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2012-10-31 04:53:33 PM
The mantra of the right is that government doesn't work and is the problem, so why would their ineptitude surprise anyone? It's been clear since Reagan that the idea on the right is to prove government can't work and then privatize functions (usually to companies that they have some vested interest or stake in)

/flame on
 
2012-10-31 04:56:37 PM
Pretty much.

"Government doesnt work" - Republicans make sure their mantra comes true.
 
2012-10-31 04:57:12 PM
Much like the rest of government. Mr. von Nostrand has the idea.
 
2012-10-31 04:57:28 PM
teezerscostumes.com
Great Job Brownie.
 
2012-10-31 04:57:32 PM
Nobody is better at humanitarian relief then the US military and it looks like Obama has let them go all in to help.
 
2012-10-31 04:57:33 PM
Hence the official motto of the Republicans: "Government doesn't work. Elect us and we'll prove it."
 
2012-10-31 04:58:44 PM
www.waynebesen.com
 
2012-10-31 04:58:47 PM
[GWB] appoints Joe Allbaugh, his 2000 campaign manager, as head of FEMA.

What the frack? Who would do this?
 
2012-10-31 04:58:56 PM
Also, water is wet...
 
2012-10-31 04:59:59 PM
Democrats pick people who have managed emergency services before and have them run FEMA.

Republicans pick the "Commissioner of Judges and Stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association", whatever the fark that is.

Obama hopes to continue on the same path. Romney hopes there is a commissioner of judges and stweards for the international dancing horse association - or for that matter, an international dancing horse association at all.

Farking Republicans.
 
2012-10-31 05:01:02 PM
Brownie!
Paging Brownie!
Call him up from his horse show judging volunteer work and make him head of FEMA, stat!
 
2012-10-31 05:04:08 PM
Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

wizbangblog.com

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure
 
2012-10-31 05:05:09 PM
Cleaning up horse poop is much like cleaning up from a natural disaster.
 
2012-10-31 05:05:43 PM
See that is the problem with Democrats they are good at making government work. If they would just break government agencies and services we could all live in a Republican paradise where the rich are saved and their property protected by Black Water and the poor have to beg for water during a crises.
 
2012-10-31 05:05:54 PM
It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

upload.wikimedia.org

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.
 
2012-10-31 05:07:37 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


they Mayor broke the levees? It's all starting to make sense now.
 
2012-10-31 05:08:36 PM
If your whole raison d'être is to prove that government doesn't work, then you elect and appoint people who'll prove it
 
2012-10-31 05:08:42 PM
Sandy is Obama Katrina ...

... and so far he doing such a good job handling it that even his sworn enemies are praising him.
 
2012-10-31 05:08:46 PM
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Republican or Democrat?
 
2012-10-31 05:08:47 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


I wasn't aware that the failure of the federally maintained levies were the fault of the local mayor. I seem to remember that a federal court rendered the Corps of Engineers at fault.
 
2012-10-31 05:09:10 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


And Governor of the State was Republican. So what does that say?
 
2012-10-31 05:09:36 PM
So which side was responsible for this guy?
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-31 05:10:52 PM

Draq: So which side was responsible for this guy?
[i.imgur.com image 262x256]


All sides are plutocrats, that is part of the whole concept of deus ex machina.
 
2012-10-31 05:11:03 PM

DamnYankees: [GWB] appoints Joe Allbaugh, his 2000 campaign manager, as head of FEMA.

What the frack? Who would do this?


I admire the fact that you lived through all eight years of the Bush administration and are still capable of being surprised by their malevolence and/or ineptitude.
 
2012-10-31 05:11:09 PM

hdhale: BSABSVR


Nagin was also a Republican prior to running for Mayor
 
2012-10-31 05:11:28 PM

BronyMedic: It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x221]

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.


The Governor of Louisiana requested Federal aid on Saturday August 27, 2 days before landfall.
 
2012-10-31 05:11:37 PM

Peter von Nostrand: The mantra of the right is that government doesn't work and is the problem, so why would their ineptitude surprise anyone? It's been clear since Reagan that the idea on the right is to prove government can't work and then privatize functions (usually to companies that they have some vested interest or stake in)

/flame on


This is what terrifies me. Godwin notwithstanding, one of the most destructive forces that ultimately undid the Weimar Republic was the election of parties who did not recognize the validity of the government and worked actively to destroy it while in office. This wasn't limited to the Nazis and the Communists - just about every party other than the Social Democrats ideologically wanted to remove the Weimar Republic and the two Prime Ministers prior to Hitler did everything in their power to turn the representative democracy into an autocratic dictatorship. This toxic political environment from 1929 to 1932 created systemic problems that the Nazis exploited following the 1932 and 1933 elections.

Yes, it could be seen as a Godwin and possible hyperbole, but I think it is reasonable to remember the last five years of the Weimar Republic when a very large portion of elected officials campaign against the legitimacy of the government and take steps to further reduce said legitimacy when in power. It's not about violations of human right or potential genocide, it's about people intentionally poisoning something they're elected to protect.
 
2012-10-31 05:12:36 PM

ongbok: hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure

And Governor of the State was Republican. So what does that say?


No, it was Blanco and she's a Democrat
 
2012-10-31 05:12:54 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


???? How would flooded out buses that needed tens of thousands of dollars to restore their engines to working condition, drain the water out of their gas tanks, and people to brave the flood water have helped?

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


*sigh*

...Buses are not among [FEMA's] pre-staged supplies [MREs, cots, etc.].
Within hours of Katrina hitting on Monday [Aug 29], FEMA promised to deliver buses, according to Blanco.
On Tuesday [Aug 30], Blanco aide Leonard Kleinpeter recalled, the governor asked him to start trying to arrange for use of school buses.
FEMA relies on the U.S. Department of Transportation, which has a contract with a provider to locate for-hire buses and other types of transportation and get them to staging areas.
Federal transportation records show FEMA gave the agency the go-ahead at 12:45 a.m. Wednesday, Aug. 31. Five hours later, buses were being dispatched from points around the country to LaPlace, 25 miles west of New Orleans, and by midnight some 200 buses had arrived.
By the end of Thursday, there were 657 buses on hand. By Friday there were 935 buses and by Saturday 1,094 buses.
In congressional testimony earlier this month, U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta blamed FEMA for holding up his department's efforts to move people out of New Orleans. He said buses that arrived in the first wave Wednesday sat there because FEMA didn't give orders to move.
"What we heard from drivers who arrived at the rallying point in the first hours of the first day was that dispatch operations of the buses were being handled on a piecemeal basis," said DOT spokesman Brian Turmail.
Questions to FEMA in Washington, D.C., about the bus situation went unanswered...

FEMA's buses: subcontractor farmed it out; massive confusion; Landstar to blame?
Sat, 09/24/2005 - 14:42 - admin
Remember "Blanco: where were the 500 FEMA-promised buses?" Well, "Offer of buses fell between the cracks" has the shocking details.
A Florida trucking logistics company called Landstar Express America had a contract with FEMA that was worth up to $100 million per year to provide buses for evacuation purposes.
On Sunday, Aug. 28, Landstar apparently contacted a company called Carey Limousine asking them about the availability of buses.
Landstar found Carey by looking at their website.
Landstar inquired about availability again on Monday Aug 29, but they waited until "the early hours of Aug. 30, roughly 18 hours after the storm hit" to order buses from Carey, according to their spokeswoman Sally Snead:

She said Landstar turned to her company for buses Sunday after learning from Carey's Internet site that it had a meetings and events division that touted its ability to move large groups of people. "They really found us on the Web site," Snead said.
A Landstar spokeswoman declined comment on how the company responded to the hurricane.
Messages left for a FEMA spokeswoman were not returned.

In turn, Carey contracted with Transportation Management Services of Vienna, VA, which got 300 buses together.
Meanwhile, the heads of the United Motorcoach Association and of the American Bus Association - which apparently control over 20,000 buses - had each been contacting FEMA offering to help:

The day the hurricane made landfall, Victor Parra, president of the United Motorcoach Association, called FEMA's Washington office "to let them know our members could help out."
Parra said FEMA responded the next day, referring him to an agency Web page labeled "Doing Business with FEMA" but containing no information on the hurricane relief effort...
Unable to contact FEMA directly, Pantuso, through contacts on Capitol Hill, learned of Carey International's role and called Snead.
Pantuso said Snead told him she meant to call earlier but didn't have a phone number.
Finally, sometime after 5 p.m. on Wednesday, Pantuso and Parra had enough information to send an SOS to their members to help in the evacuation.
By the weekend, more than 1,000 buses were committed to ferrying stranded New Orleans residents to shelters in Houston and other cities...

But, wait, there's more of the same:

In a regulatory filing last week, Landstar Express said it has received government orders worth at least $125 million for Katrina-related work. It's not known how much of that total pertains to the bus evacuation.
Landstar Express is a subsidiary of Landstar System, a $2 billion company whose board chairman, Jeff Crowe, also was chairman of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, one of the nation's premier business lobbies, from June 2003 until May 2004.
[...Landstar and the others are now aware of each other and cooperating...]
Landstar's regulatory filing also said that because of Hurricane Katrina, the maximum annual value of its government contract for disaster relief services has been increased to $400 million...

Lie to us some more about buses, go ahead I dare you.
 
2012-10-31 05:14:09 PM

Citrate1007: Draq: So which side was responsible for this guy?
[i.imgur.com image 262x256]

All sides are plutocrats, that is part of the whole concept of deus ex machina.


I should note, I'm talking about the game....not the literary meaning of the phrase. Felt the wrath of an English major typing a long rebuttal.
 
2012-10-31 05:14:49 PM
FEMA works? Since when? This is Day 2. We call this day "Heckuva Job" day. On Day 4 when people are still dying we call it "one termer, you suck" day.
 
2012-10-31 05:14:54 PM

BronyMedic: It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x221]

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.


Having been down there I would say he's 50% responsible. The other half rests on Blanco's shoulders. She wouldn't let the feds in and then Bush got blasted because the feds weren't in Louisiana. I give the Republicans a pass on Katrina even though I'm pretty left. I was with the Lt. Gov (Mitch - now mayor of New Orleans) and I saw what was going on. The local national guard had good people but not nearly enough. They had no food other than what we drove in as relief because the Blanco wouldn't let the feds bring in food. It was just ridicules. About 6 days later she finally started to let Feds in.. 10 days after the flooding the USS Iwo Jima finally docked at the Riverwalk and they started relief efforts. Captain Callas of the Iwo (who gave me a really cool award BTW) told me they were sitting out there from the moment the weather was reasonably +7 days until Blanco let them dock.

Reality..
 
2012-10-31 05:15:20 PM
isn't it a little early to be crowing about how awesome a job fema is doing in regards to Sandy? Just asking
 
2012-10-31 05:15:31 PM

Solon Isonomia: This is what terrifies me. Godwin notwithstanding, one of the most destructive forces that ultimately undid the Weimar Republic was the election of parties who did not recognize the validity of the government and worked actively to destroy it while in office. This wasn't limited to the Nazis and the Communists - just about every party other than the Social Democrats ideologically wanted to remove the Weimar Republic and the two Prime Ministers prior to Hitler did everything in their power to turn the representative democracy into an autocratic dictatorship. This toxic political environment from 1929 to 1932 created systemic problems that the Nazis exploited following the 1932 and 1933 elections.

Yes, it could be seen as a Godwin and possible hyperbole, but I think it is reasonable to remember the last five years of the Weimar Republic when a very large portion of elected officials campaign against the legitimacy of the government and take steps to further reduce said legitimacy when in power. It's not about violations of human right or potential genocide, it's about people intentionally poisoning something they're elected to protect.


One has to wonder if they know they're doing it, or if they legitimately believe that tearing down the government will actually solve something.
 
2012-10-31 05:15:45 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: BronyMedic: It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x221]

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.

The Governor of Louisiana requested Federal aid on Saturday August 27, 2 days before landfall.


What a monster.
 
2012-10-31 05:18:27 PM

xynix: BronyMedic: It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x221]

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.

Having been down there I would say he's 50% responsible. The other half rests on Blanco's shoulders. She wouldn't let the feds in and then Bush got blasted because the feds weren't in Louisiana. I give the Republicans a pass on Katrina even though I'm pretty left. I was with the Lt. Gov (Mitch - now mayor of New Orleans) and I saw what was going on. The local national guard had good people but not nearly enough. They had no food other than what we drove in as relief because the Blanco wouldn't let the feds bring in food. It was just ridicules. About 6 days later she finally started to let Feds in.. 10 days after the flooding the USS Iwo Jima finally docked at the Riverwalk and they started relief efforts. Captain Callas of the Iwo (who gave me a really cool award BTW) told me they were sitting out there from the moment the weather was reasonably +7 days until Blanco let them dock.

Reality..


Bull farking shiat. Blanco asked for Federal assistance starting 2 days before landfall and continued to beg for assistance throughout.
 
2012-10-31 05:20:37 PM

ongbok: hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure

And Governor of the State was Republican. So what does that say?


Which state was that?
 
2012-10-31 05:21:31 PM

Peter von Nostrand: The mantra of the right is that government doesn't work and is the problem, so why would their ineptitude surprise anyone? It's been clear since Reagan that the idea on the right is to prove government can't work and then privatize functions (usually to companies that they have some vested interest or stake in)

/flame on


Reagan was only partly right. The correct assessment is, "...the GOP is the problem." It's been pretty clear for the past 40 years that the GOP has been nothing less than a clusterfark in anything they do, other than getting elected (and only because of various shenanigans).
 
2012-10-31 05:26:14 PM
+1 on the headline subby.

It's funny because it's true. Although it's not a truth to laugh at.
 
2012-10-31 05:28:08 PM

BMulligan: Philip Francis Queeg: BronyMedic: It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x221]

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.

The Governor of Louisiana requested Federal aid on Saturday August 27, 2 days before landfall.

What a monster snob.



FTFY
 
2012-10-31 05:32:07 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


Seeing as how FEMA had a nuclear response mandate up until about 1988, I think 1990 is a pretty reasonable measure.
 
2012-10-31 05:35:28 PM
Um... FEMA works fairly well either way, most of the staff are permanent and the guy at the top doesn't make much difference.

The response to Katrina specifically was cockblocked by the state officials, btw, not really any member of the federal government including Horsey McRacerson. Note that the FEMA response was quite rapid in Mississippi and everywhere else that wasn't Louisiana that was hit.
 
2012-10-31 05:35:28 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Solon Isonomia: This is what terrifies me. Godwin notwithstanding, one of the most destructive forces that ultimately undid the Weimar Republic was the election of parties who did not recognize the validity of the government and worked actively to destroy it while in office. This wasn't limited to the Nazis and the Communists - just about every party other than the Social Democrats ideologically wanted to remove the Weimar Republic and the two Prime Ministers prior to Hitler did everything in their power to turn the representative democracy into an autocratic dictatorship. This toxic political environment from 1929 to 1932 created systemic problems that the Nazis exploited following the 1932 and 1933 elections.

Yes, it could be seen as a Godwin and possible hyperbole, but I think it is reasonable to remember the last five years of the Weimar Republic when a very large portion of elected officials campaign against the legitimacy of the government and take steps to further reduce said legitimacy when in power. It's not about violations of human right or potential genocide, it's about people intentionally poisoning something they're elected to protect.

One has to wonder if they know they're doing it, or if they legitimately believe that tearing down the government will actually solve something.


I believe a good portion of the party (leadership, rank-and-file, and base) want to reduce the federal government into something that handles only national defense, most foreign relations, and only the most obvious regulations (IE - no toys that ignite into flames upon contacting air). Considering events in the last ~100 years in all three branches of government, this would require a massive overhaul that would be a defacto destruction of the federal government. Arguably, they want to return to the federal government of 1900-1930. The complication here is the portion of the party in question has forgotten (or is outright ignoring) the fact that the state governments of that time had significant power and did many of the things the federal government does now. IIRC, Calvin Coolidge presided and supported a large and powerful Massachusetts state government before becoming President, a President that championed a very limited federal government.

Sadly, I cannot fit this discussion on a bumper sticker, hence it will never enter contemporary politics.
 
2012-10-31 05:36:40 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Bull farking shiat. Blanco asked for Federal assistance starting 2 days before landfall and continued to beg for assistance throughout.


She actually declared a state of emergency three days beforehand. Bush made the federal declaration the next day.

Lots of interesting points on TPM's timeline of events. Really lays out the fark ups on the administration's part.
 
2012-10-31 05:39:34 PM

Jim_Callahan: Um... FEMA works fairly well either way, most of the staff are permanent and the guy at the top doesn't make much difference.

The response to Katrina specifically was cockblocked by the state officials, btw, not really any member of the federal government including Horsey McRacerson. Note that the FEMA response was quite rapid in Mississippi and everywhere else that wasn't Louisiana that was hit.


Holy shiat, will that complete farking lie not die? Farking shameless.
 
2012-10-31 05:48:14 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:

[wizbangblog.com image 375x232]

That would have been a means of escape for many of those stuck in New Orleans during Katrina, btw.

Would it also be fair to say that only Republicans should run major cities?

/analysis based upon all the Presidents since 1990 is pretty weak sauce by any measure


Have you ever been right about anything?

I mean can you point me in the direction of a thread where you said something and everyone didn't reply "shut up you're wrong" because I see it happening to you ALL the time.
 
2012-10-31 05:53:06 PM

BronyMedic: It also helps to know that FEMA doesn't exactly work like everyone assumes it does, and you have state and local politicians willing to put their goddamn egos and moments of fame aside and ask for federal help.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x221]

That man is personally responsible for every death in New Orleans caused by a delay in request for federal mutual aid support.


When Katrina became an "incident of national significance," which had already been acknowledged, according to the FEMA charter, they became the lead responder to the emergency, paperwork be damned.
 
2012-10-31 05:56:05 PM

hdhale: Since the mayor of New Orleans, a Democrat, was responsible for this:


This somehow makes Brown competent.
 
2012-10-31 06:02:48 PM

Dahnkster: [teezerscostumes.com image 800x1133]
Great Job Brownie.


Am I a pedophile now?

Oh look, a chair over there
 
2012-10-31 06:08:08 PM
THAT TEARS IT! I'm not voting for Bush, Nagin, nor Blanco!
 
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