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(Kansas City)   Not to alarm any of you on Fark, but a judge has just ordered a newspaper to release the true identity of an online commenter   (kansascity.com) divider line 181
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2012-11-01 07:05:10 PM
Well, that's another brick in the fascism wall, sure, but there's a reason it's called "being sequestered" and the commenter was a dumbass.
 
2012-11-01 07:32:57 PM

busy chillin': yep, that snarky joke about subbys mom is comparable to a juror posting online about a murder trial.


How insensitive of you. Or did you not know about the bomb trigger in her cooch?
 
2012-11-01 07:36:26 PM

b0rscht: Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever

This is what happens when smart people get out of jury duty.


I'm experiencing serious difficulty parsing BePrepared's comment - help please!!!
 
2012-11-01 07:45:53 PM

TheSignPost: busy chillin': TheSignPost: jst3p: TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.

In attempts at humor (that are sometimes successful) I post things I would never say on, for example, my facebook account because here I don't have to worry about a potential employer or family member being offended. There is benefit to anonymity in my opinion.


Fine, but that falls under the 'freedom of expression' where you don't feel free to comment without anonymity. I get that it's important to you, but I don't think the freedom to make risque jokes without offending family or employers is important enough to justify the hatred that comes out of anonymous online comments overall.

Freedom is scary. Don't worry though, we are getting rid of it.


I'm not against freedom, I'm against the abuse of freedom. And nothing that you might say "in defense of freedom" in a grander philosophical sense, will convince me that it's okay to anonymously make hateful, hurtful, prejudiced comments, in any situation.

You're leaning too hard against the 'freedom' issue without realizing that you're in danger of toppling it over.


In real life you can at least control your audience to some degree, and know the time and context involved in what you say, more or less.
In a medium where your words exist forever, are searchable by someone who isn't looking for that conversation, and is visible to anyone, whether you know them or not yet, then or later...?
Most somewhat careful people can't afford to say ANYTHING in that environment, and jerks and trolls wouldn't care for that to stop them. You still get the random hate... but you lose all the information on anything potentially embarrassing, any non-troll political discussion, any non-troll religious discussion, anything too social or casual - no parties, no drinking stories, no date remarks, no asking for advice on those things, no discussing family issues, no financial advice... most probably wouldn't even ask homework type questions, in case they sound stupid in a year or two. There is a lot of legitimate, useful communication that doesn't need to be shouted from a podium and recorded for all posterity.
 
2012-11-01 07:49:53 PM
I'm an admin on a forum that requires members to use their real names. In general, we find that people are a lot more civil that way. We don't do an in-depth background check on new member registrations, but we we do weed out the obvious fake names like Emmerson Bigguns, Hugh Jascok, or Dixie Normous. As long as the name looks legit, we tend to let them in. We did have a guy sign up a few years ago using the name "George Bush", but it turns out the small town in Tennessee where his IP was from did indeed have a George Bush listed in the telephone White Pages.
 
2012-11-01 07:55:41 PM
So when my number is up, they'll be on a manhunt for Turd Ferguson?
 
2012-11-01 08:29:43 PM

Freudian_slipknot: Maybe now people can start acting on the internet the way they would anywhere else in the world?

Maybe?

Or is this just a vain hope?


It's a farking pipe dream, but I think you should be legally required to use your real ID online. People wouldn't be quite so caustic if we all knew who they were.
 
2012-11-01 08:38:16 PM
Maybe this is why so many news sites are requiring third-party registration - Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc. Then they can let the other guys fight court orders for members' personal info.
 
2012-11-01 08:43:23 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.


The secret service will knock at your door, no Drew required.

/old thread is old.
 
2012-11-01 08:50:27 PM

gopher321: Some words to amuse the NSA: assassination, rifle, wmd, tower, president, catcher in the rye, voices in my head, communism, socialism, tea party, blah blah blah


You owe me a keyboard...
 
2012-11-01 09:06:03 PM
They told me I have immunity.
 
2012-11-01 09:19:23 PM

I should be in the kitchen: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I should be in the kitchen: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link

Hm, that is actually very interesting, thanks for sharing!

/Web foot turned sage hen. Not sure I like that!

I keep turning up just south of you. I lived just below the web foot state, and now I live just below the sage hen state. Coincidence? Or stalking? I'll never tell. :)

Hmmm... But who's stalking who?

/muahaha


Oh my! The hunter becomes the hunted?!?

Actually, I may have met you IRL. Did you attend the FARK Super Bowl party at the Freakin' Frog, a couple of years ago?
 
2012-11-01 09:23:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.


Depends who's President.
 
2012-11-01 09:26:33 PM

I should be in the kitchen: historycat: Good. Let's use this ruling to force all those "real citizens" on political ads to use their names.

I want to know what "women" and "workers" actually support Rmoney.

The only "women" and "workers" who support Romney are stock photo models.


My mom voted for Romney, essentially because she is scared of Obama's imminent Muslim invasion. I wish I were joking.
 
2012-11-01 09:27:48 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.

Depends who's President.


Naw, Drew's a wild-eyed radical moderate.
 
2012-11-01 09:37:30 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I should be in the kitchen: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I should be in the kitchen: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link

Hm, that is actually very interesting, thanks for sharing!

/Web foot turned sage hen. Not sure I like that!

I keep turning up just south of you. I lived just below the web foot state, and now I live just below the sage hen state. Coincidence? Or stalking? I'll never tell. :)

Hmmm... But who's stalking who?

/muahaha

Oh my! The hunter becomes the hunted?!?

Actually, I may have met you IRL. Did you attend the FARK Super Bowl party at the Freakin' Frog, a couple of years ago?


Wasn't me, I haven't attended a Fark party yet. Though I can be chatty online, in groups of people I get terribly shy!
 
2012-11-01 09:37:42 PM
Oh, SHIAT! Now people will know I'm Barack Obama.
 
2012-11-01 09:46:58 PM

WorthNoting: VonKraut: WorthNoting: Uh . . .just outta idle curiosity . . .

What's a proxy?

And how does one "get behind" seven of them?

Link

Hey THANKS!

I love that "let me google that for you" thingie !

Used to have it bookmarked - but my bookmarks got deleted.

And hadn't been able to find it again. 

:-D


let me google that for you
 
2012-11-01 09:50:30 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Wasn't me, I haven't attended a Fark party yet. Though I can be chatty online, in groups of people I get terribly shy!


The one party I attended, was pretty cool. We had the run of the restaurant/bar, and you could sit with a group, or grab a booth. No one forcing themselves on you, and a pretty mellow group. Of course, DREW got out of hand, but we tossed him out early. (just kidding Drew, don't banninate me!). As a self-proclaimed "nerdy web developer", you'd fit right in. Oh, and the Freakin' Frog is awesome. Go visit it on one of the days that the whiskey room is open, or if it's closed, ask one of the staff for a tour. Very cool.
 
2012-11-01 10:10:37 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Pray 4 Mojo: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.

Depends who's President.

Naw, Drew's a wild-eyed radical moderate.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-01 10:20:36 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.


You say this as if it hasn't happened before.
 
2012-11-01 10:55:47 PM

ladyfortuna: However she's a little batty and I've privately contacted her several times to disprove things she's repeated from Fox News or whatever. The reason I still stay in touch with her is that she can admit when she's wrong and that she should have researched the subject better. Not many people out there will do that...


If you have to remind her more than twice she needs to get into a new line of business.
 
2012-11-01 11:48:08 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: WorthNoting: VonKraut: WorthNoting: Uh . . .just outta idle curiosity . . .

What's a proxy?

And how does one "get behind" seven of them?

Link

Hey THANKS!

I love that "let me google that for you" thingie !

Used to have it bookmarked - but my bookmarks got deleted.

And hadn't been able to find it again.

:-D

let me google that for you


Don't know why but that gets me lol every single time!

Have no idea why.

Funny as hell! :-D
 
2012-11-01 11:58:05 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The one party I attended, was pretty cool. We had the run of the restaurant/bar, and you could sit with a group, or grab a booth. No one forcing themselves on you, and a pretty mellow group. Of course, DREW got out of hand, but we tossed him out early. (just kidding Drew, don't banninate me!). As a self-proclaimed "nerdy web developer", you'd fit right in. Oh, and the Freakin' Frog is awesome. Go visit it on one of the days that the whiskey room is open, or if it's closed, ask one of the staff for a tour. Very cool.


I'd be too tempted to print out my "friends" list and kick anyone colored orange1 or red1 in the balls.
 
2012-11-02 12:09:08 AM
I have nothing to hide. My real name is Mike Hunt.
 
2012-11-02 12:18:42 AM

Satanic_Hamster: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The one party I attended, was pretty cool. We had the run of the restaurant/bar, and you could sit with a group, or grab a booth. No one forcing themselves on you, and a pretty mellow group. Of course, DREW got out of hand, but we tossed him out early. (just kidding Drew, don't banninate me!). As a self-proclaimed "nerdy web developer", you'd fit right in. Oh, and the Freakin' Frog is awesome. Go visit it on one of the days that the whiskey room is open, or if it's closed, ask one of the staff for a tour. Very cool.

I'd be too tempted to print out my "friends" list and kick anyone colored orange1 or red1 in the balls.


I have quite an extensive favorites list also, both good and bad, but surprisingly I didn't meet anyone that was on the orange or red lists. I start my trolls at orange 5, and if they're habitual, eventually they end up grey 1, which means I have to squint to read their contributions. So I don't. :)
 
2012-11-02 12:19:07 AM
This is why all of my internet activity is triple encrypted, and bounced through multiple Tor networks. Oh, hold on... I started downloading a .mp3 last week, and I think it might have just finished.
 
2012-11-02 12:24:00 AM

Bucky Katt: I have nothing to hide. My real name is Mike Hunt.


I've seen you around. You're a friend of Meat right?
 
2012-11-02 12:35:31 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.


You realise that if Drew did receive a Patriot Act subpoena he would be legally forbidden from even telling the rest of the Fark employees far less us unwashed masses. It says right on them that you can only tell the minimum number of people required in order to fulfil the request.

/ or so I hear
 
2012-11-02 09:54:25 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I have quite an extensive favorites list also, both good and bad, but surprisingly I didn't meet anyone that was on the orange or red lists. I start my trolls at orange 5, and if they're habitual, eventually they end up grey 1, which means I have to squint to read their contributions. So I don't. :)


Same. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt (like they're having a bad day, or they're being sarcastic and I'm missing it), some people are just bad on some pet issues, etc etc. Usually start people at orange 3-5 and then move them up to orange 1. If it's completely blatant that they're a troll account or f'ing insane, red1 they go so I don't even read them.
 
2012-11-02 02:19:47 PM

TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.


I can, and do, say things on Fark that are neither illegal nor rude, but which I would strongly prefer any potential employers did not see. If I didn't have a basic level of anonymity, for instance, I would never be willing to discussing anything pertaining to the legalization of marijuana.

I think that eliminating anonymity from the internet would simply shut down a lot of legitimate discussion. To my mind, that outweighs any problems introduced by trolls and run-of-the-mill dickheads.
 
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