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(Mother Jones)   Seven unlikely but interesting electoral college scenarios. Includes a 269/269 tie where Congress gives us Romney/Biden   (motherjones.com) divider line 18
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2012-11-01 12:58:28 PM
2 votes:

balki1867: alltim: FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.

All that re-enactin' wasn't for nothing.

Psh if they try to leave this time, let 'em go. We can just enjoy the lower taxes we now have thanks to not having to subsidize them.

Fark might have to replace the 'Florida' tag with a 'Confederacy' tag though.


Except this time it wouldn't be

upload.wikimedia.org,

so much as it would resemble

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-11-01 12:39:39 PM
2 votes:
I have an intuition if Obama wins in the electoral college but loses the popular vote, it won't be a squeaker in the electoral college. He'll lose the popular vote on the backs of the Midwest and South voting going super-red, pull through in most swing states, and end up with 300+ electoral votes.

A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.
2012-11-01 03:45:22 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.


Not scheduled until 2016 to 2019. First the food riots, then the crackdown, then civil war.

We've got a computer model forecast....
2012-11-01 02:43:58 PM
1 votes:

moefuggenbrew: Maybe that's what this country needs....two presidents....lock them in a room...tell them to sort the shiat out...eliminate pesky house and senate process....if Romney and Obama can agree on something, ANYTHING, it's a step toward progress.


When one side is wrong compromise like that will just mean everything we do is half wrong.
2012-11-01 02:28:10 PM
1 votes:

thornhill: I think the most they'll do is insist that election validated that more Americans than not disagreed with Obama's policies, and that Obama needs to keep that in mind over the next four years. And when they refuse to deal with Obama on the budget, they'll claim that the election proved that the American public at large is on their side.

I mean, nothing the GOP does surprises me, but it's going to be pretty awkward for them to go as far as claiming that Obama's election was legitimate because he lost the popular vote when just 12 years ago Bush won the exact same way.


The GOP (and Fox News, in particular) aren't exactly known for their long-term memory. Regardless of what happened with Bush, I have no doubt that a very vocal part of the party would argue against the EC, including Romney and Ryan.
2012-11-01 01:55:26 PM
1 votes:

hdhale: Likely the whole thing will be settled by the courts. Unlike last time, the Republicans will not graciously concede disputed states...assuming of course those leading the party actually believe what they are saying about Obama.


I'm kinda surprised no one is talking about this.

I imagine that even if Obama wins by a huge margin in the EC -- several states worth -- the GOP will go to court in every state that the spread is 2 or less, which could be many states.
2012-11-01 01:51:40 PM
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: I have an intuition if Obama wins in the electoral college but loses the popular vote, it won't be a squeaker in the electoral college. He'll lose the popular vote on the backs of the Midwest and South voting going super-red, pull through in most swing states, and end up with 300+ electoral votes.

A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.


There will be a limit to how much the GOP can complain about this outcome -- they don't want to say anything to suggest that they support eliminating the EC.

Despite this loss, the EC gives them a disproportionate number of EV because states like Wyoming and Montana get like 1 EV per 300k people while the bulk of the safe/likely Blue States (NY, PA, IL MI) it's more like 1 EV per 600k. Their fear is that cities like NYC always go 80 Democratic, and the Dems could achieve huge turnout numbers without having to spend much money.

If Obama lost the popular vote but won the EC, he should come out in favor of abolishing the EC. He should say that both he and Romney played the game by its current rules, and after two splits in 12 years, it's time to just go with the popular vote. If GOP reject that, than they endorse Obama winning the way he did.
2012-11-01 01:35:22 PM
1 votes:

The Drawing Board: Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.

Read my mind.


It's pretty easy to find this stuff out: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-2 7.html#12

For president, the house votes for the top three electoral college vote getters (in this case Romney and Obama). In 1824, this was invoked when noone got enough EC votes. The house decided between Jackson, Adams, and Crawford. Clay finished fourth and was cut. The house elected Adams.

For vice-president, the senate votes for the top two ec vote getters.
2012-11-01 01:21:00 PM
1 votes:
I had heard on NPR that in scenario three (dead-locked House). Whoever the Senate voted in as VP would become President.
2012-11-01 12:44:29 PM
1 votes:
Unpopularly elected
Historically presidential Blue states with republican legislators and swing states will rush to eliminate the winner take all in their states and award votes proportionally.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Romney-Biden
Not likely, not gonna postulate the fall-out.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

President Boehner
Not likely, not gonna postulate the fall-out.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Nader 2.0
Not likely, not gonna postulate the fall-out.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Recount!
Romney/Ryan wins flat out. There will be bullshiat like what happened in the Wisconsin Supreme Court recount.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Going rogue
This doesn't happen
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

November surprise
This is what Tea Tards actually believe. 
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.
2012-11-01 12:44:19 PM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: In other words, no change from the status quo.


I dunno, I think that's the scenario in which we'd see the highest chance for the whacko right to cash in on their "Second Amendment solutions". But yeah, that scenario certainly screams four more years of GOP obstruction and deadlock.

The article did bring up faithless electors, which if that were to happen could be interesting also.
2012-11-01 12:41:23 PM
1 votes:

Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.


From my understanding the Senate has to pick between one of the top two electoral vote winners for VP. The house, on the other hand, can pretty much do whatever they want. I'm not even sure they're bound to pick between Obama and Romney (and actually the more I think about it, it seems somewhat realistic they might go with a "true conservative" instead)
2012-11-01 12:41:17 PM
1 votes:
Okay let's say it's a tie and before Congress can vote both candidates die of heart attack..........WTF do we do then?
2012-11-01 12:41:16 PM
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.


The Republicans would claim that Obama has no support for his policies and would refuse to cooperate in any way.

In other words, no change from the status quo.
2012-11-01 12:37:45 PM
1 votes:
On November 6, the fate of the free world will be decided by a handful of voters in Iowa, Virginia, Ohio, and Colorado, many of whom will have made up their minds at the last minute after a frantic bout of Googling ("Mitt Romney" + "Gangnam style").

*teh googles, they do something*

NSFW Link

Heeeeey, wealthy ladies...

OK, that was kinda funny.
2012-11-01 12:35:20 PM
1 votes:
While terrible for the country, Romney/Biden would give us the joy of this happening

a.abcnews.commedia.salon.comwww.abmuku.com

during the State of the Union speech right behind President Romney.
2012-11-01 12:33:29 PM
1 votes:
I could live with that with a Democratic Senate. The lulz might be worth it.
2012-11-01 12:33:29 PM
1 votes:
Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.
 
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