Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(AL.com)   New Jersey wants you to know it's doing just fine after Hurricane Sandy, and doesn't need volunteers or supplies. Heck, they're turning away volunteers   (blog.al.com) divider line 116
    More: Stupid, New Jersey, North Alabama, Decatur, Seaside Heights  
•       •       •

5957 clicks; posted to Main » on 02 Nov 2012 at 3:39 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



116 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-11-02 03:12:59 AM  
Hmmmm. I wonder if that's going to affect the EWEB (Eugene Water & Electric) lineman that are being sent to New Jersey to assist in restoring services.
 
2012-11-02 03:22:39 AM  
farking ICS, how does it work?
 
2012-11-02 03:40:55 AM  
Governor Christie's gravitational pull attracted all the help New Jersey required PDQ.
 
2012-11-02 03:46:14 AM  
told by crews in New Jersey that since they are not union employees, they are not allowed to work

"Volunteer" implies they're working for free. I doubt that's the case.

And where does it say in TFA they're turning down supplies?

The troll headlines are getting old.
 
2012-11-02 03:47:39 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Hmmmm. I wonder if that's going to affect the EWEB (Eugene Water & Electric) lineman that are being sent to New Jersey to assist in restoring services.


If he has a firm grasp on the English language, he'll be just fine.

/Unlikesa you
 
2012-11-02 03:50:29 AM  
A quick Google on TFA's headline turns up Free Republic, Daily Caller, Michelle Malkin and The Blaze on the first page.

Of course there's no way right-wing union haters will attempt to blow this completely out of proportion.
 
2012-11-02 03:51:32 AM  
Hey! If yous guys got any problems wit dat, yous can file a grievance with da union ombudsman!
 
2012-11-02 03:54:27 AM  

cretinbob: farking ICS, how does it work?


Oooh! I know this one!

I took classes on FEMA ICS levels 100, 200, 300, 400, 700, and 800 when I was in Kosovo last year. Of course, after two decades of military experience, the only thing I learned from the FEMA courses was their civilian doctrinal terms. It was a heck of a week.
 
2012-11-02 03:55:30 AM  
here in Action Park country one can see large amount of work that needs attention. either the local crews are busy as can be doing what they can off the beaten path or they've been sent to help elsewhere, i don't know. i do know there is plenty of work that needs to be done and i didn't see work crews in my travels. many people without power, businesses closed, traffic lights not functioning.

people are expected by employers to go to work but many roads are detoured, travel is a biatch. gasoline is needed by folks using generators; cars are lining up similar to the 'gas crisis' days of the late 70s. i saw a really long line at one station yesterday where there was no gas. they were waiting patiently for a tanker truck to arrive. Whoa!
 
2012-11-02 03:56:23 AM  
Imagine that: random people showing up on your doorstep without getting prior approval might not be the way to do things.

Also: "State Public Service Commission member Terry Dunn said the president of Jersey Central Power and Light, Don Lynch, called the PSC on Wednesday to say New Jersey needs all the help it can get from utilities in other states."

/article mentions Roanoke, Va. Nothing local so far on this.
 
2012-11-02 04:11:58 AM  

cretinbob: farking ICS, how does it work?


Google returns this as its top result.

//mua ha ha ha
 
2012-11-02 04:20:16 AM  
Nobody wants idiots with a hero complex around.
 
2012-11-02 04:32:52 AM  
The utilities and the union jointly train workers in safety and work rules to provide standard practices throughout the industry. A journeyman lineman can work for any union utility in the U.S. or Canada and know what's going on before he or she goes out the door.

Who would like to be working on a 12,470 volt line, in the middle of the night, amidst piles of storm damage rubble and not know if that person at the line switch 20 miles away is fully qualified to be there?
 
2012-11-02 04:34:33 AM  
PEOPLE. YOU DO NOT HELP IF YOU RUSH DOWN INTO A DISASTER AREA WITH THE IDEA YOU ARE GOING TO HELP, UNINVITED.

Really. Everyone should take this to heart. Unless you are dispatched there as part of an already established rescue agency, like the Medical Reserve Corps, FEMA Disaster Response Team, or a Volunteer Rescue Company/CERT Team, or unless you belong to a disaster response agency like the Red Cross or Salvation Army, OR your company or employer has been asked to send a group of volunteers down, DO NOT GO.

You are untrained and unequipped to handle the conditions you are going to face in a disaster area. When these teams go down, they do so with trained volunteers who understand the basics of how to operate as part of a unified emergency response, and how to work as a team. They bring their own supplies to be self-sufficient for at least 72-96 hours, and they do not depend on the local resources to continue to operate.

When you just show up with good intentions, you actually become an impediment to the rescue, recovery, and mitigation processes. You are freelancing, working against the organized effort, and outside of official channels. You will tax local resources, and force responders to dedicate resources to you that should have been dedicated to the local population. In addition, the material and vehicles you bring in may further clog supply lines and block resources.

No one wants to go in with the intention of helping, and make things worse. But many times freelancers do so, even with the best intentions.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP:

The most prudent thing you can do now is donate to a charity, or volunteer with agencies which can help after the initial phases have passed, and the disaster operation moves into long-term recovery.

If you want to help after the storms the next time, contact your local Community Emergency Response Team, Public Health Reserve, Medical Reserve Team, or Red Cross. Volunteer with them, and take the classes you need to learn how to operate and respond, and protect yourselves and not become another victim.

If you're a nurse, EMT, or Firefighter, consider volunteering with a FEMA Emergency Response Task Force, or with your state's ready reserve corps.
 
2012-11-02 04:35:16 AM  

fusillade762: A quick Google on TFA's headline turns up Free Republic, Daily Caller, Michelle Malkin and The Blaze on the first page.

Of course there's no way right-wing union haters will attempt to blow this completely out of proportion.


It was on the local news.
 
2012-11-02 04:38:08 AM  

tigast: The utilities and the union jointly train workers in safety and work rules to provide standard practices throughout the industry. A journeyman lineman can work for any union utility in the U.S. or Canada and know what's going on before he or she goes out the door.

Who would like to be working on a 12,470 volt line, in the middle of the night, amidst piles of storm damage rubble and not know if that person at the line switch 20 miles away is fully qualified to be there?


Yeah , coming from tornado country there is no way they know what they are doing. Nope. None.
 
2012-11-02 04:40:32 AM  

BronyMedic: PEOPLE. YOU DO NOT HELP IF YOU RUSH DOWN INTO A DISASTER AREA WITH THE IDEA YOU ARE GOING TO HELP, UNINVITED.

Really. Everyone should take this to heart. Unless you are dispatched there as part of an already established rescue agency, like the Medical Reserve Corps, FEMA Disaster Response Team, or a Volunteer Rescue Company/CERT Team, or unless you belong to a disaster response agency like the Red Cross or Salvation Army, OR your company or employer has been asked to send a group of volunteers down, DO NOT GO.

You are untrained and unequipped to handle the conditions you are going to face in a disaster area. When these teams go down, they do so with trained volunteers who understand the basics of how to operate as part of a unified emergency response, and how to work as a team. They bring their own supplies to be self-sufficient for at least 72-96 hours, and they do not depend on the local resources to continue to operate.

When you just show up with good intentions, you actually become an impediment to the rescue, recovery, and mitigation processes. You are freelancing, working against the organized effort, and outside of official channels. You will tax local resources, and force responders to dedicate resources to you that should have been dedicated to the local population. In addition, the material and vehicles you bring in may further clog supply lines and block resources.

No one wants to go in with the intention of helping, and make things worse. But many times freelancers do so, even with the best intentions.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP:

The most prudent thing you can do now is donate to a charity, or volunteer with agencies which can help after the initial phases have passed, and the disaster operation moves into long-term recovery.

If you want to help after the storms the next time, contact your local Community Emergency Response Team, Public Health Reserve, Medical Reserve Team, or Red Cross. Volunteer with them, and take the classes you need to learn how to ...


They were asked to come.
 
2012-11-02 04:41:18 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Yeah , coming from tornado country there is no way they know what they are doing. Nope. None.


And you know this because they've been through formal training in disaster operations, have had their credentials confirmed prior to their need, and were dispatched through a pre-established and chartered disaster response agency which was formally requested by the incident command structure in the area, right?

Or do you think that Joe Bob loading up his farm worktruck with 20 year old linemans gloves and hauling on down to Jersey is actually going to help anyone?
 
2012-11-02 04:43:01 AM  

CujoQuarrel: They were asked to come.


I was making a general, blanket statement unrelated to this article, because there's ALWAYS someone who thinks that what any disaster area needs is a rush of untrained volunteers with shovels ready to get bootstrappy.
 
2012-11-02 04:59:39 AM  
Brony, that being said, if a person does have skills that could be very helpful, which organization should that person speak to? Obviously rushing into a disaster area with no plan is not very smart, but there are people that could be a big help but would be classified as people that aren't part of an organization.
 
2012-11-02 05:01:56 AM  

BronyMedic: CujoQuarrel: They were asked to come.

I was making a general, blanket statement unrelated to this article, because there's ALWAYS someone who thinks that what any disaster area needs is a rush of untrained volunteers with shovels ready to get bootstrappy.


I'd argue shovelling trash/debris, or making roads otherwise usable is OK. If you don't like it, though, you can still pretend you need the detour. ;)
 
2012-11-02 05:12:43 AM  

deven8703: Brony, that being said, if a person does have skills that could be very helpful, which organization should that person speak to? Obviously rushing into a disaster area with no plan is not very smart, but there are people that could be a big help but would be classified as people that aren't part of an organization.


It depends on what you want to do, I guess, is the best answer. The issue is that it's too late for Sandy right now, really, to volunteer outright.

If you're trained and licensed/certified in construction, engineering, or heavy equipment operation, contact your union or state professional body. They should have resources for you to volunteer your services in times of a disaster.

If you're coming in off the street with a profession that's not related to the medical field, rescue or firefighting, or an in-demand profession like construction or engineering, consider joining your local Community Emergency Response Team. You'll get basic first aid and rescue training, and learn how to operate as a team in a disaster situation. You could also consider becoming a disaster volunteer with organizations like the Red Cross by contacting your local chapter. The Red Cross will be the ones assisting in running shelters and providing food and water to the public during a disaster situation.

If you have formal medical training, like EMT/Paramedic, MD, DO, PA, RRT, LPN, RN, or Lab Tech, consider volunteering with your state's Medical Reserve Corps or Disaster Medical Response Team. These agencies will vette you before you are needed, and train you in the proper protocol and knowledge you need to respond.

If you have formal rescue or firefighting training, consider joining your state USAR Task Force, or speaking with your chief about joining your department's disaster response team.

Keep in mind, as well, that many large corporations and enterprises also maintain disaster response and recovery teams.
 
2012-11-02 05:15:47 AM  
Also, keep in mind that agencies like the Civil Air Patrol, your State's Guard Agency (State Defense Force), the Army Corps of Engineers, and the Coast Guard Auxillary also respond to mutual aid requests for disaster volunteers, and would love to have you.
 
2012-11-02 05:16:26 AM  
Here in pa near Philly, our power was restored last night by a crew from Florida and Georgia. I am very thankful.
 
2012-11-02 05:31:50 AM  

BronyMedic: CujoQuarrel: Yeah , coming from tornado country there is no way they know what they are doing. Nope. None.

And you know this because they've been through formal training in disaster operations, have had their credentials confirmed prior to their need, and were dispatched through a pre-established and chartered disaster response agency which was formally requested by the incident command structure in the area, right?

Or do you think that Joe Bob loading up his farm worktruck with 20 year old linemans gloves and hauling on down to Jersey is actually going to help anyone?


Know some of the people that went. Who do you know?
You do realize that they do this all the time for major disasters right?
 
2012-11-02 05:33:27 AM  
Huntsville Utilities is a public utility, hence "socialism", so they have that going for them.

I am pro-union, but if they were turned away it is New Jersey's loss because Huntsville Utilities knows their stuff.

/ Huntsville resident
 
2012-11-02 05:34:20 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Know some of the people that went. Who do you know?


I know plenty of people that went. My medical director is in NYC right now with USAR-TN-TF-1. Again. I'm not referring to the line crew. I'm sure there are other places outside of New Jersey they could be of use.

I also realize that it's a non-story when resources get there, and then get told they're not really needed after all. It's better to have the resources on the way and cancel them, than to not have them close and then realize you need them.
 
2012-11-02 05:40:56 AM  

BronyMedic: CujoQuarrel: Know some of the people that went. Who do you know?

I know plenty of people that went. My medical director is in NYC right now with USAR-TN-TF-1. Again. I'm not referring to the line crew. I'm sure there are other places outside of New Jersey they could be of use.

I also realize that it's a non-story when resources get there, and then get told they're not really needed after all. It's better to have the resources on the way and cancel them, than to not have them close and then realize you need them.

\


It's not that they weren't needed. They weren't allowed to work because they were non-union.

Here's the blurb Link

Note , these are not 'Joe Bob, loading up his work truck'. They are the local utilities people who took their own equipment with them. Because there was a disaster. And they were asked to come help.
 
2012-11-02 05:46:59 AM  
CujoQuarrel:
I also realize that it's a non-story when resources get there, and then get told they're not really needed after all.

They're desperately needed, they're qualified, and they're being turned away because they're non-union.
 
2012-11-02 05:53:23 AM  
There are 4.5 million people without power, pretty sure they're needed. Just further proof of what a stranglehold unions have on this country. Bloomberg told new yorkers the other day not to use any vehicles for hire unless they had the cab license plates.

I think sometimes unions have their place, but it should be illegal for a union to have a monopoly over services. Everyone loses except the union bosses. How much does it cost now to drive a NYC cab? Something like 60k last time I heard. Quite the start up cost to drive a car around.
 
2012-11-02 05:57:30 AM  

deven8703: I think sometimes unions have their place, but it should be illegal for a union to have a monopoly over services. Everyone loses except the union bosses. How much does it cost now to drive a NYC cab? Something like 60k last time I heard. Quite the start up cost to drive a car around.


In this case, they shouldn't have the say I would imagine. Since this would be considered a FEMA operation, power companies would be working under the auspices of either ESF 3 or ESF 12, meaning that New Jersey should have to play nicely with others.

This seems utterly stupid to me if this is the unions posturing. Unions don't trump federal law.
 
2012-11-02 06:10:34 AM  

jmomo: Nobody wants idiots with a hero complex around.


You sound union.
 
2012-11-02 06:14:36 AM  
FTA: New Jersey's loss is New York's gain. According to the report, the Huntsville crew is instead headed to Long Island to assist.

And?

Surely Union volunteers are hard to come by, and there would be no option in the line of volunteers eager to help out in any of the disaster areas that would fit the bill here.

Surely I should be concerned that the dispatch of a volunteer crew to New York (another area hit hard by this calamity) rather than New Jersey is going to have a devastating effect on the overall recovery effort.

Surely this is just another insipid attempt to politicize disasterporn.

Dear politicos: Stop getting your filthy politics in my sweet, sweet disasterporn.
 
2012-11-02 06:20:56 AM  

deven8703: Just further proof of what a stranglehold unions have on this country.


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-11-02 06:25:03 AM  

CujoQuarrel: They weren't allowed to work because they were non-union.


They were allowed to work in New York.

New Jersey Happy + Volunteers Happy = Non-Story.

Except that, yanno, it's an election year.
 
2012-11-02 06:27:29 AM  
So called progressives, can't we just round them up these retards and ship them off to Greece.
 
2012-11-02 06:28:57 AM  

david_gaithersburg: So called progressives


I called Progressive and got a sweet deal on car insurance.
 
2012-11-02 06:33:40 AM  

david_gaithersburg: So called progressives, can't we just round them up these retards and ship them off to Greece.


Isn't it past your bedtime? The adults are talking, son. Go back to your room, and I'll bring you some nice Elephant Graham Crackers and some Ayn Rand Breast Milk.
 
2012-11-02 06:41:47 AM  

SkunkWerks: CujoQuarrel: They weren't allowed to work because they were non-union.

They were allowed to work in New York.

New Jersey Happy + Volunteers Happy = Non-Story.

Except that, yanno, it's an election year.


Except for the people of New Jersey where it will take longer for the people to get power etc.

But who cares about them , right.
 
2012-11-02 06:46:45 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Except for the people of New Jersey where it will take longer for the people to get power etc.


Except that that's not the case at all.

Again, I'm pretty sure there's a line going around the block of people who'd love to volunteer, I'm pretty sure at least some of those are unionized. The less picky states can use the rest.

It's not as if New Jersey was the only state hit. it's not even as if New York and New Jersey were the only states hit.

But who cares about that, right? Let's squeeze that partisan prick into this disastercrack somehow. If it doesn't fit, it just means we push harder, amirite?
 
2012-11-02 06:54:45 AM  

SkunkWerks: Again, I'm pretty sure there's a line going around the block of people who'd love to volunteer, I'm pretty sure at least some of those are unionized. The less picky states can use the rest.


It should not matter under the Federal Emergency Support Functions if they are unionized or not.

That's the whole reason why the ESF exists under the National Incident Management System. You don't get to pick and choose which vendor or agency comes to help you, they're already vetted by FEMA.

They were requested to come, and dispatched through the Federal Mutual Aid System. They are being reimbursed through the federal government. None of that work is being taken from union members, and what they are doing is possibly illegal.
 
2012-11-02 07:04:08 AM  

BronyMedic: It should not matter under the Federal Emergency Support Functions if they are unionized or not.


Except that it did, apparently.

BronyMedic: ...what they are doing is possibly illegal.


Alright. If this isn't how it's "supposed" to work, maybe someone should look into that- the fact that Federal rules apparently got sidelined.

That would be a story. Unfortunately that isn't what's being reported here. What's being reported here is how "unions iz teh debil wat duzzn't want deezasstur rekovury 2 happen". Again: election year.
 
2012-11-02 07:05:19 AM  

BronyMedic: PEOPLE. YOU DO NOT HELP IF YOU RUSH DOWN INTO A DISASTER AREA WITH THE IDEA YOU ARE GOING TO HELP, UNINVITED.


THEY WERE INVITED!!!

State Public Service Commission member Terry Dunn said the president of Jersey Central Power and Light, Don Lynch, called the PSC on Wednesday to say New Jersey needs all the help it can get from utilities in other states
 
2012-11-02 07:09:28 AM  

liam76: THEY WERE INVITED!!!


s3.amazonaws.com

PUNCH WAS SERVED. CHECK WITH JERSEY. I WILL HEAR NO MORE INSINUATIONS ABOUT THE GUIDO PEOPLE!
 
2012-11-02 07:10:17 AM  

SkunkWerks: That would be a story. Unfortunately that isn't what's being reported here. What's being reported here is how "unions iz teh debil wat duzzn't want deezasstur rekovury 2 happen".


Sorry, you don't think it is a story that unions are slowing down the recovery?

Election year or not, pro-union or not, you should know this is farked up and either the union needs a boot up its ass for breaking the law (in this case of it preventing recovery in a disaster that boot should be the biggest allowed under the law) or this is something that should be changed under the law.
 
2012-11-02 07:18:54 AM  

liam76: Sorry, you don't think it is a story that unions are slowing down the recovery?


I would if that were actually happening.

Hint: It isn't
 
2012-11-02 07:47:03 AM  

fusillade762: A quick Google on TFA's headline turns up Free Republic, Daily Caller, Michelle Malkin and The Blaze on the first page.

Of course there's no way right-wing union haters will attempt to blow this completely out of proportion.


Either this confirms that "right-wing union haters" may be on to something, or that you will ignore facts that may be contrary to your ideology.
 
2012-11-02 07:59:35 AM  

SkunkWerks: david_gaithersburg: So called progressives

I called Progressive and got a sweet deal on car insurance.


It's not that great a deal, they just have a hot saleslady.
 
2012-11-02 08:08:14 AM  

CujoQuarrel: They were asked to come


Shh... don't feed the troll.
 
2012-11-02 08:17:12 AM  

pciszek: It's not that great a deal, they just have a hot saleslady.


You find that pudgy thing "Hot"?
 
Displayed 50 of 116 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report