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2012-11-01 01:27:35 AM
Sounds like a Dagney Taggert paraphrase, IMO. Good find.
 
2012-11-01 01:44:47 AM
Sorry, optimists, but large-scale infrastructure projects are for Communists.

We can't have that here in this country - we're too exceptional.
 
2012-11-01 09:48:57 AM
America: It's difficult to fit a Chubawamba lyric on a bumper sticker.
 
2012-11-01 10:00:29 AM

brap: America: It's difficult to fit a Chubawamba lyric on a bumper sticker.


I take a whiskey drink, I take a chocolate drink
And when I have to pee, I use the kitchen sink
 
2012-11-01 10:47:40 AM
"New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?"

So will old New York be new New Amsterdam? Will they change it? I can't say. Folks might like it better that way.
 
2012-11-01 12:00:18 PM
Except that would involve a reasonable tax rate to pay for such nice things like the Dutch have done and we all know that we can't have nice things because ZOMG TAXES.
 
2012-11-01 12:36:46 PM

Sybarite: brap: America: It's difficult to fit a Chubawamba lyric on a bumper sticker.

I take a whiskey drink, I take a chocolate drink
And when I have to pee, I use the kitchen sink


Pissing the night away
Pissing the niiight away!
 
2012-11-01 01:17:08 PM

BKITU: "New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?"

So will old New York be new New Amsterdam? Will they change it? I can't say. Folks might like it better that way.


+1
 
2012-11-01 01:19:22 PM
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2012-11-01 01:23:01 PM
Just do what we've been doing on the NC Outer Banks for ages: fill bags with money, and use them instead of sandbags. When they eventually wash away, just print some more money.
 
2012-11-01 01:58:51 PM

KingKauff: Sybarite: brap: America: It's difficult to fit a Chubawamba lyric on a bumper sticker.

I take a whiskey drink, I take a chocolate drink
And when I have to pee, I use the kitchen sink

Pissing the night away
Pissing the niiight away!


i621.photobucket.com

I (heart) Fark.
 
2012-11-01 02:02:47 PM
omg commanist fludgaytes
 
2012-11-01 02:18:26 PM
New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.
 
2012-11-01 02:30:48 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.


It would be ruinously expensive to relocate sixty million people who live in our oceanside cities. And that's just cities. If you include all Americans in potential flood zones, it's probably more than half of the country.

Plus, where is this "safe" place you approve of, that promises no potential environmental or weather hazard?
 
2012-11-01 02:31:57 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.


Funny thing about big coastal cities, it is where all the shiat shipped by container and tanker ship arrive on our shores. I know who would have thought that? Why don't they just fly it all in to somewhere safe like St. Louis?
 
2012-11-01 02:43:53 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.

Funny thing about big coastal cities, it is where all the shiat shipped by container and tanker ship arrive on our shores. I know who would have thought that? Why don't they just fly it all in to somewhere safe like St. Louis?


There's nothing remotely safe about St. Louis.
 
2012-11-01 02:46:25 PM

StopLurkListen: It would be ruinously expensive to relocate sixty million people who live in our oceanside cities.


If you count every coast (Pacific, Atlantic, Great Lakes, Gulf of Mexico) it's over 160 Million people.

Link
 
2012-11-01 03:44:40 PM
Mr. Chakrabarti explained. "I think we seriously have to think about doing this in three places probably -at the Verrazano, at Perth Amboy and at Hells Gate-to really protect the city."

What a tool. If you look at a map of NYC you see that his definition of "city" includes only Manhattan. Everywhere else is farked. Screw the peasants who live in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island. They won't be protected at all.

Maybe he can even work out a way to have the serfs from the outer boroughs pay for it, to keep him high and dry while they drown.
 
2012-11-01 03:50:23 PM

Julio Lopez: Mr. Chakrabarti explained. "I think we seriously have to think about doing this in three places probably -at the Verrazano, at Perth Amboy and at Hells Gate-to really protect the city."

What a tool. If you look at a map of NYC you see that his definition of "city" includes only Manhattan. Everywhere else is farked. Screw the peasants who live in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island. They won't be protected at all.

Maybe he can even work out a way to have the serfs from the outer boroughs pay for it, to keep him high and dry while they drown.


take your own advice, look at a map, specifically an elevation map.
 
2012-11-01 06:48:45 PM

Marine1: Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.

Funny thing about big coastal cities, it is where all the shiat shipped by container and tanker ship arrive on our shores. I know who would have thought that? Why don't they just fly it all in to somewhere safe like St. Louis?

There's nothing remotely safe about St. Louis.


No farking shiat. Between the crime rate, tornadoes (the airport itself took a direct hit from one not long ago), and the ever present threat of a massive earthquake (what the New Madrid fault lacks in constant activity it makes up for in strength), the area really is no more immune to major weather/geological/other events than anywhere else.

Sometimes shiat just happens, like with Sandy. Sometimes people bait nature... I'm not so sure it's a hot idea to do a lot of building below sea level, but we can't just abandon the coast because hurricanes/tsunamis.
 
2012-11-01 07:41:54 PM

akula: Marine1: Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.

Funny thing about big coastal cities, it is where all the shiat shipped by container and tanker ship arrive on our shores. I know who would have thought that? Why don't they just fly it all in to somewhere safe like St. Louis?

There's nothing remotely safe about St. Louis.

No farking shiat. Between the crime rate, tornadoes (the airport itself took a direct hit from one not long ago), and the ever present threat of a massive earthquake (what the New Madrid fault lacks in constant activity it makes up for in strength), the area really is no more immune to major weather/geological/other events than anywhere else.

Sometimes shiat just happens, like with Sandy. Sometimes people bait nature... I'm not so sure it's a hot idea to do a lot of building below sea level, but we can't just abandon the coast because hurricanes/tsunamis.


Kansas City could be a somewhat better choice. There are glacier bluffs with tons of limestone in them that are at least 100 feet higher than the Missouri River, and quite a few have been mined. Further away from the New Madrid Fault as well.
 
2012-11-01 08:29:51 PM
Obviously we need to move everyone to Omaha, NE.
 
2012-11-01 08:38:47 PM

Marine1: akula: Marine1: Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.

Funny thing about big coastal cities, it is where all the shiat shipped by container and tanker ship arrive on our shores. I know who would have thought that? Why don't they just fly it all in to somewhere safe like St. Louis?

There's nothing remotely safe about St. Louis.

No farking shiat. Between the crime rate, tornadoes (the airport itself took a direct hit from one not long ago), and the ever present threat of a massive earthquake (what the New Madrid fault lacks in constant activity it makes up for in strength), the area really is no more immune to major weather/geological/other events than anywhere else.

Sometimes shiat just happens, like with Sandy. Sometimes people bait nature... I'm not so sure it's a hot idea to do a lot of building below sea level, but we can't just abandon the coast because hurricanes/tsunamis.

Kansas City could be a somewhat better choice. There are glacier bluffs with tons of limestone in them that are at least 100 feet higher than the Missouri River, and quite a few have been mined. Further away from the New Madrid Fault as well.


I think that this is called "solving the wrong problem."

For years and years scientists all over the world have warned about the huge expenses we would be paying in the 21st century if certain much cheaper precautions weren't taken. Those precautions were, in fact, not taken. Now the engineers are getting busy drawing up mitigation proposals, and lo and behold they will be as expensive as foretold.

And even that is cheaper than forced, mass relocation.
 
2012-11-01 09:08:33 PM
i wonder what it would take for the national flavor to change from personal greed to doing what is best for the masses. my guess is those sitting in power in WashDC would have to be replaced with people who have values, morals and a genuine care for their country and fellow countrymen. their feel good dudley do right concern would have to trickle down to the masses. we'll all be long dead and gone before any of this pipe dream ever happens.
 
2012-11-01 09:57:32 PM
There's only two things I hate in this world. Large-scale infrastructure projects and the Dutch.
 
2012-11-01 09:58:19 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.



Yeah, have them all move out here to Kansas where weather isn't a problem.
 
2012-11-01 10:08:38 PM

BolloxReader: Marine1: akula: Marine1: Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: New New Amsterdam: Should New York Do Like the Dutch Pre-Katrina New Orleans and Build Some Skyscraper-Sized Sea Gates?

How about don't build important stuff in coastal cities where the ocean wants to be?

When only a moderate storm for other coastal areas causes this much havoc, rebuild somewhere higher and drier. Global warming is only going to make it worse. 

/City-pride and stupidity is a terrible combination: it makes people want to build sea gates.

Funny thing about big coastal cities, it is where all the shiat shipped by container and tanker ship arrive on our shores. I know who would have thought that? Why don't they just fly it all in to somewhere safe like St. Louis?

There's nothing remotely safe about St. Louis.

No farking shiat. Between the crime rate, tornadoes (the airport itself took a direct hit from one not long ago), and the ever present threat of a massive earthquake (what the New Madrid fault lacks in constant activity it makes up for in strength), the area really is no more immune to major weather/geological/other events than anywhere else.

Sometimes shiat just happens, like with Sandy. Sometimes people bait nature... I'm not so sure it's a hot idea to do a lot of building below sea level, but we can't just abandon the coast because hurricanes/tsunamis.

Kansas City could be a somewhat better choice. There are glacier bluffs with tons of limestone in them that are at least 100 feet higher than the Missouri River, and quite a few have been mined. Further away from the New Madrid Fault as well.

I think that this is called "solving the wrong problem."

For years and years scientists all over the world have warned about the huge expenses we would be paying in the 21st century if certain much cheaper precautions weren't taken. Those precautions were, in fact, not taken. Now the engineers are getting busy drawing up mitigation proposals, and lo and behold they will be as expensiv ...


Oh, I mean for things like data centers. Quite a few websites were down last week, IIRC, which begs the questions: who thinks it's a good idea to put mission-critical anything in the Atlantic hurricane path, and why do those people still have jobs?
 
2012-11-01 10:10:46 PM

Roto-Rot: There's only two things I hate in this world. Large-scale infrastructure projects and the Dutch.


is it because the Dutch won't let you finger their dykes?
 
2012-11-01 10:20:47 PM

Marine1: Oh, I mean for things like data centers. Quite a few websites were down last week, IIRC, which begs the questions: who thinks it's a good idea to put mission-critical anything in the Atlantic hurricane path, and why do those people still have jobs?


Definitely a good point for that. A datacenter doesn't really care where it's located; get it decent power and connectivity and it's happy. It's almost better off just outside midsized cities away from coasts or known geological trouble spots. Stick them around Omaha, Indianapolis, that kind of thing.
 
2012-11-02 01:39:47 AM
Stocks were up 1%. At least our betters are weathering the tragedy well.
 
2012-11-02 02:37:00 AM

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i thought it was this

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2012-11-02 02:43:30 AM

HellRaisingHoosier: Obviously we need to move everyone to Omaha, NE.


Warren Buffett is a prescient genius again
 
2012-11-02 09:44:54 AM

Julio Lopez: Maybe he can even work out a way to have the serfs from the outer boroughs pay for it, to keep him high and dry while they drown.


Works for me!
 
2012-11-02 09:56:33 AM
Obviously I'm kidding. I hope all the Farkers and their families in the city and the burbs are doing ok, and get power back as soon as possible.
 
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