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2012-11-03 03:26:21 PM

Repo Man: The top picture with the two of them, he looks like "No, you may not date my daughter!"

When they first met:

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Get that thing away from me!
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How could you do this to me?
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Thank you for that much needed smile.
 
2012-11-03 03:45:27 PM

lilyspad: [i1286.photobucket.com image 850x566] 
Lily partaking in the nip...*snerk*


HOLY FARK! I've been TF'D!

Dammit...now I'm going to get even less work done this weekend.

Perhaps I can repay the favor with more captions.
 
2012-11-03 03:50:14 PM
Perhaps I can repay the favor with more captions.

this.... :D
 
2012-11-03 03:50:51 PM
Especially since it's all I can do to get a damn picture posted....
 
2012-11-03 03:51:01 PM

Enemabag Jones: Relatively recently you had short leg cats. Now we have curly haired cats.

It is good to know cats are finally catching up with dogs, adapting them to humans. 

/Want a silver fox.


Actually, the short-legged kitties (Munchkins) are actually a newer breed than almost all of the "rexed" cats (yes, even the Selkirk Rex)--and are still considered quite controversial, because (in general) cat fancy orgs tend to be quite a bit stricter about any breed that could be seen as having bad effects for the kitty in question.

As it is, most breed associations won't register Munchkins because of worries they could be susceptible to spinal issues similar to the two Welsh Corgi breeds and Dachshunds (worries that so far have not really come to pass) and because of a recent discovery that the Munchkin gene is a homozygous lethal (that is, if a kitteh gets two copies of it likely kitteh would be stillborn due to a birth defect incompatible with life), and some won't accept Scottish Folds due to the gene being linked to a homozygous-fatal mutation and arthritis in "Foldy" Folds in particular; pretty much no cat breed where the genetic trait is linked to a trait that could be harmful (especially one with a homozygous lethal) is likely to be approved anymore (this is what killed the Ojos Azules breeding program--there were cats found who were dominant blue-eyed kitties without deafness, but unfortunately the gene responsible turned out to be a homozygous lethal that basically caused feline anencephaly). About the only reason that Manx and Cymru cats are allowed in most breed registries nowadays is because they've been grandfathered in--were the breeds to be started today, it's very unlikely they'd make it into cat fancy associations (outside of TICA, which damn near will take any developmental kitteh breed and is pretty much the "cat fancy" equivalent of UKC or other developmental-breed dog-fancy associations).

(As it is, the future of Manxes and Cymru might well be up in the air in Europe--an EU directive prohibits the breeding of any animal breed known to have a deletrious effect, and the Manx tailless gene is known to be a homozygous lethal (causing feline spina bifida in a double-dose). Technically Manx cats (and Cymru cats, the longhaired version of the Manx) are illegal to breed in much of the EU now--the main difference being that the cat fancies seem to have been ahead of the legislative curve. Dog fancies are going to have rather more issues with this directive...)

Selkirk Rexes are new as far as rexed breeds go, but are not all THAT new for cat breeds (pretty much the breed registry started in 1987, not too long after the LaPerm breed registry)--there was some question over whether Selkirk Rexes might share a gene with LaPerms, but we know now there's a fourth "curly haired kitteh" gene. :D Even better, this is a case of a dominant kitty gene with NO known "bad effects"--the worst that the Selkirk Rex "rexing" gene does is...make a kitty have wavy/curly hair, just like the single dose does, only kitteh isn't quite as burly. :D

The others in turn are:
a) Cornish Rex (the oldest of the "rex" breeds, recessive, thin-coated with loss of guard hairs; some reported issues with malignant hyperthermia under ketamine anesthesia; the stockier "German Rex" may share the same rexing gene)
b) Devon Rex (recessive, decided lack of guard hairs, some susceptibility to malignant hyperthemia under ketamine anesthesia; Sphynx hairless cats used Devon Rex in early developmental program and on rare occasion Sphynx litters will have (furry) kittens with the Devon Rex gene)
c) LaPerm (produces "wavy" coat similar to Selkirk Rex (though not as thick), dominant genetics similar to Selkirk Rex, first known dominant rexing gene and also first rex breed without malignant hyperthermia issues with ketamine anesthesia)

The Selkirk Rex is a distinct gene, of course (which we known now) and also tends to result in an especially thick coat, and also lacks problems with malignant hyperthemia under ketamine anaesthesia. (We don't really know why (especially) Devon Rex, Sphynx, and (to a lesser degree) Cornish Rex have issues with ketamine and react badly--it could have something to do with the loss of guard hairs in these breeds, or it could be due to all three breeds having heavily used Siamese cats in their early breeding program (Devon Rex and Sphynx cats especially still have a very "Oriental" body type, and Meezers are one of the breeds known to have occasional anesthesia issues). LaPerms and Selkirk Rex tend to be rather more robust kittehs in comparison.)

Complicating things further is the Sphynx cat--there is a strong likelihood that its "hairless" gene is actually somewhat related to the Devon Rex "rexing" gene and that it should be considered a "double rex" gene similar to "patched hairless" rats (both genes affect keratin-71, with the Sphynx "double rexed" gene (despite being recessive) being dominant over Devon Rex "single rexed"--there is a direct analogue with the "patched hairless" and rexed coat traits in rats). The canine analogue of

And this is far from the only coat weirdness in cats that's developed as the cat fancy has developed. There is a "family" of hairless cats (the Donskoy and Peterbald) resulting from a completely different hairless gene and which is a dominant; these breeds have a long developmental history in Russia but are controversial in the West due to the gene responsible causing ectodermal dysplasia in a double-dose. There is also a cat breed with a pseudo-rexed springy "wiry coat" similar to terriers (the American Wirehaired cat) which is a dominant trait--the only major side-effect other than the wiry coat is that all cats in the breed have golden eyes. (It's also the rarest breed in the CFA's registry--the CFA being the rough "cat fancy" equivalent to the AKC.)

/and this is probably more about kitteh coat genetics than you ever wanted to know
//thinks it's neat we have a second "wavy kitteh coat" gene without any bad side effects
 
2012-11-03 04:00:22 PM
The Great Porn Dragon thank you for the info! I had read about this breed, and was very happy to see that it is robust.

Back when my Mom and I used to show our household kittehs, I had a judge tell me he wished that my "old style" Maine-Coon was still breedable, as she was so nicely marked..tortie-tabby, in orange, black and cream...he said they will still sometimes breed back a cat from"outside" the pedigree in order to maintain robustness...pretty cool!
 
2012-11-03 04:22:09 PM
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2012-11-03 04:23:39 PM
My view while making dinner.

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2012-11-03 04:26:06 PM
I have no idea what was so fascinating in there.

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2012-11-03 04:29:41 PM

Salem Witch: I have no idea what was so fascinating in there.

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At some point somebody peed in there. That is always fascinating.
 
2012-11-03 04:30:05 PM

Salem Witch: My view while making dinner.

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I've been waiting for you all day.

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2012-11-03 04:31:44 PM
The look on her face cracks me up.

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Can you believe what she's wearing? They should not make Spandex pants in that size.
 
2012-11-03 04:39:02 PM

MoronLessOff: Salem Witch: My view while making dinner.

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I've been waiting for you all day.

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LOL

She does have a repertoire of humorous expressions.

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2012-11-03 04:39:46 PM

tigerose: The Great Porn Dragon thank you for the info! I had read about this breed, and was very happy to see that it is robust.

Back when my Mom and I used to show our household kittehs, I had a judge tell me he wished that my "old style" Maine-Coon was still breedable, as she was so nicely marked..tortie-tabby, in orange, black and cream...he said they will still sometimes breed back a cat from"outside" the pedigree in order to maintain robustness...pretty cool!


This is one reason I like TICA more than the CFA. Their standards tend to favor the wilder "old style" looks in breeds. The lady I got Mika from only breeds and registers with Tica because she breeds the wilder looking coonies.

My wild girl Mika
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2012-11-03 04:41:49 PM
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2012-11-03 04:42:58 PM

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2012-11-03 04:43:06 PM
Help! Does anyone know where I can get some honeysuckle wood? (specifically the LONICERA TARTARICA that cats love?) I have been searching online and only can find toys filled with it, I can't find any wood for my own toys.
 
2012-11-03 04:43:57 PM
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2012-11-03 04:44:45 PM

tigerose: The Great Porn Dragon thank you for the info! I had read about this breed, and was very happy to see that it is robust.

Back when my Mom and I used to show our household kittehs, I had a judge tell me he wished that my "old style" Maine-Coon was still breedable, as she was so nicely marked..tortie-tabby, in orange, black and cream...he said they will still sometimes breed back a cat from"outside" the pedigree in order to maintain robustness...pretty cool!


Yup, especially with developmental breeds or breeds that had a lot of "founder effect" in cat pedigree associations, they will "breed out" to keep from too much inbreeding (and yes, this has been encouraged with Coonies because there were some issues with a "founder effect"--with Maine Coons this is permitted because they're pretty much a basal "Nordic Cat" breed).

And I've actually heard that there are folks who are trying to establish "original type" Coonies as a breed, similar to the success people have had in getting "old style" Meezers recognised as "Thai Cats" or "Traditional Siamese". (There's also folks trying that with Persians, too--especially with the legislation in Europe, expect to see a LOT of "old type" revivals soon. :D)

And interestingly, there may be far more than four rex genes in cats--apparently rexing mutations have shown up repeatedly in cats since the 30s, including at least two developmental breeds that went extinct that may be unrelated to any other rex gene and a few other newer "rexing" genes in cats still being evaluated for their relation to other rexing genes. (At least one of the extinct rex breeds, the Oregon rex, may have "resurrected" in the form of the LaPerm; alas, the Oregon Rex died out before feline genetic testing was available, so we'll never know for sure, but the descriptions of Oregon Rex cats are very similar to the LaPerm.)

Interestingly, at least one of the "new rex" genes has shown up in Maine Coon cats in the New York area, and has shown up sporadically in the breed (the last time outside of New York that it showed up, all the kitties were neutered due to a regulation in the particular cat fancy that the Coonies were registered to that they couldn't make a "derivative" breed due to a spontaneous mutation--it is distinct from Cornish and Devon Rex genes, and may be either the same as the Selkirk Rex gene or a completely new gene--investigation needs to be done with the few "breedable" "Maine Wave" rexed Coonies to determine this). Apparently there also may be a wild-type rex gene showing up in feral cats in the Indianapolis area (because of shelter requirements to spay adoptable kitties, it's unlikely this will ever be a developmental breed unless someone catches a "curly feral" kitten and uses it in a breeding program), and there is a possibility that a new rex mutation could have developed in Australian Manx cats.

At least one of these "missing Rexes" indicates that the American Wirehaired cat might be a "fifth rex" (or even a "sixth rex", as all signs point to the Sphynx gene being a "double-rexed" gene that interacts with the Devon Rex gene) as a now-extinct "Dutch Rex" breed seems to have descended from an American Wirehaired cat; this (interestingly) seems to have been a dominant gene which (in a double-dose) resulted in "double-rexed" cats with patchy coats, almost identically to "patched hairless" rats (which are the result of a double-dose of a dominant "rexing" gene in rats).

There may also be a second or third "wirehaired" gene that has shown up in Siamese in Brooklyn, the basis of the "Brooklyn Wooley" breed in development; interestingly, this one is a recessive, and has hints it may be an incomplete "double rex" gene (usually Brooklyn Wooleys are born bald or nearly-bald similarly to Sphynx cats and develop their wiry coats as they grow).

A good look at the present state of research on the "newer" rex breeds are here (as well as a good discussion of kitty coat genetics in general).

Suffice it to say that (rather similarly to rabbits) the second most common coat mutations in cats (after, of course, long-coated kitties) are cats with various curly-hair, wired-hair, or even "so damn kinked it breaks off at the roots" hair genes :D

/All my cats are rescues or foundlings, but I still find this stuff fascinating
//do sometimes wonder when they'll find the genes that make Meezers and Meezer-kin so darn mewy :D
 
2012-11-03 04:45:59 PM

catmandu: Help! Does anyone know where I can get some honeysuckle wood? (specifically the LONICERA TARTARICA that cats love?) I have been searching online and only can find toys filled with it, I can't find any wood for my own toys.


Cannot be shipped to WI. Not sure why, though.
 
2012-11-03 04:46:58 PM

Salem Witch: My view while making dinner.


HAHAHA!!!! I love Suzy!
 
2012-11-03 04:47:47 PM
Real life is calling me.

Stoopit real life.

BBL
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2012-11-03 04:50:12 PM

MoronLessOff: catmandu: Help! Does anyone know where I can get some honeysuckle wood? (specifically the LONICERA TARTARICA that cats love?) I have been searching online and only can find toys filled with it, I can't find any wood for my own toys.

Cannot be shipped to WI. Not sure why, though.


Checked your link because I thought I could convince my brother to grow some and send me pieces of the wood. Turns out they can't be shipped to MA either :( (Usually there is some local native plant that it takes over)
 
2012-11-03 04:52:20 PM
Cannot be shipped to WI. Not sure why, though.

I don't think she's looking for the plant, she's looking for the wood chips that drive kittehs crazy...somewhat like catnip.
 
2012-11-03 04:58:45 PM

catmandu: Help! Does anyone know where I can get some honeysuckle wood? (specifically the LONICERA TARTARICA that cats love?) I have been searching online and only can find toys filled with it, I can't find any wood for my own toys.


I found seed for the plant. it's considered a weed!
Linkhttps://sheffields.com/seed_genus_species_lot/Lonicera/tatarica/9 507
 
2012-11-03 05:07:29 PM
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2012-11-03 05:10:03 PM
I am pet sitting this boy, in my house....away from MY cats who he would like to kill

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Got back from Seattle Thursday morning (red-eye) and was met by my ecstatic zoo! Hoover (the older dog) was whining he was so happy I was home. I tried to sleep but dang, 2 calls from work! but that was ok. I was up for 36 hours before I crashed...in my bed.

I had Friday off, we are to take our floating holidays near our anniversary date and birthday...it sucks when birthday is close to end of the year.... they should not be telling us when we have to take our floating holidays. OH well, I got the day off. Next year I am sure it will be different if the acquisition goes thru.

And I go back to Seattle at the end of the month. This time for 5 days. YIKES!

Good to be home with my loved ones though. Very good.
 
2012-11-03 05:11:12 PM
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2012-11-03 05:12:44 PM

lilyspad: Cannot be shipped to WI. Not sure why, though.

I don't think she's looking for the plant, she's looking for the wood chips that drive kittehs crazy...somewhat like catnip.


I am looking for chips, chunks, small branches, ....
 
2012-11-03 05:15:13 PM
Vy ft of only semi lucky Pg 7
7th Son, sure hope Blossom can hang in there til Turkey Day. 24's definitely geriatric. Ruby who lives with a chorusmate & many cats also, is 22 & still doing reasonably well.
Spkg of chorusmates, the chorus finals at SAI Intl have now begun. Am still trying to get back into webcast but am unable to. Too many others already there. Was in this AM to see local youth QT compete (were very good), then after giving a few $$ for future Webcasts, wasn't allowed back in. Another chorusmate is also mbr of Capital City from Indpls, they compete at 6:50 local (EDT), do so wanna see them too!
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credit to Smuuth whose profile remains up. Already Is Caturday!, been so since 8A EDT!
No luck on SAI linkie just now either.
 
2012-11-03 05:24:05 PM
Investing in a shop vac, should be here on the 17th of this month.
My regular vacuum can't keep up with this little shiat:
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I love that little heathen.

Haven't gotten any new photos of the brats lately. Nobody wants to sit still long enough, too busy either chasing or being chased.

And, to be honest, I haven't the energy. I tend to get down in the dumps every once in a while, and work isn't helping. My BS tolerance level isn't working very well, must be from election overload. Just a few more days, then perhaps it will get back to my little version of normal.
 
2012-11-03 05:24:29 PM
In2it.....LOL!!!! Caught the @#$%^ red dot!!! Hahahaha!!!!!!
 
2012-11-03 05:29:58 PM
What do you mean Movember is only in November? I haz Movember everyday!

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2012-11-03 05:30:14 PM

MoronLessOff: catmandu: Help! Does anyone know where I can get some honeysuckle wood? (specifically the LONICERA TARTARICA that cats love?) I have been searching online and only can find toys filled with it, I can't find any wood for my own toys.

Cannot be shipped to WI. Not sure why, though.


More than likely, they can't ship it because just about every species of honeysuckle in Wisconsin is either prohibited or very, very restricted (because of the fact that honeysuckle can...well...grow like a weed and strangle native plants). Tartarian honeysuckle is listed as restricted, which means you're not even legally allowed to possess honeysuckle wood without a permit (which is usually only granted for such educational purposes as "how to kill the fark out of honeysuckle" or to botanical gardens).

Hence why nobody is willing to ship to Wisconsin...too much regulatory issues + really aggressive DNR.

(There are actually a surprising number of plants that may be common in certain parts of the country but which are restricted or prohibited. One which may surprise people who've never lived with it is wisteria, which is banned in a number of states...because the shiat is FLOWERING KUDZU THAT NOT EVEN ROUNDUP WILL COMPLETELY KILL.)
 
2012-11-03 05:31:18 PM
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2012-11-03 05:35:18 PM
Awesome cat houses

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2012-11-03 05:35:58 PM
Trouble comes in threes

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2012-11-03 05:36:34 PM
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2012-11-03 05:45:22 PM
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Statue of Liberty during the storm....
 
2012-11-03 05:48:45 PM
catmandu, we used to have some honeysuckle but don't think we do any more. Didn't cut it down either.
Try again to post a pic. This getting as bad as Denied Access to SAI Webcast (too many checked in to let any more in).
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also early March this yr, credit to sherpa with Dragon in starring role
 
2012-11-03 05:49:07 PM
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2012-11-03 05:51:20 PM
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2012-11-03 05:55:07 PM
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2012-11-03 05:56:43 PM
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my cat, not my hand. Since Lily was feral, she tends not to be very trusting of people she doesn't know. So when my step-daughter comes over, she will come out to say "hi", but won't interact much. I have found that if I get out the nip, she tends to be more....playful! And my step-kid gets to have fun with Lily! Win-win for everyone!
 
2012-11-03 06:03:54 PM
Gotta go start dinner kids! If I wait too long and have too much beers, it will end up needing "correction fluid"...aka ketchup!! Ha!! BBL.....
 
2012-11-03 06:24:04 PM

lilyspad: [i1286.photobucket.com image 480x407] 
Statue of Liberty during the storm....


Lol! Send that one to Sherpa!
 
2012-11-03 06:26:46 PM

valnt9: catmandu: Help! Does anyone know where I can get some honeysuckle wood? (specifically the LONICERA TARTARICA that cats love?) I have been searching online and only can find toys filled with it, I can't find any wood for my own toys.

I found seed for the plant. it's considered a weed!
Linkhttps://sheffields.com/seed_genus_species_lot/Lonicera/tatarica/9 507


I've counted 3 or 4 "invasive species" happily living in the yard. One more couldn't hurt!
 
2012-11-03 06:28:49 PM

Snuffybud: 2 last pictures today. I just walked into the bedroom and discovered a lazyness zone.

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Left to right it's Snuffy, Cisco, Jack and Desi

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Desi thinks Jack's a good pillow!


These made me sleepy! Thanks for sharing!
 
2012-11-03 06:30:47 PM
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2012-11-03 06:31:25 PM

catmandu: t

My wild girl Mika
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Pretty cat, pretty trees! (Cherry blossoms? Maybe apple)
 
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