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(Slate)   MoveOn attempting to blackmail liberal voters into going to the polls   (slate.com) divider line 247
    More: Asinine, MoveOn, online advertising, report cards, email clients, peer pressures, James Hohmann, battleground state  
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2012-10-31 01:33:13 PM  
You could always unregister to vote. That'll show 'em!
 
2012-10-31 01:43:58 PM  
I'm okay with the report card if it does not reveal party affiliation.
 
2012-10-31 01:57:23 PM  
Blackmail? No. Shaming? Yes.

Good. People should feel pressure to vote. It's a farking obligation of western civilization that far too few take seriously.
 
2012-10-31 02:00:05 PM  

unyon: Blackmail? No. Shaming? Yes.

Good. People should feel pressure to vote. It's a farking obligation of western civilization that far too few take seriously.


Should we really be encouraging more stupid, uninformed people to vote?
 
2012-10-31 02:02:35 PM  
Won't work. Voted Green today, though Democrats across the state.
 
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2012-10-31 02:06:09 PM  
Subby probably thinks blackmail is a racial slur.
 
2012-10-31 02:07:08 PM  
I don't think you know what blackmail is.
 
2012-10-31 02:08:31 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Should we really be encouraging more stupid, uninformed people to vote?


We should encourage every eligible citizen to vote.
 
2012-10-31 02:08:45 PM  
Let's dissect submitter's title:
MoveOn Yes, you got that part correct.

attempting to blackmail Which would be defined as "a crime involving unjustified threats to make a gain or cause loss to another unless a demand is met" There's no threat or demand made.

liberal voters The person in the article was "undeclared". So you're assuming it's a liberal voter target.

into going to the polls And that part correct.

2/4, which is worse than your neighbors.
 
2012-10-31 02:14:47 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: unyon: Blackmail? No. Shaming? Yes.

Good. People should feel pressure to vote. It's a farking obligation of western civilization that far too few take seriously.

Should we really be encouraging more stupid, uninformed people to vote?


It's the perennial debate. On one hand, the point of our democracy is that everyone gets a vote and a say. Given that historically this has been rare, and even today people in many countries don't have that opportunity, it's easily argued that one shouldn't waste it when given it.

On the other hand, what Churchill said about arguments against Democracy.
 
2012-10-31 02:15:57 PM  
Yeah, an admin should blackmail submitter, using fear of being outed for writing such a shiate headline.

/hey subby -- note the correct use of "blackmail".
 
2012-10-31 02:17:10 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: unyon: Blackmail? No. Shaming? Yes.

Good. People should feel pressure to vote. It's a farking obligation of western civilization that far too few take seriously.

Should we really be encouraging more stupid, uninformed people to vote?


Stupid, uninformed people are already voting. There isn't a filter for that. But when people vote, they generally feel some obligation to make sure that it is informed in some way (even if that's just asking a family member who to vote for).

It's a first and important step in civic engagement. Like you have ownership and a vested interest in the government you get. I can't see how civic engagement is ever a bad thing.
 
2012-10-31 02:23:02 PM  
When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.
 
2012-10-31 02:34:41 PM  

what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.


Let me guess...voting for a non-Democrat would be a fine, right?
 
2012-10-31 02:50:13 PM  
The question arises of whether or not enough information should be public to allow this kind of mailing to go out in the first place. Should voting records be public information? Should anybody be able to know who did and did not vote? That seems like a privacy problem.
 
2012-10-31 02:54:35 PM  
NPR was talking about this last week
 
2012-10-31 03:00:13 PM  
My vote is private. Why shouldn't my voting record?

Tacky, and I would think would piss alot of people off.

I'll be interested to see if I get one (FL swinger....er...swing stater).
 
2012-10-31 03:11:07 PM  

what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.


Calling yourself Queen of Everything and then demanding a fair/accountable democracy is a bit contradictory, isn't it?
 
2012-10-31 03:21:44 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: We should encourage every eligible citizen to vote.


Really?

These people who can't even tell you who the VP is? You really want them making decisions for you?
 
2012-10-31 03:28:27 PM  

cman: what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.

Let me guess...voting for a non-Democrat would be a fine, right?


In my world, the democrats are right wing.
 
2012-10-31 03:30:19 PM  
 
2012-10-31 03:33:45 PM  

GAT_00: Won't work. Voted Green today, though Democrats across the state.


OMG! FARK INDEPENDENT!!!!
 
2012-10-31 03:34:36 PM  

Nabb1: GAT_00: Won't work. Voted Green today, though Democrats across the state.

OMG! FARK INDEPENDENT!!!!


Just messing with ya, man. Good for you for voting third party no matter who it is.

Unless it's like the Nazis or something.
 
2012-10-31 03:36:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really? These people who can't even tell you who the VP is? You really want them making decisions for you?


You are making blanket statements about a lot of people so you can freely suggest that it is unimportant, or detrimental, if the majority of citizens in this country vote. No sale, fascist.
 
2012-10-31 03:40:25 PM  
I got one from some tax cut PAC that listed myself and several of my neighbors and if we voted in 2004 or 2008. It was a little unsettling.
 
2012-10-31 03:40:38 PM  

cretinbob: Meanwhile, Rmoney has gone full retard on committing voter fraud


Nice. So if they think someone's voting for Obama, they can claim suspicious ballot as a "concerned citizen."

Concern troll is more like it.
 
2012-10-31 03:41:11 PM  

vartian: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really? These people who can't even tell you who the VP is? You really want them making decisions for you?

You are making blanket statements about a lot of people so you can freely suggest that it is unimportant, or detrimental, if the majority of citizens in this country vote. No sale, fascist.


um, the guy he was replying to explicitly said "every eligible citizen". "every" and "the majority of" are not the same thing.

Personally I don't think we should go around encouraging anybody over the age of 18 to vote. When you're a kid, it's well and good for schools to indoctrinate you on why voting is important, but once you're actually able to do so, testing whether you're actually smart enough to go and do it is a great quality control.

/ But I voted for Gary Johnson, so pretty much the equivalent of not voting.
// Then again, my state is one of those "we're going Romney one way or another" states...
 
2012-10-31 03:41:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really?

These people who can't even tell you who the VP is? You really want them making decisions for you?


They're not making decisions for me, they're choosing who they want to represent them.

The solution to uninformed voters is educating them, not denying them the right to vote. That doesn't solve the underlying problem, it only creates more.
 
2012-10-31 03:42:36 PM  
Yeah I got one of those. It just says "woohoo, you voted more than your neighbors."

And I was all like: "Well, duh." And I recycled it. Don't see the big deal.
 
2012-10-31 03:43:17 PM  

unyon: Shaming? Yes.


How does it shame anyone?
 
2012-10-31 03:44:13 PM  

Nabb1: GAT_00: Won't work. Voted Green today, though Democrats across the state.

OMG! FARK INDEPENDENT!!!!


Nabb1: Nabb1: GAT_00: Won't work. Voted Green today, though Democrats across the state.

OMG! FARK INDEPENDENT!!!!

Just messing with ya, man. Good for you for voting third party no matter who it is.

Unless it's like the Nazis or something.

 
2012-10-31 03:44:18 PM  

what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.


Do we get to dye our finger's purple too? If so, I'm in.
 
2012-10-31 03:45:19 PM  

Ed Finnerty: what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.

Do we get to dye our finger's purple too? If so, I'm in.


www.angryflower.com

/Don't worry. I'm on it.
 
2012-10-31 03:53:41 PM  
Silly? Yes.

Blackmail? No.
 
2012-10-31 04:10:16 PM  

Diogenes: cretinbob: Meanwhile, Rmoney has gone full retard on committing voter fraud

Nice. So if they think someone's voting for Obama, they can claim suspicious ballot as a "concerned citizen."

Concern troll is more like it.


If you look at recall elections recently, the Republicans have been doing that a lot. Basically, unless the paper ballot is pristine they challenge it.
 
2012-10-31 04:13:37 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: They're not making decisions for me, they're choosing who they want to represent them.

The solution to uninformed voters is educating them, not denying them the right to vote. That doesn't solve the underlying problem, it only creates more.




Tell people that the most important thing they can do is vote is the problem. That's what you hear all day long vote vote vote vote vote! Well voting in not the only important thing. You have to know what the fark you are talking about.


If you have the mind set that "I did my job I voted" we are going to end up with this:
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I'd rather be ruled by 10 smart people than 100 idiots.
 
2012-10-31 04:22:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Tell people that the most important thing they can do is vote is the problem. That's what you hear all day long vote vote vote vote vote!


It is important. Most important? That's a matter of opinion. Encouraging people to vote is a good thing, regardless of their level of intelligence or social standing.
 
2012-10-31 04:25:18 PM  

Rincewind53: I don't think you know what blackmail is.


Obama is.

...

What?
 
2012-10-31 04:32:13 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Tell people that the most important thing they can do is vote is the problem. That's what you hear all day long vote vote vote vote vote!

It is important. Most important? That's a matter of opinion. Encouraging people to vote is a good thing, regardless of their level of intelligence or social standing.


I disagree. Some people should not vote. It's not youth soccer where the most important thing is recognizing participation. Results matter in elections. People who don't really pay attention should stay home.
 
2012-10-31 04:43:35 PM  

stpauler: Let's dissect submitter's title:
MoveOn Yes, you got that part correct.

attempting to blackmail Which would be defined as "a crime involving unjustified threats to make a gain or cause loss to another unless a demand is met" There's no threat or demand made.

liberal voters The person in the article was "undeclared". So you're assuming it's a liberal voter target.

into going to the polls And that part correct.

2/4, which is worse than your neighbors.


But better than most submissions.
 
2012-10-31 04:47:08 PM  

serial_crusher: what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory. You will be fined a small amount- $10 or $15- if you do not vote.

Of course, the elections will be 6 weeks long and completely publicly funded, and the debates will have real time fact checking and I will eliminate the electoral college, so perhaps people will be more interested in voting.

Calling yourself Queen of Everything and then demanding a fair/accountable democracy is a bit contradictory, isn't it?


Off with this head!
 
2012-10-31 04:47:44 PM  

what_now: When I'm made Queen of Everything, voting will be mandatory.


I love the dichotomy in this statement.
 
2012-10-31 04:52:08 PM  

Nabb1: I disagree. Some people should not vote. It's not youth soccer where the most important thing is recognizing participation.


Who gets recognized for voting, outside of that little sticker you get? Voting is its own reward, and many Americans recognize that and take it seriously.

Nabb1: People who don't really pay attention should stay home.


I think a lot of people who don't really pay attention already do stay home, but I don't have any numbers to support that. How about people who do pay attention but pay attention to consistently biased and misleading news sources? Should they stay home? Who decides? Should we have some sort of test?
 
2012-10-31 04:59:21 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: It is important. Most important? That's a matter of opinion. Encouraging people to vote is a good thing, regardless of their level of intelligence or social standing


I can fully agree with this statement.
 
2012-10-31 05:31:06 PM  
Much of the focus in the GOTV research world in the last several years has focussed on how to channel the psychological power of that threat into something more positive, while still letting non-voters know they're being watched.

which apparently is only sinister when Democrats use it to motivate their base, yet is completely harmless and totally innocent when the GOP does the exact same thing to get their people out to vote on election day.

but hey, at least the Democrats aren't threatening voters with eternal damnation if they vote the wrong way, right guys?
 
2012-10-31 05:46:58 PM  
03.images.fireden.net

/you guys are slipping
 
2012-10-31 05:49:01 PM  
Is "blackmail" the new "cognitive dissonance"?
 
2012-10-31 05:49:29 PM  
The mailer's design marks the latest twist on the political world's adoption of what behavioral psychologists call "social pressure."

Latest twist? Obviously behavioural psychologists have not been paying attention to religious leaders the past 50 years or so.

Has anyone posted the link to the "vote republican or you're going to hell" thread yet?

/DNRTFT
 
2012-10-31 05:50:18 PM  
I voted already. Election's over. Pool's closed. YAY ABSENTEE BALLOTS!
 
2012-10-31 05:50:31 PM  
Gotta treat 'em like little kids who desperately need validation.
 
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