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2012-11-01 09:59:46 AM  
4 votes:
You did a good thing adopting this pup, now do the other good thing and have him neutered. Like everyone says, he's a dog, he doesn't have attachments to anything, least of all his balls. Plus, he'll be a much happier boy, and he'll fatten up in no time. I don't have a dog, but the cat I adopted three years ago was crazy, aggressive and just plain annoying until I had him snipped. He calmed down nicely in a few weeks, now he's much calmer and getting nice and plump.
2012-11-01 09:49:51 AM  
3 votes:

spyderqueen: The issue here really isn't the elastrator, it's that idiots with no goddamned training on either performing the procedure or the proper follow ups are doing it.


Really, the issue is the elastrator. Lambs and calves have low-hanging scrotums, around which the rubber band fits easily without direct pressure on the testicles. There is no way to put a band on a dog (or a pig, for that matter) that will not look like an attempt to pop the scrotum like a teenager's zit.  Damage to the testicles is severe, thus the danger of sepsis that is virtually non-existent with lambs and calves. Horses cannot be elastrated for the same reason.

Surgery is quick and relatively painless. I raise pigs and castrate them upon weaning at 8 weeks. No anesthesia. They squeal pretty good during the operation but it's usually completed in less than a minute, sprayed liberally with an antiseptic and, usually within minutes the little oinker is back to eating and playing with siblings. No loss of weight gain or growth rate. And they apparently don't hold a grudge - they're more than happy to come up to me and beg for tasty morsels like pumpkins, turnips, eggs, apples . . .
2012-11-01 03:48:12 AM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: Tainted1: You've got a ticking time bomb ala damaged goods, the testicles only amplify your potential problem. Neuter him before the inevitable farktastrophe and you get sued off of the face of the planet

Nah, he's a sweet-pea. And only 25 lbs (fattening him up as we speak). The biggest problem I'm having is that I have to somehow combine being in authority and not terrifying him. He's a good boy.

But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

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The problem is you're anthropomorphizing him. He's not going to grow up someday, get a job, meet a nice girl, and despair because he can't have kids. He's a dog.
2012-11-01 03:04:48 AM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.


It's real simple: If you're not going to breed 'im, he doesn't need 'em. Works for dogs and men. He won't take it personally, he'll lay around and put on the weight you want, and won't go nuts at girl dogs. Win-win.
2012-10-31 09:04:19 PM  
3 votes:
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2012-11-01 11:54:37 AM  
2 votes:

Tommy Moo: RobSeace: Tommy Moo: If elastic band castration is cruel to dogs, then it's cruel to cows. If it's ok for cows, then it's ok for dogs.

Wait, cows have testicles now? I thought only the bulls did?

I thought cows were the species, and then you have bulls and heifers, like deer can be does or bucks. I could be mistaken.


You're correct that is has informally come to mean basically "cattle" in general, however the proper meaning is "the mature female of a bovine animal, especially of the genus Bos" or "the female of various other large animals, as the elephant or whale"... Ie: it's properly always a female...

/And, a heifer is a young cow that's not yet had any offspring...
2012-11-01 06:42:30 AM  
2 votes:

ZAZ: The action caused horrific injuries to the dogs, she said.

Professional testicle excision also causes horrific injury. That's the point of neutering.


Sorry man. Sepsis is in a different class.

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They tried to "back yard neuter" this guy. It REALLY didn't work out. He was on IV fluids for 6 weeks, his prev owner is banned from ever owning an animal again by order of the state of Tennessee (when the Land of Dogs On Chains thinks you are a bad owner... you must REALLY suck), and now he's a couch-thief.
2012-11-01 05:08:43 AM  
2 votes:

dickfreckle: Dokushin: Your dog is constantly horny. Dogs can't masturbate. Think about it. Always fix your animals if you're not going to give them the opportunity to mate. They'll be much happier.

In the span of this thread, I've made the decision to...sigh...lop them off. I appreciate all the input Farkers like yourself have given.

Still gonna hate myself, though. But after I feed him better than I feed myself for a few days, I think he'll come to terms with it, if he remembers anything at all. If you scroll to the pic I posted above, how can you tell me you'd just cut this little guy's balls off without having some remorse? Dude has already had his abdomen shredded by a fighting Pit, and now I gotta chop his testicles off? Just doesn't seem fair.

But yes, it is the smart decision.

But yeah, I'm going to have it done.


Don't feel bad- dogs aren't people. They don't think about their genitals or their sexual identity, they just have urges because of their hormones but no paws to masturbate with or dog porn to look at or even the ability to picture it in their mind so they just wind up humping things without even knowing what they're doing or why they're doing it. All you're doing is removing urges that would just be bothersome to him, spayed and neutered pets are happier than unfixed ones. He won't know what's happened to him, he'll just be more relaxed later.
2012-11-01 03:31:10 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I wish someone would neuter the feral cats in my neighborhood.

Instead they keep leaving food and milk out for them.



There's almost always a local charity that will trap, desex, and release feral cats, or desex the ones that you trap and bring them. Look for the ones with notched ears to see if someone is already doing this.

Call your local ASPCA, and they'll tell you who to talk to.
2012-11-01 03:11:03 AM  
2 votes:

gadian: dickfreckle: But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

It's real simple: If you're not going to breed 'im, he doesn't need 'em. Works for dogs and men. He won't take it personally, he'll lay around and put on the weight you want, and won't go nuts at girl dogs. Win-win.


Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I just...damn I really hate the whole concept of chopping off someone's berries. Guess I just have to do it and maybe cook him a big sirloin once it's over. If there's ever a time your dog wants steak, it's probably after you lop his balls off.

/I'm being too emotional about this whereas I'm normally pragmatic
2012-11-01 03:00:32 AM  
2 votes:

Tainted1: You've got a ticking time bomb ala damaged goods, the testicles only amplify your potential problem. Neuter him before the inevitable farktastrophe and you get sued off of the face of the planet


Nah, he's a sweet-pea. And only 25 lbs (fattening him up as we speak). The biggest problem I'm having is that I have to somehow combine being in authority and not terrifying him. He's a good boy.

But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

i.imgur.com
2012-11-01 02:49:54 AM  
2 votes:

dickfreckle: I just adopted a great pooch who was bait for fights (former owner is currently facing trial, so we're told). Thing is, he still has his nuts. Since I live in the city and he's never outside without my supervision, I want to leave his balls intact. On the other hand, every time a lady dog goes by he runs to the balcony and makes a huge scene.

All I know is that if you took me for a ride in a car and then I woke up 10 hours later without my balls, I'd be pretty damned upset about it.

Any Farkers who have struggled with this decision are welcome to give me some advice.

/balls, man


You've got a ticking time bomb ala damaged goods, the testicles only amplify your potential problem. Neuter him before the inevitable farktastrophe and you get sued off of the face of the planet
2012-11-01 12:17:13 PM  
1 votes:

spyderqueen: Good point. In which case I guess working with someone who knows what they're doing would tell them that.


Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that folks should castrate their dogs at home, just with a scalpel instead of an elastrator. I've been doing pigs and calves for over 40 years and I was trained on proper technique that is efficient and least stressful for the animal. I've also been doing lambs for 25 years. Have never done a dog. No matter how similar to a pig it might look, I always leave that to the pros - my vet!
2012-11-01 09:04:45 AM  
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: doglover: Tommy Moo: Pugh said the practice of using bands on livestock is not unusual, but it is not appropriate for dogs.

More illogical anthropomorphism from pet owners. Dogs are not significantly smarter than cows or horses, and they are less intelligent than pigs. Just because you let him in the house and call him "Jack," that doesn't suddenly mean a dog is capable of grieving the loss of his reproductive capability on some deep philosophical level.

fark yourself and die with a cactus you cum-guzzling beef-witted cork-cocked ruminant.

Elastic band castrations aren't acceptable for ANY animals.

I'm just going with the article, you farking spaz. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why aren't you directing your frothing, spittle-flecked rage at Pugh here? If elastic band castration is cruel to dogs, then it's cruel to cows. If it's ok for cows, then it's ok for dogs. My only point is that cows = dogs and dog owners tend to ascribe irrational human qualities to their dogs because they are pets, which you have dutifully proven with your bath salt freakout here, thank you.


They explained it in the video. The issue isn't that the castration itself is any more or less cruel, it's that dogs will lick and scratch their wounds, often getting them infected and causing serious harm to them beyond the castration. Livestock doesn't do that, I guess?
2012-11-01 08:43:23 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Tommy Moo: Pugh said the practice of using bands on livestock is not unusual, but it is not appropriate for dogs.

More illogical anthropomorphism from pet owners. Dogs are not significantly smarter than cows or horses, and they are less intelligent than pigs. Just because you let him in the house and call him "Jack," that doesn't suddenly mean a dog is capable of grieving the loss of his reproductive capability on some deep philosophical level.

fark yourself and die with a cactus you cum-guzzling beef-witted cork-cocked ruminant.

Elastic band castrations aren't acceptable for ANY animals.


I'm just going with the article, you farking spaz. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why aren't you directing your frothing, spittle-flecked rage at Pugh here? If elastic band castration is cruel to dogs, then it's cruel to cows. If it's ok for cows, then it's ok for dogs. My only point is that cows = dogs and dog owners tend to ascribe irrational human qualities to their dogs because they are pets, which you have dutifully proven with your bath salt freakout here, thank you.
2012-11-01 08:21:57 AM  
1 votes:

E5bie: CSS-
So I've got a co-worker who tells this "humorous" semi-botched at-home dog-neutering anecdote.
He even pulled it out one time to "lighten the mood" when another co-worker mentioned she was grieving the loss of her pooch.
WTH???? And what to do?


"Your story was bad, and you should feel bad. You can now shut up forever, coworker."
2012-11-01 07:43:07 AM  
1 votes:
Pugh said the practice of using bands on livestock is not unusual, but it is not appropriate for dogs.

More illogical anthropomorphism from pet owners. Dogs are not significantly smarter than cows or horses, and they are less intelligent than pigs. Just because you let him in the house and call him "Jack," that doesn't suddenly mean a dog is capable of grieving the loss of his reproductive capability on some deep philosophical level.
2012-11-01 07:23:54 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: Tainted1: You've got a ticking time bomb ala damaged goods, the testicles only amplify your potential problem. Neuter him before the inevitable farktastrophe and you get sued off of the face of the planet

Nah, he's a sweet-pea. And only 25 lbs (fattening him up as we speak). The biggest problem I'm having is that I have to somehow combine being in authority and not terrifying him. He's a good boy.

But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

[i.imgur.com image 640x361]


Mister, it's not "another dude", its a dog. First, bless your soul, and congratulations for adopting a wretched soul of an animal in desparate need of a loving home.

Now, if you don't want that dog p*ssing all over your furniture and having aggression issues, please do everyone a favor and DO IT. The dog will still be a good watchdog and wonderful pet; neutiring won't change anyting, except perhaps for bringing more unwanted dog babies into the world.
2012-11-01 06:58:54 AM  
1 votes:
Long ago and far away I had a choice, pay $800 to have the haematomas on my dogs ears fixed or pay $300 to have the haematomas fixed and have him neutered at the same time (special price for neutering, haematomas fixed while he was anesthetized for that).

I turned in my man card, saved $500, and my dog lost his nads.
2012-11-01 04:56:10 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: Dokushin: Your dog is constantly horny. Dogs can't masturbate. Think about it. Always fix your animals if you're not going to give them the opportunity to mate. They'll be much happier.

In the span of this thread, I've made the decision to...sigh...lop them off. I appreciate all the input Farkers like yourself have given.

Still gonna hate myself, though. But after I feed him better than I feed myself for a few days, I think he'll come to terms with it, if he remembers anything at all. If you scroll to the pic I posted above, how can you tell me you'd just cut this little guy's balls off without having some remorse? Dude has already had his abdomen shredded by a fighting Pit, and now I gotta chop his testicles off? Just doesn't seem fair.

But yes, it is the smart decision.

But yeah, I'm going to have it done.


It's never easy to do something that you know will cause pain. But that's what responsibility is, right? The dog loves you and trusts you -- so let him trust you, and do what's best for him, and he'll understand, I promise. Responsibility is never easy, but when you get your shoulder under it it's always rewarding. I'd buy you a beer for having the decency to even think about what you're doing to your little buddy. So many people just want something they can post on YouTube.

\Salud
2012-11-01 04:34:35 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I feel...strangely qualified to answer this one. One of those rare benefits to being a filthy tranny,

Only at Fark does a thread about dog-snipping take a turn like this! I love Fark. I also love New Orleans. No one does tranny like we do.

CSB - I once got my ass completely handed to me by a linebacker-looking uber-tranny while tending bar at an all night bar in the Quarter. She had picked up an entire table and thrown it at whomever pissed her off. Being the only employee there, I had to do something.Seriously, the girl was like 6'5 and in a terrible mood. I could have called NOPD, but what to do in the meantime?

This was in 2003 and I still haven't outlived the ignominy of getting my ass kicked by a transvestite. At least once a month I run into someone on the street who openly mocks me (I also join in the laughter). In my defense, she was farking huge and probably did play in the NFL at some point.



/end CSB


That is...the best story ever. Congrads, you've been inducted into the hallowed halls of "Asskicked By A Tranny". It's a small, but decorated group, well known for the constant mocking they endure. Meeting is on Tuesday, there's pancakes.

Back on topic though, lots of luck with the pup, no matter the decision. Meet Tanner. He's not a rescue, but he has a big job for a little ball of fluff. Snipped, too.

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2012-11-01 04:30:19 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: I just adopted a great pooch who was bait for fights (former owner is currently facing trial, so we're told). Thing is, he still has his nuts. Since I live in the city and he's never outside without my supervision, I want to leave his balls intact. On the other hand, every time a lady dog goes by he runs to the balcony and makes a huge scene.

All I know is that if you took me for a ride in a car and then I woke up 10 hours later without my balls, I'd be pretty damned upset about it.

Any Farkers who have struggled with this decision are welcome to give me some advice.

/balls, man


Your dog is constantly horny. Dogs can't masturbate. Think about it. Always fix your animals if you're not going to give them the opportunity to mate. They'll be much happier.
2012-11-01 04:18:26 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: /end CSB


+1 for "whomever"
2012-11-01 04:15:19 AM  
1 votes:

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I feel...strangely qualified to answer this one. One of those rare benefits to being a filthy tranny,


Only at Fark does a thread about dog-snipping take a turn like this! I love Fark. I also love New Orleans. No one does tranny like we do.

CSB - I once got my ass completely handed to me by a linebacker-looking uber-tranny while tending bar at an all night bar in the Quarter. She had picked up an entire table and thrown it at whomever pissed her off. Being the only employee there, I had to do something.Seriously, the girl was like 6'5 and in a terrible mood. I could have called NOPD, but what to do in the meantime?

This was in 2003 and I still haven't outlived the ignominy of getting my ass kicked by a transvestite. At least once a month I run into someone on the street who openly mocks me (I also join in the laughter). In my defense, she was farking huge and probably did play in the NFL at some point.



/end CSB
2012-11-01 03:34:18 AM  
1 votes:
FTA:
According to Pugh, the elastic bands used were specifically designed for the neutering of livestock.

Experts on animal health note castration of a dog by banding causes extreme pain and may result in a number of serious complications.


So why the distinction - extreme pain in lifestock is acceptable but not in our pets?
And don't tell me that the ballsack of a pig is so much different from the fellow mammal the dog.

Hypocrisy.
2012-11-01 03:32:22 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: Omahawg: this is what you do to hogs and unruly neighborhood children so why not dogs?

There's a kid in my neighborhood who sorely deserves having his balls removed while still conscious. He's an asshole; my dog is a sweetie. But yeah, I'll call the vet in the morning.


If your good you can drug the kid and dress him in a fur suit, then take them both to the vet with a bogo coupon
2012-11-01 03:31:05 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: gadian: dickfreckle: But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

It's real simple: If you're not going to breed 'im, he doesn't need 'em. Works for dogs and men. He won't take it personally, he'll lay around and put on the weight you want, and won't go nuts at girl dogs. Win-win.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I just...damn I really hate the whole concept of chopping off someone's berries. Guess I just have to do it and maybe cook him a big sirloin once it's over. If there's ever a time your dog wants steak, it's probably after you lop his balls off.

/I'm being too emotional about this whereas I'm normally pragmatic


Get him fixed, then give him a big steak or another favorite meal. All of my dogs have been fixed, one as young as 6 weeks (before I got him), one as late as 4yrs old (when I got him). It's better for all involved in the long run and they don't connect the dots and blame you. If you're really worried about his self esteem get him a pair of neuticles...even though I thing that's overkill.
2012-11-01 03:25:20 AM  
1 votes:

MurphyMurphy: Tainted1: dickfreckle: I just adopted a great pooch who was bait for fights (former owner is currently facing trial, so we're told). Thing is, he still has his nuts. Since I live in the city and he's never outside without my supervision, I want to leave his balls intact. On the other hand, every time a lady dog goes by he runs to the balcony and makes a huge scene.

All I know is that if you took me for a ride in a car and then I woke up 10 hours later without my balls, I'd be pretty damned upset about it.

Any Farkers who have struggled with this decision are welcome to give me some advice.

/balls, man

You've got a ticking time bomb ala damaged goods, the testicles only amplify your potential problem. Neuter him before the inevitable farktastrophe and you get sued off of the face of the planet

It's probably way too late for neutering to help.
Do it anyways, but the behavior is set in after a time.

Nah, he's a sweet-pea. And only 25 lbs (fattening him up as we speak). The biggest problem I'm having is that I have to somehow combine being in authority and not terrifying him. He's a good boy.

But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

[i.imgur.com image 640x361]


I see what you're sayin', man But dogs live in the now, whereas we humans ruminate on the past. He'll not have any remorse beyond a short-lived ache. But to not do brings in all kinds of alpha male things that get to be permanent very quickly. As an abused dog, he'll be very defensive, to the point of aggression, as soon as he feels you have his back. Neutering will tame some of that aggression (if it isn't too late already) and you'll have less trouble with his attacking other dogs; attacking YOU, if he feels a need to dominate; Attacking visitors that he is unsure of.

Just do it, Dude. He's had enuf trouble. He doesn't need to be thrown to the pound because he doesn't like your biatch giving orders.

/really. You're giving him, and those around you peace
//You don't want to get caught up in doggie politics
2012-11-01 03:16:34 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: gadian: dickfreckle: But I do understand where you're coming from, because as we all know balls are responsible for most of the things that have gone wrong in history. Again, I also hate the idea of lopping off another dude's nuts. You can kinda see the dilemma here.

It's real simple: If you're not going to breed 'im, he doesn't need 'em. Works for dogs and men. He won't take it personally, he'll lay around and put on the weight you want, and won't go nuts at girl dogs. Win-win.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I just...damn I really hate the whole concept of chopping off someone's berries. Guess I just have to do it and maybe cook him a big sirloin once it's over. If there's ever a time your dog wants steak, it's probably after you lop his balls off.

/I'm being too emotional about this whereas I'm normally pragmatic


It's kindest for the dog. Unless you think he likes having farking blue balls all the time.
2012-11-01 02:56:55 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: All I know is that if you took me for a ride in a car and then I woke up 10 hours later without my balls, I'd be pretty damned upset about it.


Well, he can't tell time. So it's sort of like his balls just disappeared, and without that critical reference point, he'll probably never really be able to conceptualize the disappearance of his balls as a discrete event.

/ I'm just speculating, here.
2012-11-01 02:53:13 AM  
1 votes:

Tainted1: dickfreckle: I just adopted a great pooch who was bait for fights (former owner is currently facing trial, so we're told). Thing is, he still has his nuts. Since I live in the city and he's never outside without my supervision, I want to leave his balls intact. On the other hand, every time a lady dog goes by he runs to the balcony and makes a huge scene.

All I know is that if you took me for a ride in a car and then I woke up 10 hours later without my balls, I'd be pretty damned upset about it.

Any Farkers who have struggled with this decision are welcome to give me some advice.

/balls, man

You've got a ticking time bomb ala damaged goods, the testicles only amplify your potential problem. Neuter him before the inevitable farktastrophe and you get sued off of the face of the planet


It's probably way too late for neutering to help.
Do it anyways, but the behavior is set in after a time.
2012-11-01 02:42:56 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: No mention of steak?


Just meatballs.
2012-11-01 02:41:52 AM  
1 votes:
I just adopted a great pooch who was bait for fights (former owner is currently facing trial, so we're told). Thing is, he still has his nuts. Since I live in the city and he's never outside without my supervision, I want to leave his balls intact. On the other hand, every time a lady dog goes by he runs to the balcony and makes a huge scene.

All I know is that if you took me for a ride in a car and then I woke up 10 hours later without my balls, I'd be pretty damned upset about it.

Any Farkers who have struggled with this decision are welcome to give me some advice.

/balls, man
2012-11-01 02:33:18 AM  
1 votes:
Boy, they sure captured the sentiment in the expression on that dog's face.

Headline: "'Why would they do this?' asks area dog."
2012-10-31 09:33:06 PM  
1 votes:
Well when it comes to having your pets spayed or neutered, the price is right
2012-10-31 08:53:55 PM  
1 votes:
Do it like Mike Rowe does lambs: Link
 
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