If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Mother Jones)   Seven unlikely but interesting electoral college scenarios. Includes a 269/269 tie where Congress gives us Romney/Biden   (motherjones.com) divider line 50
    More: Interesting, Biden, human beings, electoral colleges, constitutional crisis, elections, hanging chads, write-ins, Joe Manchin  
•       •       •

1939 clicks; posted to Politics » on 01 Nov 2012 at 12:31 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



50 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2012-11-01 12:33:29 PM  
Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.
 
2012-11-01 12:33:29 PM  
I could live with that with a Democratic Senate. The lulz might be worth it.
 
2012-11-01 12:35:20 PM  
While terrible for the country, Romney/Biden would give us the joy of this happening

a.abcnews.commedia.salon.comwww.abmuku.com

during the State of the Union speech right behind President Romney.
 
2012-11-01 12:35:32 PM  
Of all of those listed, the last one is the most likely.
 
2012-11-01 12:36:42 PM  

Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.


That's what I was thinking.
 
2012-11-01 12:36:43 PM  
If it weren't for the fact that the country, nee, the world, would probably be farked for a long time, I could learn to enjoy a Romney/Biden administration, what with tales of Biden short sheeting Romney's bed, farting in the oval office and sealing Romney inside with duct tape and Romney retaliating by sending Biden off to attend birthday parties in Kazakstan... naw, maybe it's best to not even think these things.
 
2012-11-01 12:37:45 PM  
On November 6, the fate of the free world will be decided by a handful of voters in Iowa, Virginia, Ohio, and Colorado, many of whom will have made up their minds at the last minute after a frantic bout of Googling ("Mitt Romney" + "Gangnam style").

*teh googles, they do something*

NSFW Link

Heeeeey, wealthy ladies...

OK, that was kinda funny.
 
2012-11-01 12:39:39 PM  
I have an intuition if Obama wins in the electoral college but loses the popular vote, it won't be a squeaker in the electoral college. He'll lose the popular vote on the backs of the Midwest and South voting going super-red, pull through in most swing states, and end up with 300+ electoral votes.

A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.
 
2012-11-01 12:41:07 PM  
Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.
 
2012-11-01 12:41:16 PM  

that bosnian sniper: A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.


The Republicans would claim that Obama has no support for his policies and would refuse to cooperate in any way.

In other words, no change from the status quo.
 
2012-11-01 12:41:17 PM  
Okay let's say it's a tie and before Congress can vote both candidates die of heart attack..........WTF do we do then?
 
2012-11-01 12:41:23 PM  

Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.


From my understanding the Senate has to pick between one of the top two electoral vote winners for VP. The house, on the other hand, can pretty much do whatever they want. I'm not even sure they're bound to pick between Obama and Romney (and actually the more I think about it, it seems somewhat realistic they might go with a "true conservative" instead)
 
2012-11-01 12:44:19 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: In other words, no change from the status quo.


I dunno, I think that's the scenario in which we'd see the highest chance for the whacko right to cash in on their "Second Amendment solutions". But yeah, that scenario certainly screams four more years of GOP obstruction and deadlock.

The article did bring up faithless electors, which if that were to happen could be interesting also.
 
2012-11-01 12:44:29 PM  
Unpopularly elected
Historically presidential Blue states with republican legislators and swing states will rush to eliminate the winner take all in their states and award votes proportionally.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Romney-Biden
Not likely, not gonna postulate the fall-out.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

President Boehner
Not likely, not gonna postulate the fall-out.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Nader 2.0
Not likely, not gonna postulate the fall-out.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Recount!
Romney/Ryan wins flat out. There will be bullshiat like what happened in the Wisconsin Supreme Court recount.
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

Going rogue
This doesn't happen
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.

November surprise
This is what Tea Tards actually believe. 
Red states that overwhelmingly went for Romney will pass more anti-abortion legislation.
 
2012-11-01 12:45:17 PM  

FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.


All that re-enactin' wasn't for nothing.
 
2012-11-01 12:49:30 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: that bosnian sniper: A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.

The Republicans would claim that Obama has no support for his policies and would refuse to cooperate in any way.

In other words, no change from the status quo.


Well, they'd probably sign on for the NPVIC too. Which would be a net positive.
 
2012-11-01 12:50:04 PM  
I bet Romney would forbid Biden from parking his Trans-Am in front if the White House.
 
2012-11-01 12:50:40 PM  

alltim: FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.

All that re-enactin' wasn't for nothing.


Psh if they try to leave this time, let 'em go. We can just enjoy the lower taxes we now have thanks to not having to subsidize them.

Fark might have to replace the 'Florida' tag with a 'Confederacy' tag though.
 
2012-11-01 12:55:21 PM  

that bosnian sniper: I have an intuition if Obama wins in the electoral college but loses the popular vote, it won't be a squeaker in the electoral college. He'll lose the popular vote on the backs of the Midwest and South voting going super-red, pull through in most swing states, and end up with 300+ electoral votes.

A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.


I'm kind of pulling for such a scenario to play out. Perhaps it will galvanize enough people that we can rid ourselves of that woefully antiquated election system.

FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.


Amen. Let's just get it over with, already. It sure beats this slow decline into dysfunction and petty kingdoms.
 
2012-11-01 12:58:28 PM  

balki1867: alltim: FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.

All that re-enactin' wasn't for nothing.

Psh if they try to leave this time, let 'em go. We can just enjoy the lower taxes we now have thanks to not having to subsidize them.

Fark might have to replace the 'Florida' tag with a 'Confederacy' tag though.


Except this time it wouldn't be

upload.wikimedia.org,

so much as it would resemble

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-01 01:00:10 PM  
My baseball "The most obscure and ridiculous possible outcome is obviously the one I want to happen" sense is screaming about a Romney/Biden result.

I'd honestly be very interested to see what would happen over the next four years if such a thing came to pass.
 
2012-11-01 01:02:44 PM  

Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.


Read my mind.
 
2012-11-01 01:03:44 PM  
Even more unlikely scenario is that the Senate names Biden VP, the Dems in the House refuse to cast their votes leaving them deadlocked, if no resolution before January then Biden becomes President.
 
2012-11-01 01:09:29 PM  
As the nation awaits the returns on election night, President Obama reveals that he is really one of the therion, a seven-headed, 10-horned sea beast prophesied in the Book of Revelation.

I lol'ed.
 
2012-11-01 01:10:50 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Even more unlikely scenario is that the Senate names Biden VP, the Dems in the House refuse to cast their votes leaving them deadlocked, if no resolution before January then Biden becomes President.


Any electoral shenanigans leading into January would mean jumping off the Fiscal Cliff, could be a real fun scenario indeed.
 
2012-11-01 01:11:31 PM  
You're going to see one of three things. A narrow Obama win, a narrow Romney win, or a big Romney win. That could change tomorrow, but that's where it is today.
 
2012-11-01 01:12:55 PM  
If the Senate can pick anyone why not just chain him to someone who is deadweight nationally like Akin?
 
2012-11-01 01:17:56 PM  

BudTheSpud: Any electoral shenanigans leading into January would mean jumping off the Fiscal Cliff, could be a real fun scenario indeed.


...so you're saying House Republicans, since the fiscal cliff is what they wanted in the first place, would be the ones pulling shenanigans.
 
2012-11-01 01:21:00 PM  
I had heard on NPR that in scenario three (dead-locked House). Whoever the Senate voted in as VP would become President.
 
2012-11-01 01:31:43 PM  
Likely the whole thing will be settled by the courts. Unlike last time, the Republicans will not graciously concede disputed states...assuming of course those leading the party actually believe what they are saying about Obama. If not, then it's time for the Libertarians to step forward and the Republican Party to fade away. That's because the national conversation will be about radically limited government versus one that is creeping (for the moment) toward failed European social democratic models. The Republican Party won't be able to bear the flag for change when it's part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Result was be peaceful, if at times turbulent change but an America we won't recognize in 30 years either way.

Assuming it ends up in the court system, you end up with two possible outcomes: Romney is selected or Obama is selected. Note I say 'selected' not 'elected'. This will be a legal process and the best lawyers will win, not necessarily justice.

If Romney is selected, riots and protests in some major urban areas (it's unlikely Detroit will recognize the difference), but things settle down over a period of months. The next election will be unpretty, unless the economy booms, then just a lot of extra noise from the Left.

If Obama is selected, and it looks like the fix was in (if not Rush Limbaugh and Co. gets record high ratings for the next 4 years), things get very dicey. I'm not saying there will be a revolution or a guerrilla campaign, mostly because I think the radical wing of conservatives in the US are full of a lot of hot air when it comes time to actually pick up a rifle and make for the nearest militia recruiting center, but you could see an act of domestic terrorism on the scale of the OK City Bombing. Mostly what you'll see is Obama increasingly having problems getting anything through Congress (Congress may simply rule the country and work toward the impeachment of Obama depending on how mid-term elections go), and a lot of stage setting for 2016 and a violent election process--unless of course things go radically south economically before that, then you just might get your civil war. God help us.
 
2012-11-01 01:35:22 PM  

The Drawing Board: Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.

Read my mind.


It's pretty easy to find this stuff out: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-2 7.html#12

For president, the house votes for the top three electoral college vote getters (in this case Romney and Obama). In 1824, this was invoked when noone got enough EC votes. The house decided between Jackson, Adams, and Crawford. Clay finished fourth and was cut. The house elected Adams.

For vice-president, the senate votes for the top two ec vote getters.
 
2012-11-01 01:51:40 PM  

that bosnian sniper: I have an intuition if Obama wins in the electoral college but loses the popular vote, it won't be a squeaker in the electoral college. He'll lose the popular vote on the backs of the Midwest and South voting going super-red, pull through in most swing states, and end up with 300+ electoral votes.

A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.


There will be a limit to how much the GOP can complain about this outcome -- they don't want to say anything to suggest that they support eliminating the EC.

Despite this loss, the EC gives them a disproportionate number of EV because states like Wyoming and Montana get like 1 EV per 300k people while the bulk of the safe/likely Blue States (NY, PA, IL MI) it's more like 1 EV per 600k. Their fear is that cities like NYC always go 80 Democratic, and the Dems could achieve huge turnout numbers without having to spend much money.

If Obama lost the popular vote but won the EC, he should come out in favor of abolishing the EC. He should say that both he and Romney played the game by its current rules, and after two splits in 12 years, it's time to just go with the popular vote. If GOP reject that, than they endorse Obama winning the way he did.
 
2012-11-01 01:54:39 PM  

thornhill: There will be a limit to how much the GOP can complain about this outcome -- they don't want to say anything to suggest that they support eliminating the EC.


I can't see Romney or Ryan being that smart. If they do lose, I don't expect the concession speeches to be gracious at all. I don't have any idea what they'll actually say, but I wouldn't put it beneath either of them to try some rabble rousing on their way out.
 
2012-11-01 01:55:26 PM  

hdhale: Likely the whole thing will be settled by the courts. Unlike last time, the Republicans will not graciously concede disputed states...assuming of course those leading the party actually believe what they are saying about Obama.


I'm kinda surprised no one is talking about this.

I imagine that even if Obama wins by a huge margin in the EC -- several states worth -- the GOP will go to court in every state that the spread is 2 or less, which could be many states.
 
2012-11-01 01:58:09 PM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: balki1867: alltim: FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.

All that re-enactin' wasn't for nothing.

Psh if they try to leave this time, let 'em go. We can just enjoy the lower taxes we now have thanks to not having to subsidize them.

Fark might have to replace the 'Florida' tag with a 'Confederacy' tag though.

Except this time it wouldn't be

,

so much as it would resemble


Well at least were a big enough country that we wont get peace kept and/or liberated.
 
2012-11-01 01:59:32 PM  

NeoCortex42: thornhill: There will be a limit to how much the GOP can complain about this outcome -- they don't want to say anything to suggest that they support eliminating the EC.

I can't see Romney or Ryan being that smart. If they do lose, I don't expect the concession speeches to be gracious at all. I don't have any idea what they'll actually say, but I wouldn't put it beneath either of them to try some rabble rousing on their way out.


I think the most they'll do is insist that election validated that more Americans than not disagreed with Obama's policies, and that Obama needs to keep that in mind over the next four years. And when they refuse to deal with Obama on the budget, they'll claim that the election proved that the American public at large is on their side.

I mean, nothing the GOP does surprises me, but it's going to be pretty awkward for them to go as far as claiming that Obama's election was legitimate because he lost the popular vote when just 12 years ago Bush won the exact same way.
 
2012-11-01 02:04:15 PM  

thornhill: that bosnian sniper: I have an intuition if Obama wins in the electoral college but loses the popular vote, it won't be a squeaker in the electoral college. He'll lose the popular vote on the backs of the Midwest and South voting going super-red, pull through in most swing states, and end up with 300+ electoral votes.

A scenario in which Obama wins by that wide a margin in the electoral college, and loses the popular vote, could be very interesting.

There will be a limit to how much the GOP can complain about this outcome -- they don't want to say anything to suggest that they support eliminating the EC.

Despite this loss, the EC gives them a disproportionate number of EV because states like Wyoming and Montana get like 1 EV per 300k people while the bulk of the safe/likely Blue States (NY, PA, IL MI) it's more like 1 EV per 600k. Their fear is that cities like NYC always go 80 Democratic, and the Dems could achieve huge turnout numbers without having to spend much money.

If Obama lost the popular vote but won the EC, he should come out in favor of abolishing the EC. He should say that both he and Romney played the game by its current rules, and after two splits in 12 years, it's time to just go with the popular vote. If GOP reject that, than they endorse Obama winning the way he did.


Why do liberals always wank about Obama fighting for causes in which he does not believe? As well you should say Mitt Romney should end the bush tax cuts his first day.
 
2012-11-01 02:12:38 PM  
Maybe that's what this country needs....two presidents....lock them in a room...tell them to sort the shiat out...eliminate pesky house and senate process....if Romney and Obama can agree on something, ANYTHING, it's a step toward progress.
 
2012-11-01 02:28:10 PM  

thornhill: I think the most they'll do is insist that election validated that more Americans than not disagreed with Obama's policies, and that Obama needs to keep that in mind over the next four years. And when they refuse to deal with Obama on the budget, they'll claim that the election proved that the American public at large is on their side.

I mean, nothing the GOP does surprises me, but it's going to be pretty awkward for them to go as far as claiming that Obama's election was legitimate because he lost the popular vote when just 12 years ago Bush won the exact same way.


The GOP (and Fox News, in particular) aren't exactly known for their long-term memory. Regardless of what happened with Bush, I have no doubt that a very vocal part of the party would argue against the EC, including Romney and Ryan.
 
2012-11-01 02:43:58 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Maybe that's what this country needs....two presidents....lock them in a room...tell them to sort the shiat out...eliminate pesky house and senate process....if Romney and Obama can agree on something, ANYTHING, it's a step toward progress.


When one side is wrong compromise like that will just mean everything we do is half wrong.
 
2012-11-01 02:47:00 PM  

CPennypacker: moefuggenbrew: Maybe that's what this country needs....two presidents....lock them in a room...tell them to sort the shiat out...eliminate pesky house and senate process....if Romney and Obama can agree on something, ANYTHING, it's a step toward progress.

When one side is wrong compromise like that will just mean everything we do is half wrong.


And if they're both wrong...
 
2012-11-01 03:25:40 PM  

balki1867: Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.

From my understanding the Senate has to pick between one of the top two electoral vote winners for VP. The house, on the other hand, can pretty much do whatever they want. I'm not even sure they're bound to pick between Obama and Romney (and actually the more I think about it, it seems somewhat realistic they might go with a "true conservative" instead)


The Senate has to pick from the top-two electoral vote recipients for Vice President. If 135 Obama/Biden electors submit a Biden/Obama vote, then the Senate chooses between Ryan and Obama. If somehow the House cannot get 26 state votes for President (which would be pretty much impossible while the Presidential election still ended up a tie), then the elected Vice President becomes President (not acting President -- *actual* President. Full term). So if we knew that was going to happen, I'd expect the Democrats to direct their electors to vote for Obama for VP, so Obama would be President.

The House chooses between the top three electoral vote recipients for President. So if one of the electors votes for someone other than Romney or Obama, then the House may elect that person.

Which means, yes, the dream of President Sarah Palin is still alive.
 
2012-11-01 03:32:12 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: While terrible for the country, Romney/Biden would give us the joy of this happening

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360][media.salon.com image 460x307][www.abmuku.com image 600x400]

during the State of the Union speech right behind President Romney.


Probably not. Romney would send him off on a fact-finding mission to the Gobi Desert and Best Korea.
 
2012-11-01 03:33:17 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unemployedingreenland: Can the Senate pick anyone? Could they choose Obama? Now that would be interesting.

That's what I was thinking.


A Black man steppin' and fetchin' for a White dude? Yeah, that would go over OK.
 
2012-11-01 03:41:48 PM  

quatchi: On November 6, the fate of the free world will be decided by a handful of voters in Iowa, Virginia, Ohio, and Colorado, many of whom will have made up their minds at the last minute after a frantic bout of Googling ("Mitt Romney" + "Gangnam style").

*teh googles, they do something*

NSFW Link

Heeeeey, wealthy ladies...

OK, that was kinda funny.


Kinda? That was hilarious and brilliant!

Hey, can we all vote for Cthulhu as a write-in? I mean, why go half way?

At least he would make the farking trains run on time (or he would eat them).
 
2012-11-01 03:45:22 PM  

FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.


Not scheduled until 2016 to 2019. First the food riots, then the crackdown, then civil war.

We've got a computer model forecast....
 
2012-11-01 03:50:40 PM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: balki1867: alltim: FarkedOver: Whatever the outcome, let's hope for civil war.

All that re-enactin' wasn't for nothing.

Psh if they try to leave this time, let 'em go. We can just enjoy the lower taxes we now have thanks to not having to subsidize them.

Fark might have to replace the 'Florida' tag with a 'Confederacy' tag though.

Except this time it wouldn't be

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x190],

so much as it would resemble

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x393]


Indeed.
 
2012-11-01 09:32:36 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Okay let's say it's a tie and before Congress can vote both candidates die of heart attack..........WTF do we do then?


Sarah Palin is automatically President and Obama has to release the long-form death certificate.
 
2012-11-02 01:40:15 AM  
It's going to be a tie. You know it.

We live in too interesting times for it not to be.
 
2012-11-02 07:22:04 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Okay let's say it's a tie and before Congress can vote both candidates die of heart attack..........WTF do we do then?


John Boehner becomes President.
 
Displayed 50 of 50 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report