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(ESPN)   While the northeast cleans up from Sandy and people search for their children swept away into NY Harbor, Richard Dent wants you to know that Mike Ditka is the reason the Bears didn't win more Super Bowls in the 1980s   (espn.go.com) divider line 70
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2012-11-01 04:17:14 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: hey were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s.


It wasn't really a gimmick offense for most of his career -- Mouse Davis and the run-and-shoot/Silver Stretch was gone after 1990. The last two years of the Fontes era their coordinator was Tom Moore, better known as the Colts' offensive coordinator for damn near all of Peyton Manning's career there. The Lions offense was similar if I remember correctly -- a lot of 3 WR 1 RB sets.
 
2012-11-01 04:35:42 PM  

IAmRight: Ruffian: ***snip***
NO EVERYONE WHO PLAYED WITH MY RANDOM FAVORITE PLAYER SUCKED AND WAS AMONG THE WORST EVER AT THEIR POSITION, WHICH JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW AWESOME MY FAVORITE PLAYER WAS. ALL THOSE AWARDS? BECAUSE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYER.


This thread made me think even if Barry Sanders wasn't the BEST EVAH running back, he sure as hell was one of the most entertaining. This post made me think of what the most entertaining on-field team possible would be. Not necessarily the best, just the one with the most potential for a ridiculous highlight reel season.

Here's what I have so far:
Offense:
QB1 - Brett Favre
QB2 - Michael Vick
RB1 - Barry Sanders
RB2 - AP
WR1 - Randy Moss
WR2 - Jerry Rice
WR3 - ??
TE - Rob Gronkowski
KR1 - Devin Hester
KR2 - Josh Cribbs
PR - Hester

Defense:
CB1 - Deion Sanders
CB2 - Night Train Lane
SF1 - Ed Reed
SF2 - Ronnie Lott
LB1 - Mike Singletary
LB2 - Laurence Taylor
LB3 - Ray Lewis
DE1 - Reggie White
DE2 - Deacon Jones
DT1 - Warren Sapp
DT2 - John Randle
 
2012-11-01 04:55:29 PM  

roc6783: Defense:
CB1 - Deion Sanders
CB2 - Night Train Lane
SF1 - Ed Reed
SF2 - Ronnie Lott
LB1 - Mike Singletary
LB2 - Laurence Taylor
LB3 - Ray Lewis
DE1 - Reggie White
DE2 - Deacon Jones
DT1 - Warren Sapp
DT2 - John Randle



I got hurt just reading this.
 
2012-11-01 05:05:17 PM  
As a die-hard Bears fan born in 1988, I wish it had been a decade or two earlier.

Here's hoping 2006 isn't the pinnacle of Bears success I see in my lifetime.

/Same with Illini basketball and 2005... my two favorite teams get so close only to come up short. And with the Illini i won't be too surprised if it WAS the pinnacle
//At least I was around for the Stanley Cup in 2010
 
2012-11-01 05:12:30 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Super Chronic: Yes, and I was just saying that if you don't cherry-pick the weakest years in the division for Sanders's career, his body of work includes a lot of games in a tough division. The division was sometimes up (late 90s), sometimes down (early 90s), and overall pretty tough.

I was actually referring to and disagreeing with a post that indicated that Detroit's teams in that era were better than people gave them credit for. They were the definition of average, and the success of their offense was largely predicated on Sanders' ability to break free despite facing opposition that was dedicated to stopping him.

So I think at this point we're talking past each other while being in agreement on the overall premise.


Could be. Thread is all tl;dr
 
2012-11-01 05:12:46 PM  

born_yesterday: roc6783: ***snip***

I got hurt just reading this.


No you didn't. Your brain just hasn't realized that it is no longer connected to the rest of your body yet. Give it a minute.
 
2012-11-01 05:13:57 PM  

roc6783: QB1 - Brett Favre
QB2 - Michael Vick


QB is such a tough call because with the way the league officiates now some of the ealier QB's who didnt put up nearly as gaudy numbers as Peyton/Brees/Brady.

I like farve as being part of the equation but I like Steve Young or Warren Moon as QB2 over vick
 
2012-11-01 05:28:46 PM  

born_yesterday: roc6783: Defense:
CB1 - Deion Sanders
CB2 - Night Train Lane
SF1 - Ed Reed
SF2 - Ronnie Lott
LB1 - Mike Singletary
LB2 - Laurence Taylor
LB3 - Ray Lewis
DE1 - Reggie White
DE2 - Deacon Jones
DT1 - Warren Sapp
DT2 - John Randle


I got hurt just reading this.


Yeah, that's messed up man. You deserve an apology.
 
2012-11-01 05:36:09 PM  

farbekrieg: roc6783: QB1 - Brett Favre
QB2 - Michael Vick

QB is such a tough call because with the way the league officiates now some of the ealier QB's who didnt put up nearly as gaudy numbers as Peyton/Brees/Brady.

I like farve as being part of the equation but I like Steve Young or Warren Moon as QB2 over vick


Steve Young or Warren Moon to have more "How in world did that just happen?" highlight reel plays than Vick? I respectfully disagree.
 
2012-11-01 05:36:10 PM  

roc6783: IAmRight: Ruffian: ***snip***
NO EVERYONE WHO PLAYED WITH MY RANDOM FAVORITE PLAYER SUCKED AND WAS AMONG THE WORST EVER AT THEIR POSITION, WHICH JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW AWESOME MY FAVORITE PLAYER WAS. ALL THOSE AWARDS? BECAUSE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYER.

This thread made me think even if Barry Sanders wasn't the BEST EVAH running back, he sure as hell was one of the most entertaining. This post made me think of what the most entertaining on-field team possible would be. Not necessarily the best, just the one with the most potential for a ridiculous highlight reel season.

Here's what I have so far:
Offense:
QB1 - Brett Favre
QB2 - Michael Vick
RB1 - Barry Sanders
RB2 - AP
WR1 - Randy Moss
WR2 - Jerry Rice
WR3 - ??
TE - Rob Gronkowski
KR1 - Devin Hester
KR2 - Josh Cribbs
PR - Hester

Defense:
CB1 - Deion Sanders
CB2 - Night Train Lane
SF1 - Ed Reed
SF2 - Ronnie Lott
LB1 - Mike Singletary
LB2 - Laurence Taylor
LB3 - Ray Lewis
DE1 - Reggie White
DE2 - Deacon Jones
DT1 - Warren Sapp
DT2 - John Randle


Nice idea. I would put Gayle Sayers on that offense, though. Maybe Terrell Owens instead of Jerry Rice or as third wide receiver -- does stuff like spiking the star in Texas Stadium qualify him? Would put Butkus and Mean Joe Greene on the defense.
 
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2012-11-01 05:38:02 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Mike Ditka is the reason Walter Payton didn't score a Super Bowl touchdown, but William Perry did. For that transgression Ditka will burn for eternity in football hell.

fark Ditka.


As much as I hate 'Bama, I love you for this. I thought I was the only one.
 
2012-11-01 05:53:28 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Mike Ditka Walter Payton is the reason Walter Payton didn't score a Super Bowl touchdown, but William Perry did. For that transgression Ditka will burn for eternity in football hell.


If you have the ball and don't score, that's your fault.

Wiki: "He was given several opportunities to score near the goal line, but New England stopped him every time before he reached the end zone (such as his 2-yard loss from the New England 3-yard line a few plays before Butler's second field goal, and his 2-yard run from the 4-yard line right before McMahon's first rushing touchdown)."
 
2012-11-01 05:53:49 PM  

roc6783: Steve Young or Warren Moon to have more "How in world did that just happen?" highlight reel plays than Vick? I respectfully disagree


I'd take Tarkenton over Vick.
 
2012-11-01 05:54:34 PM  

GQueue: roc6783: Steve Young or Warren Moon to have more "How in world did that just happen?" highlight reel plays than Vick? I respectfully disagree

I'd take Tarkenton over Vick.


Maybe Jake Plummer?
 
2012-11-01 06:43:22 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Mike Ditka is the reason Walter Payton didn't score a Super Bowl touchdown, but William Perry did. For that transgression Ditka will burn for eternity in football hell.

fark Ditka.


Very much this.
 
2012-11-01 06:47:13 PM  

Super Chronic: Pants full of macaroni!!: [www.slate.com image 568x346]

That's it. Richard Dent isn't getting any cheese fries and Polish sausage.

If I may shift gears for a moment, gentlemen, coach Ditka vs. the hurricane, who would win?


Ditka 247, Hurricane Sandy 3

/not a Ditka fan (see above) just love this skit
 
2012-11-01 08:56:03 PM  

Gulper Eel: srhp29: You do know that Sanders played for the Lions, right? Just checking.

He was the greatest ever as far as I am concerned.

This is the Barry Sanders who was in the same offense as Herman Moore while Payton got to play alongside immortals like Bo Rather and Brian Baschnagel? Okay then.

The Lions had some hot offenses in the 90's thanks to multiple weapons. Their problem in the Sanders era was generally a lousy defense.


Link 

December 31st, 1994. One of Barry's greatest games!!
 
2012-11-02 01:22:57 AM  
Someone has, I'm sure, actually looked at all (all) footage to determine that Barry Sanders had a lot of negative-yardage plays simply because he danced around open holes, never (ever) because defenders were in the backfield.

I wish I could actually see this study, instead of simply hear from the people who went through the work of creating it.
 
2012-11-02 01:26:21 AM  

IAmRight: The revisionist history about those Lions is pretty impressive.


I agree, people forget that Barry Sanders was asked to be a running back in a passing offense, and people forget that.
 
2012-11-02 07:24:43 AM  

Ruffian: Gulper Eel: Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years

Are you kidding me? Maybe the first few years you could say that, but by the time the Bears were shuffling to the Super Bowl, that offensive line was pretty damn good. Hilgenberg was maybe the best center in the league (7x pro bowler), Covert was stellar at tackle (4x All-Pro), and Bortz and Thayer were road pavers. To not recognize that line is foolish. Don't forget, they helped propel Neal Anderson to the Pro Bowl not long after Sweetness retired.


First eight or nine years, I'd say. The good line didn't really take shape until the '83 draft class. Before that? The few times I got to see the Bears here in NY, half the game it was Payton getting the ball and having to pwn three defenders just to get back to line of scrimmage and maybe gain a yard or two.

And then some Bears quarterback would throw an interception and Sweetness would have to go chase down the guy with the pick.
 
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