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2012-10-31 01:30:22 PM  
Once.
 
2012-10-31 01:32:45 PM  
Who cares where someone builds their house at? If they (along with their insurance co.) want to accept the risk, I say let them. But don't expect any help from the government.
 
2012-10-31 01:35:58 PM  
How many times do homeless people need to be washed away before we say we shouldn't be building showers here any more?
 
2012-10-31 01:40:44 PM  
Now - say the same about all homes in Tornado Valley, near a fault line, near a fracking site, or near an area vulnerable for forest fires.

Also - many of these homes vulnerable to natural disaster weren't in an area considered to be disaster prone a few decades ago. Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice.
 
2012-10-31 01:41:02 PM  
As resident of Iowa during the 2001 floods, I will ask: Why don't NY/NJ build a 30' floodwall?
 
2012-10-31 01:41:38 PM  

Bladel: As resident of Iowa during the 2001 floods, I will ask: Why don't NY/NJ build a 30' floodwall?


(my point: It was a stupid question then, and it's a stupid question now.)
 
2012-10-31 01:42:17 PM  
Why can't we just move New York, Boston, New Orleans, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Miami, San Diego, Charleston, Houston and Tampa 10 miles further inland? There can't be more than 50 million people living near the coast.
 
2012-10-31 01:48:22 PM  

Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice


This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories
 
2012-10-31 02:00:50 PM  

knbber2: Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice

This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories


If you want to be ignorant, do so quietly in the corner.
 
2012-10-31 02:11:28 PM  

Bontesla: knbber2: Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice

This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories

If you want to be ignorant, do so quietly in the corner.


Nope, if you want to spout your opinions (and that is what those are, they are far from proven facts), expect to have others comment. And thanks for the "ignorant" comment, it makes me feel better when people go to the insult right off the bat.
 
2012-10-31 02:15:26 PM  
Someone who can afford a beach house can afford another beach house.
 
2012-10-31 02:24:12 PM  

knbber2: Bontesla: knbber2: Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice

This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories

If you want to be ignorant, do so quietly in the corner.

Nope, if you want to spout your opinions (and that is what those are, they are far from proven facts), expect to have others comment. And thanks for the "ignorant" comment, it makes me feel better when people go to the insult right off the bat.


Your standard of belief for all things are "scientific facts"? Then you must be Chicken Little.

You obviously don't understand what determines something to be considered as a "scientific fact" within the scientific community. Said in another way: those words don't mean what you think they mean.

I don't insult everyone immediately. Only those willfully ignorant at the expense of others. This is what you are. This isn't a genetic condition. This is an adopted position. You have decided to disagree with such a large, dominant collection of scientists (virtally a statistical 100% of them). In doing so - you're favoring ignorance. Collectively, ignorance stalls progress toward solutions.
 
2012-10-31 02:26:56 PM  
I dont know, subby, but I think its stupid for anyone to live less than 30 feet above sea level. Much less have a densly populated island/area filled with millions.
 
2012-10-31 02:28:12 PM  
I forget who said it, but "we do science because we just dont know, not because we know". If we knew, there would be no point.
 
2012-10-31 02:33:24 PM  

Bontesla: I don't insult everyone immediately. Only those willfully ignorant at the expense of others. This is what you are.


Once again, immediately to the insult to try to demean me. There is a significant portion of the scientific community that disagrees with the causes of global warming. As far as fracking goes, the percentage is higher. And no, I am not going to search around for the numbers, as you did not either, that is not my point. You have your opinions, which is your right, I have mine. Fark is a place to express those opinions. If you need to tell someone who disagrees with your opinions to be ignorant in the corner, you need to get a thicker skin. Have a nice day, no hard feelings from this side.
 
2012-10-31 02:36:42 PM  

knbber2: There is a significant portion of the scientific community that disagrees with the causes of global warming


Who gives a damn ? Weather is getting stranger and stranger. I find it odd that areas with high fracking are suddenly quaking ....
 
2012-10-31 02:38:42 PM  

knbber2: Bontesla: knbber2: Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice

This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories

If you want to be ignorant, do so quietly in the corner.

Nope, if you want to spout your opinions (and that is what those are, they are far from proven facts), expect to have others comment. And thanks for the "ignorant" comment, it makes me feel better when people go to the insult right off the bat.


And - FYI - global warming is an established phenomenon. Just as global cooling is. These are not partisan beliefs. These are established trends. The question you're trying to get at is: are we currently trending toward warming? If so - are humans catalysts? If humans are acting as a catalyst then to what degree are the changes reversible?
 
2012-10-31 02:40:03 PM  
I hope this thread gets washed out to sea and isn't rebuilt.
 
2012-10-31 02:49:21 PM  

knbber2: Bontesla: I don't insult everyone immediately. Only those willfully ignorant at the expense of others. This is what you are.

Once again, immediately to the insult to try to demean me. There is a significant portion of the scientific community that disagrees with the causes of global warming. As far as fracking goes, the percentage is higher. And no, I am not going to search around for the numbers, as you did not either, that is not my point. You have your opinions, which is your right, I have mine. Fark is a place to express those opinions. If you need to tell someone who disagrees with your opinions to be ignorant in the corner, you need to get a thicker skin. Have a nice day, no hard feelings from this side.


I respectfully disagree with many.

I'm simply being honest. Yes - calling you ignorant is insulting. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong. I can offend a thief by calling them a thief - but does that make me wrong? No. Could I find a more polite way to call you ignorant? Probably.

But what incentive do I have to politely search for a word to call you ignorant when your ignorance attributes to a dangerous situation?

Finally, if you have all of this evidence to support your argument then you should provide it.
 
2012-10-31 03:15:26 PM  

Bontesla: But what incentive do I have to politely search for a word to call you ignorant when your ignorance attributes to a dangerous situation?


Ok, one last time; just because I disagree with you does not mean I am ignorant. The CAUSES of global warming (as I said in my last post) are in dispute, as is whether it is still occurring. I'm sure you can provide a direct link between human contribution and the latest hurricane, as you indicated in your initial post. That is your OPINION, and because I disagree, you call me ignorant? I'm saying it is beneath you to take the low road with insults, especially right at the start. If you want to compare education levels, expertise...etc. and then you determine I am ignorant, then that may be an educated OPINION, but do some research first. Once again, have a good day.
 
2012-10-31 03:15:47 PM  
Related

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020478930457808915324521 2 398.html


"Sandy is expected to become one of the costliest storms ever. But a substantial share of the tab won't be picked up by insurers, because standard homeowners' policies don't cover flood damage.

Instead, an indebted federal flood-insurance program is expected to pay for billions in property damage...

The U.S. government has provided flood coverage since the late 1960s, filling a void left by a private-sector insurance industry that generally views floods as too unpredictable-and too expensive-to cover. But the program has been in financial trouble, having borrowed nearly $18 billion from the Treasury Department to pay for claims in recent years. The largest hit came from Hurricane Katrina in 2005, which resulted in about $16 billion in claims. Irene prompted $1.3 billion in claims...

Federal law requires people who buy houses in designated flood-hazard areas with federally backed mortgages to purchase policies from the National Flood Insurance Program, though not all maintain coverage for the life of the loan."
 
2012-10-31 03:51:20 PM  

knbber2: Bontesla: But what incentive do I have to politely search for a word to call you ignorant when your ignorance attributes to a dangerous situation?

Ok, one last time; just because I disagree with you does not mean I am ignorant. The CAUSES of global warming (as I said in my last post) are in dispute, as is whether it is still occurring. I'm sure you can provide a direct link between human contribution and the latest hurricane, as you indicated in your initial post. That is your OPINION, and because I disagree, you call me ignorant? I'm saying it is beneath you to take the low road with insults, especially right at the start. If you want to compare education levels, expertise...etc. and then you determine I am ignorant, then that may be an educated OPINION, but do some research first. Once again, have a good day.


Opinion... that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Also - I noticed a lack of evidence in your response.
 
2012-10-31 03:51:41 PM  
The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind
 
2012-10-31 03:57:01 PM  
Since Sandy changed the shape of the sandbars, how do you collect from insurers when both your house and your land are gone?
 
2012-10-31 04:31:53 PM  
In other news, Topeka, KS has been renamed New New York to accommodate all the people who aren't allowed to live near the water anymore
 
2012-10-31 04:32:23 PM  
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
 
2012-10-31 04:33:21 PM  
I've got no problems with people building wherever they want, floodplain, edge of a volcano, R'lyeh. I just don't want the taxpayers to pay for it when it's damaged or destroyed.
 
2012-10-31 04:33:30 PM  
37,841
 
2012-10-31 04:34:22 PM  
people moving inland is idiotic but I do question why we build basically the same kinda housing no matter where it is located.
 
2012-10-31 04:34:30 PM  
I say let them die! Too Soon?
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Seriously though, I say if you live in a place known to have storms then you should have to have insurance to cover it and stop giving them federal funds. Why should my tax money go to someone who owns 3 hundred thousand dollar home on a beach that is known to have hurricanes.

I live on the west coast and I have earthquake, fire, and flood insurance.
 
2012-10-31 04:34:32 PM  

revrendjim: Someone who can afford a beach house can afford another beach house.


They can also afford a city council member or two to ensure their zoning doesn't change. They can also afford a congressman or three to ensure that federal aid is there when they want to bootstrap up another house built on a sand bar in a hurricane zone.

This isn't going to change because it directly effects the people in control of the system.
 
2012-10-31 04:34:43 PM  
Stupidity: "It's got great ocean views"

Logic: "You are close enough to water that covers 2/3rds of the entire planet, moves at will, is measured by tonnage, and is totally unpredictable. You are sitting on sand, which is the dust under the atmosphere of dihydogenmonoxide and blows at its will. You may enjoy the view this fine day, but eventually, and more sooner than later, this will not be a safe place to be. You need to rent, for a while, but do not buy here. "

Assholiness: " Insure my house with great ocean views"
 
2012-10-31 04:34:44 PM  
images.mentalfloss.com
the ants are my friends, and they're blowin in the wind....
 
2012-10-31 04:35:44 PM  
MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS


/OH! OHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-10-31 04:35:47 PM  

HailRobonia: When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.


The problem is that hurricanes like Sandy can cause flooding over huge tracts of land.
 
2012-10-31 04:36:06 PM  

knbber2: Bontesla: knbber2: Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice

This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories

If you want to be ignorant, do so quietly in the corner.

Nope, if you want to spout your opinions (and that is what those are, they are far from proven facts), expect to have others comment. And thanks for the "ignorant" comment, it makes me feel better when people go to the insult right off the bat.


Well, I see I have a new addition to the Global Climate Change denialists on FARK.
 
2012-10-31 04:37:47 PM  

vernonFL: The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind


Came here for this.

Man, I'm old....
 
2012-10-31 04:38:08 PM  
As long as the insurance company keeps paying out.
 
2012-10-31 04:38:19 PM  
dj_bigbird: Who cares where someone builds their house at? If they (along with their insurance co.) want to accept the risk, I say let them. But don't expect any help from the government.

There are areas here where there are cliffside homes that are not insured (insurance companies won't take the risk because it's not a question of if the cliff will erode, but when).

BUUUUUUT

Nobody cares because only rich bastards can afford those houses anyway and they can just move to one of their other homes.

// On more than one occasion, someone has purchasedfour adjacent houses (at over $1 million each), so that they could bulldoze them and build one huge house on the four plots.
 
2012-10-31 04:38:53 PM  

dj_bigbird: Who cares where someone builds their house at? If they (along with their insurance co.) want to accept the risk, I say let them. But don't expect any help from the government.


You do realize how insurance works right?

premiums : taxes :: Insurance : government.
 
2012-10-31 04:39:07 PM  
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2012-10-31 01:32:45 PM

Who cares where someone builds their house at? If they (along with their insurance co.) want to accept the risk, I say let them. But don't expect any help from the government.


because they offset the risk by raising premiums on homes in safer locations. Also I'm getting sick of building materials jumping in price every. farking. time. we need to rebuild 1500 miles of coastal homes.
 
2012-10-31 04:39:21 PM  

Drexl's Eye: HailRobonia: When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.

The problem is that hurricanes like Sandy can cause flooding over huge tracts of land.


What flooding over huge tracts of land might look like:

thebournevillechronicles.com
 
2012-10-31 04:39:26 PM  
Never.

That would mean relocating people, some of which could be poor.

And if you want to do things to the poor, you are a GOP voting fascist.
 
2012-10-31 04:39:42 PM  
We need to be near water to survive. Drinking, raising crops, sanitation, and commerce all rely on access to water. Sorry, but we're not going anywhere.
 
2012-10-31 04:40:01 PM  
Free country, right?
Folks have the freedom to be stupid and throw away their money if they want to.
But they shouldn't be subsidized by taxpayer money.
If you're rich, spend big; if you're petite bourgeois, suck it up with the rest of us serfs.
 
2012-10-31 04:40:12 PM  

Bontesla:
Finally, if you have all of this evidence to support your argument then you should provide it.


Says the guy who cites no evidence, and uses insults to further his arguments.
 
2012-10-31 04:40:37 PM  

Bontesla: knbber2: Bontesla: Global warming will continue to rezone areas and create new water front property. Fracking will create new homes vulnerable to disasters as we expand that practice

This political announcement paid for by The Algore Center for Profit from Non-proven Theories

If you want to be ignorant, do so quietly in the corner.


As they say, "best to be considered a fool by most than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
 
2012-10-31 04:41:00 PM  
First they cam for those who lived near the coast, and I said nothing. Then they came for those who lived near rivers and lakes, and I said nothing. Then they came for those who lived in tornado alley, and I said nothing. Then they came for those who lived near forests where fires occur, and I said nothing. Then they came for those who lived near fault lines, and I said nothing.Then they came for those who lived near...

/amidoingitright
//you can't run from disaster, subby, its everywhere.
 
2012-10-31 04:41:23 PM  

Drexl's Eye: The problem is that hurricanes like Sandy can cause flooding over huge tracts of land.


Mostly and most often land near the ocean.
 
2012-10-31 04:41:33 PM  
So is the Party of Personal Responsibility suggesting the State decree where and where not private citizens may build homes?
 
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