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2012-11-01 07:50:18 PM  

lordmoon: I have a hard time donating cash to any "nonprofit" organization where some of its members make a six-plus figure salary. Blood and goods are okay though.


The difference is, it is an international organization, serving 95+ nations, with over 90+ million volunteers. Surprise, that requires more overhead than a local soup kitchen with 10 people and 50 customers.

The still have 92% charity ratio (expenses to services provided) and are highly rated by independent charity watch organizations. 

I just don't understand why naive people are so hateful about the red cross.
 
2012-11-01 07:51:28 PM  
Jst from reading the article I sense a deep animosity and profound jeolousy of staten islanites against manhattanites.

Not sure if it's true or not.
 
2012-11-01 07:53:26 PM  

Jack_Knopf: Here comes a CSB...

My stepfather's father (stepgrandfather??) was in Africa during WW2. The base was overrun and the very few survivors were sent to Italy for detainment. I'm not sure how long they were there, but when the war was over they were released. As they came out of the prison camp there were several booths (for lack of a better word) providing supplies to the POWs. There was a Red Cross booth and a Salvation Army booth among others. They were giving out soap, razors, cigs, shoes, etc. Before the Red Cross would give out supplies they wanted the soldier's information so they could bill them for the supplies. The Salvation Army was giving out these supplies free of charge with no questions asked.

After hearing this story I refuse to give to the Red Cross and send all my donations to the Salvation Army. I'm know the Red Cross does some very good deeds, but this stuck with me.

/csb
//didn't RTFA


I think we're gonna need a citation for that. Not saying your sgf was bs'ing, but he may have been repeating an apocryphal story. The Red Cross gathered info for all POWs, and I'm pretty sure they didn't get billed for their packages. Maybe you should do some actual research before withholding support for a valuable organisation.

dofus:
I can back this story up with personal experiences in Texas during the Viet Nam War. For all you anti-religious Farkers out there who want to make Farky comments about the Salvation Army, y'all can FOAD.


So the Red Cross wanted to bill you? Do tell. Also, I don't think anyone was lining up to bash the Sally Ann.
 
2012-11-01 07:53:56 PM  
Sometimes, when bad publicity comes, agencies work extra hard as opposed to acting butt hurt.

If the Red Cross is the mature aid organization it wants to be, it will put the President's remarks into context. Can't be the first time that people are all bent out of shape after a disaster.
 
2012-11-01 07:56:20 PM  

Pribar: I was part of the relief force staged by FEMA for Katrina, a LOT of misinformation has been spread about that and since it ties in with this story here goes. We were staged just west of Tallahassee, Fl (as close to the path of the storm as we dared get, we would do no one any good if we got caught in the storm and ended up as casualties ourselves) when the storm passed word came down that New Orleans (the primary response zone for most of us) had suffered moderate damage so about 70% of us were reassigned to towns in Mississippi, many of which had been totally obliterated, we rolled on those orders and it wasn't until hours later that word came down that the levees had failed and NO was flooded, by then most of us had already passed beyond recall range (cell and landlines were spotty at best and most of us only had VHF radios good for local comms only) so yes response to the New Orleans disaster could have been better but what was overlooked in the blame game is that local authorities are supposed to be responsible for disaster relief in the first 48 hours after a event, it takes time for large scale relief convoys to get into place, roads have to be made safe (power lines, trees, and other obstacles cleared, bridges inspected to make sure our vehicles don't collapse em etc) fuel supplies have to be coordinated (big rigs drink diesel to the tune of 6 to 8 MPG), etc. in short shiat takes time, deal with it.

Unlike tornadoes and earthquakes, storms like Katrina and Sandy build over days if not weeks so there is NO excuse for not being prepared for them, if one is headed even remotely in your direction get at LEAST 3 days worth of food, water and meds for everyone in your household and your pets, if you live in low lying ares (Cough Staten Island Cough) get out, storm surge is no joke its better to look like chicken little and run than to realize that surge is not the same as a burst pipe, its not just water, it is what a storm has picked up in the last 1000 farking m ...


On the contrary, thanks for the anecdote/info.
 
2012-11-01 07:57:27 PM  

msupf: dofus: Jack_Knopf: Here comes a CSB...

My stepfather's father (stepgrandfather??) was in Africa during WW2. The base was overrun and the very few survivors were sent to Italy for detainment. I'm not sure how long they were there, but when the war was over they were released. As they came out of the prison camp there were several booths (for lack of a better word) providing supplies to the POWs. There was a Red Cross booth and a Salvation Army booth among others. They were giving out soap, razors, cigs, shoes, etc. Before the Red Cross would give out supplies they wanted the soldier's information so they could bill them for the supplies. The Salvation Army was giving out these supplies free of charge with no questions asked.

After hearing this story I refuse to give to the Red Cross and send all my donations to the Salvation Army. I'm know the Red Cross does some very good deeds, but this stuck with me.

/csb
//didn't RTFA

I can back this story up with personal experiences in Texas during the Viet Nam War. For all you anti-religious Farkers out there who want to make Farky comments about the Salvation Army, y'all can FOAD.

And yet... Your bs is only based on the barest hint of truth.
The Red Cross did charge for some things, yes, but at the behest of the military, and for commissary type items only in and around base or camp. Not after a disaster or in relief at a pow camp.

Citation: Link


I had only heard my story as it was passed down. I appreciate your link to Snopes as I had never heard/read that before. I'm not sure it applies 100% to my situation, but there certainly has to be some relevance.

My "bs" is true as it related to those involved. How were they to know who was ultimately responsible? All they knew was the Red Cross was going to bill them and the Salvation Army wasn't.
 
2012-11-01 07:57:51 PM  
I can't believe Red Cross is still asking people for money.

They claimed to have a surplus of funds after 9-11. Why are they still asking for money?

WHERE DID THAT 400 MILLION DOLLARS GO?
 
2012-11-01 07:58:33 PM  
I like soup.
 
2012-11-01 07:58:50 PM  
As others have said, wasn't Monday night the night of the goddam storm? I mean, I don't know how the Red Cross works, I don't know how they set up shelters and whatnot, but don't they respond to disasters after they happen, not set up everywhere something possibly could happen, in case people need shiat? Even the Red Cross can't do that.

So biatching about the Red Cross not being available to pass stuff out on the very night shiat was going down seems like douchebaggery.
 
2012-11-01 08:03:59 PM  

pciszek: OK, where can I donate money to help with disaster relief for areas hit by Sandy? Folks here have dissed the Red Cross. The Salvation Army, as I understand it, requires that people participate in religious services to receive aid. Is that true? Do they deny aid to gay people, as others here have claimed?


Check Charity Watch and Charity Navigator. There are hundreds of charities with descriptions of their charter, and detailed financial analysis. BTW - Red cross is highly rated by both. Getting charity advice on fark, is like asking farkers if Muslims are okay people.
 
2012-11-01 08:05:01 PM  

Jack_Knopf: After hearing this story I refuse to give to the Red Cross and send all my donations to the Salvation Army. I'm know the Red Cross does some very good deeds, but this stuck with me.

/csb
//didn't RTFA


If you admit to not believing in their magical skyfairy, the salvation army will just ignore you and let you die in a ditch...
 
2012-11-01 08:05:34 PM  
Ahh, The Island. New York City's own personal West Virginia.
 
2012-11-01 08:05:36 PM  
For those biatching about the Red Cross during WWII (and other stories), this snopes article is quite informative.
 
2012-11-01 08:05:47 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Sometimes, when bad publicity comes, agencies work extra hard as opposed to acting butt hurt.

If the Red Cross is the mature aid organization it wants to be, it will put the President's remarks into context. Can't be the first time that people are all bent out of shape after a disaster.


that's entirely too reasonable an assumption. this is fark, man.

i remember them defending their haiti shenanigans when it was found out they werent actually giving all the money thru their haiti hotline to haiti. so i expect less of them in general. and yeah, i dont give to them either.
 
2012-11-01 08:08:45 PM  

EnviroDude: Working at the Red Cross pays well

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3 27 7


I knew I wasn't going to be the first to mention that most of what you donate to groups like the Red Cross, Starvation Army, Humane Society, ASPCA, PETA, Greenpeace etc goes directly into the pockets of those who work there., Administrative costs they call it.
 
2012-11-01 08:12:11 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I just don't understand why naive people are so hateful about the red cross.


To make excuses for or avoid feeling guilty about not donating.
 
2012-11-01 08:12:33 PM  
Watching the borough president right now on CNN-talking to AC.
He said the Red Cross sent 10 buses today and fed them SOUP!!! hahaha
/He seemed ok with soup now
 
2012-11-01 08:20:56 PM  

Badgers: Jack_Knopf: After hearing this story I refuse to give to the Red Cross and send all my donations to the Salvation Army. I'm know the Red Cross does some very good deeds, but this stuck with me.

/csb
//didn't RTFA

If you admit to not believing in their magical skyfairy, the salvation army will just ignore you and let you die in a ditch...


Not sure about that. But I do know they will kick your butt out the door faster than you can say Jeebus if you work for them and admit to being anything other than an upstanding heterosexual sky daddy believer.

There was actually a very sad story written by a woman who was fired for admitting to be bisexual, even though she was the most effective coordinator and administrator her work group had seen in years, to the point where she actually corrected the financial negligence of the person to precede her.
 
2012-11-01 08:26:39 PM  

pxlboy: kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.

This is why I prefer to donate blood.


My house burned down in 1997 on Long Island. I was 17. The house and everything inside was a total loss, my parents had no insurance as they were renters and because of their own foolishness. The only thing we didn't lose were our lives. The Red Cross got my family, (Parents, brother, dog, cat & myself) into a hotel for a week beginning the night of the fire.

We had a lot of help from very, very generous friends, family, co-workers and school officials but the Red Cross did the following:

Provided vouchers for food (for humans and pets)

Provided 3 sets of clothing for each member of my family within 24 hours (new underwear, socks & donated articles of the rest), in the following weeks we received vouchers to buy additional clothing.

Provided access to a warehouse of furniture to completely refurnish the apartment we eventually rented.
(including brand new mattresses & box springs -- the rest of the furniture were hand me downs)

MOST IMPORTANTLY, Our case worker Alexandra provided my Mother and Father with HOPE. She provided them with support and the strengthened their will to go on after they lost everything. She told my mother, You just need to get through the next 5 minutes - tomorrow we'll worry about tomorrow. Eventually You'll be able to move on.

For that ASSHOLE to tell his constituents that based on this sole example no one should donate to the Red Cross -- fark HIM. This storm has been a tragedy. I have family members that have lost everything and I'm doing what I can for them. I'm following the example I learned from the Red Cross 15 years ago. I'm not saying there haven't been mistakes or that the Red Cross is exempt from scrutiny, but they try to help. They TRY to cut through the red tape. Their volunteers want to help.
 
2012-11-01 08:28:10 PM  
glad more people are starting to stand up to these for-profit "Charities"

the Boards for both the Red Cross and United Way need to burn in hell
 
2012-11-01 08:28:57 PM  

Head_Shot: Forgive my ignorance, but isn't Staten Island, like, A farkING ISLAND IN THE OCEAN?


So is "North America". Just bigger. What's yer point.
 
2012-11-01 08:32:52 PM  

cgraves67: What's wrong with soup?


There's no soup for you. That's what's wrong.
 
2012-11-01 08:33:14 PM  

kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.


Crap like this is why I say never give a dime to the Red Cross.

Remember 9/11? After that, there was a big telethon to raise money for the relief effort for New York, all proceeds to the Red Cross. People on TV kept saying don't give food and water and emergency supplies, give money.

So, people gave money. My mother gave several hundred dollars. She was this close to going out and buying hundreds of dollars worth of water and canned goods and such, but everyone kept saying to just give money to the Red Cross.

Then, afterwards, it came out that indeed, all the money went to the Red Cross, but the general fund, and only a small fraction of that money was spent in New York City on disaster relief. I remember to this day the announcement from the Red Cross talking about how you cannot donate to a specific relief effort or cause, only the general fund, and they don't want donations of goods, just money.

So, give them money, which they spend wherever and however they please, and only money. Or, you could try to use your money to actually help your fellow man.

Demanding money, and just money, is one reason I don't trust the Red Cross. They are more interested in the size of their bank account, and the six-figure salaries of their staff, than helping people in need. When the chips were down, they showed their true colors.

In the same vein, a few years ago, when I was basically part of the "working poor", I decided I wanted to better myself in some way and wanted to learn first aid and CPR, do something practical that might help me save a life or help my fellow man in some way. I got ahold of the local Red Cross office and asked how much it would be to get First Aid/CPR certification. It was $110. I'll be honest, I thought it would be a lot cheaper for a one-day lifesaving course given by an ostensibly non-profit charity. I didn't get the course, because for somebody making $7/hour and considering it a good week if he could get 30 hours of work, a $110 anything is just too far out of reach.

I'll find another charity to give to, one that actually helps people.
 
2012-11-01 08:35:17 PM  

kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.


When I evacuated with my extended family to Knoxville, running from Katrina, Red Cross had a station set up in three days. They handed us a food basket, medical supplies, pamplets about navigating through various gov programs, and about $350 for each adult. They acted as a stop-gap measure to help pay for our hotel room, food, and medicines. FEMA, and Louisiana Road Home Fund, is what helped the most. Those two government run programs allowed my parents to move back home, and it allowed for me to recoup the lost wages. (My apartment was on the second floor,so my stuff stayed dry.)

The way I see it, the Red Cross is a first line of help, they keep you going while the slower, more deliberate aid is distributed to those who qualify.

So, the lady receiving $350 in assistance isn't exactly telling the whole story. I wager, even if she doesn't have fire insurance, she will be helped substantially by other social safety nets, as long as we haven't gutted them.
 
2012-11-01 08:41:00 PM  
I call for the Red cross to pull out of Staten Island. They arent wanted there.
 
2012-11-01 08:41:01 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: We stopped with the Red Cross after Katrina. We mailed in a donation which, for us, was sizable and there was a box we could check that said "get an accounting of how your money was spent." There was also a box indicating why and where we wanted to donate, so we callously said Katrina (and not Chiapas or Nigeria, as we give in other ways to other parts of the world). We wanted to help out New Orleans.

We got our statement from the Red Cross six months later. Due to overwhelming donations, they didn't use our money in New Orleans, it went to Spain and somewhere else. Was pissed. In the meantime, people here in SoCal were still paying out of pocket for plane tickets for homeless people to come to L.A., and we were helping round up jobs for said displaced people. Huh? Why wouldn't the Red cross find a way to use my dollars to help New Orleans? Gotta be more creative.

Since then, I watch what they do locally (yes, they run a blood bank - but the number of ginormous blood bank trucks they've purchased just in my county is outrageous and they only use them two days a week, each). They spend virtually no money advertising when and where said trucks are going to be and then wonder about donations dropping off.

Bah. Humbug. Some of you young Farkers, get out there and start a new charity. Thanks a bunch.

(My dad says they were great in WW2 and brought cigarettes and chocolates to his armored division).


You're upset because you ended up helping someone who you didn't expect to help, but needed it anyway?
 
2012-11-01 08:44:16 PM  

Badgers: Jack_Knopf: After hearing this story I refuse to give to the Red Cross and send all my donations to the Salvation Army. I'm know the Red Cross does some very good deeds, but this stuck with me.

/csb
//didn't RTFA

If you admit to not believing in their magical skyfairy, the salvation army will just ignore you and let you die in a ditch...



Incorrect, they won't let you work for them if you are not a member of their faith, but they do help anybody, I closed my shop to get back in a rig and help deliver supplies for Sandy, my first load was portable pumps from a Navy warehouse in Jax to the outskirts of the Bronx, today I picked up a load of clothes/drygoods from a Salvation Army warehouse in South Carolina to deliver up north, neither the trailer nor any of the boxes are labeled as being from the SA, the people at the warehouse were not preachy and even offered me lunch after seeing and finding out what the the big Magen David I wear means.

/how bout some of you stop spouting off and start helping out, I know most can't close their businesses for a week and hop into a semi but you can do smaller things,
//Oh and how about you members of the fark athiest brigade stop biatching about how people help and maybe start your own charity, if ya all can raise 15K to buy Joe a bird.....
 
2012-11-01 08:44:38 PM  
Where is Wolf Blitzer, "so rich, so white"?
 
2012-11-01 08:46:38 PM  

thepostess: Lost_in_Oregon: Sandy was caused by a secret weather control weapon the ultra-rightwingers have.

The right-wingers control the "gay" weapon?


I thought Obama was the one with the weather control satellite?
 
2012-11-01 08:47:42 PM  

randomjsa: Don't worry. Red Cross has been on my "never give a dime to" list for over a decade now.


Would you anti-Red-Cross types explain yourselves please? Wtf is with the total distrust of every single established institution of American life? Fair enough if you've got cause - just please, for my betterment, explain to me what it is??
 
2012-11-01 08:51:12 PM  
While I don't have any particular reason to hate Red Cross, I found its response to the people of Ohio who wanted to donate food and clothing to them after this disaster to be somewhat rude.

It reminded me of a somebody who comes up to you on the street and says that he is hungry and asks for some money. Then when you offer to take him into the diner right there, he says that he doesn't want food and that he wants money. Basically, at that point, you know the money is going to drugs or booze and not food.

Yeah. Pretty much smells the same.
 
2012-11-01 08:53:00 PM  
Eating soup is how you know it's bad, huh? Instead of, say, gnawing on a drowned rat because you haven't eaten for days.
 
2012-11-01 08:53:40 PM  

that was my nickname in highschool: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

[citation needed]


My grandfather was a WWII vet. He was combat infantry in Europe.

After being in the field for a few months, they got to a town that had a Red Cross booth with coffee and donuts.

But the Red Cross would only give those to the officers. Nothing for the enlisted.

Grandpa used to talk about the Red Cross using the same terms he used for the Nazis.

I wont give the Red Cross anything. They're a bloated bureaucracy that spends most of their money sending staff to conferences at 5 star hotels with fancy meals and drinks. Fark them.

The Salvation Army is a lot better. I don't like the religious aspect, however, donations truly go to those who need them.
 
2012-11-01 08:55:27 PM  

Badgers: Jack_Knopf: After hearing this story I refuse to give to the Red Cross and send all my donations to the Salvation Army. I'm know the Red Cross does some very good deeds, but this stuck with me.

/csb
//didn't RTFA

If you admit to not believing in their magical skyfairy, the salvation army will just ignore you and let you die in a ditch...


Yeah, citation needed on that one, too. Nice try, though, jackass.
 
2012-11-01 08:58:15 PM  

kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.


According to Forbes, they have 92% efficiency.
 
2012-11-01 08:58:31 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: While I don't have any particular reason to hate Red Cross, I found its response to the people of Ohio who wanted to donate food and clothing to them after this disaster to be somewhat rude.

It reminded me of a somebody who comes up to you on the street and says that he is hungry and asks for some money. Then when you offer to take him into the diner right there, he says that he doesn't want food and that he wants money. Basically, at that point, you know the money is going to drugs or booze and not food.

Yeah. Pretty much smells the same.


Yeah, but it makes sense. Look, if it's a local thing, i.e. a community center collecting food, clothing, whatever for recipients in that community, it's easy enough to organize. But can you imagine the organizational challenges associated with redistributing blankets and canned goods in an emergency? How much staff time would be devoted just to moving these things around - or hell, counting them?? It doesn't make sense at scale. Sure, we all grew up on canned food drives, and it makes us feel all fuzzy and whatnot, but that isn't a reason for accusing a disaster relief organization of unethical behavior.

I'm farking sick of it - half of American society seems hellbent on deconstructing the institutional structure of civilization, for what reason I have no idea. Probably because the mission statement doesn't mention Jesus, or something.
 
2012-11-01 08:59:37 PM  

EnviroDude: Working at the Red Cross pays well

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3 27 7


Go derrp somewhere else
 
2012-11-01 08:59:54 PM  

CujoQuarrel: for disaster relief I give to the Salvation Army


This.

I don't believe in Jebus any more than I believe in FSM, but I can tell you that when Katrina hit, the Jebus freaks with the Salvation Army had people already staged inside the state with stockpiles of food and supplies, ready to go immediately after the storm.
 
2012-11-01 09:01:57 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: While I don't have any particular reason to hate Red Cross, I found its response to the people of Ohio who wanted to donate food and clothing to them after this disaster to be somewhat rude.

It reminded me of a somebody who comes up to you on the street and says that he is hungry and asks for some money. Then when you offer to take him into the diner right there, he says that he doesn't want food and that he wants money. Basically, at that point, you know the money is going to drugs or booze and not food.

Yeah. Pretty much smells the same.


More like handing a homeless guy an electric lamp, but whatever.
 
2012-11-01 09:03:40 PM  
Where is the red cross? Enjoying the cash it raked in on 9/11 and never paid out to the victims families. I seem to remember them saying something like "we are going to keep most of it, for a future disaster", instead of giving it to the families like it was intended when given.

/tho i may be wrong.
 
2012-11-01 09:04:25 PM  
Why just pick on them? Where is Knights of Columbus? The Red Hot Chili Peppers? The hot teacher form 3rd grade.

That guy sounds a little too bootstrappy to me
 
2012-11-01 09:06:44 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: While I don't have any particular reason to hate Red Cross, I found its response to the people of Ohio who wanted to donate food and clothing to them after this disaster to be somewhat rude.

It reminded me of a somebody who comes up to you on the street and says that he is hungry and asks for some money. Then when you offer to take him into the diner right there, he says that he doesn't want food and that he wants money. Basically, at that point, you know the money is going to drugs or booze and not food.

Yeah. Pretty much smells the same.


They have millions of people in need. They need to load up trucks and get them moving. I expect they have centralized warehouses at which they load up pre-packaged supplies with forklifts by the pallet-load. Doing this would make it quick and efficient. The cooks at destination sites know what is coming, and probably have streamlined processes to make it and get it served.

Or, you know, they could stop at every neighborhood can drive to pick up whatever random donations people drop off, sort them for expiration, category, etc. Then they could sort that mismatched pile into some kind of shippable configuration, and then take it somewhere.

Meanwhile, the cooks they've got at the destination sites have no idea what is arriving, what quantity, quality, variety, etc. Because they don't know what is being donated, they don't know what will be required to cook it, prepare it, or serve it.

Do you want an efficient, streamlined, rapid response, or do you want to feel good about donating your own little 2 cans of cream of mushroom soup?
 
2012-11-01 09:08:15 PM  

braedan: pxlboy: kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.

This is why I prefer to donate blood.

My house burned down in 1997 on Long Island. I was 17. The house and everything inside was a total loss, my parents had no insurance as they were renters and because of their own foolishness. The only thing we didn't lose were our lives. The Red Cross got my family, (Parents, brother, dog, cat & myself) into a hotel for a week beginning the night of the fire.

We had a lot of help from very, very generous friends, family, co-workers and school officials but the Red Cross did the following:

Provided vouchers for food (for humans and pets)

Provided 3 sets of clothing for each member of my family within 24 hours (new underwear, socks & donated articles of the rest), in the following weeks we received vouchers to buy additional clothing.

Provided access to a warehouse of furniture to completely refurnish the apartment we eventually rented.
(including brand new mattresses & box springs -- the rest of the furniture were hand me downs)

MOST IMPORTANTLY, Our case worker Alexandra provided my Mother and Father with HOPE. She provided them with support and the strengthened their will to go on after they lost everything. She told my mother, You just need to get through the next 5 minutes - tomorrow we'll worry about tomorrow. Eventually You'll be able to move on.

For that ASSHOLE to tell his constituents that based on this sole example no one should donate to the Red Cross -- fark HIM. This storm has been a tragedy. I have family members that have lost everyt ...


This story should be read by every one of the haters. Thanks for sharing, bro, seriously.
 
2012-11-01 09:24:16 PM  
Actually it sounded to me like the President of Staten Island was: in a state of shock, pumped up on adrenalin, and hysterically running off at the mouth.

What in the hell could have gotten him so worked up?

Oh . . .yeah.

He'd JUST gotten back from walking about in his destroyed community.

(always a shocker - seeing devastation - where only yesterday - was normalcy)

He'd seen dogs searching for the dead.

People wandering about shoeless and suffering.

People trying to make soup in some sort of bootstrappy fashion.

Realized there were folks - lots of them - trapped in the water under their crushed homes.

And while he might be the "President of Staten Island" - he's also just another human being - and one whose job primarily has him spending his time being a desk jockey.

He's gone from saying, "Okay Jim. Let's meet for lunch on Tuesday and finalize this" while leaning back in his desk chair, with everything in his world comfortably under control - to asking in a stunned voice "Uh. Isn't that trapped people screaming for help? Why is no one getting them out?" and the sudden realization that a whole lot of hurting folks are now looking at him for these "up close and personal" answers.

Answers he does NOT have.

The man is overwhelmed. And he's FREAKING OUT.

He has every right to be.

The ocean just ate his world.

Seems to me we could all cut him some slack.

The folks in his community need help. For the trapped folks it is a matter of life and death. He gets THAT.

That "his people" NEED HELP NOW!

He'd thought disaster relief showed up relatively FAST - like an ambulance. It didn't.

The needed help for Staten Island STILL hadn't shown up . . .

Yet NOW he was hearing - about great efforts already in place - to keep a marathon - from being cancelled?
(gotta be honest - that would've been crazy-making for me too)

What I took from the article was: The folks in Staten Island - desperately need help NOW - rather than later.
 
2012-11-01 09:26:12 PM  

bikerific: Benjimin_Dover: While I don't have any particular reason to hate Red Cross, I found its response to the people of Ohio who wanted to donate food and clothing to them after this disaster to be somewhat rude.

It reminded me of a somebody who comes up to you on the street and says that he is hungry and asks for some money. Then when you offer to take him into the diner right there, he says that he doesn't want food and that he wants money. Basically, at that point, you know the money is going to drugs or booze and not food.

Yeah. Pretty much smells the same.

They have millions of people in need. They need to load up trucks and get them moving. I expect they have centralized warehouses at which they load up pre-packaged supplies with forklifts by the pallet-load. Doing this would make it quick and efficient. The cooks at destination sites know what is coming, and probably have streamlined processes to make it and get it served.

Or, you know, they could stop at every neighborhood can drive to pick up whatever random donations people drop off, sort them for expiration, category, etc. Then they could sort that mismatched pile into some kind of shippable configuration, and then take it somewhere.

Meanwhile, the cooks they've got at the destination sites have no idea what is arriving, what quantity, quality, variety, etc. Because they don't know what is being donated, they don't know what will be required to cook it, prepare it, or serve it.

Do you want an efficient, streamlined, rapid response, or do you want to feel good about donating your own little 2 cans of cream of mushroom soup?


The stuff being donated by the people in Ohio doesn't necessarily HAVE to be what goes to this area. That stuff could go into the Red Cross inventory and stuff that is already in there can go. Also, money that would have been spent on materials elsewhere for food and clothing now can be diverted to this area.

Stuff goes into one side of the Red Cross, other stuff comes out the other side.

Logistics: How does it work?

The same thing happens with blood donations. Your son is in the hospital and needs blood. You donating blood to help him doesn't mean YOUR blood goes in his arm.
 
2012-11-01 09:28:01 PM  

xynix: I don't think they understand how the Red Cross works. They Red Cross are not first responders. During Katrina it took them two weeks before they got to New Orleans. What they DID do though was hang out on the edge like in Baton Rouge, Lafayette, as far away as Houston and built places where people could lay their heads for a week or so while things got to a somewhat normal state.

Volunteers should not be in a disaster area until things are stabilized. To think of Joe Jones, average RC volunteer, trouncing through flood waters with broken gas lines is ludicrous. These people are just looking for someone to blame for their OWN failings in preparation for what people said was going to happen sooner or later. Are you ready now fark face?


So you're saying that in the inevitable zombie outbreak, Red Cross WON'T be on the frontline handing out ammo?

Well, damnit, who will? Because they're getting my dollar. I want my dollar to put a bullet through some zombie's skull, anything less is misappropriation in my book.
 
2012-11-01 09:28:03 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: bikerific: Benjimin_Dover: While I don't have any particular reason to hate Red Cross, I found its response to the people of Ohio who wanted to donate food and clothing to them after this disaster to be somewhat rude.

It reminded me of a somebody who comes up to you on the street and says that he is hungry and asks for some money. Then when you offer to take him into the diner right there, he says that he doesn't want food and that he wants money. Basically, at that point, you know the money is going to drugs or booze and not food.

Yeah. Pretty much smells the same.

They have millions of people in need. They need to load up trucks and get them moving. I expect they have centralized warehouses at which they load up pre-packaged supplies with forklifts by the pallet-load. Doing this would make it quick and efficient. The cooks at destination sites know what is coming, and probably have streamlined processes to make it and get it served.

Or, you know, they could stop at every neighborhood can drive to pick up whatever random donations people drop off, sort them for expiration, category, etc. Then they could sort that mismatched pile into some kind of shippable configuration, and then take it somewhere.

Meanwhile, the cooks they've got at the destination sites have no idea what is arriving, what quantity, quality, variety, etc. Because they don't know what is being donated, they don't know what will be required to cook it, prepare it, or serve it.

Do you want an efficient, streamlined, rapid response, or do you want to feel good about donating your own little 2 cans of cream of mushroom soup?

The stuff being donated by the people in Ohio doesn't necessarily HAVE to be what goes to this area. That stuff could go into the Red Cross inventory and stuff that is already in there can go. Also, money that would have been spent on materials elsewhere for food and clothing now can be diverted to this area.

Stuff goes into one side of the Red Cross, other s ...


Also, many people are hurting all over the place and may not have money to give but have clothes, blankets, and other things that they can part with. Telling them to go get bent is just dumb.
 
2012-11-01 09:35:03 PM  
Did they really tell them to get bent? As far as I can tell, they told them they accept monetary rather than durable goods donations. Those two things are not the same thing.
 
2012-11-01 09:36:18 PM  
I have grown up with uncles and their friends that served in WWII and Korea.
None of them ever had a nice thing to say about the red cross.
If a disaster happens locally, and a local charity is started to help, I will donate to it.
 
2012-11-01 09:36:23 PM  

braedan: My house burned down in 1997 on Long Island. I was 17. The house and everything inside was a total loss, my parents had no insurance as they were renters and because of their own foolishness. The only thing we didn't lose were our lives. The Red Cross got my family, (Parents, brother, dog, cat & myself) into a hotel for a week beginning the night of the fire.

We had a lot of help from very, very generous friends, family, co-workers and school officials but the Red Cross did the following:

Provided vouchers for food (for humans and pets)

Provided 3 sets of clothing for each member of my family within 24 hours (new underwear, socks & donated articles of the rest), in the following weeks we received vouchers to buy additional clothing.

Provided access to a warehouse of furniture to completely refurnish the apartment we eventually rented.
(including brand new mattresses & box springs -- the rest of the furniture were hand me downs)

MOST IMPORTANTLY, Our case worker Alexandra provided my Mother and Father with HOPE. She provided them with support and the strengthened their will to go on after they lost everything. She told my mother, You just need to get through the next 5 minutes - tomorrow we'll worry about tomorrow. Eventually You'll be able to move on.


See, the Red Cross is evil, Borough President James Molinaro. You are NOT a douchebag.
 
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