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(Fox Sports)   In what surely will end with even more good news for Lance Armstrong, the IOC opens probe into Lance Armstrong's 2000 bronze medal   (msn.foxsports.com) divider line 29
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2012-11-01 11:50:57 AM  
That takes balls.
 
2012-11-01 11:53:23 AM  
Real ball busters, those guys.
 
2012-11-01 11:53:34 AM  
This is bad news for Byelorussian farmers. =(
 
2012-11-01 12:04:37 PM  
The IOC Statue of Limitations is 8 years.

But there's political hay to make.

So I guess that doesn't matter.
 
2012-11-01 12:08:29 PM  
I think the most important thing here is that I can now rightfully claim to be tied with Lance Armstrong in Tour de France victories. We might be tied in Olympic medals soon as well.
 
2012-11-01 12:08:34 PM  
In all sincerity though... it's really become a witch hunt, and although I understand the issues, Sports Illustrated's article also mentioned that this is perfectly normal in this sport and the only real outrage has been his denial of it more than the actual fact he did it. That, and he seems to have been a bit of a dick.

Just strike his name from everything and forget he ever happened? Doesn't entirely seem fair either really.
 
2012-11-01 12:29:01 PM  

Grapple: In all sincerity though... it's really become a witch hunt


Unfortunately for Armstrong, he's a witch and they found him.

/What are you on? - "Thanks for asking! Well for starters I'm on a couple steroids you never heard of, and erythroprotein, testosterone and human growth hormone. Oh, and a couple of blood thinners and some standard masking agents."
 
2012-11-01 12:37:25 PM  

Grapple: In all sincerity though... it's really become a witch hunt, and although I understand the issues, Sports Illustrated's article also mentioned that this is perfectly normal in this sport and the only real outrage has been his denial of it more than the actual fact he did it. That, and he seems to have been a bit of a dick.

Just strike his name from everything and forget he ever happened? Doesn't entirely seem fair either really.


Well, that's kind of how it turns out. Bonds and Clemens were far from the only ball players who cheated, but they're a) the best and b) dicks, so they take the brunt of the hate. Same thing here. Armstrong's probably more famous than every other pro cyclist from his era (or maybe ever) combined. Combine that with the fact that the sport's run by bunch of Europeans who have always disliked Americans, and especially Armstrong. Third, the sport's reached the point in the past couple years where they've realized they have to clean up NOW or people will stop watching. Plus Lance Armstrong, dedication to charity aside, is clearly a dickhead (read his book). Basically he's just the perfect scapegoat at exactly the time when they really need one.
On the plus side, there's evidence that the sport is actually cleaner now. I saw a neat graph that showed a big decrease in the average power output by each cyclist in the Tour de France this year compared to a few years ago. You can actually see the point where everyone stopped doping and got five or ten percent weaker. Wish I could find it. But basically, Armstrong getting reamed is the PR angle for a serious effort to clean up cycling. It isn't fair, but he did kind of bring it on himself.
 
2012-11-01 12:59:40 PM  
This whole thing should blow over in about thirty or forty years.

In the meantime, let's kick him some more. It'll make headlines.
 
2012-11-01 01:01:58 PM  
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2012-11-01 01:04:32 PM  

neon_god: Combine that with the fact that the sport's run by bunch of Europeans who have always disliked Americans, and especially Armstrong.


I don't get this part of the comment. UCI was essentially complicit in Armstrong's cheating. They took his money and by all appearances seem to do all they could to keep all this from ever being exposed. The organization that finally took him down is an American organization. The investigators were Americans. The vast majority of key witnesses were Americans. And some of the biggest non-american cyclists in history have been about the only people to support armstrong through the scandal. So what does cycling being run by America hating Europeans have to do with the price of tea in china?
 
2012-11-01 01:15:57 PM  

JohnBigBootay: neon_god: Combine that with the fact that the sport's run by bunch of Europeans who have always disliked Americans, and especially Armstrong.

I don't get this part of the comment. UCI was essentially complicit in Armstrong's cheating.


I thought the UCI was tougher on Spanish cyclist were as Valverde was cleaner than 3 Italian riders during his suspension.

i recently asked a lady at the bar why she wore the yellow wrist band, she knows L was innocent and this just spite. after spitting out some facts, she ignored me, i asked her if she knew greg lemond, she gave me a "what frog is that" look and said no. after i told her who he was and what he thinks about L, she said, i'm not talking about this anymore!

women can't argue, even when they are wrong!
 
2012-11-01 01:24:49 PM  

neon_god: Grapple: In all sincerity though... it's really become a witch hunt, and although I understand the issues, Sports Illustrated's article also mentioned that this is perfectly normal in this sport and the only real outrage has been his denial of it more than the actual fact he did it. That, and he seems to have been a bit of a dick.

Just strike his name from everything and forget he ever happened? Doesn't entirely seem fair either really.

Well, that's kind of how it turns out. Bonds and Clemens were far from the only ball players who cheated, but they're a) the best and b) dicks, so they take the brunt of the hate. Same thing here. Armstrong's probably more famous than every other pro cyclist from his era (or maybe ever) combined. Combine that with the fact that the sport's run by bunch of Europeans who have always disliked Americans, and especially Armstrong. Third, the sport's reached the point in the past couple years where they've realized they have to clean up NOW or people will stop watching. Plus Lance Armstrong, dedication to charity aside, is clearly a dickhead (read his book). Basically he's just the perfect scapegoat at exactly the time when they really need one.
On the plus side, there's evidence that the sport is actually cleaner now. I saw a neat graph that showed a big decrease in the average power output by each cyclist in the Tour de France this year compared to a few years ago. You can actually see the point where everyone stopped doping and got five or ten percent weaker. Wish I could find it. But basically, Armstrong getting reamed is the PR angle for a serious effort to clean up cycling. It isn't fair, but he did kind of bring it on himself.


I think a lot of the vitriol against Lance really isnt about the fact that he doped which he should be punished for. Its about the fact that Lance is a colossal asshole and has been since he was a zygote. He paid $1m to an Italian doctor to figure out how to beat the system, forced his teammates to dope or go back to their joe jobs in the state, then threatened to destroy them when they confessed to a grand jury.

It had long been known in cycling circles that Lance was a dick, but his true behavior in my opinion is strongly narcissistic bordering on sociopathy. There is only room in Lance's heart for Lance, and the foundation and the cancer bullshiat is just a front. Hes a sociopath, just a very smart sociopath. But when a sociopaths carefully controlled world around them starts to crumble, they lash out at the people they blame for it.
 
2012-11-01 01:31:12 PM  
expobill

As soon as someone says something about the French being out to get Armstrong you not only know they don't know much about cycling in general, you also know they haven't read much about this case in particular.
 
2012-11-01 01:32:16 PM  

JohnBigBootay: expobill

As soon as someone says something about the French being out to get Armstrong you not only know they don't know much about cycling in general, you also know they haven't read much about this case in particular.


L was the only rider to speak to the public at a TDF race.
 
2012-11-01 02:06:20 PM  

expobill: L was the only rider to speak to the public at a TDF race.


And he spoke French no less and was cheered wildly. But that never happened you see. Because of the French conspiracy to take down Lance Armstrong.

/freedom fries
 
2012-11-01 04:07:29 PM  

neon_god: On the plus side, there's evidence that the sport is actually cleaner now. I saw a neat graph that showed a big decrease in the average power output by each cyclist in the Tour de France this year compared to a few years ago. You can actually see the point where everyone stopped doping and got five or ten percent weaker. Wish I could find it.


BBC Radio 4's statistics show, More or Less had a feature on this during this year's Tour. Podcast here, hopefully not restricted to UK-only visitors.
 
2012-11-01 04:46:24 PM  

DrySocket: I think a lot of the vitriol against Lance really isnt about the fact that he doped which he should be punished for. Its about the fact that Lance is a colossal asshole and has been since he was a zygote. He paid $1m to an Italian doctor to figure out how to beat the system, forced his teamma ...


I'll agree with that. I would say, though, that his charity work had done an awful lot of good, both in terms of raising money and providing hope and support. So whatever his motives, which I'll grant were probably at least partly narcicistic, he gets some karma for that. But yeah, he's certainly a prick.

JohnBigBootay: expobill: L was the only rider to speak to the public at a TDF race.

And he spoke French no less and was cheered wildly. But that never happened you see. Because of the French conspiracy to take down Lance Armstrong.

/freedom fries


I know It was a US investigation that brought him down, and I don't have any conspiracy theories (it's pretty clear he did it). I do think there are people in the international cycling community and the cycling media who have long disliked him (maybe justifiably, I don't know) who have helped turn this into a bigger spectacle than it might otherwise have been. That's more what I was talking about, not his titles being stripped, which I understand is due to an agreement between international doping agencies to enforce each other's findings. I didn't state that very well in my original post, I guess.

As to your other comments, I like to think I know a bit about cycling, but I'm no expert. And I'm Canadian, so no freedom fries.

iron de havilland: neon_god: On the plus side, there's evidence that the sport is actually cleaner now. I saw a neat graph that showed a big decrease in the average power output by each cyclist in the Tour de France this year compared to a few years ago. You can actually see the point where everyone stopped doping and got five or ten percent weaker. Wish I could find it.

BBC Radio 4's statistics show, More or Less had a feature on this during this year's Tour. Podcast here, hopefully not restricted to UK-only visitors.


Great find, thanks. I really hope cycling actually has cleaned up. With Ryder Hesjedal emerging the last two years, it's the first time Canada's had a jersey threat in the grand tours, never mind actually winning the Giro. I'd hate to have it ruined
 
2012-11-01 05:09:04 PM  

neon_god:
With Ryder Hesjedal emerging the last two years, it's the first time Canada's had a jersey threat in the grand tours, never mind actually winning the Giro. I'd hate to have it ruined


I secretly routed for Ryder in the Giro after Movistar tanked, which was a tough course!
 
2012-11-01 05:35:28 PM  

neon_god: I know It was a US investigation that brought him down, and I don't have any conspiracy theories (it's pretty clear he did it). I do think there are people in the international cycling community and the cycling media who have long disliked him (maybe justifiably, I don't know) who have helped turn this into a bigger spectacle than it might otherwise have been. That's more what I was talking about, not his titles being stripped, which I understand is due to an agreement between international doping agencies to enforce each other's findings. I didn't state that very well in my original post, I guess.

As to your other comments, I like to think I know a bit about cycling, but I'm no expert. And I'm Canadian, so no freedom fries.


No worries. I just find the American (which you aren't) proclivity for being automatically suspicious of France to be absolutely bizarre. I think it has something to do with not supporting Bush's Iraq fiasco but I'm honestly not sure.
 
2012-11-01 05:51:09 PM  

expobill: neon_god:
With Ryder Hesjedal emerging the last two years, it's the first time Canada's had a jersey threat in the grand tours, never mind actually winning the Giro. I'd hate to have it ruined

I secretly routed for Ryder in the Giro after Movistar tanked, which was a tough course!


It was a good race, and the first time I've had live TV coverage. Normally we only get the tour here. I can't wait for this season.

JohnBigBootay: No worries. I just find the American (which you aren't) proclivity for being automatically suspicious of France to be absolutely bizarre. I think it has something to do with not supporting Bush's Iraq fiasco but I'm honestly not sure.


Yeah, I've wondered about that. The French helped them out with the Revolution, and the US has basically saved France in two world wars, and yet they just don't like each other. It's weird. But so are Americans.
 
2012-11-01 06:00:47 PM  
If it wasn't for Lance Armstrong, there would never be any links to cycling stories

Competed with him once in a triathlon. He finished a little bit ahead of me. Maybe if he wasn't doping, I wouldn't have been as far behind.
 
2012-11-01 06:51:29 PM  

neon_god: Yeah, I've wondered about that. The French helped them out with the Revolution, and the US has basically saved France in two world wars, and yet they just don't like each other. It's weird. But so are Americans.


I don't know about the French side of the equation but in my experience the people who squawk the loudest about France have not been there and don't know many if any french people personally. having spent a couple years in francophone africa I knew lots of people from france. In my experience they're like everyone else - mostly just regular people with a few raging dicks thrown in for good measure. Anyway... on Armstrong I think the most knowledgeable cyclists and cycling fans have assumed for a long time he doped. Regardless of nationality. But he'll still have his one race a year US fans defending him twenty years from now. Because of the 1794 drug tests he passed.
 
2012-11-01 09:24:07 PM  

neon_god: expobill: neon_god:
With Ryder Hesjedal emerging the last two years, it's the first time Canada's had a jersey threat in the grand tours, never mind actually winning the Giro. I'd hate to have it ruined

I secretly routed for Ryder in the Giro after Movistar tanked, which was a tough course!

It was a good race, and the first time I've had live TV coverage. Normally we only get the tour here. I can't wait for this season.

JohnBigBootay: No worries. I just find the American (which you aren't) proclivity for being automatically suspicious of France to be absolutely bizarre. I think it has something to do with not supporting Bush's Iraq fiasco but I'm honestly not sure.

Yeah, I've wondered about that. The French helped them out with the Revolution, and the US has basically saved France in two world wars, and yet they just don't like each other. It's weird. But so are Americans.


I think it has to do with the fact the French are every bit as arrogant as we are. Having said that, I wouldn't say the dislike is genuine. At the end of the day, we are both Western civilized societies and at least for most, the animosity isn't real. Kind of like college rivalries. Student from School X tells student from school Y he goes to a cow college and student Y tells student X he and all male students at school X are effeminate nancies. Mostly just messing around and students from both schools typically do just fine interacting with one another. Kind of the same thing here, but substitue nations for schools.

For a few of them however, the animosity is real.
 
2012-11-01 09:44:01 PM  
This just in: the horse is still dead.
 
2012-11-02 02:39:56 AM  

TheZorker: The IOC Statue of Limitations is 8 years.


a sculpture of limitations.

www.mortalwombat.com
 
2012-11-02 09:25:47 AM  

JohnBigBootay: No worries. I just find the American (which you aren't) proclivity for being automatically suspicious of France to be absolutely bizarre. I think it has something to do with not supporting Bush's Iraq fiasco but I'm honestly not sure.


Which is extra weird when they try to throw in the British and the French as "Europeans." Because the British (the people that this article is about) and French are known to be best buddies.
 
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2012-11-02 10:08:17 AM  
So is he not the winner of 7 tour de france races just like the willis tower is not the sears tower?

/still the sears tower
 
2012-11-02 12:44:35 PM  
If he was doping and came in third, what the hell were the guys who finished first and second on?
 
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