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2012-11-01 12:53:15 PM  
No sense rebuilding. The show is dreadful. Too bad because O'Quinn's character could have really been pretty cool.
 
2012-11-01 01:17:09 PM  
Huh. That's... kind of a shame.

(Spoilery discussion follows.)

So far it's just really slow. Glacial, honestly. O'Quinn is pretty good as a dealmaking devil analogue - not as good as Mark Shephard, who plays a similar character on Supernatural (Crowley, the King of Hell). Still, he's a good actor and I'm curious to see where the show is going, I just wish it would hurry up about it. It's a new show with some expensive actors (Terry O'Quinn and Vanessa Williams) so they can't be too slow to get to exciting bits before they get canceled. They're going for the American Horror Story feel, but they're being even slower about it.

The trouble is that there have been what, a half dozen episodes now, and I feel like we're barely scratching the surface. So far we know about one murder in the basement, the seduction of the writer by his wife's hot assistant, and the death of the guy who wanted his wife back. Also there are some birds, for no apparent purpose. We also know that the husband of the protagonist couple is resistant to corruption, because he didn't betray his ethics to help out O'Quinn's character. Not that much interesting has happened.

So far I'm most curious about the black girl who's stealing things. I'm actually of the opinion that she's a witch, and is using the items to HELP people - she's essentially stealing stuff and making protective charms out of them. That's why she steals things that are important to people, like the main character's necklace that was an heirloom. I think she's the one who is the most clued in about what's going on.
 
2012-11-01 01:26:09 PM  
I was figuring this would be a "show cancelled" article. I watched the first episode and though it had potential but then I watched a couple more and realized it is the slowest moving show of all time.

That's why I like cable network programming...They don't force a show into 22-24 episode seasons. They are concise and wrapped up in 12-13 episodes so they can avoid a bunch of crap filler.
 
2012-11-01 01:27:03 PM  
I care more if ABC is pleased. I have all the episodes on my DVR, yet I refuse to watch till the show gets greenlighted for a full season.
 
2012-11-01 01:44:14 PM  

Three-Headed Dog: No sense rebuilding. The show is dreadful. Too bad because O'Quinn's character could have really been pretty cool.


SteelDraco: Huh. That's... kind of a shame.
(Spoilery discussion follows.)
So far it's just really slow. Glacial, honestly. O'Quinn is pretty good as a dealmaking devil analogue...


srhp29: I was figuring this would be a "show cancelled" article. I watched the first episode and though it had potential but then I watched a couple more and realized it is the slowest moving show of all time.


Never heard of it, came to thread for insight, sit-and-wait position taken.
 
2012-11-01 01:49:43 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I care more if ABC is pleased. I have all the episodes on my DVR, yet I refuse to watch till the show gets greenlighted for a full season.


This lies at the heart of all "long story arc" shows. Networks need to do something to reassure viewers that a show will have an opportunity, even if the ratings do not meet expectations, to wrap up all the loose ends.

Because they do not do this, too many shows lose viewers before they even start airing - who wants to be invested in a show that gets canceled mid-season (or in between seasons with a cliffhanger)?

If networks did guarantee a wrap-up (need not be a complete season, just an agreement to pay for 3-4 episodes that tidy up all the plot lines), they'd benefit on many levels - wrap up shows would have much better ratings, interest in the shows' online archives would increase, and they'd have a complete package to deliver on DVD/Blu-Ray (I'd be willing to bet unfinished shows don't get 5% of the sales as "finished" ones). In the end, everybody is happy - producers, who get to accomplish, to some degree, what they set out to do, viewers, who get closure and some satisfaction, and the network, who would reap decent ratings for the last episodes and better ability to market the series after cancellation.
 
2012-11-01 02:04:28 PM  

SteelDraco: Huh. That's... kind of a shame.

(Spoilery discussion follows.)

So far it's just really slow. Glacial, honestly. O'Quinn is pretty good as a dealmaking devil analogue - not as good as Mark Shephard, who plays a similar character on Supernatural (Crowley, the King of Hell). Still, he's a good actor and I'm curious to see where the show is going, I just wish it would hurry up about it. It's a new show with some expensive actors (Terry O'Quinn and Vanessa Williams) so they can't be too slow to get to exciting bits before they get canceled. They're going for the American Horror Story feel, but they're being even slower about it.

The trouble is that there have been what, a half dozen episodes now, and I feel like we're barely scratching the surface. So far we know about one murder in the basement, the seduction of the writer by his wife's hot assistant, and the death of the guy who wanted his wife back. Also there are some birds, for no apparent purpose. We also know that the husband of the protagonist couple is resistant to corruption, because he didn't betray his ethics to help out O'Quinn's character. Not that much interesting has happened.

So far I'm most curious about the black girl who's stealing things. I'm actually of the opinion that she's a witch, and is using the items to HELP people - she's essentially stealing stuff and making protective charms out of them. That's why she steals things that are important to people, like the main character's necklace that was an heirloom. I think she's the one who is the most clued in about what's going on.


Quit watching after the first episode or two. Glad to know I didn't miss anything.
 
2012-11-01 02:14:30 PM  

SteelDraco: Huh. That's... kind of a shame.

(Spoilery discussion follows.)

So far it's just really slow. Glacial, honestly. O'Quinn is pretty good as a dealmaking devil analogue - not as good as Mark Shephard, who plays a similar character on Supernatural (Crowley, the King of Hell). Still, he's a good actor and I'm curious to see where the show is going, I just wish it would hurry up about it. It's a new show with some expensive actors (Terry O'Quinn and Vanessa Williams) so they can't be too slow to get to exciting bits before they get canceled. They're going for the American Horror Story feel, but they're being even slower about it.

The trouble is that there have been what, a half dozen episodes now, and I feel like we're barely scratching the surface. So far we know about one murder in the basement, the seduction of the writer by his wife's hot assistant, and the death of the guy who wanted his wife back. Also there are some birds, for no apparent purpose. We also know that the husband of the protagonist couple is resistant to corruption, because he didn't betray his ethics to help out O'Quinn's character. Not that much interesting has happened.

So far I'm most curious about the black girl who's stealing things. I'm actually of the opinion that she's a witch, and is using the items to HELP people - she's essentially stealing stuff and making protective charms out of them. That's why she steals things that are important to people, like the main character's necklace that was an heirloom. I think she's the one who is the most clued in about what's going on.


I want to like it because I REALLY like O'Quinn and the character he's playing. I'm not sure if O'Quinn is after Henry in order to corrupt the seemingly incorruptible or maybe he & Williams need someone like him to break The Drake's spell (I'm hoping it's the latter only because it's slightly less of a cliche). I'm hanging in there, though. I'm sure they're going someplace but, like you said, it's painfully slow. And then there are things that just drive me crazy--just stupid things in the show that regular people just wouldn't do. Jane goes everywhere in her freakin' bare feet, even down to the basement. The writer wants to break his lease rather than just tell his wife that her assistant keeps coming on to him (granted, after he'd been watching her for a few days). Jane taking the suitcase out of the weird room in the basement. And the dialogue is just awful sometimes.

But on the bright side, their version of "monster of the week" seems to have gotten better. The guy w/the zombie wife wasn't so great but the needy woman who always ends up killing her lover? That was cool. And I REALLY liked the obituary writer. Haven't gotten beyond the 3rd episode (rest is on the DVR) but I have hope.
 
2012-11-01 02:31:59 PM  

LesserEvil: This lies at the heart of all "long story arc" shows. Networks need to do something to reassure viewers that a show will have an opportunity, even if the ratings do not meet expectations, to wrap up all the loose ends.

Because they do not do this, too many shows lose viewers before they even start airing - who wants to be invested in a show that gets canceled mid-season (or in between seasons with a cliffhanger)?


The flipside to that is that even when shows get a definitive end date, they still manage to screw it up a lot. I didn't mind Jericho getting another short season, but thought the season one ending was way better than the season two ending that "explained everything."

I've honestly never found it a problem, and it's not like arced shows haven't succeeded in the past. Lost didn't have a problem finding an audience and Revolution hasn't really struggled this year. I know Last Resort won't get a second season and will be lucky to finish it's first, but I'm still watching it because it's a good show. I don't know why people refuse to look at the beautiful trees just because the forest might burn down. One of my favorite shows ever, Terriers, ended on a cliffhanger, but it didn't change how I felt about the 13 episodes that did air (though it did get more of an ending than some shows get).
 
2012-11-01 03:24:00 PM  

LesserEvil: If networks did guarantee a wrap-up (need not be a complete season, just an agreement to pay for 3-4 episodes that tidy up all the plot lines), they'd benefit on many levels - wrap up shows would have much better ratings, interest in the shows' online archives would increase, and they'd have a complete package to deliver on DVD/Blu-Ray (I'd be willing to bet unfinished shows don't get 5% of the sales as "finished" ones).


And there's no evidence that this would be the case. In fact, anecdotal evidence shows the opposite: that ratings actually decline once the end date is set. And while it may boost the back-end profitability (Netflix, DVDs, etc.), that money all goes to the production company, not the network, so it makes no sense for the network to order more episodes it's going to lose money on in advertising so that the production company can make a little more in DVD sales. And DVD sales revenues are far less than you probably think (only two shows in 2011 broke $20m in DVD revenue), so you're talking about spending $5-$10 million to earn maybe $1-$2 million.
 
2012-11-01 03:35:49 PM  
I don't think God is their target demographic anyway.
 
2012-11-01 04:21:58 PM  
I'd like to see a sitcom/drama called 666 Fifth Avenue.

/bonus points to anyone who knows what I'm talking about.
 
2012-11-01 04:54:19 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I'd like to see a sitcom/drama called 666 Fifth Avenue.

/bonus points to anyone who knows what I'm talking about.


Howard Stern used to work there.
 
2012-11-01 05:44:55 PM  
Rachael Taylor is a POA
 
2012-11-01 05:52:29 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I'd like to see a sitcom/drama called 666 Fifth Avenue.

/bonus points to anyone who knows what I'm talking about.


Is Good Omens really obscure? If it is, that's sad. It shouldn't be.

Then again, I suppose I'm not in the rarefied air of the Geek tab, so it might be.

/Fark Elitism, from a liter no less.
 
2012-11-01 08:17:34 PM  
Really wanted to like it, but couldn't even make it through the entire pilot episode.

Almost makes Revolution seem watchable.

Almost.
 
2012-11-01 09:45:11 PM  

SteelDraco: ZeroCorpse: I'd like to see a sitcom/drama called 666 Fifth Avenue.

/bonus points to anyone who knows what I'm talking about.

Is Good Omens really obscure? If it is, that's sad. It shouldn't be.

Then again, I suppose I'm not in the rarefied air of the Geek tab, so it might be.

/Fark Elitism, from a liter no less.



Argh. DC Comics is located at 666 Fifth Avenue. Good Omens? Howard Stern? Pfffft.
 
2012-11-02 01:39:11 AM  
I've given up on it - I'm not sure I've ever seen a more predictable television program.
 
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