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2012-11-01 05:54:54 PM

kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.


This is why I prefer to donate blood.
 
2012-11-01 05:55:18 PM

faultytower: Is it too late just to have Staten Island sink into the water?


Too soon, man.
 
2012-11-01 05:58:30 PM

pxlboy: This is why I prefer to donate blood.


Let's start a rumor:

Red Cross administrators drink, on average, 36% of donated blood. After you account for spillage and theft, less than 30% makes it to needy individuals.
 
2012-11-01 05:58:50 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: that was my nickname in highschool: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

[citation needed]

Notice it was a question. My grandfather told me they did, and he seemed to hold a lifelong grudge against them.

I'll look it up later, when I'm not on a mobile.


a story from the beginning of the year... Link he was probably angry about this, as most of the service men were
 
2012-11-01 05:59:15 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

fark em.


My father was on the USS Enterprise (CVN 65) when an aircraft blew up on the flight deck. The Red Cross and the Salvation Army were brought to the ship for disaster relief. The Salvation Army provided soup and coffee. The Red Cross sold donuts.

/NSCSB
 
2012-11-01 05:59:20 PM

namatad: kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.

so dont donate to any large charities? anyone working for a charity should do for free?
I dont understand your point. How many families/houses were destroyed?
please give us the math.
thanks


Covering operational expenses is fine. Just not when part of those expenses are six-figure salaries for those at the top.
 
2012-11-01 05:59:25 PM

that was my nickname in highschool: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

[citation needed]


I was going to go with a simple "WUT?"
But I too would enjoy reading about this further...
 
2012-11-01 05:59:41 PM
Well, the Red Cross did pull some fraudulent shiat after 9/11... I don't trust still don't trust them due to that, I'd imagine many New Yorkers would feel the same.
 
2012-11-01 06:00:09 PM

freewill: pxlboy: This is why I prefer to donate blood.

Let's start a rumor:

Red Cross administrators drink, on average, 36% of donated blood. After you account for spillage and theft, less than 30% makes it to needy individuals.


upload.wikimedia.org

/agrees, but thinks it's a vampire pyramid scheme
 
2012-11-01 06:02:00 PM
Does this guy even know how emergency response works? Yikes. Talk about trying to hurt one of the few remaining service organizations by slandering them for something they cannot control.
 
2012-11-01 06:02:17 PM
They waste money on crack.
 
2012-11-01 06:03:26 PM
Get on a bus to Houston.
 
2012-11-01 06:04:36 PM
I haven't given a penny to the Red Cross since I learned that they played the leading role in creating the AIDS epidemic.
 
2012-11-01 06:04:48 PM

filter: Hilarious, when Romney wants govt out of services.... who needs FEMA when you have the red cross?


Yeah. We can just get rid of FEMA and let the states and charities handle everything. Oh, wait, the Red Cross sucks now, too? Oh well, EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!
 
2012-11-01 06:05:26 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Didn't know Staten Island had its own president. Did that happen recently?


He came to power after the Apocalypse .
 
2012-11-01 06:05:36 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: I haven't given a penny to the Red Cross since I learned that they played the leading role in creating the AIDS epidemic.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-01 06:06:12 PM

Burning_Monk: Zarquon's Flat Tire: that was my nickname in highschool: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

[citation needed]

Notice it was a question. My grandfather told me they did, and he seemed to hold a lifelong grudge against them.

I'll look it up later, when I'm not on a mobile.

Snopes says, TRUE (kinda).


Thanks, knowing my grandfather he was probably pissed about ciggarette part.
 
2012-11-01 06:06:51 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Is it too late to give staten island to jersey?


They tried. Jersey didn't want it.

/This is in fact true.*

*I do not know whether or not this is true.
 
2012-11-01 06:07:47 PM
Also, I once hooked up with a girl from Staten Island. It was the lowest point in my life.

/This is in fact true.*

*Sadly, it really is.
 
2012-11-01 06:07:59 PM

lordmoon: namatad: kmg8181: A good friend of my family lost her house due to massive wildfires in my area about 2 years ago. The local red cross office received over half a million dollars locally in fundraisers for those families affected. She ended up getting about $350 in relief from them, and she received more than most, seeing as how she had lost everything. When the red cross gets donations, those donations go to pay their administration first and go to relief a very distant second.

so dont donate to any large charities? anyone working for a charity should do for free?
I dont understand your point. How many families/houses were destroyed?
please give us the math.
thanks

Covering operational expenses is fine. Just not when part of those expenses are six-figure salaries for those at the top.


I dislike corporate culture more than the next guy, but is there some reason you think the people running and organizing an international charity that deals with millions of dollars daily should earn less than a plumber? If we're talking 700k+ salaries, okay, yeah. But 6 figures? Anywhere from 100-250k seems just as reasonable to me for that type of work as it does for private practice doctor's and plumbing contractors.
 
2012-11-01 06:09:35 PM

randomjsa: Don't worry. Red Cross has been on my "never give a dime to" list for over a decade now.


Yea, we now. All your charity money goes to the NRA and the "Fark alt burn victims reparation fund".
 
2012-11-01 06:09:36 PM
I was at the South Shore yesterday, people were buried in their homes. There the dogs are trying to find bodies. The people there, the neighbors who had no electricity, were making soup. Making soup.

No hurricane relief for you! Come back one year!

/NEXT
 
2012-11-01 06:09:52 PM
The Red Cross screwed NY after 9/11, so why should it be any different now?

They're a fundraising organization at this point. They have huge administrative expenses, and really are more of a brand than a relief organization. They do, however, have an excellent media outreach organization, which is what matters.

The salvation army does a much better job for substantially less.
 
2012-11-01 06:10:14 PM

EnviroDude: Working at the Red Cross pays well

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3 27 7


No, they don't.
 
2012-11-01 06:10:37 PM

filter: Hilarious, when Romney wants govt out of services.... who needs FEMA when you have the red cross?


==========

Ah yes, this is a fine example of how the "invisible hand" has the answer to all problems. I'm sure the Red Cross is hauling industrial sized pumps up to NYC as we speak to pump the sea water out of the tunnels. Who needs Big FEMA Bird?
 
2012-11-01 06:11:29 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: that was my nickname in highschool: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

[citation needed]

Notice it was a question. My grandfather told me they did, and he seemed to hold a lifelong grudge against them.

I'll look it up later, when I'm not on a mobile.


Just don't ask him about the farking donuts.
 
2012-11-01 06:11:55 PM

JerkStore: I'm honestly really sorry about the damage, and while I can't imagine what it's like to lose one's house, it must be awful. If that's you, I'm sorry.

However, these folks in New York and New Jersey sure seem whiny as hell about it. On the radio, on the TV, and every time a reporter shows up, all they do is whine about how awful it is and how nobody's helping them and what are they going to do? I don't recall all those poor folks in New Orleans being such crybabies after Katrina. Seriously, i thought New Yorkers were tough? Enough with the whining and expecting miracles from volunteers. Nobody owes you anything, by the way.



Nice generalization. Would you expect to hear all that much from the majority non-whining portion of the population? Crowds of people swarming reporters to yell into the cameras "DOIN' FINE!!!"?

/Yes, this guy is obviously an idiot with a bunch of misplaced frustration
 
2012-11-01 06:12:02 PM
My boyfriend and I were recently discussing taking some renewal courses for CPR and First Aid Training. I also wanted to get certification for Pet First Aid, as we have two cats and a blind basset hound (my baby girl, Stormin' Norma Jean... the pic in my profile is a couple of years ago before she had both eyes removed due to severe glaucoma). So I called the local Red Cross Chapter here in Pierre. Turns out that they do not even have enough volunteers to keep the office open on most days, much less to hold classes.

So, like everything else in this state, I would have to drive a few hours to take a couple of courses that I could read the literature and probably find videos online to self-teach. Sure, I won't have that card that says I know what I am doing, but if my bf drops to the ground and stops breathing, that piece of paper isn't as important as helping him until the professionals can.

/going for a 911 call center position.... probably get certified that way, anywho
 
2012-11-01 06:12:46 PM
Oh no, they didn't have fresh shoes and socks as people arrived to the shelters! Jesus, usually they see what people need then get it to them, but now they have to anticipate and have everything there or NOT A PENNY FOR THEM! Why don't you wait for the Romney bus then?
 
2012-11-01 06:13:59 PM

xynix: I don't think they understand how the Red Cross works. They Red Cross are not first responders. During Katrina it took them two weeks before they got to New Orleans. What they DID do though was hang out on the edge like in Baton Rouge, Lafayette, as far away as Houston and built places where people could lay their heads for a week or so while things got to a somewhat normal state.

Volunteers should not be in a disaster area until things are stabilized. To think of Joe Jones, average RC volunteer, trouncing through flood waters with broken gas lines is ludicrous. These people are just looking for someone to blame for their OWN failings in preparation for what people said was going to happen sooner or later. Are you ready now fark face?


Pretty much this. I remember people skipping the Red Cross for other charities during the Haiti earthquake because of the idea that they simply didn't work fast enough. And frankly, they don't. However--they do end up providing the relief the other charities in the case of Haiti accidentally lost. Or couldn't account for.
 
2012-11-01 06:14:03 PM
This is inevitable. Organizations like the Red Cross are going to put their money where it can do the most good, and they can't be everywhere. Situations where people who gave money see that money go elsewhere even when they are in need are going to happen. If you want to make sure your money only gets spent on you, don't donate it. If you want to make sure it only gets spent locally, only donate it to local area organizations.
 
2012-11-01 06:14:13 PM
Hello. My name is James Molinaro. I have a burning desire to be remembered as a nitwit for shooting off my mouth about a natural disaster.
 
2012-11-01 06:18:07 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

fark em.


I don't know about that, but my Great Uncle was at Pearl when it was bombed and the farking Red Cross was charging sailors $.10 a cup for coffee ($0.10 in 1941 had the same buying power as $1.60 in 2012. Annual inflation over this period was 3.98% Source). All the rest of the years of his life, he didn't have a nice thing to say about them. I'm guessing he saw much worse than the coffee incident, but being the gentleman he was, he just didn't discuss it.
 
2012-11-01 06:19:13 PM
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2012-11-01 06:19:27 PM

GoldDude: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Aren't they the ones who charged soldiers for donated bandages in WWII?

fark em.

I remember hearing stories similar to this from my parents/grandparents.
Now, the Salvation Army on the other hand, actually gets their hands dirty, and genuinely help.
Though I'm pretty much agnostic, I do (financially) support the Salvation Army for helping those that most of us would just like to try to pretend don't exist (homeless, drug addicts, abused women, etc.)


... Unless they're gay.
 
2012-11-01 06:19:39 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: lordmoon: namatad: kmg8181:

Covering operational expenses is fine. Just not when part of those expenses are six-figure salaries for those at the top.

I dislike corporate culture more than the next guy, but is there some reason you think the people running and organizing an international charity that deals with millions of dollars daily should earn less than a plumber? If we're talking 700k+ salaries, okay, yeah. But 6 figures? Anywhere from 100-250k seems just as reasonable to me for that type of work as it does for private practice doctor's and plumbing contractors.


Red Cross CEO is making about $500k.
 
2012-11-01 06:20:42 PM

Warthog: Also, I once hooked up with a girl from Staten Island. It was the lowest point in my life.

/This is in fact true.*

*Sadly, it really is.


I've taken visitors on the obligatory Staten Island Ferry ride many times.

I should really leave the terminal and take a walk sometime.

JerkStore: However, these folks in New York and New Jersey sure seem whiny as hell about it. On the radio, on the TV, and every time a reporter shows up, all they do is whine about how awful it is and how nobody's helping them and what are they going to do? I don't recall all those poor folks in New Orleans being such crybabies after Katrina. Seriously, i thought New Yorkers were tough? Enough with the whining and expecting miracles from volunteers. Nobody owes you anything, by the way.


The first time something like this ever happens to your community, it feels that way. It just does. No matter how many times you've seen it on the news, it feels a little bit like the apocalypse has come and nobody cares.

Also, I think virtually everybody in America was being a crybaby after Katrina, but especially local officials, stamping their feet and avoiding accountability as fast as they could.
 
2012-11-01 06:21:25 PM
my Dad was a Marine in WWII. on his last day of service he and others were lined up ready to go when they got shook down for $10.00 a head to cover the cost of a shaving kit or some b.s. that the Red Cross supposedly gave the servicemen. my Dad hated the R.C. from that day on. $10 was a lot of money to a guy back then, especially when the bulk of your pay went home to feed your brothers and sisters.

/better dead than Red
 
2012-11-01 06:23:12 PM

PainInTheASP: "You know, I went to a shelter Monday night after the storm. People were coming in with no socks, with no shoes. They were in desperate need. Their housing was destroyed. They were crying. Where was the Red Cross?"

Translation:

HOW DARE THEY WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE STORM PASSES TO BEGIN TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE?!?!


Remember, these *are* New Yorkers we're talking about....
 
2012-11-01 06:24:43 PM
Had an Uncle who said never to give a dime to the Red Cross.

He was working as a EU Government official in the 90's and was stationed in Kenya/ Somalia. Somalia was deep in a humanitarian crisis and the Red Cross had collected large amounts of money for relief. What the RCdid was rent out suites for all staff at the at the Hilton in Nairobi and then proceeded to spend every last dime that had been dedicated for relief on living like kings and taking private jets to attend conferences to talk about relief in Somalia. As soon as the money ran out they all packed up and went home having never helped anyone but themselves and never having set foot in Somalia. They spent millions.
 
2012-11-01 06:26:38 PM

EnviroDude: Working at the Red Cross pays well

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3 27 7


your a weird bugger to read.

that being said... yeah wtf is this guy railing on about? i read his blurb through drudge earlier today and i still don't get it.

i see your point that not all charities are equal/actually charitable, and the red cross has HAD to repeat MANY times over the last few years that 'todays' donations go to tomorrows disaster... so what put a bug up this guys individual butt is my question. is he really that butthurt over manhattan having precedence, or maybe priority in response effort? or are you just as cynical as i am and don't donate anything to anyone?

i just don't understand mr envirodude and would like your help guiding the unbridled rage.
 
2012-11-01 06:29:18 PM

lordmoon: I have a hard time donating cash to any "nonprofit" organization where some of its members make a six-plus figure salary. Blood and goods are okay though.


This.
 
2012-11-01 06:29:50 PM
The Red Cross jumped the shark ages ago. Thievin' carnts.

They got pinged for some major league diversion of funds regarding a recent-ish disaster appeal over here. Of course when they realised something was amiss with their accounting got caught the Red Cross held a sombre press conference and said they were very very sorry. So sorry that they blatantly piggybacked a disaster to get some revenue stream thickening. So very very sorry. Please can we have more money now.

Nothing but the best for their management level staff [and not just the Red Cross - it's sickeningly rife]. Malcolm Fraser, ex PM and founder of *laughs* Care Australia, once jumped on a near empty jet on his charity's coin coz he needed to get to a meeting. Unrepentant he was, too. Carnt.

Although it doesn't always pay to fly 1st class when you're swanning around to your important charity meetings at 5 star hotels. 

// apologies for the complete lack of links, gym in 26
 
2012-11-01 06:33:04 PM
There is a problem here and a lot of people are clueless.

The Red Cross is a first responder.

Their mission is to provide services as soon as possible. For disasters that had some early notice their people and resources are moved into secure areas in advance so that they can provide aid and support immediately. While they do provide ongoing support, they have always been first responders. They even have joint authority with FEMA.
 
2012-11-01 06:35:17 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: We stopped with the Red Cross after Katrina. We mailed in a donation which, for us, was sizable and there was a box we could check that said "get an accounting of how your money was spent." There was also a box indicating why and where we wanted to donate, so we callously said Katrina (and not Chiapas or Nigeria, as we give in other ways to other parts of the world). We wanted to help out New Orleans.

We got our statement from the Red Cross six months later. Due to overwhelming donations, they didn't use our money in New Orleans, it went to Spain and somewhere else. Was pissed. In the meantime, people here in SoCal were still paying out of pocket for plane tickets for homeless people to come to L.A., and we were helping round up jobs for said displaced people. Huh? Why wouldn't the Red cross find a way to use my dollars to help New Orleans? Gotta be more creative.

Since then, I watch what they do locally (yes, they run a blood bank - but the number of ginormous blood bank trucks they've purchased just in my county is outrageous and they only use them two days a week, each). They spend virtually no money advertising when and where said trucks are going to be and then wonder about donations dropping off.

Bah. Humbug. Some of you young Farkers, get out there and start a new charity. Thanks a bunch.

(My dad says they were great in WW2 and brought cigarettes and chocolates to his armored division).


Cancer sticks and diabetes gateway drugs?
 
2012-11-01 06:35:34 PM
This thread has been most educational.
 
2012-11-01 06:36:41 PM

lordmoon: I have a hard time donating cash to any "nonprofit" organization where some of its members make a six-plus figure salary. Blood and goods are okay though.


Exactly Autism Speaks is one of them. PLEASE Do not donate to them Try ASAN instead!
 
2012-11-01 06:37:32 PM

lordmoon: Red Cross CEO is making about $500k.


That's less than a veteran journeyman reliever on a mediocre small-market MLB roster. To run a worldwide aid organization. Someone with those capabilities could easily make ten times that. Running the Red Cross isn't what I'd call a quick way to get rich.

If the Red Cross has any serious scandals I'm all ears, but I've yet to hear of one that clears the derp.
 
2012-11-01 06:39:40 PM

JerkStore: I'm honestly really sorry about the damage, and while I can't imagine what it's like to lose one's house, it must be awful. If that's you, I'm sorry.

However, these folks in New York and New Jersey sure seem whiny as hell about it. On the radio, on the TV, and every time a reporter shows up, all they do is whine about how awful it is and how nobody's helping them and what are they going to do? I don't recall all those poor folks in New Orleans being such crybabies after Katrina. Seriously, i thought New Yorkers were tough? Enough with the whining and expecting miracles from volunteers. Nobody owes you anything, by the way.


You don't hear too many complaints coming out of Manhattan. It turns out all those crazy taxes they pay actually did something.
 
2012-11-01 06:39:58 PM

madgonad: There is a problem here and a lot of people are clueless.

The Red Cross is a first responder.

Their mission is to provide services as soon as possible. For disasters that had some early notice their people and resources are moved into secure areas in advance so that they can provide aid and support immediately. While they do provide ongoing support, they have always been first responders. They even have joint authority with FEMA.


That's what I thought I heard from volunteers here who are constantly describing themselves as first responders with training (then when you give them a blank stare, they say, "we're Red Cross.")

I_C_Weener: Atypical Person Reading Fark: We stopped with the Red Cross after Katrina. We mailed in a donation which, for us, was sizable and there was a box we could check that said "get an accounting of how your money was spent." There was also a box indicating why and where we wanted to donate, so we callously said Katrina (and not Chiapas or Nigeria, as we give in other ways to other parts of the world). We wanted to help out New Orleans.

We got our statement from the Red Cross six months later. Due to overwhelming donations, they didn't use our money in New Orleans, it went to Spain and somewhere else. Was pissed. In the meantime, people here in SoCal were still paying out of pocket for plane tickets for homeless people to come to L.A., and we were helping round up jobs for said displaced people. Huh? Why wouldn't the Red cross find a way to use my dollars to help New Orleans? Gotta be more creative.

Since then, I watch what they do locally (yes, they run a blood bank - but the number of ginormous blood bank trucks they've purchased just in my county is outrageous and they only use them two days a week, each). They spend virtually no money advertising when and where said trucks are going to be and then wonder about donations dropping off.

Bah. Humbug. Some of you young Farkers, get out there and start a new charity. Thanks a bunch.

(My dad says they were great in WW2 and brought cigarettes and chocolates to his armored division).

Cancer sticks and diabetes gateway drugs?


Yeah - well, he says the chocolate was more the consistency of ex-lax. He also complains about them charging for other services and his brother, who was in the Pacific, came back with a real dislike of them (and he was always a mild guy who liked most people and organizations).

I have many friends who are with the Salvation Army and while I respect their model to some degree, the crazy religiosity behind it (particularly their anti-gay sermons, teachings and policies) really bug. My friend is actually a mental health service provider who is S.A. and treats S.A. officers with, let's say, mental health problems (alcohol mostly). Not that you can't have a charity run by alcoholics! Most any organization can be well run by alcoholics, amirite?
 
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