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(Slate)   Imagine the outrage if the head of MSNBC wrote Hillary Clinton a note offering to help her "off the record." Swap MSNBC for Fox and Hillary for Condi Rice, and you've got something that actually happened   (slate.com) divider line 112
    More: Obvious, Condi Rice, MSNBC, swaps, Roger Ailes, secretary of states  
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2012-11-01 02:37:01 PM  
there is no question that fox is the de facto media arm of the GOP. it's true that msnbc has a few liberal pundits on at night. but they're not even in the same league, let alone the same ballpark as fox.
 
2012-11-01 03:23:13 PM  
Roger Ailes is an old Nixon crony. He's as dirty as the day is long.
 
2012-11-01 03:27:24 PM  
I am not outraged by this at all. That is how much I already accept and know that Fox is the GOP propaganda outlet. Very little they do affects me anymore. Until they come right out and call Obama a House-N***er or something, I am not shocked at all.
 
2012-11-01 03:40:26 PM  
It's worth pointing out that there's no evidence to suggest that Rice did indeed take Ailes up on his offer.

Let's blow some more cigarette smoke at a pile of brush and scream 'fire' some more please. *sigh*
 
2012-11-01 03:46:00 PM  

hdhale: It's worth pointing out that there's no evidence to suggest that Rice did indeed take Ailes up on his offer.

Let's blow some more cigarette smoke at a pile of brush and scream 'fire' some more please. *sigh*


You do understand that many consider the offer to be problematic regardless of whether or not it was acted upon...don't you?
 
2012-11-01 03:54:10 PM  

hdhale: It's worth pointing out that there's no evidence to suggest that Rice did indeed take Ailes up on his offer.

Let's blow some more cigarette smoke at a pile of brush and scream 'fire' some more please. *sigh*


That is such a Romney thing. Conflating "legal" with "moral".
 
2012-11-01 03:58:21 PM  
Don't forget we are dealing with a network where one of their daily morning show hosts equated the job of being POTUS to that of being an anchor on Fox & Friends, stating that they both have to make decisions on the fly and react to things and are basically the same job.

Fox News is not known for their intelligence, ethics or morals.
 
2012-11-01 04:00:49 PM  

hdhale: It's worth pointing out that there's no evidence to suggest that Rice did indeed take Ailes up on his offer.

Let's blow some more cigarette smoke at a pile of brush and scream 'fire' some more please. *sigh*


Does the term "Damage Control Specialist" appear on your business card? You've got a gift, son.
 
2012-11-01 04:01:11 PM  
Was that a political offer or a pick up line?
 
2012-11-01 04:02:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Don't forget we are dealing with a network where one of their daily morning show hosts equated the job of being POTUS to that of being an anchor on Fox & Friends, stating that they both have to make decisions on the fly and react to things and are basically the same job.

Fox News is not known for their intelligence, ethics or morals.


Oh, please. If that was such an exaggeration, I'm sure you'd be able to name, say, 500 ways they're different in the next few minutes.

If you can't, I accept your apology.
 
2012-11-01 04:03:37 PM  
Fox doesn't want Romney to win, that will affect their viewership and Ad numbers.

As long as the magic negro is president, fox can continue to be number 1.
 
2012-11-01 04:03:48 PM  
Well, subby, that's your own damn fault. Everybody knows stupid libtards weigh themselves down with rules and ethics and whatnot. That's why such upstanding people like Newt Gingrich, Jack Abramoff, Mitt Romney and the like are conservative, which means rules don't apply to them!
 
2012-11-01 04:03:51 PM  
BSABSVR, IOKIYAR


And done.
 
2012-11-01 04:04:41 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Was that a political offer or a pick up line?


Good question.

As I watched HBO's recent movie "The Girl," about Alfred Hitchcock's...unhealthy...infatuation with Tippi Hedron, I kept having flashes of the corpulent Mr. Ailes and Sarah Palin. Gross.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-01 04:06:17 PM  
02varvara.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-01 04:08:27 PM  

FlashHarry: there is no question that fox is the de facto media arm of the GOP. it's true that msnbc has a few liberal pundits on at night. but they're not even in the same league, let alone the same ballpark as fox.


I really think this may be backward, I think it is more likely that the GOP is the political arm of Fox news.
 
2012-11-01 04:08:39 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Fox doesn't want Romney to win, that will affect their viewership and Ad numbers.

As long as the magic negro is president, fox can continue to be number 1.


Unless the Senate remains in the hands of the Democrats. Then they can switch to non-stop UP OR DOWN VOTE!!! UP OR DOWN VOTE mode
 
2012-11-01 04:08:47 PM  
At the end of the year Fark has a contest for the "worst written headline of the year...right? When the voting for that comes up, this one is gonna win hands down.
 
2012-11-01 04:11:13 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Until they come right out and call Obama a House-N***er or something, I am not shocked at all.


I'd be shocked if they said that. I am pretty sure Fox News likes "House-Ns" as you so eloquently put it
 
2012-11-01 04:13:09 PM  
media.tumblr.com

/Even more disturbing when you consider the jowl physics...
 
2012-11-01 04:13:37 PM  

d23: [02varvara.files.wordpress.com image 500x342]


I'm sure posting that cartoon without comment seemed poignant and clever to you at the time, but...it was not.
 
2012-11-01 04:14:16 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I am not outraged by this at all. That is how much I already accept and know that Fox is the GOP propaganda outlet. Very little they do affects me anymore. Until they come right out and call Obama a House-N***er or something, I am not shocked at all.


THIS
 
2012-11-01 04:14:52 PM  
here it is. the october surprise.
 
2012-11-01 04:15:07 PM  

sdd2000: I really think this may be backward, I think it is more likely that the GOP is the political arm of Fox news.


you know - i'd never considered that, but you just may well be right.
 
2012-11-01 04:16:34 PM  

colon_pow: here it is. the october surprise.


If you're going to snark you can at least get the month right.
 
2012-11-01 04:16:52 PM  

EyeballKid: Well, subby, that's your own damn fault. Everybody knows stupid libtards weigh themselves down with rules and ethics and whatnot. That's why such upstanding people like Newt Gingrich, Jack Abramoff, Mitt Romney and the like are conservative, which means rules don't apply to them!


For a long time, I really thought both sides were equally bad. That is no longer the case. The infuriating thing is, Democrats still won't step up and say, "OK, we're slightly crooked, but these motherfarkers are out for blood and must be stopped."

I truly believe the GOP will steal an election, full-on dictator style, within the next 20 years. And only then will the Democrats truly grow a pair. Maybe.
 
2012-11-01 04:17:46 PM  

colon_pow: here it is. the october surprise.


Should I go with:

A: "For the chronologically challenged, it's November."

or

B: "I believe that was Hurricane Sandy. Christie plays nice with Obama, Bloomberg endores Obama. See you in 2016!"

???
 
2012-11-01 04:17:55 PM  

Rug Doctor: I truly believe the GOP will steal an election, full-on dictator style, within the next 20 years.


Yes, some time in the distant future, like 12 years ago. Possibly 8 years ago, as well.
 
2012-11-01 04:18:09 PM  
Can't wait til Rice runs, loses, and gets a desk job at Fox as consolation
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-01 04:18:58 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: d23: [02varvara.files.wordpress.com image 500x342]

I'm sure posting that cartoon without comment seemed poignant and clever to you at the time, but...it was not.


Neither was your comment.. so it's a draw.
 
2012-11-01 04:19:47 PM  
Am I the only one who thinks that the kind of help being offered is paramount here?

If I called up one of my representatives and told that that I'm willing to help out if they ever need me am I being a great citizen or am I being dishonest/criminal?

I suspect the difference would be if the official responded to me and asked me to do something illegal- And I chose to go along with it.

Did Josh Vorhees, (the author of this wonderful article) fail to understand the situation or is he some sort of partisan hack?
 
2012-11-01 04:20:47 PM  
FNC is the publicity arm of the GOP. This is no surprise. They've dealt with war criminals before, and likely will in the future.
 
2012-11-01 04:23:25 PM  
Ailes is a lifelong propagandist for the Republican Party. And Fox News is "state-run television" serving the GOP.

None of this is hyperbole -- that is exactly who Ailes is, and how Fox News is operated.
 
2012-11-01 04:25:18 PM  

Leeds: If I called up one of my representatives and told that that I'm willing to help out if they ever need me am I being a great citizen or am I being dishonest/criminal?



LOL. First of all, try to get your rep on the phone. See how that works out. Do you have deep pockets? No? Good farking luck.

Secondly, you don't control a national news network. You couldn't have picked a weaker comparison.
 
2012-11-01 04:26:59 PM  
Fox news = GOP propaganda.

even most Fox viewers realize this...and they're incredibly poorly informed.
 
2012-11-01 04:27:01 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Leeds: If I called up one of my representatives and told that that I'm willing to help out if they ever need me am I being a great citizen or am I being dishonest/criminal?


LOL. First of all, try to get your rep on the phone. See how that works out. Do you have deep pockets? No? Good farking luck.

Secondly, you don't control a national news network. You couldn't have picked a weaker comparison.


Maybe he found out Ailes' Fark handle and threw him a TF. That'll get him on the phone.
 
2012-11-01 04:28:38 PM  

Leeds: Am I the only one who thinks that the kind of help being offered is paramount here?

If I called up one of my representatives and told that that I'm willing to help out if they ever need me am I being a great citizen or am I being dishonest/criminal?

I suspect the difference would be if the official responded to me and asked me to do something illegal- And I chose to go along with it.

Did Josh Vorhees, (the author of this wonderful article) fail to understand the situation or is he some sort of partisan hack?


I imagine he understands that Rice was the secretary of state, not a representative, and that Ailes is the president of a purported news organization, and as such is supposed to be involved in covering the news, not offering personal assistance to Cabinet members.
 
2012-11-01 04:30:54 PM  
If you liberals are outraged by this, make sure to save some outrage for MSNBC being the right-hand man of the Democratic Party. As much as Fox News is pro-GOP and biased, as is MSNBC is pro-Liberal. If you don't agree, then naturally you're a flaming liberal.
 
2012-11-01 04:32:36 PM  
one thing about a possible Mitt win that will be entertaining will be watching them pivot from "Federal Government BAD!!" back to the mantra in the Bush years "They've got your best interests in mind, stop asking so many questions".

it was funny watching them pivot the other way when Obama won and it's been great for shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report. They can string together nearly endless clips of Fox personalities completely contradicting themselves depending on which party is in office.

Fox is just awful...

/I can't watch MSNBC or CNN 'cause they're crap, but Fox is just the worst...so bad...just...just...awful
//they should just run Trump's hair yelling "BENGHAZI" forever.
 
2012-11-01 04:33:12 PM  

wistfulparanoia: If you liberals are outraged by this, make sure to save some outrage for MSNBC being the right-hand man of the Democratic Party. As much as Fox News is pro-GOP and biased, as is MSNBC is pro-Liberal. If you don't agree, then naturally you're a flaming liberal.


I heard everybody at MSNBC is Che Guevera in different human suits.
 
2012-11-01 04:36:33 PM  

wistfulparanoia: If you liberals are outraged by this, make sure to save some outrage for MSNBC being the right-hand man of the Democratic Party. As much as Fox News is pro-GOP and biased, as is MSNBC is pro-Liberal. If you don't agree, then naturally you're a flaming liberal.


tell Joe Scorborough about it.

you're wrong though..

MSNBC is awful tabloid news with a sprinkle of light current event during the day and commentary by liberal leaning blowhards by night. Unlike Fox, who literally work for the GOP, MSNBC's big dogs are themselves liberals but do not work for the DNC (which is only sometimes liberal. See the Iraq war, or the Patriot act, or NDAA, etc)
 
2012-11-01 04:38:51 PM  

FlashHarry: there is no question that fox is the de facto media arm of the GOP. it's true that msnbc has a few liberal pundits on at night. but they're not even in the same league, let alone the same ballpark as fox.


They're both just as bad. Maddow is Hannity with an Adam's Apple. The only difference is, FOX is entertaining with their trolling, MSNBC is like a bunch of kids screaming "poopie head" and thinking they're being witty.
 
2012-11-01 04:41:13 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-01 04:42:38 PM  

kingoomieiii: AdolfOliverPanties: Don't forget we are dealing with a network where one of their daily morning show hosts equated the job of being POTUS to that of being an anchor on Fox & Friends, stating that they both have to make decisions on the fly and react to things and are basically the same job.

Fox News is not known for their intelligence, ethics or morals.

Oh, please. If that was such an exaggeration, I'm sure you'd be able to name, say, 500 ways they're different in the next few minutes.

If you can't, I accept your apology.


Times up!
 
2012-11-01 04:43:15 PM  

wistfulparanoia: If you liberals are outraged by this, make sure to save some outrage for MSNBC being the right-hand man of the Democratic Party. As much as Fox News is pro-GOP and biased, as is MSNBC is pro-Liberal. If you don't agree, then naturally you're a flaming liberal.


Tell that to Olbermann who got suspended for supporting a campaign. You can't do that on MSNBC. On Fox, where it's "Fair and Balanced", you can give actively show up at stump speeches to support candidates if you're Sean Hannity. Oh, and you can give money too.

Link
 
2012-11-01 04:43:50 PM  

FlashHarry: there is no question that fox is the de facto media arm of the GOP. it's true that msnbc has a few liberal pundits on at night. but they're not even in the same league, let alone the same ballpark as fox.


The GOP has been acting like a terrorist organization for a long, long time. Lone wolves, sleeper cells, their very own Baghdad Bob. It's sad really.
 
2012-11-01 04:44:55 PM  
Let's try that again.

coeyagi: wistfulparanoia: If you liberals are outraged by this, make sure to save some outrage for MSNBC being the right-hand man of the Democratic Party. As much as Fox News is pro-GOP and biased, as is MSNBC is pro-Liberal. If you don't agree, then naturally you're a flaming liberal.

Tell that to Olbermann who got suspended for supporting a campaign. You can't do that on MSNBC. On Fox, where it's "Fair and Balanced", you can give actively show up at stump speeches to support candidates if you're Sean Hannity. Oh, and you can give money too.

Link

 
2012-11-01 04:45:02 PM  

wooden_badger: JolobinSmokin: Fox doesn't want Romney to win, that will affect their viewership and Ad numbers.

As long as the magic negro is president, fox can continue to be number 1.

Unless the Senate remains in the hands of the Democrats. Then they can switch to non-stop UP OR DOWN VOTE!!! UP OR DOWN VOTE mode


+10

Didn't think my cunning plan all the way thru
 
2012-11-01 04:45:10 PM  

unexplained bacon: Fox news = GOP propaganda.

even most Fox viewers realize this...and they're incredibly poorly informed infromed.


FTFY
 
2012-11-01 04:45:52 PM  

wistfulparanoia: If you liberals are outraged by this, make sure to save some outrage for MSNBC being the right-hand man of the Democratic Party. As much as Fox News is pro-GOP and biased, as is MSNBC is pro-Liberal. If you don't agree, then naturally you're a flaming liberal.



So the person running MSNBC was a key media adviser at the center of Democratic campaigns, and produced important Dem campaign ads, dating all the way back to the 1960s? I was not aware of that.
 
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