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2012-11-01 04:43:43 PM  

Barbaro's Broken Ankle: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link

Yes, he is one of those Phelps.

/God Hates Bad Juries!!


How the hell did he make it onto a jury??

Must be slim pickin's in that jury pool.
 
2012-11-01 04:43:51 PM  

b0rscht: If you use tor, and turn off cookies etc., you can effectively surf anonymously. You can't be traced to an IP number with tor. Can be used for good or evil.


If you use mac address spoofing and connect via free wifi and don't create a pattern of use you can be pretty anonymous as well.
 
2012-11-01 04:44:48 PM  

namegoeshere: Barbaro's Broken Ankle: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link

Yes, he is one of those Phelps.

/God Hates Bad Juries!!

How the hell did he make it onto a jury??

Must be slim pickin's in that jury pool.


Oh never mind. I farked up. Phelps is the rat bastard attorney.
 
2012-11-01 04:45:23 PM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-01 04:46:56 PM  

jst3p: TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.

In attempts at humor (that are sometimes successful) I post things I would never say on, for example, my facebook account because here I don't have to worry about a potential employer or family member being offended. There is benefit to anonymity in my opinion.



Fine, but that falls under the 'freedom of expression' where you don't feel free to comment without anonymity. I get that it's important to you, but I don't think the freedom to make risque jokes without offending family or employers is important enough to justify the hatred that comes out of anonymous online comments overall.
 
2012-11-01 04:47:31 PM  

b0rscht: If you use tor, and turn off cookies etc., you can effectively surf anonymously. You can't be traced to an IP number with tor. Can be used for good or evil.


Doen't that make it take about 3 hours to load a page? Not worth it just to call someone a dickwad.
 
2012-11-01 04:48:57 PM  
RedruM. Wankel rotary engine.

/ Can't catch me.
 
2012-11-01 04:49:16 PM  

DORMAMU: TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.

Problem lies with what is considered hateful rhetoric. Who determines it?

What is okay today will be rhetoric tomorrow and vice versa.

Not an easily dealt with issue either way.



No, it's definitely not easy, but it also definitely a problem, and we would not be doing ourselves any favors by letting things go on the way they are.
 
2012-11-01 04:49:20 PM  

TheSignPost: jst3p: TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.

In attempts at humor (that are sometimes successful) I post things I would never say on, for example, my facebook account because here I don't have to worry about a potential employer or family member being offended. There is benefit to anonymity in my opinion.


Fine, but that falls under the 'freedom of expression' where you don't feel free to comment without anonymity. I get that it's important to you, but I don't think the freedom to make risque jokes without offending family or employers is important enough to justify the hatred that comes out of anonymous online comments overall.


Freedom is scary. Don't worry though, we are getting rid of it.
 
2012-11-01 04:50:38 PM  
I thought when a lot of media outlets started linking facebook accounts to the ability to make comments that it would cull some of the crazy, but man was I ever wrong. If anything, I think it amplified it. You can't read any article anymore without some ill-informed yokel screaming about 0baMAO taking away our 2nd amendment freedoms and raising our taxes when it's demonstrably untrue. And then getting 67 'likes' for it. And, for whatever reason, it's completely one-sided. God forbid someone say something slightly to the left of Goebbels, or correct blatant misinformation and they're drowned out by the echo chamber. It's depressing.
 
2012-11-01 04:50:51 PM  
Not an easily dealt with issue either way.



And I think a lot of the problem of 'what is hateful' would solve itself, by taking away anonymity - if people have to put their name to comments, they will moderate themselves.
 
2012-11-01 04:51:22 PM  
Was prepared to be outraged until I read the story. A lady serving on a jury during a murder trial not only accessed a story about the murder trial while deliberating (which is a big gorram deal in itself), she posted a comment on it implying that the defendant was guilty. What the actual fark.

So, unless you are reading in a jury deliberation room right now, I sincerely doubt this will affect you. And if you are, STFU, TFTCO, and GBTW.
 
2012-11-01 04:53:12 PM  
so in short, this means nothing.

This is about a juror doing things they're not supposed to. The outcome is possibly outing that juror.

This is not about simply posting online.
 
2012-11-01 04:53:23 PM  

busy chillin': TheSignPost: jst3p: TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.

In attempts at humor (that are sometimes successful) I post things I would never say on, for example, my facebook account because here I don't have to worry about a potential employer or family member being offended. There is benefit to anonymity in my opinion.


Fine, but that falls under the 'freedom of expression' where you don't feel free to comment without anonymity. I get that it's important to you, but I don't think the freedom to make risque jokes without offending family or employers is important enough to justify the hatred that comes out of anonymous online comments overall.

Freedom is scary. Don't worry though, we are getting rid of it.



I'm not against freedom, I'm against the abuse of freedom. And nothing that you might say "in defense of freedom" in a grander philosophical sense, will convince me that it's okay to anonymously make hateful, hurtful, prejudiced comments, in any situation.

You're leaning too hard against the 'freedom' issue without realizing that you're in danger of toppling it over.
 
2012-11-01 04:53:30 PM  

skantea: Trolling is a phase. Lot's of us go through it. And then once in a while you come home from an absolutely terrible day and regress over politics, but even that gets rarer (or has for me). The days of enjoying negative attention just for kicks are getting farther behind me every day. And I'm pretty sure it's not just because I'm a happier person now.


You can only be insincere for so long. I'd much rather be honest with people instead of lying about my feelings just to make people mad.
 
2012-11-01 04:53:35 PM  
:sigh: I miss Tats and Czar.
 
2012-11-01 04:55:33 PM  

TheSignPost: Not an easily dealt with issue either way.

And I think a lot of the problem of 'what is hateful' would solve itself, by taking away anonymity - if people have to put their name to comments, they will moderate themselves.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-01 04:56:08 PM  

Red_Fox: yeah cause everyone uses their true identities to sign up on news sites.


Wait, you DON'T have to use your real name as a username? Well fark me
 
2012-11-01 04:57:11 PM  

TheSignPost: busy chillin': TheSignPost: jst3p: TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.

In attempts at humor (that are sometimes successful) I post things I would never say on, for example, my facebook account because here I don't have to worry about a potential employer or family member being offended. There is benefit to anonymity in my opinion.


Fine, but that falls under the 'freedom of expression' where you don't feel free to comment without anonymity. I get that it's important to you, but I don't think the freedom to make risque jokes without offending family or employers is important enough to justify the hatred that comes out of anonymous online comments overall.

Freedom is scary. Don't worry though, we are getting rid of it.


I'm not against freedom, I'm against the abuse of freedom. And nothing that you might say "in defense of freedom" in a grander philosophical sense, will convince me that it's okay to anonymously make hateful, hurtful, prejudiced comments, in any situation.

You're leaning too hard against the 'freedom' issue without realizing that you're in danger of toppling it over.


Yeah, we should let a few bad apples spoil the whole damn bunch. After all, that is what we always do.

/I mostly say nice and/or snarky things...but I would never post if I had to use my real name
 
2012-11-01 04:59:24 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-01 05:00:28 PM  

TheSignPost: The ability to comment anonymously online is a hugely problematic issue. I think that much of the hurtful and threatening language on fark and on the web generally, wouldn't be that way without anonymity. And anyone would be hard pressed to somehow convince me that anonymity presents any real benefit.

I anticipate the 'freedom of expression' argument and the issue that many people don't feel or aren't free to comment without anonymity, but I think the harm done by hateful rhetoric far outweighs that.


STFU you stupid wanker, I'm never rude online!
 
2012-11-01 05:01:19 PM  
 
2012-11-01 05:01:23 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I had my pants on the entire time. And I was typing with both hands. YOU CAN'T PROVE A THING


www.nobodygoeshere.com
 
2012-11-01 05:03:52 PM  

ladyfortuna: I like how they mention the user's pseudonym like they're going to magically get his real name from the registration account. Our local paper's website started posting people's 'real names' next to their user names because they were getting completely out of hand on discussions (small towns, rural area), and the smart ones had fake names registered. The dumb ones kept using real names until they realized what was going on, and now the entire site is a ghost town except for a few times a month when something actually interesting happens.


There is no way in hell that I'd put my real name on local comments. I learned. I wouldn't even do it in this town, which has about 30,000 people. But I used to live in a really small town, and I wrote eco-nut letters to the local newspaper. I was known for it--people I didn't even know came up to me and acted like I was their best friend, because I shared their views. (I met some interesting people that way, though.)

The only jobs I could get were from other eco-nuts. The local business owners (who ironically depended on Yellowstone Park to make their living) wouldn't give me a job if I was the only person left in town.
 
2012-11-01 05:04:36 PM  

WorthNoting: Uh . . .just outta idle curiosity . . .

What's a proxy?

And how does one "get behind" seven of them?


A proxy is a link in a gay chain bang. You get behind seven of them by being the eighth most gay person in the group.
 
2012-11-01 05:05:30 PM  
I always lie about how many proxies I'm behind.
 
2012-11-01 05:07:20 PM  

jst3p: Jacobin: Uhm their computers catch that. Feds dont consider it a joking matter

Yeah, I may be paranoid but wouldn't even quote it...


This.

Hi secret agent man or woman!

/waves
 
2012-11-01 05:09:47 PM  

Wookie Milson: Not sure if Disney or Major League Baseball scares me more when it comes time to sue me for Login Infringement of Intellectual Property.


How eerily prophetic was that Simpson's episode?

www.mcgwire.com
 
2012-11-01 05:16:53 PM  
Why the scary tag?
 
2012-11-01 05:18:05 PM  

historycat: Good. Let's use this ruling to force all those "real citizens" on political ads to use their names.

I want to know what "women" and "workers" actually support Rmoney.


The only "women" and "workers" who support Romney are stock photo models.
 
2012-11-01 05:26:05 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: historycat: Good. Let's use this ruling to force all those "real citizens" on political ads to use their names.

I want to know what "women" and "workers" actually support Rmoney.

The only "women" and "workers" who support Romney are stock photo models.


Canadian super models?
 
2012-11-01 05:27:31 PM  
I have no problem with this. If a politician was trying to out someone who called him an asshole on a website comment, that'd be a different, unacceptable thing. But trying to stop juror misconduct, I'm cool with that.

Hey, morons: If you're on a jury, you can't talk about the case while it's going on. How farking hard is that to understand?
 
2012-11-01 05:28:14 PM  
From: Fark.com, Inc. (legal representatives thereof)
To: Gotham City Attorney's Office
 
Re: Fark user login "Batman" (http://www.fark.com/users?login=Batman)
 
In regards to your inquiry of July 31 and your subsequent court order dated September 14, we have investigated the user and the posts in question from February 19 of this year (to wit: "It's pretty common knowledge that Commissioner Gordon had mob ties in Chicago, which is why he had to come back to Gotham" and subsequent comment from the same thread, "He hit on me personally several times before finally getting married to Sarah Essen. That dude's got some fruit hidden in the closet if you knwo (sic) what I mean".
 
The user in question is listed in our database as Wayne, Bruce. We do not have further contact information in our database.
 
Please confirm that this information constitutes our full legal requirement by law and as requested by the court order dated September 14 of Judge W. Classen, Gotham Superior Court.
 
2012-11-01 05:28:57 PM  
I never post comments online, so ... meh.
 
2012-11-01 05:29:03 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link


Hm, that is actually very interesting, thanks for sharing!

/Web foot turned sage hen. Not sure I like that!
 
2012-11-01 05:33:39 PM  

SnyderCat: I should be in the kitchen: historycat: Good. Let's use this ruling to force all those "real citizens" on political ads to use their names.

I want to know what "women" and "workers" actually support Rmoney.

The only "women" and "workers" who support Romney are stock photo models.

Canadian super models?


Homeschooled Canadian super models.
 
2012-11-01 05:34:16 PM  
So what are they going to do when the poster's "real name" turns out to be Heywood Jablomie?
 
2012-11-01 05:37:37 PM  

JWideman: So what are they going to do when the poster's "real name" turns out to be Heywood Jablomie?


They call Gene Masseth for comment?
 
2012-11-01 05:40:44 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link

Hm, that is actually very interesting, thanks for sharing!

/Web foot turned sage hen. Not sure I like that!


I keep turning up just south of you. I lived just below the web foot state, and now I live just below the sage hen state. Coincidence? Or stalking? I'll never tell. :)
 
2012-11-01 05:49:26 PM  
oliffcollection.homestead.com
 
2012-11-01 05:57:42 PM  

WillyChase: Red_Fox: yeah cause everyone uses their true identities to sign up on news sites.

Wait, you DON'T have to use your real name as a username? Well fark me


My real name is Rev. Wicks Cherrycoke and I approve this farking.

/obscure
 
2012-11-01 05:58:35 PM  
I really don't understand.

Why are people compelled to go online and talk about cases they are serving as jurors on?

The courts give really clear instructions that this is not allowed, but so many people seem to do it anyway.
 
2012-11-01 06:02:54 PM  

NightOwl2255: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Go into detail about killing the President, say you are going to do it, and say you have the material and opportunity and I would hope that Drew would serve you up on a silver platter.

As he should. As soon as he's issued the warrant. I have no problem knowing that everything I post anywhere on the internet is subject to identification with a warrant. It's the warrant-less searches I'm concerned with.


See, while I may not always agree with you, it's posts like these that cause your words to come up in a nice shade of green!

/rock on NightOwl!
 
2012-11-01 06:04:58 PM  

roc6783: JWideman: So what are they going to do when the poster's "real name" turns out to be Heywood Jablomie?

They call Gene Masseth for comment?


Gene Masseth is a fake. He's a joke name, like Barry McCaughiner!
 
2012-11-01 06:06:15 PM  

Cythraul: colinspooky: I have been saying this a lot - some of the stuff on here, is erm, shall we say legally delicate

Just because I posted my manifesto which went into detail on how to properly perform a human sacrifice for pagan gods doesn't mean I'm a bad person, or breaking the law. Or, does it?


Yeah, my arson insurance fraud guide is for entertainment purposes only.
 
2012-11-01 06:21:40 PM  
And you all thought I didn't sign up for total Fark because I was cheep.
Well that too but this.
 
2012-11-01 06:47:13 PM  

VonKraut: WorthNoting: Uh . . .just outta idle curiosity . . .

What's a proxy?

And how does one "get behind" seven of them?

Link


Hey THANKS!

I love that "let me google that for you" thingie !

Used to have it bookmarked - but my bookmarks got deleted.

And hadn't been able to find it again. 

:-D
 
2012-11-01 06:51:55 PM  
There's this one person who has been harassing some of the Yahoo groups I frequent since before they were Yahoo groups. He does everything you can imagine to disrupt and terrorize us. Everytime somebody passes away, it's like Christmas for him. If we ever find out who he is and where he lives, there's going to be a line of some of the nicest people you ever could know waiting outside his door to kill him.

And to be perfectly honest, I'd like to lead the charge.
 
2012-11-01 06:53:11 PM  

skantea: Trolling is a phase. Lot's of us go through it. And then once in a while you come home from an absolutely terrible day and regress over politics, but even that gets rarer (or has for me). The days of enjoying negative attention just for kicks are getting farther behind me every day. And I'm pretty sure it's not just because I'm a happier person now.


excellent point / observation, and i'm glad for you that you have happiness in your life. i think that's a key thing. on my happy days i tell strangers i love them - because i feel that way. other days i want everyone to die. c'est la vie.

i have no expectation of anonymity or privacy on the internet. one has to really avoid reading online information to not be aware that law enforcement can and will retrieve your last year of online activity from your ISP with ease. big brother did the 9/11 so they could have blanket coverage of playing screw the guy without having to worry about pesky things like rights. we have no privacies. we have no rights. we have taxes and bills to pay.

what bothers me is how some people feel others share too much or go over some supposed lines in what they say. i share some pretty farked up opinions online but it's nothing you wouldn't hear me say if we were talking face to face. people might think i'm ignorant, stupid, racist, a bigot, etcetera - well you're entitled to your opinion. fine with me. just calling me names doesn't help me to be a better person. taking the time to explain to me why you think my views are wrong or bad or whatever, that's what helps me to grow and learn.

it will not surprise me when the day comes that what people put online is held against them on a large scale, to imprison people. not just the rare cases we see from time to time. make everything illegal and you can throw everyone in the clink whenever you want. if i was chief dictator nazi i'd probably want that power ability too.

seems to me those who own and run america got tired of the millions of scumbags turning the place into a shiathole and they have given up. so they plundered everything they could, there is no money, clean air or water left. there is other countries and cultures to exploit for riches. they are going to just let america sink into a third world shiathole and let us starve to death in slow degrees. like a bored little boy torturing ants and flies to death on a breezy summers day.

it's good to be the king.
 
2012-11-01 07:01:35 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I should be in the kitchen: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: FTFA: Stovall's attorney, Jonathan Phelps, said BePrepared posted at 1:45 p.m. July 21: "Trust me that's all they got in their little world, as you know, I have been there. Remember the pukes names they will do it for ever."

Never trust a Missourian. Link

Hm, that is actually very interesting, thanks for sharing!

/Web foot turned sage hen. Not sure I like that!

I keep turning up just south of you. I lived just below the web foot state, and now I live just below the sage hen state. Coincidence? Or stalking? I'll never tell. :)


Hmmm... But who's stalking who?

/muahaha
 
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