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2012-10-31 05:22:20 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Legal copy and it's faster than Windows 7
 
2012-10-31 05:39:34 PM
under the hood windows 8 is nice..
Just the interface is a nightmare..
 
2012-10-31 05:45:59 PM

Mcavity: under the hood windows 8 is nice..
Just the interface is a nightmare..


So its the butherface of operating systems?
 
2012-10-31 05:53:47 PM
Complainers when Vista came out: "Ugh, it makes my computer slower. It's totally not worth it for old hardware."

Complainers as Win 8 comes out: "Ugh, it only makes my computer faster and more secure. Plus there's no start button? OMG!?!?"


/release version of Vista did suck, with widespread driver problems. Win 8? Not at all
 
2012-10-31 05:58:53 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Ed Finnerty: BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.

You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.

Depends whose ass.


You're right. That's a very important detail.

Maybe it would depend on the size of one's screen. 17" = Mila Kunis, 27" = Rosanne
 
2012-10-31 05:58:53 PM

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


On launch day, there were some ~5,700 apps. The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .
 
2012-10-31 06:05:58 PM
Here is your FREE copy of Windows 8 for dummies Link
And there are 10,000 apps in the store as of two days ago Link
 
2012-10-31 06:13:52 PM

MrSteve007: The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .


Curiously, all 300 apps have nested tabs, calendar buttons everywhere, and dropdowns with only one choice.
 
2012-10-31 06:24:29 PM

RandomAxe: It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.


XP is not faster for anything. Most people don't even use the 64 bit version, drastically limiting the RAM they can use.
 
2012-10-31 06:36:20 PM

killro: Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?


Yes, I'd like to know this and how Punkbuster is.
 
2012-10-31 06:54:30 PM

Mcavity: under the hood windows 8 is nice..
Just the interface is a nightmare..


There used to be lots of alternative shells for Windows like Litestep. Maybe those will make a comeback now. I would love to have a Windows 2000 style shell in fact, maybe someone can port the ReactOS shell to work on it. Unless Microsoft has stripped away the ability to even run another shell which would not surprise seeing how hard they worked to strip out the Start menu code or the hacks letting you bypass Metro. It's like they're saying "You'll run it our way and you'll like it". I was hoping Windows 8 would fail miserably, the arrogant twats need to be knocked down a few notches.
 
2012-10-31 06:58:13 PM
I just started using WIndows 8 on Saturday.

It's a little weird on a dual monitor machine, and so far, the only performance issue is when trying to play a game on one screen and watching a video on another (the video stutters). This worked fine for me in the past on the same hardware with windows 7, so I expect it will be fixed at some point.

I also installed it on my living room PC (which is hooked to my 46" tv) and the Windows 8 UI is actually quite nice in that use case. I use it with a Logitech k400 wireless keyboard with a track pad built in, which gets it closer to a touch device than using a mouse. I'm surprised at how much I enjoy using the new interface.

Just yesterday, I went to best buy to look at the Lenovo Ideapad Yoga 13, which is a Windows 8 convertible that is like a hybrid between an Ultrabook and a tablet. I'm not sure if I'll buy one, but it seems like it would be cool to have a 13" tablet that can run full windows programs as well as 'apps' from the windows app store...and then convert to a regular laptop for more serious usage.

/just to show that I'm not a M$ fanboi, this is coming from someone that has owned an iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s, an iPad, an iPad3, a 2010 Macbook Pro, a 2011 Mac Mini, an AppleTV2, and an Apple TV3. I really didn't like Vista when it came out either, and when it did, I switched to Ubuntu until that got old for me...which happened to be about halfway through the Windows 7 beta release.

//it doesn't cost $70 to upgrade to Windows 8. You can 'upgrade' for $40. I've also heard that if you claim you bought a windows 7 computer in the last 3 months, you can get it for $15, and they don't seem to check to see if you actaully did just buy a new windows 7 machine.

///If you're into windows media center, it's no longer included. But if you'd like it for free (instead of paying $9.99 to activate it) you can get it here: Link
 
2012-10-31 07:00:38 PM

Slampig: I've also heard that if you claim you bought a windows 7 computer in the last 3 months, you can get it for $15, and they don't seem to check to see if you actaully did just buy a new windows 7 machine.


That was true over the weekend, however word got out and Microsoft fixed that loophole. You can still get it for $15 but you must now provide a valid Windows 7 product key. I think you can still make up any date you want for when you bought your computer, there's really no way they can check that.
 
2012-10-31 07:01:33 PM
Perfect example of how a book really is judged by it's cover....
 
2012-10-31 07:01:36 PM

RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.


Here's a few things that will be way faster in 8 compared to XP, just off the top if my head:

Arranging a web browser window and a Word document window side by side so you can refer to the web page when editing your document, thanks to the while Aero Snap feature added in Win 7.

Assuming that the machine being used has a reasonable amount of RAM like 8 or 16 GB, the Win 8 us going to run rings around the XP box when doing content creation because of the RAM limitations in normal XP (yes, there was an x64 version, but the less said about that the better).

Simple tasks like moving video playback windows around the screen are much less processor intensive in 7 and 8, because the work of drawing the pixels in screen is handed off to the GPU in the Windows Presentation Foundation, so despite all the eye candy in 7 with Aero, your CPU is actually doing LESS work compared to XP, especially with a higher resolution screen.

Resuming from Hibernate. If it actually works in XP, which was always iffy, it took almost as long to resume as a cold boot, and there was always some driver that was glitchy. With Win 8, you open the lid on your laptop and you are back to work in a matter of seconds.

Any app that is multithreaded is going to get a performance boost in 8 thanks to the updated task scheduler, and even basic multitasking is going to be a little faster thanks to the tweaks under the hood.

XP was a good OS for last decade, but there is only so much you can patch it. I don't agree with all of the UI changes in 8 (I really think there should have been Win 8 for tablets and a non-Metro Win 8 for laptops and desktops), but the changes in hardware between 2001 and now have rendered XP painfully obsolete. Even a budget build is going to suffer because XP is not well optimized for massively multithreaded processors like the 12 thread i7s, large amounts of RAM, and SSD drives. It's had its day, and anyone using even relatively up to date hardware is doing themselves a disservice if they aren't at least using 7.
 
2012-10-31 07:02:29 PM

italie: Perfect example of how a book really is judged by it's cover....


The UI of an operating system is a bit more important than a book cover. It's what you are going to be interacting with every day. It's probably the most important part of an OS there is to the end user.
 
2012-10-31 07:21:39 PM

Hand Banana: italie: Perfect example of how a book really is judged by it's cover....

The UI of an operating system is a bit more important than a book cover. It's what you are going to be interacting with every day. It's probably the most important part of an OS there is to the end user.


I was more referring to people commenting on the performance, and being "way worse" than Windows 7. It's practically the same core.
 
2012-10-31 07:25:59 PM

MrSteve007:

On launch day, there were some ~5,700 apps. The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .


300 apps developed in India in a single day. These are going to be of the highest quality imaginable.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-10-31 07:27:58 PM

Gotfire: MrSteve007:

On launch day, there were some ~5,700 apps. The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .

300 apps developed in India in a single day. These are going to be of the highest quality imaginable.

What could possibly go wrong?


They will truly do the needful.
 
2012-10-31 07:31:29 PM
When I first saw Windows 8 my first thought was why doesn't Microsoft give the option of just running a classic desktop? Yes there are hacks or apps that will do this, but why not a system option? The answer is simple. It makes you use it. Most (not all) people that I know that has used it for more than a day or two actually say once they get used to it they like it and don't miss the standard desktop.

If the option to run the old way was there (easily) that would be how people use it.

//Most likely already has surpassed Mountain Lion in OS Market Share.
 
2012-10-31 07:34:27 PM

BumpInTheNight: Gotfire: MrSteve007:They will truly do the needful.


I thought our ccne we staff in Sri Lanka invented that phrase until you posted that. This makes me laugh now on several levels.
 
2012-10-31 07:41:38 PM
As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

4.bp.blogspot.com

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.
 
2012-10-31 08:01:13 PM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 08:06:26 PM

solokumba: As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x262]

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.


www.softpanorama.org

Here's yours. A lot like yours, just groomed and with a shiat ton more cash and success.
 
2012-10-31 08:06:59 PM

solokumba: As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x262]

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.


i.imgur.com
Pretty sure that guy is eating a Linux user brain
 
2012-10-31 08:07:59 PM
Article reads like something translated by Babelfish. Or maybe something written by Siri.
 
2012-10-31 08:20:34 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: gingerjet: It runs exactly the same as Windows 7. Its stable and fast. But Windows 8 adds pretty graphics that get in the way of actually doing work.

Yea, I don't really get why people say this every Windows release. I haven't had significant stability or performance issues since moving to XP. Yet, every release since, I'm assured by other people that this new one is so much more stable and quick than XP/Vista/7!

I don't know what these people do to their machines, but stability kinda stopped being a selling point for me after XP and just kind of became "expected".


I'm not a Windows fan boy; far from it. I grew up with a UNIX background and still love Linux. However, I will say that I've had virtually no stability issues with anything on Windows 7. To borrow a phrase from Apple fans, "It just works".

It has been better than XP ever was and while I have probably a 70 / 30 ratio of windows XP to windows 7 machines in the office, I spent far more time dealing with XP computers -- most likely because they're older but not significantly so.

At any rate, there's nothing about Windows 8 that makes me think it's something I need to consider for the office any time soon.
 
2012-10-31 08:22:51 PM
Y'all hating on the Windows 8 interface should realize that MS will probably use the same in Windows 9.
 
2012-10-31 08:26:11 PM
With 1.25 billion windows PCs and a very low upgrade cost there will be a signifcant number of users that upgrade but large companies will take their sweet time.

/will upgrade old laptop just to check it out
 
2012-10-31 08:32:57 PM

andyofne: It has been better than XP ever was and while I have probably a 70 / 30


I never really had stability issues with XP. Aside from failing hardware and malware, I've never really seen bluescreens on our XP machines at work. Compare this to my experience with 95, 98, 98SE and ME (yes, I had a copy of ME...) where looking at it funny cause the whole thing to go apeshiat.

drjekel_mrhyde: Legal copy and it's faster than Windows 7


In what way? I honestly can't think of anything that I would need to be "faster" in Windows 7. Just for shiats and giggles I just launched Diablo 3. It was up before 3 Mississippi. Oblivion was up before 2 Mississippi. Guild Wars 2 is up before 2 Mississippi. My slowest Steam Game was up before 5 Mississippi. 

Hardly scientific, I admit, but I'm having a hard time finding anything slow enough to justify a $70 outlay on a system with a UI I outright hate...
 
2012-10-31 08:44:33 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: drjekel_mrhyde: Legal copy and it's faster than Windows 7


To be honest, I took 2 machines with similar hardware, loaded WinXP SP3 (fully updated) and Win7 fully updated, put our office apps on both and then timed the start-up time from a cold boot and it wasn't significantly different.

I suspect that when you compare a clean, new Win7 machine with a 3 year old WinXP machine the 7 box will boot faster and run smoother. Just a hunch.
 
2012-10-31 08:47:08 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: In what way? I honestly can't think of anything that I would need to be "faster" in Windows 7.


The most immediately noticeable thing is startup time. On the same machine, I'm to a usable screen in half the time.
 
2012-10-31 08:52:58 PM

angrymacface: Y'all hating on the Windows 8 interface should realize that MS will probably use the same in Windows 9.


Meh, and if it does then the eye will wander towards window 10 or perhaps to another OS that hasn't lost sight of its users' needs, that's all. Gimmie a solid PC gaming platform and I'll be happy, the rest of the apps are trivial and easily portable. Anything but apple though, please.
 
2012-10-31 09:09:45 PM

LasersHurt:
What do you assume is broken about it?


It's a Microsoft product. Every version of Windows since 95 was broken until the first service pack came out.
I might upgrade to Win8... in about a year. When the early adopters helped them work the bugs out, and I know all my hardware has drivers. And people have had time to hack the UI back into a usable state.
 
2012-10-31 09:18:44 PM

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


Same reason you must be paid by Google to hate on MS?

/that taunt gets old
 
2012-10-31 09:36:06 PM

Flying Code Monkey: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

Same reason you must be paid by Google to hate on MS?

/that taunt gets old


So much Microsoft suckery going on here. Does Steve Balmer make your sphinky tingle?
 
2012-10-31 09:38:08 PM
Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.
 
2012-10-31 09:42:51 PM

red5ish: Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.


I bet you're a riot at parties.
 
2012-10-31 10:11:25 PM

Marine1: red5ish: Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.

I bet you're a riot at parties.


Yeah, I'm a scream. That has nothing to do with the fact that touching and swiping is useless when creating documents, working in spreadsheets or Photoshop.

It seems to me that Microsoft wants to get in on the apps store gravy train and are pushing mobile computing whether the end users want to go mobile or not. The huge majority of installed equipment at business all over the world has no touch interface nor do the software applications most people use to get real life work done.
 
gad
2012-10-31 10:13:19 PM

red5ish: Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.


I agree - no drama, no hate. Don't want it, don't need it. I do have a iPad and I'm happy with that, I do have desktop computers and they don't need touchscreen big blocky interfaces to work. Sure some of these people who appear to be hyper excited with this Windows 8 are paid to act like this is the coolest thing in the world but it'll fall or rise based on what people actually think of it. Vista didn't pass the smell test and people are smart enough to decide whether this smells or not. I've already got a new copy of Windows 7 for my next computer build so they won't be pushing me to it.
 
2012-10-31 10:15:31 PM
Still on the XPSP3 for `main' machines (old p4 3.2's with the `end of the road' 1gb AGP8 cards). Transcoding vid is a bit sluggish but not so much so that I'll switch. Too many programs used regularly that laugh at vista/7 compat. modes (laptops are just too `new').

Will probably switch out to 7 on next desktop builds when i7's/fast SSD's reach `pricing' decrepitude and these old Supermicro motherboards die.

Last significant upgrade to hardware was adding four WD .5TB passports on $30.00 firewire 800 pci cards.
Have SATA drives sitting, collecting dust, the ATA100's won't croak. Last XP builds: 2004 - rock solid (high `static value' - no reason to go mucking around in questionable `dynamic' $$$ territory).

/late adopter
//will look into win8 just before MS ends support for it
 
2012-10-31 10:31:27 PM
So the classic Windows games like Minesweeper have ads now? Is Microsoft really hurting for money that badly?
 
2012-10-31 10:35:44 PM

oren0: Vegan Meat Popsicle: In what way? I honestly can't think of anything that I would need to be "faster" in Windows 7.

The most immediately noticeable thing is startup time. On the same machine, I'm to a usable screen in half the time.


So...2 minutes instead of 5? And that assumes you do a shutdown regularly.
 
2012-10-31 10:44:36 PM

solokumba: As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x262]

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.


The main difference is that windows users don't need a leader.
 
2012-10-31 10:47:12 PM

red5ish: Yeah, I'm a scream. That has nothing to do with the fact that touching and swiping is useless when creating documents, working in spreadsheets or Photoshop.


Or development/database work, etc.

Where proffeshunal version MS, Whar?
 
2012-10-31 10:52:25 PM
Dogs bark, but the caravan move on.
 
2012-10-31 11:04:50 PM
The reason Windows 8 seems to start up fast is because it doesn't shut down. It goes into a new type of hibernation mode by default.
 
2012-10-31 11:09:53 PM

RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.


I just upgraded from xp to w8 on a core2duo 3ghz machine. W8 is WAY faster....

So far l reall like it, with Classic Shell. Great deal for $40.
 
2012-10-31 11:10:52 PM
Most likely, being that it's sold over 4 Million upgrades.
 
2012-10-31 11:31:05 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Thank you. Come again.
 
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