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2012-11-01 02:48:42 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Ok, I'm a cat owner. And a fan of cats in general. Worked in shelters in the past and all of that.

But what makes it ok if the load had been rabbits (which are also domesticated pets) and not cats? It's fine to eat some animals but not others?

Now, I'd be pissed if someone tried to eat my cat and all of that, but other than tasting pretty gross (most carnivores do, I'm told) what's the issue? Unless a person wants and loves a cat, it's just another animal, and we eat animals for food.

As someone said above, it's better than euthanizing them and dumping them because no one wants to care for 500 extra, unwanted cats.


The reason? Rabbit stew is awesome. Cat is just stringy and gamy as all hell.

/ csb: my grandparents raised rabbits for meat for decades. I still miss granny's blue ribbon rabbit stew.
 
2012-11-01 02:48:45 PM  

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Good call. I still thought of the band with Jon Spencer though.
 
2012-11-01 02:50:48 PM  
I was going to get me some chinese for lunch. I'm not bullshiatting. Haven't had General Tso's chicken in a while and I'm sick of Chipotle. I am now reconsidering my plans.
 
2012-11-01 02:57:45 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: the way the Chinese kill/prepare cats to be eaten is beyond cruel,


Can you follow up on this. The only thing I've ever seen related is some video that was viral ~ 8 years ago of some guy killing a smallish cat on a restaurant food preparation table. I never thought much about it. He hit it twice, the animal went unresponsive and he started in, end of video.

Is it the hacking them apart thing? No worse than poultry or slicing a cows neck to kill it ( the only way to make "kosher" meat, so entirely common ).
 
2012-11-01 02:58:43 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Because rabbits are farmed for their meat just like cows, cats are not. Secondly a butchered cat with the paws removed looks exactly like a butchered rabbit. What was probably happening is fraud, the supplier was going to butcher the cats and sell them as rabbit meat.


This. I'm sure if you asked the general populace about eating cats in China they'd probably be offended. Not as offended as we would be but I bet the typical Chinese person doesn't opt for chopped kitty in the meat aisle.

Also rabbits are assholes. Who thought that they'd make good pets? They do, however, make a good stew.
 
2012-11-01 03:00:55 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Because rabbits are farmed for their meat just like cows, cats are not.


People here in the states eat opossum, squirrel, deer and a whole lot of other non-farmed animals.

That argument doesn't work.

Now, the fraud is a problem, but random food fraud in China doesn't warrant a news story anywhere but China. The issue at hand is eating cats, which is, in itself, acceptable in that culture.

I only ask why we care what animals they choose to eat. If they want to eat disgusting, overpopulated carnivores, let 'em.
 
2012-11-01 03:07:17 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: lordjupiter: Noticeably F.A.T.: lordjupiter: Don't try and tell me that the bonds and personalities associated with cats and dogs are the same as other animals.

Ok, I won't. Not because it isn't true, but because you have decided it isn't, so what's the farking point?

Well why waste your time posting at all? That mere act doesn't make you right, either.

Savian: People also claim to bond with cows, pigs, goats, etc. Sorry, but your animals aren't sacred.

Who cares what those people claim? They're a massive minority. Those are livestock animals that do not have the same traits as cats and dogs. Anyone who doesn't see that is overthinking it. Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution. We'll wait.

AMERICANS have those bonds. Few other places do. Many see cats and dogs as "they're gonna work, or they're gonna be food", which was how everyone thought of them for thousands of years. Cats and dogs being nothing but family members is quite a recent thing in the history of their domestication.

Again, accept the fact that others don't think the same way you do.



I accept that some don't think like me, but that doesn't make them RIGHT.

Some cultures eat people. Is that OK?
 
2012-11-01 03:09:26 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: lordjupiter: Freudian_slipknot: It's fine to eat some animals but not others?

Yes.

Hold up, everyone. lordjupiter has apparently heard news that, officially and finally, there are foods that are wrong and ones that are right.

Have you compiled a full list of what is appropriate to eat so we can make sure other countries conform to the only correct way?


More extremist thinking from a frustrated internet warrior.

Just because I believe that the differences in many animals is clear enough to make distinctions between "food" and "not food" doesn't mean I'm responsible for fixing everyone, or satisfying you.
 
2012-11-01 03:09:55 PM  
Caturday is the day those cats arrive in the chinese restaurants.
 
2012-11-01 03:10:39 PM  

lordjupiter: Just because I believe that the differences in many animals is clear enough to make distinctions between "food" and "not food" doesn't mean I'm responsible for fixing everyone, or satisfying you.


Nope, still looking for a list of the "acceptable" animals to eat, just so we can make sure no one offends one dude on the internet who is the arbiter of correct thinking.
 
2012-11-01 03:11:06 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: But what makes it ok if the load had been rabbits (which are also domesticated pets) and not cats? It's fine to eat some animals but not others?


In some cases, yes. Dogs for example. It seems incredibly callous and cruel to intentionally create a breed of animal that has a close communal bond with something that then turns around and eats it.
 
2012-11-01 03:14:36 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: lordjupiter: Just because I believe that the differences in many animals is clear enough to make distinctions between "food" and "not food" doesn't mean I'm responsible for fixing everyone, or satisfying you.

Nope, still looking for a list of the "acceptable" animals to eat, just so we can make sure no one offends one dude on the internet who is the arbiter of correct thinking.


blah blah blah trite appeal to subjectivity blah blah blah

"Don't eat cats and dogs, they're not like cows." It's not hard. That's all you need to know when discussing the topic of eating cats and dogs. Don't do it. And again, if you can't see the difference between a cat and a cow, bring a cow into your house as a pet and live on a webcam. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
2012-11-01 03:14:48 PM  

lordjupiter: Noticeably F.A.T.: lordjupiter: Don't try and tell me that the bonds and personalities associated with cats and dogs are the same as other animals.

Ok, I won't. Not because it isn't true, but because you have decided it isn't, so what's the farking point?

Well why waste your time posting at all? That mere act doesn't make you right, either.

Savian: People also claim to bond with cows, pigs, goats, etc. Sorry, but your animals aren't sacred.

Who cares what those people claim? They're a massive minority. Those are livestock animals that do not have the same traits as cats and dogs. Anyone who doesn't see that is overthinking it. Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution. We'll wait.


You can house train a pig. They're highly intelligent, as animals go, and very affectionate. By your standard, they should be off the dinner table.

The only reason you're OK with eating livestock animals is because you're used to the idea of eating them. And that's fine. I'm used to the idea of eating them, and do eat them, probably more often than is good for me, and I don't eat cats.

But I also don't run around trying to justify my stance with anything more than "because that's what I want to do." There is no logical argument supporting the idea that it would be any more immoral to eat a cat than a pig. There is only an emotional argument, and once you start arguing from emotion, it depends on what the individual arguer happens to be emotionally attached to. That you, yourself, have not gotten emotionally attached to a pig does not mean that no one else is allowed to. That you, yourself, have gotten emotionally attached to a cat does not mean everyone else has to.

Or, in short, the world does not revolve around you.
 
2012-11-01 03:15:25 PM  
I ate at a Chinese buffet today.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn some of the stuff I ingested was actually cat or dog.

Drown it with enough sauce, and you'll never know the difference.
 
2012-11-01 03:16:50 PM  
The thing about eating Asian pussy is you are hungry for more an hour later. Why I always order extra.

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2012-11-01 03:18:28 PM  

lordjupiter: Noticeably F.A.T.: lordjupiter: Don't try and tell me that the bonds and personalities associated with cats and dogs are the same as other animals.

Ok, I won't. Not because it isn't true, but because you have decided it isn't, so what's the farking point?

Well why waste your time posting at all? That mere act doesn't make you right, either.

Savian: People also claim to bond with cows, pigs, goats, etc. Sorry, but your animals aren't sacred.

Who cares what those people claim? They're a massive minority. Those are livestock animals that do not have the same traits as cats and dogs. Anyone who doesn't see that is overthinking it. Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution. We'll wait.


Yeah, the Chinese are a massive minority. Sure.


Cat owners are a minority. More people eat cats than own cats.
 
2012-11-01 03:20:46 PM  
The Chinese are gradually realizing that it's a bit of a dick move to breed companion animals and then turn around and eat them when many food alternatives exist. So they intercept these trucks. There's at least one lady who single handedly looks after the rescues. She has hundreds of cats and dogs.
 
2012-11-01 03:21:08 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: In some cases, yes. Dogs for example. It seems incredibly callous and cruel to intentionally create a breed of animal that has a close communal bond with something that then turns around and eats it.


As opposed to our own society that rounds up strays, kills them, and dumps the corpses?
 
2012-11-01 03:21:53 PM  

lordjupiter: "Don't eat cats and dogs, they're not like cows." It's not hard.


No, it's just ridiculously arbitrary.
 
2012-11-01 03:23:26 PM  

lordjupiter: Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution.


Try to housetrain a bobcat and snuggle with it.

You start breeding cows for pets (killing the big ones off, letting the little ones reproduce), I'll start breeding cats for food (killing off the skinny ones and letting the meaty ones breed). We'll check back in 500 years and see how it is going.


The dogs I saw in China were a lot different than the force bred ones from Europe that went to America. Never saw any cats.
 
2012-11-01 03:25:28 PM  

Bullseyed: lordjupiter: Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution.

Try to housetrain a bobcat and snuggle with it.



Hell, try to housetrain a fully feral housecat and snuggle with it. It'll tear your face off.

I love cats, but pretending that they're entirely domesticated is a little crazy. If they aren't socialized as kittens very few can ever be in a human home.
 
2012-11-01 03:25:59 PM  

lordjupiter: Freudian_slipknot: It's fine to eat some animals but not others?

Yes.


Absolutely.

No one should be eating dogs, I don't care what your farked up backwards hillbilly 'culture' says, because without dogs there is a very good chance we wouldn't even be human, for fark's sake. 100,000 years of mutually beneficial co-evolution, and you want to eat them? Fark you.

I feel less strongly about cats, but there's that whole "protecting the granaries from rodents" theory
and I guess I'm ok with that. So don't eat cats, either. Everything else is fair game (ha ha).

Except Octopuses. They don't taste anywhere near good enough to justify eating one of the coolest, smartest creatures in the ocean.

Hell, I'm starting to get on board with the idea of not eating any mammals at all. Birds, fish, fark you guys, you creepy delicious beasts. I'ma eat your dumb asses. (again, except for you Octopuses. We cool.)
 
2012-11-01 03:28:06 PM  

ShadowkahnCRX: lordjupiter: Noticeably F.A.T.: lordjupiter: Don't try and tell me that the bonds and personalities associated with cats and dogs are the same as other animals.

Ok, I won't. Not because it isn't true, but because you have decided it isn't, so what's the farking point?

Well why waste your time posting at all? That mere act doesn't make you right, either.

Savian: People also claim to bond with cows, pigs, goats, etc. Sorry, but your animals aren't sacred.

Who cares what those people claim? They're a massive minority. Those are livestock animals that do not have the same traits as cats and dogs. Anyone who doesn't see that is overthinking it. Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution. We'll wait.

You can house train a pig. They're highly intelligent, as animals go, and very affectionate. By your standard, they should be off the dinner table.

The only reason you're OK with eating livestock animals is because you're used to the idea of eating them. And that's fine. I'm used to the idea of eating them, and do eat them, probably more often than is good for me, and I don't eat cats.

But I also don't run around trying to justify my stance with anything more than "because that's what I want to do." There is no logical argument supporting the idea that it would be any more immoral to eat a cat than a pig. There is only an emotional argument, and once you start arguing from emotion, it depends on what the individual arguer happens to be emotionally attached to. That you, yourself, have not gotten emotionally attached to a pig does not mean that no one else is allowed to. That you, yourself, have gotten emotionally attached to a cat does not mean everyone else has to.

Or, in short, the world does not revolve around you.


When did I ever say the world revolved around me? This has nothing to do with me. It's biology and evolution of man/animal interaction.

The pig is a borderline stock animal, I know. But it still lacks many of the characteristics of the cat and the dog. This is problematic for some, and not for others. I make my own choice in that matter. But the point is that it is OBVIOUS that a cat or a dog is VASTLY different from many other animals in MANY ways that make the harvesting of them as food commodities far MORE barbaric than doing the same thing with animals more prone to livestock traits.

Tolerance of consumption of a close companion to humans isn't a more enlightened perspective. It's more barbaric. It's eating your allies. It's a violation of our evolutionary covenants with those species.
 
2012-11-01 03:30:23 PM  

Bullseyed: lordjupiter: Noticeably F.A.T.: lordjupiter: Don't try and tell me that the bonds and personalities associated with cats and dogs are the same as other animals.

Ok, I won't. Not because it isn't true, but because you have decided it isn't, so what's the farking point?

Well why waste your time posting at all? That mere act doesn't make you right, either.

Savian: People also claim to bond with cows, pigs, goats, etc. Sorry, but your animals aren't sacred.

Who cares what those people claim? They're a massive minority. Those are livestock animals that do not have the same traits as cats and dogs. Anyone who doesn't see that is overthinking it. Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution. We'll wait.

Yeah, the Chinese are a massive minority. Sure.


Cat owners are a minority. More people eat cats than own cats.



If you're going to pull stats out of your ass, wipe them off before posting
 
2012-11-01 03:31:58 PM  

Bullseyed: lordjupiter: Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution.

Try to housetrain a bobcat and snuggle with it.

You start breeding cows for pets (killing the big ones off, letting the little ones reproduce), I'll start breeding cats for food (killing off the skinny ones and letting the meaty ones breed). We'll check back in 500 years and see how it is going.


The dogs I saw in China were a lot different than the force bred ones from Europe that went to America. Never saw any cats.




Who said anything about snuggling bobcats? Derp much?
 
2012-11-01 03:33:45 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Bullseyed: lordjupiter: Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution.

Try to housetrain a bobcat and snuggle with it.


Hell, try to housetrain a fully feral housecat and snuggle with it. It'll tear your face off.

I love cats, but pretending that they're entirely domesticated is a little crazy. If they aren't socialized as kittens very few can ever be in a human home.


Actually my wife feeds several feral colonies and they're nothing like you describe. They're better left to live on their own in their colonies, but that still doesn't make them the same as farking bobcats. That's just moronic.

What caused you to be so afraid of cats? One bite you when you were a kid (assuming you're not still a kid)?
 
2012-11-01 03:34:15 PM  

lordjupiter:
Tolerance of consumption of a close companion to humans isn't a more enlightened perspective. It's more barbaric. It's eating your allies. It's a violation of our evolutionary covenants with those species.


I LIKE THE CUT OF YOUR JIB.

er.. giblets.

something.

Regardless, when the revolution comes, I will be on your side feeding sociopathic cat-eating dullards to our mighty dog army.
 
2012-11-01 03:40:20 PM  
I love Fark...I never now how the day will go.

I now want to eat a cat.

Knew of a lady back in the day with a pet pig...we always wondered if its name was Bacon.
 
2012-11-01 03:41:09 PM  

gunther_bumpass: lordjupiter:
Tolerance of consumption of a close companion to humans isn't a more enlightened perspective. It's more barbaric. It's eating your allies. It's a violation of our evolutionary covenants with those species.

I LIKE THE CUT OF YOUR JIB.

er.. giblets.

something.

Regardless, when the revolution comes, I will be on your side feeding sociopathic cat-eating dullards to our mighty dog army.


Ha! My uplifted atheist Ostrich riding Otter army with lasers will slaughter your dog army and use the remains for BBQ.
 
2012-11-01 03:42:02 PM  
Who gives a fark if they eat cats and dogs in China?

Pigs are more intelligent than cats and dogs and are just as "cuddly". Yet people have no issues eating bacon. Each culture is different and as long as they're not eating humans, who cares?
 
2012-11-01 03:43:49 PM  

machoprogrammer: Who gives a fark if they eat cats and dogs in China?

Pigs are more intelligent than cats and dogs and are just as "cuddly". Yet people have no issues eating bacon. Each culture is different and as long as they're not eating humans, who cares?



And why is it wrong to eat humans?
 
2012-11-01 03:44:11 PM  

lordjupiter: When did I ever say the world revolved around me? This has nothing to do with me. It's biology and evolution of man/animal interaction.


When you said:
it is OBVIOUS that a cat or a dog is VASTLY different from many other animals in MANY ways that make the harvesting of them as food commodities far MORE barbaric than doing the same thing with animals more prone to livestock traits.

It is obvious to you. And you expect the rest of the world to find it obvious too. Or, you want the world to revolve around you and your beliefs.

Tolerance of consumption of a close companion to humans isn't a more enlightened perspective. It's more barbaric.

It's neither. Either eating animals is wrong or it is not. Making distinctions about which animals get pardoned due to some people having them as pets is no different from making distinctions over who has to be slaves based on whether or not they're black. Slavery was not less immoral because black people were different from white people. Slavery was immoral because slavery is immoral, no matter what color the slave is. Eating cows is not less immoral because cows don't look like cats. Either it is equally immoral because eating animals is immoral, or it is equally moral because eating animals is not immoral.

As for evolutionary covenants with cats - please. You might have an argument regarding dogs because humans and dogs really did evolve symbiotically, but humans and cats did not. We keep cats because we like having them around. We owe them nothing, from an evolutionary standpoint.

Again, as has already been explained to you, it is understandable that you don't want to eat cats. I don't want to eat cats either. But judging other cultures that do is simply not fair. The moral judgment in this story should be in how the cats were treated prior to slaughter. Stuffing them in bags and tiny cages is cruel and unnecessary. But eating them is no more or less cruel than eating a pig. A cat does not have any more legitimacy in its claim to life than a pig, or a human does.



It's eating your allies. It's a violation of our evolutionary covenants with those species.
 
2012-11-01 03:53:01 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Ok, I'm a cat owner. And a fan of cats in general. Worked in shelters in the past and all of that.

But what makes it ok if the load had been rabbits (which are also domesticated pets) and not cats? It's fine to eat some animals but not others?

Now, I'd be pissed if someone tried to eat my cat and all of that, but other than tasting pretty gross (most carnivores do, I'm told) what's the issue? Unless a person wants and loves a cat, it's just another animal, and we eat animals for food.

As someone said above, it's better than euthanizing them and dumping them because no one wants to care for 500 extra, unwanted cats.


Because cats (and dogs and horses) have been used for purposes other than food since they were first domesticated. 10,000 years ago we used horses as transportation and draught animals; dogs for herding, guarding, and war; and cats to kill vermin in the home or grain stores. And all three as companion animals. You could throw in camels, donkeys, mules, reindeer, water buffalo, and elephants in the same category as horses. Every other animal kept eventually became food for us. It's just been seeded into the human psyche over several millenia that eating those is kinda sorta messed up, seeing as how they've been essential to early human livelihood.

Plus dog meat isn't all that great. Either I got tricked into eating mediocre dogmeat or Asians eat it just to get a boner or something, I dunno. I can assume cat's not particularly good, since obligate carnivores (sans fish) aren't the tastiest of meats. No qualms about horse. Y'know how venison is like really lean beef? Horse is like really lean venison. Tasty as all get out.
 
2012-11-01 03:53:05 PM  

lordjupiter: Freudian_slipknot: lordjupiter: Just because I believe that the differences in many animals is clear enough to make distinctions between "food" and "not food" doesn't mean I'm responsible for fixing everyone, or satisfying you.

Nope, still looking for a list of the "acceptable" animals to eat, just so we can make sure no one offends one dude on the internet who is the arbiter of correct thinking.

blah blah blah trite appeal to subjectivity blah blah blah

"Don't eat cats and dogs, they're not like cows." It's not hard. That's all you need to know when discussing the topic of eating cats and dogs. Don't do it. And again, if you can't see the difference between a cat and a cow, bring a cow into your house as a pet and live on a webcam. Put your money where your mouth is.


I'd offer you a shovel, but I think you're going to actually hit China in an hour or two all by yourself.
 
2012-11-01 04:06:02 PM  

cgraves67: I'd hate to work for that company. How hard it would be to ride herd on 500 cats.


Can you imagine if the truck carrying 500 cats crashed into one carrying 500 dogs?

inventorspot.com

/two Chinese charity foundations paid 115,000 yuan (about $17,606) to buy every single dog on the truck, wonder if they'll step in to save the cats as well.
 
2012-11-01 04:06:42 PM  

exick: The irony? Every single one of those cats was kidnapped from a person who named it Chairman Meow.


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2012-11-01 04:07:12 PM  
Forget the 'it's a cultural thing, another food source' for a moment... Live cats stuffed in burlap sacks is f'd up.

A good way to judge a nation is by how it treats it's animals. F China. F their shark fin soup harvest and their stupid 'ancient medicine'.

F China from every direction.
 
2012-11-01 04:07:38 PM  

exick: The irony? Every single one of those cats was kidnapped from a person who named it Chairman Meow.


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Chairman Meow not amused.
 
2012-11-01 04:09:56 PM  

Ready-set: F China. F their shark fin soup harvest


I totally ate shark fin soup, once. At a buffet. In St. Louis.
 
2012-11-01 04:12:31 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: As opposed to our own society that rounds up strays, kills them, and dumps the corpses?


Why wouldn't that also be cruel? Do you assume I can't disapprove of both activities?
 
2012-11-01 04:14:29 PM  
I gets pussy by the truck load biatch.
 
2012-11-01 04:19:21 PM  
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2012-11-01 04:21:51 PM  

Ready-set: Forget the 'it's a cultural thing, another food source' for a moment... Live cats stuffed in burlap sacks is f'd up.

A good way to judge a nation is by how it treats it's animals. F China. F their shark fin soup harvest and their stupid 'ancient medicine'.

F China from every direction.


This!
 
2012-11-01 04:22:41 PM  
Denis Leary has something to say on this:

Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually. "What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the farking truck, ok pal!"
 
2012-11-01 04:22:48 PM  

lordjupiter: machoprogrammer: Who gives a fark if they eat cats and dogs in China?

Pigs are more intelligent than cats and dogs and are just as "cuddly". Yet people have no issues eating bacon. Each culture is different and as long as they're not eating humans, who cares?


And why is it wrong to eat humans?


Because to eat a human would imply murder, which is not cool. And if you mean eating ones that died of natural causes, well, that is a bad idea as well.
 
2012-11-01 04:26:08 PM  

ShadowkahnCRX: lordjupiter: When did I ever say the world revolved around me? This has nothing to do with me. It's biology and evolution of man/animal interaction.

When you said:
it is OBVIOUS that a cat or a dog is VASTLY different from many other animals in MANY ways that make the harvesting of them as food commodities far MORE barbaric than doing the same thing with animals more prone to livestock traits.

It is obvious to you. And you expect the rest of the world to find it obvious too. Or, you want the world to revolve around you and your beliefs.

Tolerance of consumption of a close companion to humans isn't a more enlightened perspective. It's more barbaric.

It's neither. Either eating animals is wrong or it is not. Making distinctions about which animals get pardoned due to some people having them as pets is no different from making distinctions over who has to be slaves based on whether or not they're black. Slavery was not less immoral because black people were different from white people. Slavery was immoral because slavery is immoral, no matter what color the slave is. Eating cows is not less immoral because cows don't look like cats. Either it is equally immoral because eating animals is immoral, or it is equally moral because eating animals is not immoral.

As for evolutionary covenants with cats - please. You might have an argument regarding dogs because humans and dogs really did evolve symbiotically, but humans and cats did not. We keep cats because we like having them around. We owe them nothing, from an evolutionary standpoint.

Again, as has already been explained to you, it is understandable that you don't want to eat cats. I don't want to eat cats either. But judging other cultures that do is simply not fair. The moral judgment in this story should be in how the cats were treated prior to slaughter. Stuffing them in bags and tiny cages is cruel and unnecessary. But eating them is no more or less cruel than eating a pig. A cat does not have any more legitima ...




No, that's all pseudointellectual rationalization and total bullshiat. fark cultural relativity in some cases, including this one. You don't even understand history and the human/cat relationship, so get off your high horse.

And your slavery analogy is totally inapt. Dualistic thinking and reductionist argumentation. A case can be made for anything by some form of specious logic, yet some reasoning is better than other reasoning. Some facts are more important than others. You can't merely say slavery and eating animals are the same concept, and therefore equally black and white. They aren't.

But if we're going to talk about people acting on other people, again, why can't we eat humans??? If all "animals" are equal, and some cultures eat other people, and people are part of the animal kingdom and the food chain, and some animals eat people, who are we to say we all can't eat people?

See how stupid that sounds?
 
2012-11-01 04:28:11 PM  

machoprogrammer: lordjupiter: machoprogrammer: Who gives a fark if they eat cats and dogs in China?

Pigs are more intelligent than cats and dogs and are just as "cuddly". Yet people have no issues eating bacon. Each culture is different and as long as they're not eating humans, who cares?


And why is it wrong to eat humans?

Because to eat a human would imply murder, which is not cool. And if you mean eating ones that died of natural causes, well, that is a bad idea as well.




See my above post. Murder is a legal term and a distinction that is subjective culture to culture, case by case. What makes another human "not food", objectively?
 
2012-11-01 04:28:44 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Bullseyed: lordjupiter: Try to housetrain a cow, and snuggle with it. Go ahead. Start a revolution.

Try to housetrain a bobcat and snuggle with it.


Hell, try to housetrain a fully feral housecat and snuggle with it. It'll tear your face off.

I love cats, but pretending that they're entirely domesticated is a little crazy. If they aren't socialized as kittens very few can ever be in a human home.


I'll just leave this here:

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2012-11-01 04:28:57 PM  

LOTN: Wasilla Hillbilly: the way the Chinese kill/prepare cats to be eaten is beyond cruel,

Can you follow up on this. The only thing I've ever seen related is some video that was viral ~ 8 years ago of some guy killing a smallish cat on a restaurant food preparation table. I never thought much about it. He hit it twice, the animal went unresponsive and he started in, end of video.

Is it the hacking them apart thing? No worse than poultry or slicing a cows neck to kill it ( the only way to make "kosher" meat, so entirely common ).


Perhaps I misspoke. I have no way to verify how widespread the practice actually is, but I've seen and heard of more than one account where they skin the cat alive and throw it into boiling oil still squirming and attempting to scream. This is one of the few things in my life that I honestly wish I could "unsee".
 
2012-11-01 04:44:07 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: gunther_bumpass: lordjupiter:
Tolerance of consumption of a close companion to humans isn't a more enlightened perspective. It's more barbaric. It's eating your allies. It's a violation of our evolutionary covenants with those species.

I LIKE THE CUT OF YOUR JIB.

er.. giblets.

something.

Regardless, when the revolution comes, I will be on your side feeding sociopathic cat-eating dullards to our mighty dog army.

Ha! My uplifted atheist Ostrich riding Otter army with lasers will slaughter your dog army and use the remains for BBQ.


Really? Aquatic mammals riding big tasty bird against dogs? Surely you overestimate their effectiveness.

Our biggest worry will be finding a large enough deep fryer.
 
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