drugs, as opposed to ALL DRUGS ARE THE DEVIL which seems to be the govts. stance. I think that the only nation who has seriously tried an alternative approach is Portugal who decriminalized ALL drugs. They have seen use go down as well as crime and drug related health problems have actually lessened.

/tl; dr: legalize (or at least decriminalize) ALL THE DRUGS
 
2012-11-02 02:19:00 PM  
i1172.photobucket.com
i believe in the future as envisioned by these aztec lords. i think we should have unrestricted immigration to help bring this noble way of life into our nation.
 
2012-11-02 02:22:18 PM  

Orgasmatron138: The only incentive to end the drug war is to take a morally correct action. So, of course, it will never happen.


No, sadly. There's no way the douchebags who are involved with drugs will ever stop using them.
 
2012-11-02 02:24:47 PM  
what if we had the CIA infiltrate the cartels and have them lace the drugs with rat poison? then the drug users would kill themselves off.
 
2012-11-02 02:25:31 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 400x362]
i believe in the future as envisioned by these aztec lords. i think we should have unrestricted immigration to help bring this noble way of life into our nation.


Drone stikes are the only true path to appeasing the gods.
 
2012-11-02 02:34:17 PM  

cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right


I love how when someone makes a statement about useless, ineffective, pointless, waste-of-time-and-money programs, you immediately assume they are attacking Republicans.
 
2012-11-02 02:34:52 PM  

biyaaatci: machoprogrammer:

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs. put on a show about fixing an imaginary problem and exploiting society's prejudices while wasting tons of taxpayer dollars.

that said, end the damn war on drugs and legalize it already

FTFY


Yeah, for folks that supposedly want small government this expands government and costs $ to test these people. Probably pushed by the companies that will profit from selling the government drug tests.
 
2012-11-02 02:37:44 PM  

wingnut396:

Yes the Zetas are scary, yes they are using modern weapons, but no, they are not 'worse' humans that what we have faced in the past. They simply have better tools available to them. 



Yes they are.
 
2012-11-02 02:40:43 PM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


While drug testing welfare won't bring down an entire drug cartel, you know as well as I do it's to prevent "poor people" from gettin free government money. Of they can somehow scroung up money for these drugs(or use the government welfare to buy then) then they don't deserve the welfare they recieve. Plus welfare should be an assistance to recover back onto your own. Not a damn lifestyle. Id go the same route as to prevent these guys fr buying ciggs and lobster on a semi regular basis with it. But hey! Attacking the government for testing welfare recipients on the wrong basis seems to work for you.
 
2012-11-02 02:44:37 PM  

Craps the Gorilla: While drug testing welfare won't bring down an entire drug cartel, you know as well as I do it's to prevent "poor people" from gettin free government money. Of they can somehow scroung up money for these drugs(or use the government welfare to buy then) then they don't deserve the welfare they recieve. Plus welfare should be an assistance to recover back onto your own. Not a damn lifestyle. Id go the same route as to prevent these guys fr buying ciggs and lobster on a semi regular basis with it. But hey! Attacking the government for testing welfare recipients on the wrong basis seems to work for you.


Ummm... I'm not sure how to ask this discretely, but are you on drugs?
 
2012-11-02 02:48:59 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: spentmiles: I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.

I agree. Until I can find a job, keep those benefits rolling!

/thanks, mr. taxpayer


ahh

good to see that all my bosses rantings aren't completely without merit
 
2012-11-02 02:56:24 PM  

Marine1: Listen, I want weed to be legal. I don't use it, but stoners are probably the most harmless people on the planet and do less damage than drunks.

That being said, the whole "MEXICO IS A SHIATHOLE BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE AMERICAN DRUG POLICY!!!" mindset is crap. Mexico is a shiathole because Mexico is a shiathole. At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable. Cops need to stop taking bribes. People have to start giving a shiat about the condition of their communities. Otherwise, this will continue regardless of whether or not MJ is a banned substance. Canadians smuggle weed across the border all the time and Vancouver isn't a war zone. Why? Because Canadians have a national sense of decorum and shame, and Canadian families don't need bribery money from cartels to keep their children from starving.


Refuse to be a drug mule or to take a bribe and you or a family member will wind up headless in a ditch. I watched a documentary a while back on a mexican town where the only officials left alive were the ones who took the money. The ones who refused the bribe were all murdered.

/refuse the cartels demands and they will leave you alone. Its that simple!
 
2012-11-02 03:06:38 PM  
time to call the law...

www.scifinow.co.uk
 
2012-11-02 03:15:29 PM  

Psycat: Just legalize pot for Heaven's sake already.

As for the other drugs, decriminalize them. That is, make it just illegal enough that heroin and cocaine aren't sold in grocery stores and impose a fine (~$100) for anybody dumb enough to flaunt their hard drugs in front of a cop. However, make maintenance doses available for addicts by prescription at market cost.

As for all other non-violent, consensual-type vices out there like prostitution and gambling, legalize them, regulate them, and put them in red-light districts far from schools and churches.

By legalizing or decriminalizing all consensual-type vices out there, you'll knock out about 90% of revenue to organized criminals. Those are the hardest vices to fight since there's no victim involved who's going to run to the police. Sure, the organized criminals can try to make a living off of things like extortion or contract killings, but since actual violence and victims are involved, they're a lot easier to fight, IMHO. Besides, it's hard to buy weapons when the billions you make off of illegal drugs simply vanishes into thin air.

Of course, the first step to implement this plan is to stop wasting your vote on the Diet Pepsi or the Diet Coke candidates. Neither branch of the Corporate Sell-Out Party has any interest in ending the War on Drugs anytime soon...


My humble opinion: legalize MJ, users for all other substances are sent to a Portugal style treatment centers that include psychologists, social workers, therapists, etc and help them get off the drugs.
 
2012-11-02 03:23:53 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Teiritzamna: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

man am i glad i played this a ton, as it seems i am totally ready for this brave new world of ours

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

They rebooted Syndicate.


Well wait - do you mean Syndicate wars? As that was a direct sequel and it rocked.

If you mean did they ever reboot the series as a FPS? No. That never happened.



Never.
 
2012-11-02 03:34:05 PM  

JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.


Which is why they were tested for alcoholism and tobacco use too?
 
2012-11-02 03:41:42 PM  

wingnut396: Perhaps if we take away their drug money, they'll create a gambling paradise in the desert. Its just silly enough it might work!


I look forward to the Scorsese movie.

/or Coppala
 
2012-11-02 03:48:04 PM  
We do that in America, it's just wage slavery/we'll beat/gas/spray/kidnap you and throw you behind bars if you stop playing along as opposed to the Zeta's straight up kidnapping (without calling it an arrest) and chattel slavery.
 
2012-11-02 03:49:26 PM  

liam76: Like diet Dr. Pepper has got any legs.


The Diet Dr. Pepper candidate hasn't any legs simply because 99.9% of the drones out there would never be a pepper, too.
 
2012-11-02 03:52:36 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: spentmiles: I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.

I agree. Until I can find a job, keep those benefits rolling!

/thanks, mr. taxpayer


Actually, I think the guy I responded to was trolling. Perhaps not, though, and if that is the case let me say a few things.

1) I seriously doubt that the ratio is dozens of parasites to one actually needy. Maybe 3:1 or 4:1. The various agencies (at least here in CA) do a moderately decent job of culling the actual professional leeches. For one thing there are way too many needy (most often Hispanic non-English speakers with two or more kids) that soak up the NOT unlimited available money. spentmiles sounds single; I doubt that any intelligent female (or male partner for that matter) would want him. The food stamps, section 8 and other assistance goes to people with kids first.

2) The above statement about Hispanics is not racists (Hispanics aren't a race, anyway). It is simply factual, and I invite any libtard who doubts it to visit both the OC Family Services building in Santa Ana, on Grand Ave and the Social Security office on 1st St. in the Xerox Building and see for yourselves.

3) OTOH, I do know at least one guy, single (gay), who has been scamming the section 8 system for a decade. He pulls in maybe $40,000 a year doing computer systems consulting.

4) In the last year (of being homeless) I've met and now know LOTS of poor people. A few scam a lot; most scam a little; a few are straight arrow. I'd say the ratios are 10:80:10, or the classic Bell curve 80/20 rule. For most, it is a matter of doing what needs to be done to survive. This includes some drug dealing, some fencing, etc.

5) I don't consider myself to be anything like spentmiles. I am getting UI and my wife gets Disability (schizophrenia). I was a professional, an accountant, and made >$80K per year BO (before Obama). I've worked my butt off for 40+ years and I feel entitled. I've been out of work for 5 years now, except for periodic temp work, generally through agencies liked Robert Half. Things were dicey under Bush, but there was a fairly steady stream of temp work, which allowed me to "renew" my UI with new claims when there was no work and the old claim expired. When Obama came in even that gradually dried up. No temp work now for 7 months. Or rather I should say, there IS temp work - but (according to people I know at the agencies) 80-100 applicants available for each gig.

6) But if something does come around, I will jump on it. At 63 I still have at least a decade of productive work ahead of me. But until that happens, yes, let us continue the benefits. Which is why I'm voting for Loser Obama instead of Loser Romney, because I'm worried that Romney will, indeed, start slashing those benefits.

7) In other words, yes, I'm one of that 47%. But not by choice. My situation is a creation of 12 years of wrongheaded government policies, and now I'm unfortunately dependent on government until the economy recovers from, or learns to cope with, all the bullshiat that's been thrown in the gears for the last 12 (and especially 4) years.
 
2012-11-02 03:55:39 PM  

fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.


You don't build build private radio systems and submarine with Meth money. Meth money gets you a Honda civic. A used Honda civic.
 
2012-11-02 03:56:58 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: what if we had the CIA infiltrate the cartels and have them lace the drugs with rat poison? then the drug users would kill themselves off.


Yes, because the best solution to a terrible drug problem would be to fix it with an even worse mass-murder problem. Seriously, if you think casual pot smokers should be murdered, you're an evil Nazi psychopath with problems much worse than drug addiction.
 
2012-11-02 04:05:37 PM  

EngineerAU: JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It's also a great way to spend more taxpayer money on testing than is saved by taking those using drugs off the welfare rolls...


Not necessarily- some legislatures have the idea that welfare recipients should be forced to pay for their own drug tests.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/08/welfare-drug-testing-michiga n _n_1580973.html

Mind you, since welfare payments come from governments anyway, the taxpayer is STILL paying for them, albeit in a cruel and dehumanising way.

///And it helps if the incumbent politicians have friends or relatives with private drug testing businesses too!
 
2012-11-02 04:09:55 PM  
Seriously, folks, the best way to stop the never-ending War on (non-Corporate) Drugs is to vote for a third-party candidate who isn't beholden to Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, Big Booze, and the damned privatized-prison industry. The only reason third-party candidates have no clout is that none of you drones would ever think of voting for one. If it came down to voting for the Punch in the Face Party or the Sock in the Guts Party, none of you would even consider voting for the Hugs 'n' Kisses Party in your wildest dreams. That's why crap like the WoD never, ever farking ends.

Many of you folks may recall the Simpsons episode where K'ang and Kodos secretly take on the identities of Bob Dole and Bill Clinton. Since they kept offering the same empty-headed platitudes (e.g. "Abortions for some, tiny plastic flags for others"), it took a while for the citizens of Springfield to even catch on that they're actually aliens. And when their true identities were revealed, K'ang replied something like "Yes, we're aliens, but one of us will get elected for President, and when that happens, we will rule the Earth!" Then the pimply-faced kid replied in his squeaky voice, "Yes, but I can vote for a third party!" Kodos replied, "What? And waste your vote?" which pretty much doomed the Earth to alien servitude. At the end, when the human race was enslaved to the aliens and Homer and Marge are dragging a huge rock, Homer says to Marge, "Don't blame me, I voted for the other candidate!"

And that's how I see things in America. You vote for either the Diet Pepsi candidate or the Diet Coke candidate because you're utterly incapable of actually voting for a real third party (or, to be cynical, a true second party). You drones keep falling for the same Good Cop/Bad Cop routine over and over and over and over and over and over again. The spin doctors behind the candidates have things figured out pretty well; they'll tell a candidate to hold a hunting rifle in the next empty-headed sound bite to nudge exactly 3.5% of NRA members towards their candidate, and so forth. Why do you think the last several elections always come down to a 49-51% near tie? They have you drones figured out to several decimal places...

/end rant
 
2012-11-02 04:30:46 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.

Which is why they were tested for alcoholism and tobacco use too?


Drug testing only exists to make money, not to actually stop drug abuse in this country. A friend of mine worked for a drug-testing place, and basically it was a pretty rotten job. I've had a few temp jobs that tested for drugs, and that didn't stop me from getting a buzz. Seriously, I had four drug tests over the years and I beat all four of them:

1st: This test occurred during the longest dry spell of my life--a month without pot due to the market drying up back in 2005.

2nd: I abstained for a week before the test, then drank a hell of a lot of water right before the test to dilute any cannabinoids in my system.

3rd: I used somebody else's urine in a small plastic bag near my crotch. The trick is to run the urine under very hot water five minutes before the test to thwart the fact that they check the temperature of urine samples.

4th: I used fake pot for nearly a month before the test and passed with flying colors.

Drug testing did, however, guarantee that most of my co-workers drank heavily. When I went for my final test, even the receptionist stated that drug testing was pointless since alcohol was the most abused drug by a wide margin and there was no test for that. Also, there's a whole shiatload of prescription pills that pack a buzz and aren't screened.

Now that I've more-or-less escaped the corporate Rat Race and am self-employed as an artist, I never get tested for drugs. Hell, nearly all of the well-paid professionals I work with (e.g. museum curators, TV producers) never get tested either. It's always the crappy low-pay jobs like Walmart stock person or some bank-teller position that require drug testing--and encourage employees to drink instead.

/when Florida announced that they were instituting drug testing for welfare recipients, I'll bet Peter Coors got a serious boner...
 
2012-11-02 04:46:03 PM  
Where are the air drones I keep hearing about?
 
2012-11-02 04:47:24 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: fickenchucker: It's almost like a militarized border impervious to drug-running is needed between the US and Mexico.

Legalizing pot won't make a difference. If everyone grew it in window boxes the same problem would be there. The cartels would just concentrate on coke and Breaking Bad-style meth superlabs.

The mafia didn't go away after Prohibition was repealed--it just went into other products.

You don't build build private radio systems and submarine with Meth money. Meth money gets you a Honda civic. A used Honda civic.




I see your and the other poster's point. Build a good wall AND legalize pot.
 
2012-11-02 05:34:07 PM  
does anyone here really think that if some drugs are legalized in the US the cartels are just gonna pack up become fine, law-abiding citizens? HELL NO! These guys are criminals, you dry up one market in one country, they'll just find another country to supply, another drug to push, or pursue any other endeavor to fit their needs from weapon smuggling to sex-trafficking.

just tired of the narrow-minded "solution" of legalization that keeps getting trumpeted here at the first mention of Mexican drug cartels...
 
2012-11-02 05:49:56 PM  

Psycat: liam76: Like diet Dr. Pepper has got any legs.

The Diet Dr. Pepper candidate hasn't any legs simply because 99.9% of the drones out there would never be a pepper, too.


but the candidate has binders FULL of peppers
 
2012-11-02 05:51:55 PM  

Hella Fark: does anyone here really think that if some drugs are legalized in the US the cartels are just gonna pack up become fine, law-abiding citizens? HELL NO!


No, but they'll have a lot less money to buy weapons and telecommunications networks. Or, to put it another way, they LOVE it when people like you keep supporting the never-ending War on Non-Corporate Drugs because it's people like YOU who guarantee that they'll make billions by selling a product with a 10,000% profit margin.


These guys are criminals,


Well, yes. But thanks to your support of the WoD, you're guaranteeing that some illiterate thug makes more money in one drug shipment than you'll make in your lifetime. Again, their worst nightmare is for the black market in drugs to vanish.


you dry up one market in one country, they'll just find another country to supply,


Another country that has the insane idea that they should micro-manage what their citizens put in their bodies and are dumb enough to make themselves vulnerable to the black market in drugs.


another drug to push, or pursue any other endeavor to fit their needs from weapon smuggling to sex-trafficking.


Simple. Legalize or decriminalize all drugs, gambling, prostitution and every other victimless vice out there. I'll bet the extortion and murder-for-hire industries don't make 1/10th of the profit of the illicit drug industry. Besides, drug money helps pay for the weapons needed for murder-for-hire.


just tired of the narrow-minded "solution" of legalization that keeps getting trumpeted here at the first mention of Mexican drug cartels...


As opposed to the even more narrow-minded "solution" of maintaining the goddam status quo despite it being a total, colossal failure for nearly half a century? The "solution" of endlessly throwing billions of dollars of taxpayer money towards a doomed social-engineering project? Do you work for Big Pharma, or are you just another non-thinking tea-bagger?
 
2012-11-02 05:52:47 PM  

tomcatadam: I think the bar was raised when they started holding Colosseum thunderdome fight-to-the-death events with impromptu busloads of their kidnapped.


Not sure if serious. If you are serious, can you provide a link to that?
 
2012-11-02 05:53:26 PM  

Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!


wat the wat?
 
2012-11-02 06:14:00 PM  
Are "and held as slaves" anything like regular slaves?
 
2012-11-02 06:24:17 PM  
As an engineer being sent to Monterrey this weekend on business, this news certainly brightens my spirits.
 
BHK
2012-11-02 07:35:45 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: douche


I'm curious. What make them douchebags? Is it that they are violating statutes written by legislators, so therefore it must be immoral (ie. statutes define morality)? Or is it that they are using substances, in which case, what makes that worse than those who take substances for any reason but have had them prescribed by a government-licensed doctor? Or is it that they ingest substances which have not been prescribed to them, and therefore are medicating in a way that believe is immoral for not having a doctor's note? Are they douchebags because somewhere in the production chain there are bad people? One can say the same about a number of industries. Your own government is dropping bombs on people and I'm guessing that since you apologize for the state's battle against human beings who ingest unsanctioned substances, you also like to pay your taxes. Doesn't it make you a douchebag for supporting something that your government does to harm others? I'm going to have to go with the government-defines-morality principle as the basis for your argument that users of government-prohibited substances are "douchebags." Does might make right?
 
2012-11-02 07:43:56 PM  
I know you guys like teh whole legalize thing; but, that isn't going to work. The cartels will go back to ransom and running human slaves.

What might solve the problem; after your 3rd violent drug arrest, you get a date with a rope. And not it 20 years; in 5 minutes.

/ I am not advocating drug users be hung en-masse; I am only suggesting a solution to the problem that might actually work
 
2012-11-02 08:17:36 PM  

iheartscotch: I know you guys like teh whole legalize thing; but, that isn't going to work. The cartels will go back to ransom and running human slaves.


Since we haven't tried legalization yet, how do you know it won't work? However, we do know for certain that the current WoD is a disastrous failure and has been since Tricky Dicky started it in the early 70s. Besides, legalization would knock out about 90% of the cartels' profits so there wouldn't be much money to finance their other ransom and human-slave efforts.


What might solve the problem; after your 3rd violent drug arrest, you get a date with a rope. And not it 20 years; in 5 minutes.


Do you really think that that's a valid solution? It's hard enough to send a murderer to the injection gurney even in states with the death penalty. Sending somebody to their death for three drug offenses where say, guns are involved, is going to be a lot harder. And sending somebody to the chair in 5 minutes, or even 5 months is a fantasy. Finally, if we start executing people for simply dealing drugs, then the dealers won't have anything to lose by murdering the first cop through their front door. All that further escalation of the WoD will ever accomplish is to speed up the time it takes for people to get it through their thick skulls that the WoD is a dismal failure.


/ I am not advocating drug users be hung en-masse; I am only suggesting a solution to the problem that might actually work


It will fail like the 10,000,000,000,000 other times that politicians spewed out their "get tough on crime" rhetoric. We're already the world's #1 police state--where the hell do we go from there? Nazi Germany?

Again, folks, we NEVER tried legalization. How do we know it will fail any worse than the never-ending failure of the current WoD?
 
2012-11-02 10:06:12 PM  

cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.


AES encryption modules would tend to disagree withyou
 
2012-11-02 10:17:34 PM  
machoprogrammer
The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

That's naive. The left doesn't want to make drug use into a character test. The right doesn't want throw away money on poor people for any reason. Their drug related deaths would be more cost efficient anyway.
 
2012-11-03 12:43:48 AM  

EngineerAU: JimBob1015: Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.

It's also a great way to spend more taxpayer money on testing than is saved by taking those using drugs off the welfare rolls. Also never figured into the calculation is what do these addicts do when their welfare is cut off? My bet is on something that is of an even greater cost to society.

As far as the article goes, this is why I hate most countries requiring visitors to write down their profession on just about every customs form. Heck, in Tanzania I had to write down engineer next to my name half a dozen times while climbing Kilimanjaro. You'd think above 5000 meters it wouldn't matter any more.


Just write in 'magician'. It worked for John Paul Ziller.
 
2012-11-03 10:00:22 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Orgasmatron138: The only incentive to end the drug war is to take a morally correct action. So, of course, it will never happen.

No, sadly. There's no way the douchebags who are involved with drugs will ever stop using them.


Seriously, why can't those alcoholics just put down the farking bottle..........oh I'm sorry were we talking about "other" drugs?
 
2012-11-03 10:02:03 AM  

spentmiles: I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.


Heh, long time no see. Keep up the good work!

/it was getting stuffy in here anyway
 
2012-11-03 10:02:11 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Weaver95: I know! lets drug test MOAR welfare recipients! yeah! that'll show 'em!

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).


The Drug War isn't about prevention, but about profiting and empire-building while pretending to address the problem. If the problem was solved, then whither the future profit? If the TBTF crowd makes big bucks from money laundering but go unpunished, then that should tell you all you need to know about the earnestness of the anti-drug effort.

"Shock Doctrine": have you heard of it?
 
2012-11-03 12:40:37 PM  

Psycat: iheartscotch: I know you guys like teh whole legalize thing; but, that isn't going to work. The cartels will go back to ransom and running human slaves.


Since we haven't tried legalization yet, how do you know it won't work? However, we do know for certain that the current WoD is a disastrous failure and has been since Tricky Dicky started it in the early 70s. Besides, legalization would knock out about 90% of the cartels' profits so there wouldn't be much money to finance their other ransom and human-slave efforts.


What might solve the problem; after your 3rd violent drug arrest, you get a date with a rope. And not it 20 years; in 5 minutes.


Do you really think that that's a valid solution? It's hard enough to send a murderer to the injection gurney even in states with the death penalty. Sending somebody to their death for three drug offenses where say, guns are involved, is going to be a lot harder. And sending somebody to the chair in 5 minutes, or even 5 months is a fantasy. Finally, if we start executing people for simply dealing drugs, then the dealers won't have anything to lose by murdering the first cop through their front door. All that further escalation of the WoD will ever accomplish is to speed up the time it takes for people to get it through their thick skulls that the WoD is a dismal failure.


/ I am not advocating drug users be hung en-masse; I am only suggesting a solution to the problem that might actually work

It will fail like the 10,000,000,000,000 other times that politicians spewed out their "get tough on crime" rhetoric. We're already the world's #1 police state--where the hell do we go from there? Nazi Germany?

Again, folks, we NEVER tried legalization. How do we know it will fail any worse than the never-ending failure of the current WoD?


Um; you do know all illegal drugs were once totally legal. The reason that many were made illegal was the culture of abuse and bad trips.

Number 1 police state? Not even close. I imagine China, North Korea, syria and Iran have us beat.

Politicians aren't "tough on crime"; the Romans were tough on crime and it worked for them for over a thousand years.

/ personally I agree somewhat with the legalization of marijuana, it is not nearly as bad for you as some things are. I'd like to see some numbers from holland from the last decade to see if there have been adverse effects of their drug policy.
 
2012-11-03 01:10:52 PM  

iheartscotch: The reason that many were made illegal was the culture of abuse and bad trips.


And the reason prohibition of alcohol was repealed;

Five years of Prohibition have had, at least, this one benign effect: they have completely disposed of all the favorite arguments of the Prohibitionists. None of the great boons and usufructs that were to follow the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment has come to pass. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic, but more. There is not less crime, but more. There is not less insanity, but more. The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished.-Henry Louis "H. L." Mencken

Following the imposition of prohibition, reformers "were dismayed to find that child neglect and violence against children actually increased during the Prohibition era.-Rose, Kenneth D. (1996). American Women and the Repeal of Prohibition. New York: New York University Press. pp. 43.


But I'm sure this drug war is a wholly and completely different situation.... 

/which is why drugs are stronger and more plentiful now than they have ever been....
 
2012-11-03 02:28:17 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Marine1: Listen, I want weed to be legal. I don't use it, but stoners are probably the most harmless people on the planet and do less damage than drunks.

That being said, the whole "MEXICO IS A SHIATHOLE BECAUSE OF TERRIBLE AMERICAN DRUG POLICY!!!" mindset is crap. Mexico is a shiathole because Mexico is a shiathole. At some point, mothers need to tell their sons that being drug mules for the asshole down the road isn't acceptable. Cops need to stop taking bribes. People have to start giving a shiat about the condition of their communities. Otherwise, this will continue regardless of whether or not MJ is a banned substance. Canadians smuggle weed across the border all the time and Vancouver isn't a war zone. Why? Because Canadians have a national sense of decorum and shame, and Canadian families don't need bribery money from cartels to keep their children from starving.

Refuse to be a drug mule or to take a bribe and you or a family member will wind up headless in a ditch. I watched a documentary a while back on a mexican town where the only officials left alive were the ones who took the money. The ones who refused the bribe were all murdered.

/refuse the cartels demands and they will leave you alone. Its that simple!


If the officials are being killed for not taking bribes, then the other officials need to start killing the cartel operators.
 
2012-11-03 02:55:37 PM  

Marine1: If the officials are being killed for not taking bribes, then the other officials need to start killing the cartel operators.


I am reminded of the Swordfish approach, I'm sure it could be modified a bit for this situation....

Anyone who impinges on America's freedom. Terrorist states, Stanley. Someone must bring their war to them. They bomb a church, we bomb ten. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourists, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that it becomes unthinkable to attack Americans.
 
2012-11-03 04:04:42 PM  

Dear Jerk: machoprogrammer
The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

That's naive. The left doesn't want to make drug use into a character test. The right doesn't want throw away money on poor people for any reason. Their drug related deaths would be more cost efficient anyway.


Not saying I agree with it (since it costs more money than the number of people that fail the tests anyway), just saying the excuse they give
 
2012-11-03 11:07:46 PM  

Teiritzamna: StoPPeRmobile: Teiritzamna: [upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

man am i glad i played this a ton, as it seems i am totally ready for this brave new world of ours

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

They rebooted Syndicate.

Well wait - do you mean Syndicate wars? As that was a direct sequel and it rocked.

If you mean did they ever reboot the series as a FPS? No. That never happened.



Never.


PLASMA LANCE, biatches! 

Also, "Remember that the only thing that separates the chosen from the damned is a dot of monochrome light at the base of the neck" - The Book of Virgil

They don't make games that awesome anymore :(
 
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