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(ESPN)   While the northeast cleans up from Sandy and people search for their children swept away into NY Harbor, Richard Dent wants you to know that Mike Ditka is the reason the Bears didn't win more Super Bowls in the 1980s   (espn.go.com) divider line 70
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2012-11-01 10:05:08 AM  
Arthur Dent wants to know what that bulldozer is doing.
 
2012-11-01 10:25:25 AM  
Hurricane Ditka?
 
2012-11-01 10:44:31 AM  
More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.
 
2012-11-01 11:13:35 AM  
Mike Ditka is the reason Walter Payton didn't score a Super Bowl touchdown, but William Perry did. For that transgression Ditka will burn for eternity in football hell.

fark Ditka.
 
2012-11-01 11:55:25 AM  

dittybopper: Arthur Dent wants to know what that bulldozer is doing.


Harvey Dent thinks it has a 50/50 chance.
 
2012-11-01 11:57:35 AM  
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That's it. Richard Dent isn't getting any cheese fries and Polish sausage.
 
2012-11-01 12:02:55 PM  
What does one thing have to do with another? I'm lamenting about my fantasy football team today. Does that mean I don't care about drowning children?

Maybe less than my fantasy team, but still...I care.
 
2012-11-01 12:09:57 PM  

Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.


Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time. Remember, he played for the DETROIT LIONS and would have had the most yards ever if he hadn't retired early. He retired early because he played for the DETROIT LIONS, which is depressing.
 
2012-11-01 12:10:25 PM  
How can I eat these peanut butter crackers and drink this Diet Mountain Dew in my comfortable office chair when NYC is still cleaning up from Hurricane Sandy?
 
2012-11-01 12:15:48 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [www.slate.com image 568x346]

That's it. Richard Dent isn't getting any cheese fries and Polish sausage.


If I may shift gears for a moment, gentlemen, coach Ditka vs. the hurricane, who would win?
 
2012-11-01 12:15:53 PM  

SweetSaws: Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.

Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time. Remember, he played for the DETROIT LIONS and would have had the most yards ever if he hadn't retired early. He retired early because he played for the DETROIT LIONS, which is depressing.


Maybe.. but Barry Sanders was also part of the reason the Lions weren't good.

It's hard to have have a good offense when your go-to RB loses yardage every third time he gets a handoff. That's why Emmit, who is overrated, was more effective.

It's easier to sustain a drive if your RB is getting 3, 3, 6, 5, 6 instead of 7, -3, 0, 10, -5, 12
 
2012-11-01 12:16:57 PM  

jayhawk88: How can I eat these peanut butter crackers and drink this Diet Mountain Dew in my comfortable office chair when NYC is still cleaning up from Hurricane Sandy?


like a boss?

gangnam style?
 
2012-11-01 12:19:29 PM  

Gulper Eel: how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years


You do know that Sanders played for the Lions, right? Just checking.

He was the greatest ever as far as I am concerned.
 
2012-11-01 12:19:36 PM  

Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.


Where the hell did that come from? And can you even name Sanders' QBs without looking? Or Jim Brown's? Do you think opposing defenses were keying on someone besides them?

Mateorocks: What does one thing have to do with another? I'm lamenting about my fantasy football team today. Does that mean I don't care about drowning children?

Maybe less than my fantasy team, but still...I care.


Also, this.

Krymson Tyde: Mike Ditka is the reason Walter Payton didn't score a Super Bowl touchdown, but William Perry did. For that transgression Ditka will burn for eternity in football hell.

fark Ditka.


And especially this.
 
2012-11-01 12:21:16 PM  
With great moustache comes great responsibility.
 
2012-11-01 12:21:29 PM  

MugzyBrown: SweetSaws: Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.

Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time. Remember, he played for the DETROIT LIONS and would have had the most yards ever if he hadn't retired early. He retired early because he played for the DETROIT LIONS, which is depressing.

Maybe.. but Barry Sanders was also part of the reason the Lions weren't good.

It's hard to have have a good offense when your go-to RB loses yardage every third time he gets a handoff. That's why Emmit, who is overrated, was more effective.

It's easier to sustain a drive if your RB is getting 3, 3, 6, 5, 6 instead of 7, -3, 0, 10, -5, 12


So because Barry played behind a shiatacular O line he gets dinged for it. Payton plays behind a shiatacular O line and he is God for it? Emmitt Smith played behind a pretty solid Line most of his career...there's your difference. has nothing to do with the RBs skills as an RB.
 
2012-11-01 12:23:35 PM  
FTA:

"I think lot of times you gotta consider the source. I never get too upset about it. It doesn't bother me. I don't know what it is, I really don't. It's been 28 years ago that we won it and I could care less."

Couldn't care less dumbass.
 
2012-11-01 12:23:53 PM  

srhp29: So because Barry played behind a shiatacular O line he gets dinged for it. Payton plays behind a shiatacular O line and he is God for it? Emmitt Smith played behind a pretty solid Line most of his career...there's your difference. has nothing to do with the RBs skills as an RB.


Sometimes when the hole isn't there you should put your head down and get 1 instead of dancing and getting -5.

keypusher: And can you even name Sanders' QBs without looking?


Scott Mitchell, Rodney Peete off the top of my head
 
2012-11-01 12:24:59 PM  

keypusher: And can you even name Sanders' QBs without looking?


C'mon silly; Scott Mitchell was a tour de force who not only revolutionized the QB position, but completely redefined our perception of the modern athlete.

/why yes, you can have some of what I'm having.
 
2012-11-01 12:26:31 PM  

Mateorocks: What does one thing have to do with another? I'm lamenting about my fantasy football team today. Does that mean I don't care about drowning children?

Maybe less than my fantasy team, but still...I care.


Yeah, the headline makes no sense. People are allowed to go on with their lives without worrying that we'll be offended by it in New York.
 
2012-11-01 12:28:54 PM  

keypusher: Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.

Where the hell did that come from? And can you even name Sanders' QBs without looking? Or Jim Brown's? Do you think opposing defenses were keying on someone besides them?


Gary Danielson, Eric Hipple, maybe Scott Mitchell?

/not from Detroit just used to give a shiat about the NFL

At least he wasn't a teammate of Rusty Kuntz.

/I know different sport
 
2012-11-01 12:31:38 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Mateorocks: What does one thing have to do with another? I'm lamenting about my fantasy football team today. Does that mean I don't care about drowning children?

Maybe less than my fantasy team, but still...I care.

Yeah, the headline makes no sense. People are allowed to go on with their lives without worrying that we'll be offended by it in New York.


extravagonzofoods.com

How dare you eat a grilled cheese for lunch when millions on the east coast are still without power.
 
2012-11-01 12:31:41 PM  

PluckYew: keypusher: Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.

Where the hell did that come from? And can you even name Sanders' QBs without looking? Or Jim Brown's? Do you think opposing defenses were keying on someone besides them?


Gary Danielson, Eric Hipple, maybe Scott Mitchell?

/not from Detroit just used to give a shiat about the NFL

At least he wasn't a teammate of Rusty Kuntz.

/I know different sport


Oops
 
2012-11-01 12:34:32 PM  

srhp29: So because Barry played behind a shiatacular O line he gets dinged for it


I'm not going to sh*t on Barry Sanders, but from I what I remember of him he wasn't exactly the most disciplined when it came to adhering to the designed play and follow what blocks were there. He was still not of human origin in his talents and was a joy to watch, but I remember seeing plenty of negative rushing plays that were just as much, if not morseo, on him taking a cut-back lane that wasn't there to begin than on his offensive line.

Someone like him I think would've benefited even more from modern-day zone blocking schemes and more single-back sets.
 
2012-11-01 12:54:16 PM  
And Moore and Perriman were pretty solid WRs. The revisionist history about those Lions is pretty impressive.

/and I remembered those names off the top of my head
 
2012-11-01 12:56:34 PM  

srhp29: You do know that Sanders played for the Lions, right? Just checking.

He was the greatest ever as far as I am concerned.


This is the Barry Sanders who was in the same offense as Herman Moore while Payton got to play alongside immortals like Bo Rather and Brian Baschnagel? Okay then.

The Lions had some hot offenses in the 90's thanks to multiple weapons. Their problem in the Sanders era was generally a lousy defense.
 
2012-11-01 01:08:18 PM  

IAmRight: And Moore and Perriman were pretty solid WRs. The revisionist history about those Lions is pretty impressive.


They were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s. The Bears were floundering in the Dave Wannstedt era. The Vikings were average. The Packers were still in the midst of a 25-year rebuilding project. The Bucs were a laughingstock.
 
2012-11-01 01:09:41 PM  
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2012-11-01 01:09:48 PM  

IAmRight: And Moore and Perriman were pretty solid WRs.


Meanwhile the Bears would break out the bubbly if one of their WRs got to 700 yards in a season.
 
2012-11-01 01:23:12 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: They were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s. The Bears were floundering in the Dave Wannstedt era. The Vikings were average. The Packers were still in the midst of a 25-year rebuilding project. The Bucs were a laughingstock.


And yet if you hear people talking about Barry Sanders, you'd think he played with 10 tackling dummies on the field with him at all times, singlehandedly winning every game they ever won in that era despite having to face defenses with 30 people, 7 orcs, and 12 trolls with pitchforks on every single play.
 
2012-11-01 01:50:52 PM  

IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: They were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s. The Bears were floundering in the Dave Wannstedt era. The Vikings were average. The Packers were still in the midst of a 25-year rebuilding project. The Bucs were a laughingstock.

And yet if you hear people talking about Barry Sanders, you'd think he played with 10 tackling dummies on the field with him at all times, singlehandedly winning every game they ever won in that era despite having to face defenses with 30 people, 7 orcs, and 12 trolls with pitchforks on every single play.


I've only read one comment on this thread that sounds anything like that, and it wasn't about Barry Sanders.

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.
 
2012-11-01 01:50:59 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: IAmRight: And Moore and Perriman were pretty solid WRs. The revisionist history about those Lions is pretty impressive.

They were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s. The Bears were floundering in the Dave Wannstedt era. The Vikings were average. The Packers were still in the midst of a 25-year rebuilding project. The Bucs were a laughingstock.


Er, the NFC Central (all the current NFC North teams plus Tampa Bay) was pretty consistently one of the best divisions in the NFL throughout the mid-late 90s. That was the period that included Farve and Reggie White in their heyday, the 15-1 Vikings team, the Sapp/Brooks/Lynch Bucs, etc.
 
2012-11-01 01:51:13 PM  
They didn't win more because Jim McMahon is a shiatty QB. With that defense and Sweetness, anything less than three rings is pathetic.
 
2012-11-01 01:53:38 PM  

IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: They were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s. The Bears were floundering in the Dave Wannstedt era. The Vikings were average. The Packers were still in the midst of a 25-year rebuilding project. The Bucs were a laughingstock.

And yet if you hear people talking about Barry Sanders, you'd think he played with 10 tackling dummies on the field with him at all times, singlehandedly winning every game they ever won in that era despite having to face defenses with 30 people, 7 orcs, and 12 trolls with pitchforks on every single play.


Unfortunately they started the tackling dummy at quarterback
 
2012-11-01 01:54:52 PM  

keypusher: I've only read one comment on this thread that sounds anything like that, and it wasn't about Barry Sanders.


On this thread, yes. But there have been many threads in my many years on the Fark Sports tab saying similar things. He runs neck-and-neck in the "guys who might have been the best ever but somehow, people still hype them even beyond that, and not jokingly like Ditka jokes" category with Michael Jordan.
 
2012-11-01 01:55:05 PM  

srhp29:
So because Barry played behind a shiatacular O line he gets dinged for it. Payton plays behind a shiatacular O line and he is God for it? Emmitt Smith played behind a pretty solid Line most of his career...there's your difference. has nothing to do with the RBs skills as an RB.


Yeah, you can't really compare backs in a vacuum. Nobody is going to say that Shaun Alexander is the best back ever, even though he had huge numbers, because he ran behind Jones and Hutchinson, two guys who make average runners into perpetual pro-bowlers.
 
2012-11-01 01:59:18 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Mateorocks: What does one thing have to do with another? I'm lamenting about my fantasy football team today. Does that mean I don't care about drowning children?

Maybe less than my fantasy team, but still...I care.

Yeah, the headline makes no sense. People are allowed to go on with their lives without worrying that we'll be offended by it in New York.


Yeah, it's not like any towers fell down or anything.
 
2012-11-01 02:03:46 PM  

dittybopper: Arthur Dent wants to know what that bulldozer is doing.


RIP

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-11-01 02:15:15 PM  
Doug Flutie didn't give up 27 points to the Redskins in the playoffs that year.
 
2012-11-01 02:31:47 PM  

Super Chronic: Er, the NFC Central (all the current NFC North teams plus Tampa Bay) was pretty consistently one of the best divisions in the NFL throughout the mid-late 90s. That was the period that included Farve and Reggie White in their heyday, the 15-1 Vikings team, the Sapp/Brooks/Lynch Bucs, etc.


I know, I was (very clearly) referring to the early/mid-90s when the Bears were breaking up, the Packers weren't yet the Packers, the Vikings were getting by with Wade Wilson and a young Rich Gannon and the Bucs never finished with more than 7 wins.
 
2012-11-01 02:44:34 PM  

Super Chronic: Yanks_RSJ: IAmRight: And Moore and Perriman were pretty solid WRs. The revisionist history about those Lions is pretty impressive.

They were an average (at best) team with a gimmick offense that allowed them to win or compete within a division in decline during the early-mid 90s. The Bears were floundering in the Dave Wannstedt era. The Vikings were average. The Packers were still in the midst of a 25-year rebuilding project. The Bucs were a laughingstock.

Er, the NFC Central (all the current NFC North teams plus Tampa Bay) was pretty consistently one of the best divisions in the NFL throughout the mid-late 90s. That was the period that included Farve and Reggie White in their heyday, the 15-1 Vikings team, the Sapp/Brooks/Lynch Bucs, etc.


And it was very crappy in the early 90s. Sanders played from 89-98, so most of the time it was a weak division.
 
2012-11-01 02:44:57 PM  

Gulper Eel: Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years


Are you kidding me? Maybe the first few years you could say that, but by the time the Bears were shuffling to the Super Bowl, that offensive line was pretty damn good. Hilgenberg was maybe the best center in the league (7x pro bowler), Covert was stellar at tackle (4x All-Pro), and Bortz and Thayer were road pavers. To not recognize that line is foolish. Don't forget, they helped propel Neal Anderson to the Pro Bowl not long after Sweetness retired.
 
2012-11-01 02:48:24 PM  

Ruffian: Are you kidding me? Maybe the first few years you could say that, but by the time the Bears were shuffling to the Super Bowl, that offensive line was pretty damn good. Hilgenberg was maybe the best center in the league (7x pro bowler), Covert was stellar at tackle (4x All-Pro), and Bortz and Thayer were road pavers. To not recognize that line is foolish. Don't forget, they helped propel Neal Anderson to the Pro Bowl not long after Sweetness retired.


NO EVERYONE WHO PLAYED WITH MY RANDOM FAVORITE PLAYER SUCKED AND WAS AMONG THE WORST EVER AT THEIR POSITION, WHICH JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW AWESOME MY FAVORITE PLAYER WAS. ALL THOSE AWARDS? BECAUSE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYER.
 
2012-11-01 02:50:19 PM  

MugzyBrown: SweetSaws: Gulper Eel: More like Sweetness couldn't carry an entire offense every farking year, especially after the Charles Martin cheapshot on McMahon (who was already having a lousy year).

Anybody who thinks there's ever been a better offensive player than Walter Payton can ask themselves how Barry Sanders or Jim Brown would've done playing in an utter shiatburger of a Bears offense for 13 years, or how many passes Jerry Rice would've caught with the likes of Bob Avellini, Steve Fuller and Rusty Lisch quarterbacking, or how many dazzling throws a Manning or Montana would've gotten off behind offensive lines that gave it up faster than a closeted evangelical at a rest stop glory hole.

Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time. Remember, he played for the DETROIT LIONS and would have had the most yards ever if he hadn't retired early. He retired early because he played for the DETROIT LIONS, which is depressing.

Maybe.. but Barry Sanders was also part of the reason the Lions weren't good.

It's hard to have have a good offense when your go-to RB loses yardage every third time he gets a handoff. That's why Emmit, who is overrated, was more effective.

It's easier to sustain a drive if your RB is getting 3, 3, 6, 5, 6 instead of 7, -3, 0, 10, -5, 12


I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'll assume I'm right. Didn't Sanders lead the league one year in yards gained AND yards lost behind the line of scrimmage?
 
2012-11-01 03:01:10 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Mike Ditka is the reason Walter Payton didn't score a Super Bowl touchdown, but William Perry did. For that transgression Ditka will burn for eternity in football hell.

fark Ditka.


At one point, Ditka was talked about as a Republican candidate for U.S. Senate from Illinois after Jack Ryan withdrew (Alan Keyes ended up running. It was hilarious).
The Democratic candidate, Barack Obama (perhaps you've heard of him), won handily. Someone asked him after the fact what he kind of chance he would have had against the coach. He said, "Anybody who would give the ball to Refrigerator Perry instead of Sweetness doesn't have very good judgment."
 
2012-11-01 03:18:30 PM  
I think the '85 Patriots put up such a good fight in that 46-10 loss that they left the Bears battered and bruised and unable to compete over the following seasons. Yeah, that's the ticket...
 
2012-11-01 03:41:32 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Super Chronic: Er, the NFC Central (all the current NFC North teams plus Tampa Bay) was pretty consistently one of the best divisions in the NFL throughout the mid-late 90s. That was the period that included Farve and Reggie White in their heyday, the 15-1 Vikings team, the Sapp/Brooks/Lynch Bucs, etc.

I know, I was (very clearly) referring to the early/mid-90s when the Bears were breaking up, the Packers weren't yet the Packers, the Vikings were getting by with Wade Wilson and a young Rich Gannon and the Bucs never finished with more than 7 wins.


Yes, and I was just saying that if you don't cherry-pick the weakest years in the division for Sanders's career, his body of work includes a lot of games in a tough division. The division was sometimes up (late 90s), sometimes down (early 90s), and overall pretty tough.
 
2012-11-01 03:50:02 PM  

Super Chronic: Yes, and I was just saying that if you don't cherry-pick the weakest years in the division for Sanders's career, his body of work includes a lot of games in a tough division. The division was sometimes up (late 90s), sometimes down (early 90s), and overall pretty tough.


I was actually referring to and disagreeing with a post that indicated that Detroit's teams in that era were better than people gave them credit for. They were the definition of average, and the success of their offense was largely predicated on Sanders' ability to break free despite facing opposition that was dedicated to stopping him.

So I think at this point we're talking past each other while being in agreement on the overall premise.
 
2012-11-01 04:02:11 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I was actually referring to and disagreeing with a post that indicated that Detroit's teams in that era were better than people gave them credit for.


Being average IS better than people give them credit for. And their offense was well above average many of those years.

/defense sucked, though
 
2012-11-01 04:13:44 PM  
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