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2012-11-02 01:53:32 AM

KangTheMad: Lee Jackson Beauregard: KangTheMad: KangTheMad: KangTheMad: Flint Ironstag: I_Am_Weasel: Someone appears to have transcribulated it.

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH.
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA. RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN

Have at it, Fark.

Enigma simulator. Though it was the German's machine others used it as well. A British spy could have used it to send messages to Britain.

/Kinda useless without the rotor and wire settings though.
//If anyone wants to try all the possibilities....

I doubt it's the Enigma code, it was used by a Brit, but lets see what my Enigma program spits out

50% analyzed with CrypTool. 2 errors so far. I am still in doubt that it's the Enigma, we will see.

Not Enigma, and not viginiere

Playfair would be my first guess.

I'll run it through that one


Any progress?
 
2012-11-02 01:56:32 AM

Medic Zero: ArcadianRefugee: Pretty cool, but "hero pigeon"? Gimme a farking break.

Finally! Maybe someone who shares my view of firefighters!


Firefighters are conscious of their efforts; pigeons, not so much.

So no, I don't.

Just because it's their job doesn't make their efforts less heroic. The knowledge that it's their job does, though.
 
2012-11-02 02:04:55 AM

mjg: Hugo Zorilla:

Have at it, Fark.

MILK
BREAD
EGGS
SUGAR
FLOUR


museumofuncutfunk.com

/too obscure?


Nothing is obscure on Fark and this isn't that obscure to begin with. It was the first thing I thought when I read that post.
 
2012-11-02 02:50:17 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Someone appears to have transcribulated it.

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH.
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA. RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN

Have at it, Fark.


To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Or:

This business will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to live through it.
 
2012-11-02 03:26:07 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I_Am_Weasel: Someone appears to have transcribulated it.

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH.
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA. RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN

Have at it, Fark.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if they would only recognize it. Today over lunch I tried to improve morale and build a sense of camaraderie among the men by holding a humorous, round-robin discussion of the early days of the mission. My overtures were brutally rejected. These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me.


Jiro, throw me the chart log.
 
2012-11-02 03:27:49 AM

themeatcleaver: MaudlinMutantMollusk: gunther_bumpass: EngineerBob: The message still may have gotten delivered, as it indicates 'Number of copies sent 2'.


Good point!


/Unless there was a second chimney.

A SECOND PIGEON HAS JUST HIT THE SOUTH CHIMNEY

you owe me a new keyboard you glorious bastard!


Hey do I at least get a mention for the assist? I farkin lobbed that one over the net for chrissakes.
 
2012-11-02 03:37:55 AM

ArcadianRefugee: The knowledge that it's their job does, though.


"...lack of..."
 
2012-11-02 03:55:03 AM
If only that bird had something like wings that could take him away from the fumes

Oh right, he was getting high.
 
2012-11-02 04:38:51 AM
letsflyfaraway.files.wordpress.com

Still hiding in basement of French cafe. Proprietor eager we leave ASAP. Waitresses at cafe hot. Germans in town incompetent. Invade soonest. Notify queen following message received When the night is dark and the dogs go- bark; When the clouds are black and the ducks go- quack; When the sky is blue, and the cows go- moo; Think of lovely Queenie;She'll be thinking of you.


/That's right, I like to mix it up!
 
2012-11-02 04:52:39 AM
20/4/1945 Birthday Boy and Braun safely on U-Boat to Brazil. Plant decoy corpses as planned.
 
2012-11-02 05:51:32 AM
I am a prince in Nazi Germany and I have to hide my money in England. Please send me your bank account number so I may deposit my money in there. Use the bird because everyone knows bird-bird-bird, bird is the word


got nuthin
*cough*
 
2012-11-02 06:16:10 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I_Am_Weasel: Someone appears to have transcribulated it.

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH.
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA. RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN

Have at it, Fark.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if they would only recognize it. Today over lunch I tried to improve morale and build a sense of camaraderie among the men by holding a humorous, round-robin discussion of the early days of the mission. My overtures were brutally rejected. These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me.


Oh, BRAVO!


/Hums 'Benson, Arizona'
 
2012-11-02 06:16:39 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
Bletchley park as the media like to show it

www.petercollier.me.uk
Bletchley park as it actually is


/lives near bletchley
//It`s a scum hole.
 
2012-11-02 06:18:27 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I_Am_Weasel: Someone appears to have transcribulated it.

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH.
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA. RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN

Have at it, Fark.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if they would only recognize it. Today over lunch I tried to improve morale and build a sense of camaraderie among the men by holding a humorous, round-robin discussion of the early days of the mission. My overtures were brutally rejected. These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me.


How can it live if it`s just full of gas?
 
2012-11-02 06:24:52 AM
Dresden 2, Hamburg nil.
 
2012-11-02 06:43:41 AM
Came for he Torch, leaving sad.

/this is not Mel Torme
 
2012-11-02 06:52:30 AM

mongbiohazard: Paging dittybopper...


Just saw it. I'll look at it in more detail later. One quick observation: The first and last group are identical, which leads me to believe it's some sort of indicator, so the message would actually be between those two.
 
2012-11-02 07:00:35 AM

Flint Ironstag: Enigma simulator. Though it was the German's machine others used it as well. A British spy could have used it to send messages to Britain.


It's almost certainly not. An SOE operative in occupied territory wouldn't have had access to an Enigma machine, and the SOE wouldn't have had access to one either. Certainly, an agent in the field wasn't going to tote around a 20+ lb box just so he could encipher.

As I recall, SOE used double transposition ciphers
 
2012-11-02 07:26:33 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Someone appears to have transcribulated it.

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH.
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA. RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU AOAKN

Have at it, Fark.


"My name is Ozzymandius, King of Kings. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains."
 
2012-11-02 07:54:32 AM

Hardy-r-r: I am a prince in Nazi Germany and I have to hide my money in England. Please send me your bank account number so I may deposit my money in there. Use the bird because everyone knows bird-bird-bird, bird is the word


got nuthin
*cough*


That's okay, that's what I was gonna with.
Something like
Greetings, I am Hanz Hitler, son of the late disposed Adolf Hitler. I am writing to you if hopes of you will help me....
 
2012-11-02 08:20:59 AM

MythDragon: Hardy-r-r: I am a prince in Nazi Germany and I have to hide my money in England. Please send me your bank account number so I may deposit my money in there. Use the bird because everyone knows bird-bird-bird, bird is the word


got nuthin
*cough*

That's okay, that's what I was gonna with.
Something like
Greetings, I am Hanz Hitler, son of the late disposed Adolf Hitler. I am writing to you if hopes of you will help me....


Actually, yours has more potential.
 
2012-11-02 08:34:46 AM
The bird was a double agent who felt really guilty and committed suicide.
 
2012-11-02 08:46:45 AM
I see Latrine has taken care of ze traiteur.

www.shadowlocked.com
 
2012-11-02 08:58:34 AM
I suspect it's not just a double transposition cipher. If it were, the frequency counts would look normal, with ETOANIRSH being the most common letters. Here are the counts for this one:

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU

A xxxxxxx
B xxx
C xxx
D xxxxx
E xxxxxx
F xxxx
G xxxx
H xxxxxxxx
I xxxx
J xxxxx
K xxxx
L xxx
M xxxxx
N xxxxxxxx
O xxxxxx
P xxxxxxx
Q xxxxx
R xxxxxxxxx
S
T xxxxx
U xxxx
V x
W xx
X xxxx
Y xxx
Z xxxx


That frequency distribution looks wrong for just double transposition. There aren't enough E's and T's if it was just a rearrangement of English (which is what transposition ciphers do). Plus there seems to be more Z's and X's than one would normally see. 

It could be monoalphabetically ciphered and then transposed, and if so, I'd bet that R stands in for E.
 
2012-11-02 09:03:44 AM
You have won a million pounds in the British lottery. To receive your winnings please kindly send 1000 pounds back attached to pigeon and you will receive your winnings soon.
 
2012-11-02 09:16:11 AM

Asa Phelps: If it's a one-time pad, lotsa luck.


It's not. Frequency distribution isn't flat enough for that.
 
2012-11-02 10:37:21 AM

dittybopper: I suspect it's not just a double transposition cipher. If it were, the frequency counts would look normal, with ETOANIRSH being the most common letters. Here are the counts for this one:

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU

A xxxxxxx
B xxx
C xxx
D xxxxx
E xxxxxx
F xxxx
G xxxx
H xxxxxxxx
I xxxx
J xxxxx
K xxxx
L xxx
M xxxxx
N xxxxxxxx
O xxxxxx
P xxxxxxx
Q xxxxx
R xxxxxxxxx
S
T xxxxx
U xxxx
V x
W xx
X xxxx
Y xxx
Z xxxx

That frequency distribution looks wrong for just double transposition. There aren't enough E's and T's if it was just a rearrangement of English (which is what transposition ciphers do). Plus there seems to be more Z's and X's than one would normally see. 

It could be monoalphabetically ciphered and then transposed, and if so, I'd bet that R stands in for E.


I was reading the wiki and "Of Silk and Cyanide" and it was pointed out that there was an operation by SOE that repeated false indicators so as to let the Nazis decode false messages and then use the broken false code to read any further fake messages.

I think I'll be buying Of Silk ans Cyanide.
 
2012-11-02 10:59:08 AM

dittybopper: Flint Ironstag: Enigma simulator. Though it was the German's machine others used it as well. A British spy could have used it to send messages to Britain.

It's almost certainly not. An SOE operative in occupied territory wouldn't have had access to an Enigma machine, and the SOE wouldn't have had access to one either. Certainly, an agent in the field wasn't going to tote around a 20+ lb box just so he could encipher.

As I recall, SOE used double transposition ciphers


I just wanted an excuse to post the cool enigma simulator.

/Subby
 
2012-11-02 04:16:30 PM

Flint Ironstag: dittybopper: Flint Ironstag: Enigma simulator. Though it was the German's machine others used it as well. A British spy could have used it to send messages to Britain.

It's almost certainly not. An SOE operative in occupied territory wouldn't have had access to an Enigma machine, and the SOE wouldn't have had access to one either. Certainly, an agent in the field wasn't going to tote around a 20+ lb box just so he could encipher.

As I recall, SOE used double transposition ciphers

I just wanted an excuse to post the cool enigma simulator.

/Subby


Actually, you should check out the cool Enigma simulators (and others) that Dirk Rijmenants wrote. Dirk is a cool guy, we've corresponded on subjects cryptanalytical.
 
2012-11-02 07:10:01 PM

gunther_bumpass: EngineerBob: The message still may have gotten delivered, as it indicates 'Number of copies sent 2'.


Good point!


/Unless there was a second chimney.



Are you saying they flew over a grassy knoll???
 
2012-11-02 07:58:23 PM

dittybopper: Flint Ironstag: dittybopper: Flint Ironstag: Enigma simulator. Though it was the German's machine others used it as well. A British spy could have used it to send messages to Britain.

It's almost certainly not. An SOE operative in occupied territory wouldn't have had access to an Enigma machine, and the SOE wouldn't have had access to one either. Certainly, an agent in the field wasn't going to tote around a 20+ lb box just so he could encipher.

As I recall, SOE used double transposition ciphers

I just wanted an excuse to post the cool enigma simulator.

/Subby

Actually, you should check out the cool Enigma simulators (and others) that Dirk Rijmenants wrote. Dirk is a cool guy, we've corresponded on subjects cryptanalytical.


I'll check those out. All I can remember from reading an Enigma book is they had a flaw. 'A' would never be substituted for 'A', which a true random substitute would do. So if they knew some of the message content, like headers, they could eliminate some possibilities.

/That and they built the worlds first modern computer, but kept it secret after the war. Had they just started building computers they'd have led the world and made a fortune.
 
2012-11-02 08:47:09 PM
Here's an actual picture of the message Link
 
2012-11-02 11:54:32 PM

MontanaDave: mjg: Hugo Zorilla:

Have at it, Fark.

MILK
BREAD
EGGS
SUGAR
FLOUR

[museumofuncutfunk.com image 465x290]

/too obscure?

A loaf of bread, a container of milk, and a stick of butter.

Eggs, sugar, and flour where not part of the skit.


I wasn't referring to that.
I didn't even know about it.
But, que ironico...
 
2012-11-03 02:21:12 AM

dittybopper: I suspect it's not just a double transposition cipher. If it were, the frequency counts would look normal, with ETOANIRSH being the most common letters. Here are the counts for this one:

AOAKN HVPKD FNFJU YIDDC
RQXDR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX
PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH
NLXKG MEMEK ONOIB AREEQ
UAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH
LKXEH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ
KLDTS GQIRU

A xxxxxxx
B xxx
C xxx
...

That frequency distribution looks wrong for just double transposition. There aren't enough E's and T's if it was just a rearrangement of English (which is what transposition ciphers do). Plus there seems to be more Z's and X's than one would normally see. 

It could be monoalphabetically ciphered and then transposed, and if so, I'd bet that R stands in for E.


I would think that the shorthand used in these kinds of communications wouldn't have the same frequency distribution as proper English, and places referenced in the message are likely to be French. So attempting to find the key through frequency distribution based on English is likely to fail.

While I hope it is a monoalphabetic cipher (and will therefore be solved very shortly), I think OTP remains likely. The message isn't long enough for the flat frequency distribution to manifest.
 
2012-11-03 10:10:15 AM
It'll be interesting to see what the message actually meant, especially since it's purported to come from Normandy.
 
2012-11-03 10:10:59 AM

Hugo Zorilla: MontanaDave: mjg: Hugo Zorilla:

Have at it, Fark.

MILK
BREAD
EGGS
SUGAR
FLOUR

[museumofuncutfunk.com image 465x290]

/too obscure?

A loaf of bread, a container of milk, and a stick of butter.

Eggs, sugar, and flour where not part of the skit.

I wasn't referring to that.
I didn't even know about it.
But, que ironico...


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-11-03 10:26:57 AM

babtras: While I hope it is a monoalphabetic cipher (and will therefore be solved very shortly), I think OTP remains likely. The message isn't long enough for the flat frequency distribution to manifest.


I doubt it would be OTP. I've fooled around with OTPs a bit (google "Fark dittybopper OTP") and it just doesn't feel like it. That distribution isn't flat enough. Granted, it wouldn't be totally flat, but it looks more like a normal distribution to me. Don't have the time to run a good analysis, but it's definitely not flat enough.
 
2012-11-03 01:24:43 PM
Heh. From here: http://www.bletchleypark.org/news/docview.rhtm/675670

***
Britain's real-life 007's links to mysterious pigeon

Secret Agent Commander Wilfred "Biffy" Dunderdale coincidently lived near David Martin after the war. Biffy enjoyed fast cars, attractive women and is said to be the real-life inspiration for his friend Ian Fleming's fictional spy James Bond. A specialist in counter-espionage, Biffy was the Allied Force's principal link to the Deuxieme Bureau - also known as the French Resistance.

After the war Biffy, who gained the nickname thanks to a fierce right hook, moved to Bletchingley, Surrey. Because of his past, he was given police protection. Mr Martin lives only doors away and managed to show him the mysterious pigeon code before he passed away. Mr Martin recalls: "When I showed him the bird and code the blood drained from his face and he advised us to back off. "He said nothing would ever be published."
***

The owner of the house trying to jack up prices for an interview?
 
2012-11-04 01:18:45 PM
Interesting that a message found in 1982 becomes big news only two weeks after the nearby GCHQ announces a "recruiting scheme".

Link

At least that would imply that the code is breakable and not OTP.
 
2012-11-04 03:44:41 PM

babtras: Interesting that a message found in 1982 becomes big news only two weeks after the nearby GCHQ announces a "recruiting scheme".

Link

At least that would imply that the code is breakable and not OTP.


Found in 1982? Where did you see that?
 
2012-11-04 04:38:22 PM

flexflint: babtras: Interesting that a message found in 1982 becomes big news only two weeks after the nearby GCHQ announces a "recruiting scheme".

Link

At least that would imply that the code is breakable and not OTP.

Found in 1982? Where did you see that?


Link

There's a few sites out there that didn't copy/paste the story and actually looked into the history of it.
 
2012-11-04 05:26:24 PM

babtras: Found in1982


Wow. And Bletchley Park has been working on it for the last 2 years.
 
2012-11-04 05:52:24 PM

flexflint: babtras: Found in1982

Wow. And Bletchley Park has been working on it for the last 2 years.


It sure killed the excitement I had when the news first broke.
 
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