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(ABC 27)   Because people like to keep kicking Lance Armstrong while he is down, an English community is burning an effigy of him   (abc27.com) divider line 71
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2012-11-01 10:54:42 AM  
I wonder what scause they'll take on next?
 
2012-11-01 11:00:54 AM  

IlGreven: BKITU: He'll keep getting this kind of treatment until he can finally, publicly, nut-up and admit his wrongdoing.

...there's no incentive to do so now. He's not getting his championships back, he's no longer involved with Livestrong, and even if he does admit it, people are still gonna do this crap. Plus if he does admit it, the feds will be all over him for perjury charges. So, again, why admit it?



Was he under federal investigation? The US anti-doping association is a private group. Still....

If it were me.... "I've never failed a test. Not once. and believe me I was tested. I don't know how else to prove I wasn't doing something. They don't believe my words or the tests. Don't you think if there failed drug tests or videos/pictures of me doping they'd be all over the internet by now? What's done is done. and it won't ever be undone. I've tried fighting this as much as I can. It's my word against theirs. I'm moving on with my life and hope they can too.

My only hope is that this doesn't affect the progress and goals of the Livestrong foundation. They are the real heros and they don't deserve to dragged down by whatever people want to say about me. Call me a liar and cheat; that's fine. But please..don't take it out your anger towards me on the foundation. Thanks, and God bless."
 
2012-11-01 11:02:19 AM  
Im sure he is crying on his giant pile of money. They may as well just scrap cycling. From what it seems if they banned everyone that cheated it would probably be just one guy out there. Too bad their testing sucked so much.
 
2012-11-01 11:11:55 AM  

KFBR392: If it were me.... "I've never failed a test. Not once. and believe me I was tested. I don't know how else to prove I wasn't doing something. They don't believe my words or the tests. Don't you think if there failed drug tests or videos/pictures of me doping they'd be all over the internet by now? What's done is done. and it won't ever be undone. I've tried fighting this as much as I can. It's my word against theirs. I'm moving on with my life and hope they can too.

My only hope is that this doesn't affect the progress and goals of the Livestrong foundation. They are the real heros and they don't deserve to dragged down by whatever people want to say about me. Call me a liar and cheat; that's fine. But please..don't take it out your anger towards me on the foundation. Thanks, and God bless."


That's exactly what he's done. And the problem with it is that yes, he did fail tests. Many of them, in fact. But people keep looking at Armstrong as though he's the only one telling the truth and like dozens of people who knew him all randomly decided one day to lie in order to make him look bad and take stuff away from him, with little to no benefit for themselves. Because that makes sense. The money to the UCI was just a nice gift for their good work in keeping the sport clean! The positive tests were ALL tainted by lab people out to get him! All his former teammates and everyone he worked with are all lying because they're jealous!

It's either the greatest conspiracy in the world, networking hundreds of people who have never met each other, involving sophisticated lying on lab tests, and Armstrong went from not being able to win anything to "best cyclist in the world" because he overcame cancer, beating lots of people who were beating him before AND doping, the ONLY person on the team who wasn't cheating was the one who won all the races, etc.

...or he was doping.

I'm gonna invoke Occam's razor here and say that anyone with more than two functioning brain cells knows he was doping and wouldn't believe a single thing he says. Hell, he's even admitting that he doped when he can't bring himself to actually say "I never doped" - he always says "I never failed a test."
 
2012-11-01 11:24:56 AM  
RE: sponsorships

I never really got the USPS thing, but the Army/National Guard with NASCAR makes sense if you've ever been to a race. They have recruiters there, they have shiat plastered everywhere and the NG with the most popular driver has hats/shirts/etc. all over the place. Remember that the average enlisted man isn't going Army or NG because he has a lot of options (yes I know there are exceptions) but seriously I've seen 18 year old kids sign up right outside the track. It's a reason for thousands of potential recruits to be ~20 feet from a place to sign up, they don't get that exposure alot. Sure everyone knows the Army exists, but who knows off the top of their head where the closest recruiting office is?
 
2012-11-01 11:28:20 AM  

IAmRight: I'm gonna invoke Occam's razor here and say that anyone with more than two functioning brain cells knows he was doping and wouldn't believe a single thing he says. Hell, he's even admitting that he doped when he can't bring himself to actually say "I never doped" - he always says "I never failed a test."


Funny thing to me is people give Bonds a pass on this same shiat because the very particular brand/type of steroid he was using wasn't banned. Which is pretty much the same thing. "I was good at breaking the rules so the rules shouldn't apply to me" Figuring out loopholes doesn't mean you still aren't violating the spirit of the rules.
 
2012-11-01 11:40:48 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Funny thing to me is people give Bonds a pass on this same shiat


Oh yeah, because lots of people have defended Bonds. What alternate dimension do you live in?
 
2012-11-01 11:42:55 AM  

IAmRight: That's exactly what he's done. And the problem with it is that yes, he did fail tests. Many of them, in fact. But people keep looking at Armstrong as though he's the only one telling the truth and like dozens of people who knew him all randomly decided one day to lie in order to make him look bad and take stuff away from him, with little to no benefit for themselves. Because that makes sense. The money to the UCI was just a nice gift for their good work in keeping the sport clean! The positive tests were ALL tainted by lab people out to get him! All his former teammates and everyone he worked with are all lying because they're jealous!


That's what I don't get. The legions of steadfast supporters who persist in the face of all common sense that it's a witchhunt. That's hardly an uncommon phenomenon in America where we love our heroes. But why for this guy in particular? I mean if we were talking about Dale Murphy I might get it. If we were talking about, say, Tim Tebow. I might get it. But this guy is by all accounts the mother of all alpha-dog big-timing freeze-out pricks.
 
2012-11-01 11:54:30 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: I never really got the USPS thing, but the Army/National Guard with NASCAR makes sense if you've ever been to a race. They have recruiters there, they have shiat plastered everywhere and the NG with the most popular driver has hats/shirts/etc. all over the place. Remember that the average enlisted man isn't going Army or NG because he has a lot of options (yes I know there are exceptions) but seriously I've seen 18 year old kids sign up right outside the track. It's a reason for thousands of potential recruits to be ~20 feet from a place to sign up, they don't get that exposure alot. Sure everyone knows the Army exists, but who knows off the top of their head where the closest recruiting office is?


And you think the typical NASCAR fan that age narrowed down military service as an after high school option, along with "gas station attendant," "janitor," or their safety school "get a job at the same place Daddy's likely gonna die?"
 
2012-11-01 11:55:11 AM  

EyeballKid: And you think the typical NASCAR fan that age hasn't alreadynarrowed down military service as an after high school option, along with "gas station attendant," "janitor," or their safety school "get a job at the same place Daddy's likely gonna die?"


ftfm
 
2012-11-01 12:40:50 PM  

IAmRight: KFBR392: If it were me.... "I've never failed a test. Not once. and believe me I was tested. I don't know how else to prove I wasn't doing something. They don't believe my words or the tests. Don't you think if there failed drug tests or videos/pictures of me doping they'd be all over the internet by now? What's done is done. and it won't ever be undone. I've tried fighting this as much as I can. It's my word against theirs. I'm moving on with my life and hope they can too.

My only hope is that this doesn't affect the progress and goals of the Livestrong foundation. They are the real heros and they don't deserve to dragged down by whatever people want to say about me. Call me a liar and cheat; that's fine. But please..don't take it out your anger towards me on the foundation. Thanks, and God bless."

That's exactly what he's done. And the problem with it is that yes, he did fail tests. Many of them, in fact. But people keep looking at Armstrong as though he's the only one telling the truth and like dozens of people who knew him all randomly decided one day to lie in order to make him look bad and take stuff away from him, with little to no benefit for themselves. Because that makes sense. The money to the UCI was just a nice gift for their good work in keeping the sport clean! The positive tests were ALL tainted by lab people out to get him! All his former teammates and everyone he worked with are all lying because they're jealous!

It's either the greatest conspiracy in the world, networking hundreds of people who have never met each other, involving sophisticated lying on lab tests, and Armstrong went from not being able to win anything to "best cyclist in the world" because he overcame cancer, beating lots of people who were beating him before AND doping, the ONLY person on the team who wasn't cheating was the one who won all the races, etc.

...or he was doping.

I'm gonna invoke Occam's razor here and say that anyone with more than two functioning br ...



I've always maintained that he was doping. From A-rod to Roger Clemens, to Bonds...allegations like that are never randomly thrown out. We've never heard even a whisper about mariano Rivera, Joe montana, or michael jordan. So when multiple people said lance was doping, I was like, "yeah...I believe it."

My post was about what I'd do to save face. After that Speech I'd just up and disappear. Like Thailand or Tahiti...just disappear for like a 6 months to year. Just let it all blow over...In a year...no one will care. They'll be into their next big scandal, news story or whatever.
 
2012-11-01 01:32:01 PM  

IAmRight: DoBeDoBeDo: Funny thing to me is people give Bonds a pass on this same shiat

Oh yeah, because lots of people have defended Bonds. What alternate dimension do you live in?


TONS of people defended Bonds, we had an office in San Fran at the time, and all I heard was "the stuff he did WASN'T illegal at the time!"

Armstrong is ripped off all his wins but will MLB ever strip Bonds of his records? That's enough defense by being passive on the matter that's needed.
 
2012-11-01 01:35:01 PM  

EyeballKid: EyeballKid: And you think the typical NASCAR fan that age hasn't alreadynarrowed down military service as an after high school option, along with "gas station attendant," "janitor," or their safety school "get a job at the same place Daddy's likely gonna die?"

ftfm


Again the branches are competing for the same pool, and a lot of rural places don't have local recruiting offices. Hell even "America's Army" the game was a positive recruitment tool.

Link
 
2012-11-01 01:39:38 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: TONS of people defended Bonds, we had an office in San Fran at the time, and all I heard was "the stuff he did WASN'T illegal at the time!"


Yeah, so you lived in the only place in the world that had a significant portion of Bonds defenders. Meanwhile, the rest of the world was demanding that he have asterisks put on everything and was lambasting him.

MLB didn't have rules against using what he was using at the time. Cycling did have rules against using what Armstrong was using. Not analogous.

/and people have been way harder on Bonds than they have been with Armstrong.
 
2012-11-01 01:44:31 PM  

IAmRight: DoBeDoBeDo: TONS of people defended Bonds, we had an office in San Fran at the time, and all I heard was "the stuff he did WASN'T illegal at the time!"

Yeah, so you lived in the only place in the world that had a significant portion of Bonds defenders. Meanwhile, the rest of the world was demanding that he have asterisks put on everything and was lambasting him.

.


Didn't live there just dealt with people from there. And there were Defenders in the DC area as well.

Only because the MLBPA wanted specifics listed in the rules, so the players could find loopholes. That "technicality" talk is bullshiat, just like "technically" there is no evidence Armstrong was doping. He DID pass every test.
 
2012-11-01 01:46:59 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: That "technicality" talk is bullshiat, just like "technically" there is no evidence Armstrong was doping. He DID pass every test.


Nah, B samples testing positive is pretty good evidence.
 
2012-11-01 05:03:00 PM  
Europeans just CAN NOT get over the fact that the best guy at their dumb little bicycle race was an American...
 
2012-11-01 05:45:25 PM  

JasonThomasX: Europeans just CAN NOT get over the fact that the best guy at their dumb little bicycle race was an American...


So they somehow convinced an American investigator to lead a witch hunt for an American doping agency and dig up a bunch of American witnesses. You sound smart - was there even one single hostile European witness cited in the report? I'm just wondering.
 
2012-11-01 06:48:48 PM  
Wonder what's next.........a hunt for Lance himself while carrying torches?
 
2012-11-01 07:11:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay: JasonThomasX: Europeans just CAN NOT get over the fact that the best guy at their dumb little bicycle race was an American...

So they somehow convinced an American investigator to lead a witch hunt for an American doping agency and dig up a bunch of American witnesses. You sound smart - was there even one single hostile European witness cited in the report? I'm just wondering.


Shut the fark up
 
2012-11-01 09:19:45 PM  

JasonThomasX: JohnBigBootay: JasonThomasX: Europeans just CAN NOT get over the fact that the best guy at their dumb little bicycle race was an American...

So they somehow convinced an American investigator to lead a witch hunt for an American doping agency and dig up a bunch of American witnesses. You sound smart - was there even one single hostile European witness cited in the report? I'm just wondering.

Shut the fark up


This should be fun and entertaining for everyone.. NO.

/ITG of the day for you.
 
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