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(Think Progress)   Bishop who compared Obama to Hitler orders an anti-Obama letter be read at all masses in his diocese this weekend. Subby attends one of his parishes and will not be attending mass this weekend   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2012-11-01 09:58:24 AM  
And yet, you'll keep supporting the corrupt diocese the rest of the year?
 
2012-11-01 09:59:01 AM  
Now THIS guy is a serious asshole.
 
2012-11-01 10:00:47 AM  
A lawyer I am not, but...isn't that grounds for having his church's tax exempt status taken away?
 
2012-11-01 10:02:01 AM  

tnpir: Now THIS guy is a serious asshole.


We had a priest last weekend in this selfsame diocese give a 30 minute homily on why Obama was "a babykiller."

kid_icarus: A lawyer I am not, but...isn't that grounds for having his church's tax exempt status taken away?


You'd think.
 
2012-11-01 10:02:30 AM  

kid_icarus: A lawyer I am not, but...isn't that grounds for having his church's tax exempt status taken away?


I'm starting to think a church could open a Starbucks and cell phone kiosk inside and sell Romney T-shirts in the parking lot and not have its tax-exempt status taken away.
 
2012-11-01 10:04:16 AM  

The English Major: tnpir: Now THIS guy is a serious asshole.

We had a priest last weekend in this selfsame diocese give a 30 minute homily on why Obama was "a babykiller."

kid_icarus: A lawyer I am not, but...isn't that grounds for having his church's tax exempt status taken away?

You'd think.


I would stop attending.

/Agnostic; former non-denom

Let's tax these twatwaffles!
 
2012-11-01 10:06:04 AM  
You know, Catholics in the US fought for years before the election of JFK to prove to the country that they weren't some foreign controlled 5th column looking to install a papist, theocratic government.

How far we've come, eh?
 
2012-11-01 10:07:17 AM  

Bontesla: I would stop attending.


Thing is, the priest who runs the church is a pretty cool guy and doesn't take political stances. He presided over my marriage this past September. I'm an active member of my parish, and the bulk of us aren't the usual...conservative Catholics. But the ones who are always seem to get noticed because that's what you expect.
I'm an RCIA sponsor and a Eucharistic Minister, and I fully believe Church and State should be separate, otherwise, yes, they should be taxed if a bishop is going to try and be all sneaky by telling you who NOT to vote for.
 
2012-11-01 10:09:07 AM  
Check the source

Its from an anonymous person. Dont automatically assume that it is real. Wait until hard facts are obtained before making a judgement.
 
2012-11-01 10:09:33 AM  
*KNOCK* *KNOCK*
Who's there?
THE IRS.
Oh, fark.
 
2012-11-01 10:09:41 AM  
I hope their churches don't get over run by gay zombies. Ok, I secretly do. Can you imagine what bs would come from Fox if the gov tried to stop this?
 
2012-11-01 10:10:02 AM  

cman: Its from an anonymous person.


They published the letter in last week's bulletin. It's real.
 
2012-11-01 10:10:20 AM  

The English Major: Bontesla: I would stop attending.

Thing is, the priest who runs the church is a pretty cool guy and doesn't take political stances. He presided over my marriage this past September. I'm an active member of my parish, and the bulk of us aren't the usual...conservative Catholics. But the ones who are always seem to get noticed because that's what you expect.
I'm an RCIA sponsor and a Eucharistic Minister, and I fully believe Church and State should be separate, otherwise, yes, they should be taxed if a bishop is going to try and be all sneaky by telling you who NOT to vote for.


So tell him your concerns, and the concerns of your fellow parishioners and find out if he has the moral character to tell the bishop to fark off. If not, well, you know what kind of leadership you actually have.
 
2012-11-01 10:11:05 AM  

The English Major: cman: Its from an anonymous person.

They published the letter in last week's bulletin. It's real.


I am retracting my statement in its entirety. It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself
 
2012-11-01 10:11:26 AM  

The English Major: I fully believe Church and State should be separate


It's like Catholics forgot what happened to The Church when it became intertwined in politics.

/OK, there's no "it's like" about it.
 
2012-11-01 10:11:35 AM  

cman: Check the source

Its from an anonymous person. Dont automatically assume that it is real. Wait until hard facts are obtained before making a judgement.


There is audio of it.

Link
 
2012-11-01 10:13:38 AM  
Get over yourself, you silly-hat wearing pedo protectors.
 
2012-11-01 10:27:51 AM  

cman: The English Major: cman: Its from an anonymous person.

They published the letter in last week's bulletin. It's real.

I am retracting my statement in its entirety. It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself


I notice you do that a lot. I commend you for breaking the first FARK commandment: never admit to being wrong.
 
2012-11-01 10:29:18 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: You know, Catholics in the US fought for years before the election of JFK to prove to the country that they weren't some foreign controlled 5th column looking to install a papist, theocratic government.

How far we've come, eh?


Amazing what a black man can accomplish, isn't it?

Where the fark was this POS during every single Republican administration post Roe v. Wade? Where is his criticism of the failure of those politicians to reverse what he sees as this horrible decision? Why no cries of being used and pandered to?

/rhetorical
 
2012-11-01 10:29:53 AM  

sweetmelissa31: There is audio of it.


Yeah but it's from an anonymous source. Don't you get it?
 
2012-11-01 10:32:54 AM  

Diogenes: Amazing what a black man can accomplish, isn't it?


It's easy to blame racism, but were Obama not black, the right would probably just seize on something else like he's "elitist" (Kerry), he's an "eco-nut" (Gore), he's a "morally depraved sexual deviant" (Clinton), etc., basically anything that would isolate the candidate as "not one of 'us'."
 
2012-11-01 10:33:52 AM  

cman:
I am retracting my statement in its entirety. It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself


Eh, it's Fark. Par for the course :)
 
2012-11-01 10:34:30 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Diogenes: Amazing what a black man can accomplish, isn't it?

It's easy to blame racism, but were Obama not black, the right would probably just seize on something else like he's "elitist" (Kerry), he's an "eco-nut" (Gore), he's a "morally depraved sexual deviant" (Clinton), etc., basically anything that would isolate the candidate as "not one of 'us'."


True. Pick your poison.
 
2012-11-01 10:35:34 AM  

tnpir: cman: The English Major: cman: Its from an anonymous person.

They published the letter in last week's bulletin. It's real.

I am retracting my statement in its entirety. It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself

I notice you do that a lot. I commend you for breaking the first FARK commandment: never admit to being wrong.


Well, I know that I am a moron at times. I try my best and by admitting my mistakes I can show that, although from time to time I am an idiot, I really do mean well.
 
2012-11-01 10:41:18 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Diogenes: Amazing what a black man can accomplish, isn't it?

It's easy to blame racism, but were Obama not black, the right would probably just seize on something else like he's "elitist" (Kerry), he's an "eco-nut" (Gore), he's a "morally depraved sexual deviant" (Clinton), etc., basically anything that would isolate the candidate as "not one of 'us'."


Yeah, but no one would be questioning his country of origin or parentage.
 
2012-11-01 10:43:26 AM  
As always, I find it hard to care what celibate men in fancy hats and dresses think about contraception.
 
2012-11-01 10:50:26 AM  

cman: The English Major: cman: Its from an anonymous person.

They published the letter in last week's bulletin. It's real.

I am retracting my statement in its entirety. It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself


This is one of the many reasons why you're cool.
 
2012-11-01 11:03:02 AM  

Bloody William: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Diogenes: Amazing what a black man can accomplish, isn't it?

It's easy to blame racism, but were Obama not black, the right would probably just seize on something else like he's "elitist" (Kerry), he's an "eco-nut" (Gore), he's a "morally depraved sexual deviant" (Clinton), etc., basically anything that would isolate the candidate as "not one of 'us'."

Yeah, but no one would be questioning his country of origin or parentage.


They called purple heart medal recipient Kerry a coward. I hate to say it, but Birtherism is less a novel radical position as it is an inevitable progression in strategy.

If Clinton runs, they'll say her lady bits make her ineligible.
 
2012-11-01 11:27:25 AM  

cman (favorite: Made an assumption and ended up making an ass out of myself): It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself


That farky was already on there.
 
2012-11-01 11:47:34 AM  

cman: tnpir: cman: The English Major: cman: Its from an anonymous person.

They published the letter in last week's bulletin. It's real.

I am retracting my statement in its entirety. It seems that I made a few assumptions myself and ended up making an ass out of myself

I notice you do that a lot. I commend you for breaking the first FARK commandment: never admit to being wrong.

Well, I know that I am a moron at times. I try my best and by admitting my mistakes I can show that, although from time to time I am an idiot, I really do mean well.


Indeed. That's why you're in my favorites list.
 
2012-11-01 12:00:16 PM  
Don't attend? No, they won't care if you're not there. Attend, then walk out halfway through.
 
2012-11-01 12:11:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Don't attend? No, they won't care if you're not there. Attend, then walk out halfway through.


Walk out right after communion. That never happens.
 
2012-11-01 12:12:56 PM  

The English Major: We had a priest last weekend in this selfsame diocese give a 30 minute homily on why Obama was "a babykiller."


A month or so ago, at my church, they had a special guest speaker from Kansas Right to Life in the middle of mass, I got up and walked out. Haven't been back.

I'm disgusted with the Church right now. Of course, my bishop was also just in court for covering up child pornography, but that's not a big deal.
 
2012-11-01 12:15:54 PM  

mitchcumstein1: A month or so ago, at my church, they had a special guest speaker from Kansas Right to Life in the middle of mass, I got up and walked out. Haven't been back.

I'm disgusted with the Church right now. Of course, my bishop was also just in court for covering up child pornography, but that's not a big deal.


We avoid those types of speakers. I attend a rather liberal parish. During the homily, people were walking out; it was a 5:30 mass, so there were only about 100 in attendance. About 40 people left and didn't bother with Communion. To say they were upset is putting it mildly.

Nabb1: Walk out right after communion. That never happens.


Heh.
 
2012-11-01 12:17:07 PM  
That'll teach 'em, subby.
 
2012-11-01 12:17:56 PM  

mitchcumstein1: The English Major: We had a priest last weekend in this selfsame diocese give a 30 minute homily on why Obama was "a babykiller."

A month or so ago, at my church, they had a special guest speaker from Kansas Right to Life in the middle of mass, I got up and walked out. Haven't been back.

I'm disgusted with the Church right now. Of course, my bishop was also just in court for covering up child pornography, but that's not a big deal.


Do you have any Jesuit parishes in your neck of the woods?
 
2012-11-01 12:25:10 PM  

The English Major: We avoid those types of speakers. I attend a rather liberal parish. During the homily, people were walking out; it was a 5:30 mass, so there were only about 100 in attendance. About 40 people left and didn't bother with Communion. To say they were upset is putting it mildly.


See, I thought I was in a more liberal parish too, mostly college educated parents, who I thought just cared about good schools and good roads, but some of the people are farking crazy. I had a lady biatch and moan about donating cans to get kids meals on the weekend because they only eat at school. What the fark is that?

Nabb1: Do you have any Jesuit parishes in your neck of the woods?


Jesuit parishes? I don't think so. We have a Jesuit college though, and I used to go mass there, but it's a long drive.
 
2012-11-01 12:31:31 PM  
Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.

The IRS has spoken. Now release the hounds.
 
2012-11-01 12:34:19 PM  

The Third Man: Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.

The IRS has spoken. Now release the hounds.


He didn't say "Don't vote for Obama." He said Obama's and the Democrats' positions are in direct conflict with the Roman Catholic church. Then he said that people should vote. What's the problem with that, except that you disagree with it?

/polishing of turd
 
2012-11-01 12:37:13 PM  

mitchcumstein1: See, I thought I was in a more liberal parish too, mostly college educated parents, who I thought just cared about good schools and good roads, but some of the people are farking crazy. I had a lady biatch and moan about donating cans to get kids meals on the weekend because they only eat at school. What the fark is that?


We do have our share of...more colorful members, especially since our church absorbed another parish that was comprised mostly of...more conservative, pre-Vatican II folks whose ideas are kind of rooted in the 50. The 1850s. But for the most part, they are not a vocal part of the church. Our food pantry and is pretty well stocked and no one in their right mind would ever complain about bringing canned goods. Hell, we do the angel tree every year and the names are gone usually the same weekend it's put up.

All the good things the church is capable of doing is undone by the papal stance on Roe VS Wade, which is more about right to privacy and less about abortion. I will not be ashamed of being Catholic, but I will be ashamed that someone like that thinks he speaks for everyone in his diocese.
 
2012-11-01 12:40:11 PM  
Attend. And heckle.
 
2012-11-01 12:40:37 PM  

GooberMcFly: The Third Man: Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.

The IRS has spoken. Now release the hounds.

He didn't say "Don't vote for Obama." He said Obama's and the Democrats' positions are in direct conflict with the Roman Catholic church. Then he said that people should vote. What's the problem with that, except that you disagree with it?

/polishing of turd


Nope, that gambit has been tried in the past by various 501(c)(3)s and the IRS has said, "Ha ha, now pay up." It's the whole reason 501(c)(4)s exist, in fact...if charitable organizations could get away with something that transparent PACs wouldn't need to exist.
 
2012-11-01 12:42:04 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Nabb1: Do you have any Jesuit parishes in your neck of the woods?

Jesuit parishes? I don't think so. We have a Jesuit college though, and I used to go mass there, but it's a long drive.


That's a shame. I think you would probably find some of the Jesuit parishes down here much more in accordance with your own beliefs. Of course, New Orleans is a big-time Catholic town. We've got all kinds of Catholics in this town. If you can't find a Catholic church that fits you down here, you just need to convert.
 
2012-11-01 12:51:40 PM  
You know what Hitler didn't do? He didn't run an international homosexual child abuse ring for decades.

So, in that way, the Catholic church is worse than Hitler.
 
2012-11-01 01:09:51 PM  

The English Major: I will not be ashamed of being Catholic, but I will be ashamed that someone like that thinks he speaks for everyone in his diocese.


Exactly, couldn't have put it better myself.

Nabb1: That's a shame. I think you would probably find some of the Jesuit parishes down here much more in accordance with your own beliefs. Of course, New Orleans is a big-time Catholic town. We've got all kinds of Catholics in this town. If you can't find a Catholic church that fits you down here, you just need to convert.


Yeah, I'd say New Orleans is probably a bit more accepting and liberal in general than Kansas City. There is a decent Catholic presence here though, but it seems like most of the parishes, on both sides of the state line are the same. Predominantly white, very conservative.
 
2012-11-01 01:13:16 PM  
This is why more and more people are regarding themselves as either nondenominational or agnostic. This crap is revolting.
 
2012-11-01 01:17:06 PM  

kid_icarus: A lawyer I am not, but...isn't that grounds for having his church's tax exempt status taken away?


I'll as my mum. She worked for the IRS.
 
2012-11-01 01:49:43 PM  
This is why my wife and I don't go to church anymore. Aside from the fact that it's boring and full of lies.
 
2012-11-01 02:01:15 PM  
Fascinating, regale us with more of your brilliant insights into the world of female reproductive issues, chunky grizzled cleric that has taken an oath of celibacy.
 
2012-11-01 02:17:26 PM  

cmunic8r99: Attend. And heckle.

 
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