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(Daily Mail)   Thinking of dressing up your baby in a Halloween costume? Well a rights group says: 'It is not like older children dressing up for fun. It is potentially objectifying babies who have no say in what they wear   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 166
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2012-10-31 10:29:04 PM

Indubitably: Evenbiggerknickers: [www.danthatscool.com image 600x372]

Wrong association.

Grow up.


I'm trying. Want to be my daddy?
 
2012-10-31 10:30:48 PM

onomatopoeon: It is potentially objectifying babies who have no say in what they wear

Inspired by this thread:


That is awesome and I'm just making sure you know just how awesome you are.
 
2012-10-31 10:32:59 PM

Evenbiggerknickers: Indubitably: Evenbiggerknickers: [www.danthatscool.com image 600x372]

Wrong association.

Grow up.

I'm trying. Want to be my daddy?


Maybe.
 
2012-10-31 10:33:03 PM

Evenbiggerknickers: [www.danthatscool.com image 600x372]


Nailed it. God bless Hurr'murr'ca.

Linky: http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk42/roberthartca/g-toddlerstiaras. gif

Remove the space between the dot and gif when copying, then paste and go. Or something like that.

Also, look at the horse cheering her on. Who knew you could even dress horses, much less make them dance on two legs?
 
2012-10-31 10:33:18 PM

katerbug72: Oh please.

Last year:
[fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 720x960]
[fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

This Year:
[fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 720x960]

The horror.


Alright, that second pic is just awesome : )
 
2012-10-31 10:34:40 PM

Oak: We have had zero Trick-or-Treaters for the second year in a row. I get to eat most of the Peanut Butter Cups and Kit-Kats. Could probably use a healthy dose of objectification around here.

/I'm with RareChimer


Aw, that's sad. I roomed with a band a long time ago and they could get a bit wild especially when they threw their weekend parties. They liked children, however, and they would have loved to hand out candy at Halloween, but the parents there made the kids walk in an arc out away from our place as though the entire domicile was infected with leprosy. I encouraged them all to go out to Halloween parties or clubs instead. It didn't make sense for guys mostly under the age of 22 to sit around waiting for trick-or-treaters that weren't going to show up.
 
2012-10-31 10:34:59 PM
Having solved all other childhood development problems...
 
2012-10-31 10:36:44 PM
The stupid, it burns.
 
2012-10-31 10:36:48 PM

GoldSpider: Having solved all other childhood development problems...

developmental


minor.
 
2012-10-31 10:39:06 PM
I will dress my children up in whatever indoctrination I want thank you very little.
 
2012-10-31 10:42:03 PM
Did TFA have a purpose beyond listing the supposed "High Street" retailers like "Toys'R'Us"?
 
2012-10-31 10:44:21 PM

queenstacela: Well as someone who dressed her 18 month old as Alice, I'm getting a kick out of this....


As someone who dressed her 18 month old dog as Alice, I too am getting a kick out of it.

After the first time she wore it, she now runs to it and twirls in circles until I put it on her. She loves the attention. Some dogs are just AW's. The kids at the door have really enjoyed her and she got lots of hugs and kisses.
 
2012-10-31 10:53:15 PM
babies who have no say in what they wear

Oh, you mean like every day?
 
2012-10-31 11:12:38 PM

jaylectricity: Babwa Wawa: If I'm in charge of caring for something to the extent that I have to clean up their fecal matter on a regular basis, I reserve the right dress him/her/it up as whatever the f*ck I want.

I'd hate to be your dog.


I would hate to be any dog.
 
2012-10-31 11:13:48 PM

somemoron: caddisfly: Halloween is the bane of people who hate all things fun and creative. At least they don't get away with burning the fun and creative folks at the stake anymore.

/gotta go. doorbell.
/is it wrong to hand out candy with 18 year-old scotch in my hand?

Hey, she's legal now. And if she's a red-head, all the better. That accent might be annoying after a while though.


If I had her I wouldn't be drinking . . . at first.
 
2012-10-31 11:18:17 PM
I always wanted a baby so I can dress 'em as a corner.
 
2012-10-31 11:19:50 PM

jst3p: jaylectricity: Babwa Wawa: If I'm in charge of caring for something to the extent that I have to clean up their fecal matter on a regular basis, I reserve the right dress him/her/it up as whatever the f*ck I want.

I'd hate to be your dog.

I would hate to be any dog.


I dunno, that sounds like sort of a broad assumption. There's got to be a dog on this planet that has a better life than you or I. Somewhere, somehow...you know it's true.
 
2012-10-31 11:23:33 PM
I don't think my babby was all that traumatized by wearing a Hulk bodysuit. He just didn't like the Hulk hair hat.
 
2012-10-31 11:37:04 PM
My crazy Jeebus lovin neighbor wont let her 11 year old daughter go trick or treating because she says it celebrates demons. My FB page is full of babbys in costume.
 
2012-10-31 11:38:18 PM
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.

First I've ever heard of this. Maybe a local phenomenon?


My doorbell has been rung 6-7 times so far tonight. 3 of them have been adults with babies in arms. One of them didn't even bother to dress the infant up--Dad held out the goody bag, and the little guy with a VERY confused look on him just plopped in the stroller. Last year, the toddlers I got were at least old enough to eat solid food; these babies should be barely onto formula, much less the awesome Take 5 bars that I'm handing out.

/By handing out, I actually mean hoarding and hiding them at the bottom of the bowl...
 
2012-10-31 11:38:43 PM
Hmmmm, let's see... I'm a mediocre nobody who will never accomplish anything of note... what can I do to prove to myself that I'm special? I know! I'll rage against people who dress up their babies in costumes for Halloween!
 
2012-10-31 11:40:20 PM
Fark mobile doesn't show the source of the link so I really thought that was going to be satire pointing to an onion article.

Also, no one ever dressed up their baby before some celebs decided to do it. Nope never crossed anyone's mind to do such a thing. Not ever.
 
2012-10-31 11:40:23 PM

slauer: I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.

First I've ever heard of this. Maybe a local phenomenon?

My doorbell has been rung 6-7 times so far tonight. 3 of them have been adults with babies in arms. One of them didn't even bother to dress the infant up--Dad held out the goody bag, and the little guy with a VERY confused look on him just plopped in the stroller. Last year, the toddlers I got were at least old enough to eat solid food; these babies should be barely onto formula, much less the awesome Take 5 bars that I'm handing out.

/By handing out, I actually mean hoarding and hiding them at the bottom of the bowl...


Next year hand out pacifiers and baby rattles.
 
2012-10-31 11:47:55 PM

lifeboat: [oi47.tinypic.com image 300x178]


That's awesome.
 
2012-10-31 11:54:12 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net

Just put the little Batman to bed after he went through the neighborhood. I love halloween, he loves halloween
 
2012-11-01 12:01:41 AM

scottydoesntknow: [24.media.tumblr.com image 453x604]


pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com

And, because the baby's expression makes the image:

cdn.fd.uproxx.com

And, since it's Halloween, some nightmare fuel:

worldwideinterweb.com 

/hope you had a safe and happy one
 
2012-11-01 12:03:58 AM
I do like the part not treating children like fashion accessories. Seems like those kind of parents would wind up like Dot and Glen from raising Arizona. They'd lose interest as soon as their kid got "too big to cuddle."
 
2012-11-01 12:12:59 AM

TheMega: Seriously?~?~? No one else going to point out that people Trick or Treating with 6 month old kids, dressed up as 'whatever' are certainly not giving the candy to the kid?!?
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.
I would always get a bag of "shiat" candy and when kids didn't dress up (wore a baseball cap and said they were a baseball player) or parents carrying babies came, they got the cheap $1 a bag junk while the rest of the real Trick or Treaters got name brand goodies... The final year I gave them out, I doubt there were over 10 to 12 real kids - the rest were parents holding babies (and 95% of those were screaming and crying because of the Halloween music/noises, strobe/black lights and decorations).


I will admit, I took my 4-month-old dressed as a snowman tonight. But in my defense, I also took my 11YO (his last year trick-or-treating), my 9YO, and my 2YO. We all had fun - even the 4MO - although he did spend most of the night sleeping in a sling.
 
2012-11-01 12:19:56 AM

ArcadianRefugee: scottydoesntknow: [24.media.tumblr.com image 453x604]

[pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com image 600x796]

And, because the baby's expression makes the image:

[cdn.fd.uproxx.com image 468x624]

And, since it's Halloween, some nightmare fuel:

[worldwideinterweb.com image 600x793] 

/hope you had a safe and happy one


That first one with the woman? I am SOOOOOO doing that next time I'm pregnant around Halloween - it would be AWESOME!
 
2012-11-01 12:25:49 AM

caddisfly: Halloween is the bane of people who hate all things fun and creative. At least they don't get away with burning the fun and creative folks at the stake anymore.

/gotta go. doorbell.
/is it wrong to hand out candy with 18 year-old scotch in my hand?


Only if you don't offer some to a parent who says, "Hey, is that 18 year-old scotch in your hand"?
 
2012-11-01 12:27:28 AM

TheMega: Seriously?~?~? No one else going to point out that people Trick or Treating with 6 month old kids, dressed up as 'whatever' are certainly not giving the candy to the kid?!?
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.
I would always get a bag of "shiat" candy and when kids didn't dress up (wore a baseball cap and said they were a baseball player) or parents carrying babies came, they got the cheap $1 a bag junk while the rest of the real Trick or Treaters got name brand goodies... The final year I gave them out, I doubt there were over 10 to 12 real kids - the rest were parents holding babies (and 95% of those were screaming and crying because of the Halloween music/noises, strobe/black lights and decorations).


I took my 4 and a half month old out trick or treating, but only to houses of people that we know. They just wanted to see him in his costume.

Here he is visiting his auntie at work
fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net
 
2012-11-01 12:33:58 AM
Aren't patents embarrassing?
 
2012-11-01 12:34:34 AM
Parents, dammit
 
2012-11-01 12:59:05 AM

jaylectricity: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x789]


Awww, the baby went as a meme!
 
2012-11-01 01:02:51 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Parents, dammit


So what are you drinking tonight?

/Me vodka, have now kids, so it's alright.
It's too darn hot and fark seems to have a problem with that these days.
 
2012-11-01 01:03:54 AM

TheMega: Seriously?~?~? No one else going to point out that people Trick or Treating with 6 month old kids, dressed up as 'whatever' are certainly not giving the candy to the kid?!?
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.
I would always get a bag of "shiat" candy and when kids didn't dress up (wore a baseball cap and said they were a baseball player) or parents carrying babies came, they got the cheap $1 a bag junk while the rest of the real Trick or Treaters got name brand goodies... The final year I gave them out, I doubt there were over 10 to 12 real kids - the rest were parents holding babies (and 95% of those were screaming and crying because of the Halloween music/noises, strobe/black lights and decorations).


firedaily.com

If adults...with or without kids...want to come by my house on Halloween, I'll give them candy.

Especially if their outfits look something like this:

de.acidcow.com
 
2012-11-01 01:13:11 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Parents, dammit


Patents are too.
 
2012-11-01 01:16:40 AM

Krieghund: TheMega: Seriously?~?~? No one else going to point out that people Trick or Treating with 6 month old kids, dressed up as 'whatever' are certainly not giving the candy to the kid?!?
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.
I would always get a bag of "shiat" candy and when kids didn't dress up (wore a baseball cap and said they were a baseball player) or parents carrying babies came, they got the cheap $1 a bag junk while the rest of the real Trick or Treaters got name brand goodies... The final year I gave them out, I doubt there were over 10 to 12 real kids - the rest were parents holding babies (and 95% of those were screaming and crying because of the Halloween music/noises, strobe/black lights and decorations).

[firedaily.com image 299x223]

If adults...with or without kids...want to come by my house on Halloween, I'll give them candy.

Especially if their outfits look something like this:

[de.acidcow.com image 640x426]


Did you give them candy or dollar bills? :-D
 
2012-11-01 01:19:43 AM

Krieghund: TheMega: Seriously?~?~? No one else going to point out that people Trick or Treating with 6 month old kids, dressed up as 'whatever' are certainly not giving the candy to the kid?!?
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.
I would always get a bag of "shiat" candy and when kids didn't dress up (wore a baseball cap and said they were a baseball player) or parents carrying babies came, they got the cheap $1 a bag junk while the rest of the real Trick or Treaters got name brand goodies... The final year I gave them out, I doubt there were over 10 to 12 real kids - the rest were parents holding babies (and 95% of those were screaming and crying because of the Halloween music/noises, strobe/black lights and decorations).

[firedaily.com image 299x223]

If adults...with or without kids...want to come by my house on Halloween, I'll give them candy.

Especially if their outfits look something like this:

[de.acidcow.com image 640x426]


I would give then candy ; )
 
2012-11-01 01:25:03 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Krieghund: TheMega: Seriously?~?~? No one else going to point out that people Trick or Treating with 6 month old kids, dressed up as 'whatever' are certainly not giving the candy to the kid?!?
I haven't given out treats for a while now.. not because I am a miser, but because the last time I decorated and bought candy, over half the Trick or Treaters were adults holding little babies.
I would always get a bag of "shiat" candy and when kids didn't dress up (wore a baseball cap and said they were a baseball player) or parents carrying babies came, they got the cheap $1 a bag junk while the rest of the real Trick or Treaters got name brand goodies... The final year I gave them out, I doubt there were over 10 to 12 real kids - the rest were parents holding babies (and 95% of those were screaming and crying because of the Halloween music/noises, strobe/black lights and decorations).

[firedaily.com image 299x223]

If adults...with or without kids...want to come by my house on Halloween, I'll give them candy.

Especially if their outfits look something like this:

[de.acidcow.com image 640x426]

Did you give them candy or dollar bills? :-D


Dose it really mater when it's all said and done? I think not just say goodbye baby, yes even if it's plural. ; )
 
2012-11-01 01:25:20 AM
Until babies can walk and talk they are (fragile) objects that are yours do with what you will.

---------

Ghost: "Nobody objectifies baby in a corner!"
Lenny Briscoe: "I do. I'm her father; she's 16. What are you, like 30?"
 
2012-11-01 01:49:17 AM

Deedeemarz: And because I am a crappy parent I took my son--who was born at 11:30pm on Oct 30th--trick or treating at 20 hours old because I had a houseful of little girls (my older daughter and her friends and my nieces) counting on it. He was dressed as a basketball.....

And he didn't die, or (so far) suffer some major psychological trauma. These people can piss off.


If woman, you're some hardcore prairie stock there. Kudos.
 
2012-11-01 03:06:17 AM

bborchar: Why don't we let babies make ALL of their own choices? Oh, that's right- they CAN'T.


Here's a quick (but not comprehensive) test to distinguish between "a valid choice made as the guardian for someone unable to make their own decisions" and "a potentially abusive choice made for the benefit of the guardian" -- if your aged and senile mother was assigned a non-family guardian or caretaker, would you be upset if that guardian did the same thing to your mother that you're doing to your child? If you would, you shouldn't do it to your child.

Yes, children need care, and are clearly not always capable of making sound life decisions on their own. But adults in exactly that same situation have a whole slew of additional rights and protections. And it's clear that parents often make choices that, even if not directly detrimental to the child, are done for the benefit of the parents with little regard for the benefit of or effect on the child -- that's a situation we would never tolerate from guardians appointed to adults.

The basic point here is being a parent shouldn't be a "right", it should be exclusively a "responsibility", just like we treat guardians and caregivers for adults. The idea that ejecting a person from your crotch should somehow give you additional rights over them is just as ridiculous as the fugitive slave act.
 
2012-11-01 03:11:07 AM

profplump: bborchar: Why don't we let babies make ALL of their own choices? Oh, that's right- they CAN'T.

Here's a quick (but not comprehensive) test to distinguish between "a valid choice made as the guardian for someone unable to make their own decisions" and "a potentially abusive choice made for the benefit of the guardian" -- if your aged and senile mother was assigned a non-family guardian or caretaker, would you be upset if that guardian did the same thing to your mother that you're doing to your child? If you would, you shouldn't do it to your child.

Yes, children need care, and are clearly not always capable of making sound life decisions on their own. But adults in exactly that same situation have a whole slew of additional rights and protections. And it's clear that parents often make choices that, even if not directly detrimental to the child, are done for the benefit of the parents with little regard for the benefit of or effect on the child -- that's a situation we would never tolerate from guardians appointed to adults.

The basic point here is being a parent shouldn't be a "right", it should be exclusively a "responsibility", just like we treat guardians and caregivers for adults. The idea that ejecting a person from your crotch should somehow give you additional rights over them is just as ridiculous as the fugitive slave act.


An old person could potentially complain, find it humiliating, object and be ignored. A baby can shiat its pants and not care one way or another about a costume.
 
2012-11-01 03:13:44 AM

I_Hate_Iowa: Until babies can walk and talk they are (fragile) objects that are yours do with what you will.


Exactly. Just like the hospital staff is free to dress up your coma-ridden spouse for whatever holidays they feel like celebrating. As long as it doesn't physically harm the patient it's all just part of their rights as caregivers for fragile, non-talking, non-walking objects, right?

I don't think dressing up kids for halloween is a particular problem. And honestly I don't think decorating coma patients is a big deal either. But it's not an invalid point that we -- quite unjustly, and differently from adults in similar care situations -- allow parents to act for their own benefit and not that of the people in their charge.
 
2012-11-01 03:21:21 AM

I_Hate_Iowa: An old person could potentially complain, find it humiliating, object and be ignored. A baby can shiat its pants and not care one way or another about a costume.


I'm not sure how you're determining that a baby doesn't care, or that an old person does, but we'll ignore that for now.

I'm not talking about a somewhat feeble person, who needs help moving around. I'm talking about a 35-year-old that's in perfectly good physical shape but is developmentally disabled and unable to care for themselves. Or a coma patient. Or someone so senile that, while they sometimes talk, they are effectively non-communicatve. All these people would be subject to legal guardianship and would provide the same amount of social feedback (and sometimes less) than an infant. But all these people enjoy additional protections both by law and social convention.

Why? Why are children an entirely different class of dependent citizens?
 
2012-11-01 03:35:16 AM
I would post how I feel about Kidscape and Claude Knights, but I would not want to offend anyone, which could land me in jail for 12 weeks if I ever went to Great Britain.
 
2012-11-01 03:37:16 AM

bmihura: Did not read article due to .uk extension.

Is there a way to block all .uk extensions in Fark? I already have that filter in Chrome, but I don't want to see anything .uk in Fark.


Still upset over that whole taxation without representation thing?
 
2012-11-01 03:37:59 AM
www.mediocreathlete.com
 
2012-11-01 03:44:57 AM

profplump: bborchar: Why don't we let babies make ALL of their own choices? Oh, that's right- they CAN'T.

Here's a quick (but not comprehensive) test to distinguish between "a valid choice made as the guardian for someone unable to make their own decisions" and "a potentially abusive choice made for the benefit of the guardian" -- if your aged and senile mother was assigned a non-family guardian or caretaker, would you be upset if that guardian did the same thing to your mother that you're doing to your child? If you would, you shouldn't do it to your child.

Yes, children need care, and are clearly not always capable of making sound life decisions on their own. But adults in exactly that same situation have a whole slew of additional rights and protections. And it's clear that parents often make choices that, even if not directly detrimental to the child, are done for the benefit of the parents with little regard for the benefit of or effect on the child -- that's a situation we would never tolerate from guardians appointed to adults.

The basic point here is being a parent shouldn't be a "right", it should be exclusively a "responsibility", just like we treat guardians and caregivers for adults. The idea that ejecting a person from your crotch should somehow give you additional rights over them is just as ridiculous as the fugitive slave act.


img.photobucket.com

In most situations, you have a point. But, such "tests" are imperfect. There is a world of difference between dressing up an infant in a costume for Halloween (knowing full well that in a few years they will not only be able to consent to dress up but will want to dress up and pick their own costumes) and dressing up your elderly, senile mother in a costume. Huge difference.
 
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