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2012-10-31 03:24:27 PM  
300 fukin' apps in the windows store!

/impressive
 
2012-10-31 03:42:07 PM  
That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer
 
2012-10-31 03:44:11 PM  
Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.
 
2012-10-31 03:51:19 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer


How would you know it's a POS without using it?
 
2012-10-31 03:54:20 PM  
The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.
 
2012-10-31 03:54:26 PM  
FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem
 
2012-10-31 03:55:05 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


What do you assume is broken about it?
 
2012-10-31 03:55:45 PM  

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


It runs exactly the same as Windows 7. Its stable and fast. But Windows 8 adds pretty graphics that get in the way of actually doing work.

/been using it since Saturday
 
2012-10-31 03:59:48 PM  

LasersHurt: What do you assume is broken about it?


Or, you know, we could stick to the point. What does Windows 8 give me? If you're going to ask me to buy a new OS from you, I'd kind of like to know what I'm getting for my money. As of yet, just like with Vista's initial release, I'm not seeing the benefit, even ignoring the shiatty UI.

And, no, putting all my stuff on Microsoft's cloud service and loading up my desktop with SSDs so it boots quickly isn't going to cut it. The minute it takes me to get into Windows 7 isn't a huge burden on me worthy of the $70 upgrade cost.
 
2012-10-31 04:00:13 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


They've also been out since 2005.

Doesn't OSX 10.7+ have the same features in terms of app store, by the way?

Sorry, I forgot...

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-31 04:01:08 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: What do you assume is broken about it?

Or, you know, we could stick to the point. What does Windows 8 give me? If you're going to ask me to buy a new OS from you, I'd kind of like to know what I'm getting for my money. As of yet, just like with Vista's initial release, I'm not seeing the benefit, even ignoring the shiatty UI.

And, no, putting all my stuff on Microsoft's cloud service and loading up my desktop with SSDs so it boots quickly isn't going to cut it. The minute it takes me to get into Windows 7 isn't a huge burden on me worthy of the $70 upgrade cost.


You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.
 
2012-10-31 04:02:19 PM  

gingerjet: It runs exactly the same as Windows 7. Its stable and fast. But Windows 8 adds pretty graphics that get in the way of actually doing work.


Yea, I don't really get why people say this every Windows release. I haven't had significant stability or performance issues since moving to XP. Yet, every release since, I'm assured by other people that this new one is so much more stable and quick than XP/Vista/7!

I don't know what these people do to their machines, but stability kinda stopped being a selling point for me after XP and just kind of became "expected".
 
2012-10-31 04:02:26 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


It will be 301 soon, as I'm writing an app for it. And I'm only doing so because I have to, because some genius decided to use Windows RT for something he shouldn't. Hopefully I can stop supporting it when Pro comes out.
 
2012-10-31 04:03:47 PM  
OOH MY GOD MY GLUB JAMIN DOT NOT INDIAN
 
2012-10-31 04:05:35 PM  

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?
 
2012-10-31 04:06:29 PM  
Content of overwhelming response: "Get this shiat out of my support center! I would rather support a Lohan drug habit than this turd."
 
2012-10-31 04:06:41 PM  

LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.


No, I didn't, I said that 9 would "likely" be a fix to make things operate like they should have in 8. Just like 7 was more like Vista Done Right than its own operating system.

Yea, I could just wait for the first service pack which essentially does the same thing, but, again, why would I waste my money on 8 when 7 works fine and the next version will be out before 7's support period is up? If you're going to ask for my money for a new OS, tell me what makes it worth it.

Hell, if they'd continue to support XP and offer the new Direct X versions on it I'd be happy to just use that for my personal machine. Works better than fine. They still haven't convinced me 7 was worthwhile, now they want me to fork out for 8?
 
2012-10-31 04:07:21 PM  
This is just like a thread on politics.
 
2012-10-31 04:08:20 PM  

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


If I'm a paid shill, I'm still waiting for my paycheck from Big Microsoft.

And Big Pharma.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-31 04:08:37 PM  
Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.
 
2012-10-31 04:08:37 PM  

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.
 
2012-10-31 04:08:53 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.

No, I didn't


Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.

 
2012-10-31 04:09:00 PM  
Windows 8 looks liek a piece of shiat, they really should just make a Windows Mobile OS if that's what they want to do, instead of trying to turn laptops and desktops into iPads. I'll wait for Windows Insurrection to not look like a piece of shiat, thank you very much.

/because, you know, only every other OS is any good.
 
2012-10-31 04:09:51 PM  
I am technically adept, but not a techie.
I bought it and installed it. It was simple enough. I started the process at 6 pm and was done by 9. I looked around a tested a few regular used items for context.
I'm not so sure why they have dual desk-tops. It is a little inconvenient is terms of closing programs, opening the start menu (or W8's equivalent). It's no slower or faster than W7 was.
It has a couple of twitchy photo apps in that it keeps going back to the bottom of the file list while scrolling. That's pretty frustrating.
I played with an HP desktop with W8 and a touch-screen. It worked fine and looked like a huge horizontal Ipad.
 
2012-10-31 04:12:05 PM  

RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.


I've performed those tests. XP is significantly slower. Not sure what you're talking about on this one. Our tests went like this (slowest to fastest):

XP
Vista (non-SP)
(huge speed different here)
Vista (SPs installed)
7 (SPs installed)
8 (tiny improvement, does not override other concerns)

As with anything, obviously, speed is not often the primary consideration. Then again, I remember the days when people had to do things like wait for the start button to pop up on slow machines. :D
 
2012-10-31 04:12:05 PM  

RandomAxe: It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.


Windows XP was also released in October of 2001, making it over 11 years old.

If I put Windows 95 on my XP box, it's probably going to run faster too.
 
2012-10-31 04:12:57 PM  

BronyMedic: RandomAxe: It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

Windows XP was also released in October of 2001, making it over 11 years old.

If I put Windows 95 on my XP box, it's probably going to run faster too.


Don't do it! I still support a damned Windows 95 box. I won't let it touch any networks, but the thing is pure, unadulterated evil.

/almost as bad as 2000 server
 
2012-10-31 04:15:02 PM  

FitzShivering: Don't do it! I still support a damned Windows 95 box. I won't let it touch any networks, but the thing is pure, unadulterated evil.


You're telling me, brother. I still have an Win 95 OSR2 one on VMWare Player I just got sound to work on so I can play legacy games on it.
 
2012-10-31 04:16:04 PM  

FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.


This. I've heard from a few ITers that is their biggest fear...handing it over to people who play Angry Bird and sit on Facebook all day in the office. Since it's a whole new UI, the calls I'm sure will be flooding in to tech support, "Whar my kid's pictures, whar?" etc etc.
 
2012-10-31 04:19:09 PM  

FinFangFark: FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.

This. I've heard from a few ITers that is their biggest fear...handing it over to people who play Angry Bird and sit on Facebook all day in the office. Since it's a whole new UI, the calls I'm sure will be flooding in to tech support, "Whar my kid's pictures, whar?" etc etc.


I had to rescue someone's family photos on a Saturday because their only copies were on their work PC.

I instituted a new policy after that.
 
2012-10-31 04:22:35 PM  

LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.

No, I didn't

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Yea, I know, it's pretty unusual to speculate on the path of a company's new product based on its prior performance with other, similar products.

Take your strawman and stuff it up your ass, troll.
 
2012-10-31 04:23:26 PM  

LasersHurt: How would you know it's a POS without using it?


I've been using it. I figure it's coming sooner or later and someone in my office should know how it works...

I was sort of expecting horrible but frankly, it's fine. Tiles aren't really my cup of tea and I was dreading the setup but an hour and a half after opening my new laptop I had office and qb pro installed and registered, crapware uninstalled, my old vpn and remote desktop set up aaaaaaaand... despite never trying it or reading any tutorials it all went off without a hitch. Things are in different places. I sort of miss the old desktop (which is still there, you just have to deal with tiles to get to it) but all in all it's quick and it works fine. My prediction: people who actually spend an hour with it will get over it quickly. It seems unfamiliar at first but at the end of the day it's not like it's missing any functionality we had in 7.
 
2012-10-31 04:23:49 PM  

FinFangFark: FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.

This. I've heard from a few ITers that is their biggest fear...handing it over to people who play Angry Bird and sit on Facebook all day in the office. Since it's a whole new UI, the calls I'm sure will be flooding in to tech support, "Whar my kid's pictures, whar?" etc etc.


Hah. It's so very, very, true. I have people who still can't get a grasp on Windows 7, despite the fact they've been on it for a very, very long time. It was "too different" from XP. I can't imagine switching them to this interface. Their heads may actually explode, and I can't ask my network admins to clean up brains.

That said, this is not the worst disaster to befall computer land: Back when I helped out more with help desk type things, my absolute highest call volume ever was when Oprah had recommended some coupon printer program on her show to get something free (I don't remember the details). People who otherwise knew better all started apologetically calling me because they either "couldn't get their printer program to work" or because "they needed help ASAP!" I eventually had to send a corporate-wide e-mail saying, "No matter what Oprah says, the work computers are not for printing free coupons. Those of you without administrative rights will not get them to print free items. Please stop calling and/or logging help desk cases."

/back in the days before UAC, etc.
//still hate giving people administrative rights to this day, but I have to admit despite its downfalls, it makes business run a hell of a lot faster
///STILL a bad idea
////damned Windows!
//Damned shiatty programmers!
 
2012-10-31 04:24:14 PM  
Once again, there's nothing wrong with Windows 8. It's FINE. It works FINE. Microsoft made a lot of small performance improvements that add up to something really nice, but they added Metro as well and Metro isn't that great.

On the other hand, from being a regular Windows 8 user for a few months I can tell you that I barely even see Metro. I might have a reason to flip back to it once a day. If it really bugged me, I'd install "Classic Start" and never worry about it again, but since I barely see it, it's not even worth messing around to change anything.
 
2012-10-31 04:24:51 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.

No, I didn't

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.

Yea, I know, it's pretty unusual to speculate on the path of a company's new product based on its prior performance with other, similar products.

Take your strawman and stuff it up your ass, troll.


LOL my strawman, hilarious. You're good fun. I have never done so little and seen someone lose his shiat.
 
2012-10-31 04:25:43 PM  
COMPUTERS SIMPLIFY MY LIFE BY GIVING ME SOMETHING TO ARGUE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT!!!1!!1
 
2012-10-31 04:27:38 PM  

LasersHurt: LOL my strawman, hilarious. You're good fun. I have never done so little and seen someone lose his shiat.


I've said it before and I'll say it again - I love browsing the tech threads and watching lasershurt be called an apple troll in one and a msft troll in the next. Good times.

/and shame on you for judging products based on their merits - let's pick a side and stick to it shall we?
 
2012-10-31 04:52:51 PM  
Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.
 
2012-10-31 04:53:17 PM  

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


So...you bought a new computer which implies its faster than your old computer and you're saying Windows 8 is much faster even though you haven't run Windows 7 on it as a comparison? Alright then.

/have no real issues with anyone using windows 8
//logic just bothered me
 
2012-10-31 04:55:16 PM  
my biggest question: when not in a touch environment, just with a KBPD, why in the world do they not have things like the Charms, App Switcher and home button on screen all the time? maybe a top-or-bottom mounted fixed bar like in Mac OS X? Having to throw my cursor to the corner to unhide them, or to change apps or to go to the home screen is just really annoying. It works much nicer in a touch environment, but in KBPD? No way.
 
2012-10-31 04:56:07 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.


You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.
 
2012-10-31 04:56:13 PM  
They're all getting up to speed so they'll know what harmless common error messages to lead you to in your event viewer to convince you to let them remotely login to your machine.
 
2012-10-31 05:00:42 PM  

Ed Finnerty: BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.

You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.


Depends whose ass.
 
2012-10-31 05:05:32 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Oh, yeah? Well, I run XP unskinned (grey rectangles are so freakin in right now).

/hip
 
2012-10-31 05:09:18 PM  

uttertosh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.

Oh, yeah? Well, I run XP unskinned (grey rectangles are so freakin in right now).

/hip


You're all sell-outs. I run Windows 3.1 On weed.
 
2012-10-31 05:11:18 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


You have to be shiatting us.. EVERYONE is going to develop apps for the system. *I* am going to develop apps for the system. There are going to be millions of people buying them, Im not missing a dirt easy development route to use existing skills and infrastructure to make money.
 
2012-10-31 05:13:28 PM  
Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?
 
2012-10-31 05:20:34 PM  

LasersHurt: MaudlinMutantMollusk: That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer

How would you know it's a POS without using it?


There is the problem. I have friends who heard about something bad from some page click happy blogger on how bad it is.
/My 12 year old daughter has been running it(non touch dell laptop) for three days with no problem
 
2012-10-31 05:21:16 PM  

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


That's saying something. Windows 7 was pretty damned good.

I'm finding the programs I use on the desktop are ones I pin to the task bar anyways, so I don't have to hunt for anything.
 
2012-10-31 05:21:58 PM  

killro: Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?


I've had zero problems running Steam on Windows 8 Pro.
 
2012-10-31 05:22:20 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Legal copy and it's faster than Windows 7
 
2012-10-31 05:39:34 PM  
under the hood windows 8 is nice..
Just the interface is a nightmare..
 
2012-10-31 05:45:59 PM  

Mcavity: under the hood windows 8 is nice..
Just the interface is a nightmare..


So its the butherface of operating systems?
 
2012-10-31 05:53:47 PM  
Complainers when Vista came out: "Ugh, it makes my computer slower. It's totally not worth it for old hardware."

Complainers as Win 8 comes out: "Ugh, it only makes my computer faster and more secure. Plus there's no start button? OMG!?!?"


/release version of Vista did suck, with widespread driver problems. Win 8? Not at all
 
2012-10-31 05:58:53 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Ed Finnerty: BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.

You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.

Depends whose ass.


You're right. That's a very important detail.

Maybe it would depend on the size of one's screen. 17" = Mila Kunis, 27" = Rosanne
 
2012-10-31 05:58:53 PM  

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


On launch day, there were some ~5,700 apps. The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .
 
2012-10-31 06:05:58 PM  
Here is your FREE copy of Windows 8 for dummies Link
And there are 10,000 apps in the store as of two days ago Link
 
2012-10-31 06:13:52 PM  

MrSteve007: The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .


Curiously, all 300 apps have nested tabs, calendar buttons everywhere, and dropdowns with only one choice.
 
2012-10-31 06:24:29 PM  

RandomAxe: It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.


XP is not faster for anything. Most people don't even use the 64 bit version, drastically limiting the RAM they can use.
 
2012-10-31 06:36:20 PM  

killro: Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?


Yes, I'd like to know this and how Punkbuster is.
 
2012-10-31 06:54:30 PM  

Mcavity: under the hood windows 8 is nice..
Just the interface is a nightmare..


There used to be lots of alternative shells for Windows like Litestep. Maybe those will make a comeback now. I would love to have a Windows 2000 style shell in fact, maybe someone can port the ReactOS shell to work on it. Unless Microsoft has stripped away the ability to even run another shell which would not surprise seeing how hard they worked to strip out the Start menu code or the hacks letting you bypass Metro. It's like they're saying "You'll run it our way and you'll like it". I was hoping Windows 8 would fail miserably, the arrogant twats need to be knocked down a few notches.
 
2012-10-31 06:58:13 PM  
I just started using WIndows 8 on Saturday.

It's a little weird on a dual monitor machine, and so far, the only performance issue is when trying to play a game on one screen and watching a video on another (the video stutters). This worked fine for me in the past on the same hardware with windows 7, so I expect it will be fixed at some point.

I also installed it on my living room PC (which is hooked to my 46" tv) and the Windows 8 UI is actually quite nice in that use case. I use it with a Logitech k400 wireless keyboard with a track pad built in, which gets it closer to a touch device than using a mouse. I'm surprised at how much I enjoy using the new interface.

Just yesterday, I went to best buy to look at the Lenovo Ideapad Yoga 13, which is a Windows 8 convertible that is like a hybrid between an Ultrabook and a tablet. I'm not sure if I'll buy one, but it seems like it would be cool to have a 13" tablet that can run full windows programs as well as 'apps' from the windows app store...and then convert to a regular laptop for more serious usage.

/just to show that I'm not a M$ fanboi, this is coming from someone that has owned an iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s, an iPad, an iPad3, a 2010 Macbook Pro, a 2011 Mac Mini, an AppleTV2, and an Apple TV3. I really didn't like Vista when it came out either, and when it did, I switched to Ubuntu until that got old for me...which happened to be about halfway through the Windows 7 beta release.

//it doesn't cost $70 to upgrade to Windows 8. You can 'upgrade' for $40. I've also heard that if you claim you bought a windows 7 computer in the last 3 months, you can get it for $15, and they don't seem to check to see if you actaully did just buy a new windows 7 machine.

///If you're into windows media center, it's no longer included. But if you'd like it for free (instead of paying $9.99 to activate it) you can get it here: Link
 
2012-10-31 07:00:38 PM  

Slampig: I've also heard that if you claim you bought a windows 7 computer in the last 3 months, you can get it for $15, and they don't seem to check to see if you actaully did just buy a new windows 7 machine.


That was true over the weekend, however word got out and Microsoft fixed that loophole. You can still get it for $15 but you must now provide a valid Windows 7 product key. I think you can still make up any date you want for when you bought your computer, there's really no way they can check that.
 
2012-10-31 07:01:33 PM  
Perfect example of how a book really is judged by it's cover....
 
2012-10-31 07:01:36 PM  

RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.


Here's a few things that will be way faster in 8 compared to XP, just off the top if my head:

Arranging a web browser window and a Word document window side by side so you can refer to the web page when editing your document, thanks to the while Aero Snap feature added in Win 7.

Assuming that the machine being used has a reasonable amount of RAM like 8 or 16 GB, the Win 8 us going to run rings around the XP box when doing content creation because of the RAM limitations in normal XP (yes, there was an x64 version, but the less said about that the better).

Simple tasks like moving video playback windows around the screen are much less processor intensive in 7 and 8, because the work of drawing the pixels in screen is handed off to the GPU in the Windows Presentation Foundation, so despite all the eye candy in 7 with Aero, your CPU is actually doing LESS work compared to XP, especially with a higher resolution screen.

Resuming from Hibernate. If it actually works in XP, which was always iffy, it took almost as long to resume as a cold boot, and there was always some driver that was glitchy. With Win 8, you open the lid on your laptop and you are back to work in a matter of seconds.

Any app that is multithreaded is going to get a performance boost in 8 thanks to the updated task scheduler, and even basic multitasking is going to be a little faster thanks to the tweaks under the hood.

XP was a good OS for last decade, but there is only so much you can patch it. I don't agree with all of the UI changes in 8 (I really think there should have been Win 8 for tablets and a non-Metro Win 8 for laptops and desktops), but the changes in hardware between 2001 and now have rendered XP painfully obsolete. Even a budget build is going to suffer because XP is not well optimized for massively multithreaded processors like the 12 thread i7s, large amounts of RAM, and SSD drives. It's had its day, and anyone using even relatively up to date hardware is doing themselves a disservice if they aren't at least using 7.
 
2012-10-31 07:02:29 PM  

italie: Perfect example of how a book really is judged by it's cover....


The UI of an operating system is a bit more important than a book cover. It's what you are going to be interacting with every day. It's probably the most important part of an OS there is to the end user.
 
2012-10-31 07:21:39 PM  

Hand Banana: italie: Perfect example of how a book really is judged by it's cover....

The UI of an operating system is a bit more important than a book cover. It's what you are going to be interacting with every day. It's probably the most important part of an OS there is to the end user.


I was more referring to people commenting on the performance, and being "way worse" than Windows 7. It's practically the same core.
 
2012-10-31 07:25:59 PM  

MrSteve007:

On launch day, there were some ~5,700 apps. The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .


300 apps developed in India in a single day. These are going to be of the highest quality imaginable.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-10-31 07:27:58 PM  

Gotfire: MrSteve007:

On launch day, there were some ~5,700 apps. The article is only taking about the 300 apps currently in process for release from a single day coding event in India . . .

300 apps developed in India in a single day. These are going to be of the highest quality imaginable.

What could possibly go wrong?


They will truly do the needful.
 
2012-10-31 07:31:29 PM  
When I first saw Windows 8 my first thought was why doesn't Microsoft give the option of just running a classic desktop? Yes there are hacks or apps that will do this, but why not a system option? The answer is simple. It makes you use it. Most (not all) people that I know that has used it for more than a day or two actually say once they get used to it they like it and don't miss the standard desktop.

If the option to run the old way was there (easily) that would be how people use it.

//Most likely already has surpassed Mountain Lion in OS Market Share.
 
2012-10-31 07:34:27 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Gotfire: MrSteve007:They will truly do the needful.


I thought our ccne we staff in Sri Lanka invented that phrase until you posted that. This makes me laugh now on several levels.
 
2012-10-31 07:41:38 PM  
As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

4.bp.blogspot.com

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.
 
2012-10-31 08:01:13 PM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 08:06:26 PM  

solokumba: As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x262]

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.


www.softpanorama.org

Here's yours. A lot like yours, just groomed and with a shiat ton more cash and success.
 
2012-10-31 08:06:59 PM  

solokumba: As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x262]

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.


i.imgur.com
Pretty sure that guy is eating a Linux user brain
 
2012-10-31 08:07:59 PM  
Article reads like something translated by Babelfish. Or maybe something written by Siri.
 
2012-10-31 08:20:34 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: gingerjet: It runs exactly the same as Windows 7. Its stable and fast. But Windows 8 adds pretty graphics that get in the way of actually doing work.

Yea, I don't really get why people say this every Windows release. I haven't had significant stability or performance issues since moving to XP. Yet, every release since, I'm assured by other people that this new one is so much more stable and quick than XP/Vista/7!

I don't know what these people do to their machines, but stability kinda stopped being a selling point for me after XP and just kind of became "expected".


I'm not a Windows fan boy; far from it. I grew up with a UNIX background and still love Linux. However, I will say that I've had virtually no stability issues with anything on Windows 7. To borrow a phrase from Apple fans, "It just works".

It has been better than XP ever was and while I have probably a 70 / 30 ratio of windows XP to windows 7 machines in the office, I spent far more time dealing with XP computers -- most likely because they're older but not significantly so.

At any rate, there's nothing about Windows 8 that makes me think it's something I need to consider for the office any time soon.
 
2012-10-31 08:22:51 PM  
Y'all hating on the Windows 8 interface should realize that MS will probably use the same in Windows 9.
 
2012-10-31 08:26:11 PM  
With 1.25 billion windows PCs and a very low upgrade cost there will be a signifcant number of users that upgrade but large companies will take their sweet time.

/will upgrade old laptop just to check it out
 
2012-10-31 08:32:57 PM  

andyofne: It has been better than XP ever was and while I have probably a 70 / 30


I never really had stability issues with XP. Aside from failing hardware and malware, I've never really seen bluescreens on our XP machines at work. Compare this to my experience with 95, 98, 98SE and ME (yes, I had a copy of ME...) where looking at it funny cause the whole thing to go apeshiat.

drjekel_mrhyde: Legal copy and it's faster than Windows 7


In what way? I honestly can't think of anything that I would need to be "faster" in Windows 7. Just for shiats and giggles I just launched Diablo 3. It was up before 3 Mississippi. Oblivion was up before 2 Mississippi. Guild Wars 2 is up before 2 Mississippi. My slowest Steam Game was up before 5 Mississippi. 

Hardly scientific, I admit, but I'm having a hard time finding anything slow enough to justify a $70 outlay on a system with a UI I outright hate...
 
2012-10-31 08:44:33 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: drjekel_mrhyde: Legal copy and it's faster than Windows 7


To be honest, I took 2 machines with similar hardware, loaded WinXP SP3 (fully updated) and Win7 fully updated, put our office apps on both and then timed the start-up time from a cold boot and it wasn't significantly different.

I suspect that when you compare a clean, new Win7 machine with a 3 year old WinXP machine the 7 box will boot faster and run smoother. Just a hunch.
 
2012-10-31 08:47:08 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: In what way? I honestly can't think of anything that I would need to be "faster" in Windows 7.


The most immediately noticeable thing is startup time. On the same machine, I'm to a usable screen in half the time.
 
2012-10-31 08:52:58 PM  

angrymacface: Y'all hating on the Windows 8 interface should realize that MS will probably use the same in Windows 9.


Meh, and if it does then the eye will wander towards window 10 or perhaps to another OS that hasn't lost sight of its users' needs, that's all. Gimmie a solid PC gaming platform and I'll be happy, the rest of the apps are trivial and easily portable. Anything but apple though, please.
 
2012-10-31 09:09:45 PM  

LasersHurt:
What do you assume is broken about it?


It's a Microsoft product. Every version of Windows since 95 was broken until the first service pack came out.
I might upgrade to Win8... in about a year. When the early adopters helped them work the bugs out, and I know all my hardware has drivers. And people have had time to hack the UI back into a usable state.
 
2012-10-31 09:18:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


Same reason you must be paid by Google to hate on MS?

/that taunt gets old
 
2012-10-31 09:36:06 PM  

Flying Code Monkey: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

Same reason you must be paid by Google to hate on MS?

/that taunt gets old


So much Microsoft suckery going on here. Does Steve Balmer make your sphinky tingle?
 
2012-10-31 09:38:08 PM  
Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.
 
2012-10-31 09:42:51 PM  

red5ish: Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.


I bet you're a riot at parties.
 
2012-10-31 10:11:25 PM  

Marine1: red5ish: Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.

I bet you're a riot at parties.


Yeah, I'm a scream. That has nothing to do with the fact that touching and swiping is useless when creating documents, working in spreadsheets or Photoshop.

It seems to me that Microsoft wants to get in on the apps store gravy train and are pushing mobile computing whether the end users want to go mobile or not. The huge majority of installed equipment at business all over the world has no touch interface nor do the software applications most people use to get real life work done.
 
gad
2012-10-31 10:13:19 PM  

red5ish: Windows 8 Upgrade: No Touch, No Good - Information Week, Byte Newsletter
Windows 8 was developed from the ground up with a touch-enabled interface that works best when tapped and swiped. - PC World

I will not be an early adopter. Microsoft has a knack for creating UIs that I don't need and do not want.
"The Ribbon" in their office suite software. "The Kinect" for the XBox 360. Now they have made their next generation OS optimized for touch pads/screens.

Should I ever feel the need to own or use a mobile touch pad device I'll probably get an iPad. To date I have no use for one. All of the programs I use require a keyboard, a mouse, sometimes a digitizer.
No touchy the big, pretty, clean high res monitor, please.


I agree - no drama, no hate. Don't want it, don't need it. I do have a iPad and I'm happy with that, I do have desktop computers and they don't need touchscreen big blocky interfaces to work. Sure some of these people who appear to be hyper excited with this Windows 8 are paid to act like this is the coolest thing in the world but it'll fall or rise based on what people actually think of it. Vista didn't pass the smell test and people are smart enough to decide whether this smells or not. I've already got a new copy of Windows 7 for my next computer build so they won't be pushing me to it.
 
2012-10-31 10:15:31 PM  
Still on the XPSP3 for `main' machines (old p4 3.2's with the `end of the road' 1gb AGP8 cards). Transcoding vid is a bit sluggish but not so much so that I'll switch. Too many programs used regularly that laugh at vista/7 compat. modes (laptops are just too `new').

Will probably switch out to 7 on next desktop builds when i7's/fast SSD's reach `pricing' decrepitude and these old Supermicro motherboards die.

Last significant upgrade to hardware was adding four WD .5TB passports on $30.00 firewire 800 pci cards.
Have SATA drives sitting, collecting dust, the ATA100's won't croak. Last XP builds: 2004 - rock solid (high `static value' - no reason to go mucking around in questionable `dynamic' $$$ territory).

/late adopter
//will look into win8 just before MS ends support for it
 
2012-10-31 10:31:27 PM  
So the classic Windows games like Minesweeper have ads now? Is Microsoft really hurting for money that badly?
 
2012-10-31 10:35:44 PM  

oren0: Vegan Meat Popsicle: In what way? I honestly can't think of anything that I would need to be "faster" in Windows 7.

The most immediately noticeable thing is startup time. On the same machine, I'm to a usable screen in half the time.


So...2 minutes instead of 5? And that assumes you do a shutdown regularly.
 
2012-10-31 10:44:36 PM  

solokumba: As a Linux and Mac user i'll just leave this here....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 350x262]

This is your leader winLovers.
Deal with it.


The main difference is that windows users don't need a leader.
 
2012-10-31 10:47:12 PM  

red5ish: Yeah, I'm a scream. That has nothing to do with the fact that touching and swiping is useless when creating documents, working in spreadsheets or Photoshop.


Or development/database work, etc.

Where proffeshunal version MS, Whar?
 
2012-10-31 10:52:25 PM  
Dogs bark, but the caravan move on.
 
2012-10-31 11:04:50 PM  
The reason Windows 8 seems to start up fast is because it doesn't shut down. It goes into a new type of hibernation mode by default.
 
2012-10-31 11:09:53 PM  

RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.


I just upgraded from xp to w8 on a core2duo 3ghz machine. W8 is WAY faster....

So far l reall like it, with Classic Shell. Great deal for $40.
 
2012-10-31 11:10:52 PM  
Most likely, being that it's sold over 4 Million upgrades.
 
2012-10-31 11:31:05 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Thank you. Come again.
 
2012-10-31 11:43:58 PM  

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


Don't know if he is, but i'm not. And after getting over the interface learning curve(about 1 afternoon) My productivity is the same.

And for those that want to know what you "get" with windows 8? There are PLENTY of Under the hood articles out about it.

And for those crying about interface. meh, adapt or die. Microsoft has to push hard into the mobile computing market. 8 runs freakin awesome on my Surface Tablet. The only thing I cant use it for is VisualStudio 2010, and as I am soon to receive a copy of VS2012 Ultimate :) I will be able to build and compile on my new tablet. Already setting up the structures for a few apps i am planning on writing.
 
2012-10-31 11:59:53 PM  

SwingDancer: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

Don't know if he is, but i'm not. And after getting over the interface learning curve(about 1 afternoon) My productivity is the same.

And for those that want to know what you "get" with windows 8? There are PLENTY of Under the hood articles out about it.

And for those crying about interface. meh, adapt or die. Microsoft has to push hard into the mobile computing market. 8 runs freakin awesome on my Surface Tablet. The only thing I cant use it for is VisualStudio 2010, and as I am soon to receive a copy of VS2012 Ultimate :) I will be able to build and compile on my new tablet. Already setting up the structures for a few apps i am planning on writing.


So, I'm supposed to ditch all of my legacy programs just because Steve Balmer wants everyone's computer to look like a Fisher Price computer?
 
2012-11-01 12:08:22 AM  

TV's Vinnie: SwingDancer: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

Don't know if he is, but i'm not. And after getting over the interface learning curve(about 1 afternoon) My productivity is the same.

And for those that want to know what you "get" with windows 8? There are PLENTY of Under the hood articles out about it.

And for those crying about interface. meh, adapt or die. Microsoft has to push hard into the mobile computing market. 8 runs freakin awesome on my Surface Tablet. The only thing I cant use it for is VisualStudio 2010, and as I am soon to receive a copy of VS2012 Ultimate :) I will be able to build and compile on my new tablet. Already setting up the structures for a few apps i am planning on writing.

So, I'm supposed to ditch all of my legacy programs just because Steve Balmer wants everyone's computer to look like a Fisher Price computer?


No. Nice troll though. Only the ARM based tablet will not run your legacy stuff, the tablet coming out in a few months WILL be able to, but wont have all the nifty ARM features. However all your legacy stuff works fine on Windows 8. and if your panties get all in a bunch over not being able to figure oput the new Metro interface, well they left the old one on it for "slow learners"
 
2012-11-01 12:11:33 AM  

Doc_Gerbil: 300 fukin' apps in the windows store!

/impressive


ZOMG not enough apps this will surely fail

/reposted from a previous andriod thread
//reposted from previous Kindle fire thread
///Unbind panties, stop being a troll
////adapt or die
 
2012-11-01 12:14:49 AM  
Ed Finnerty: BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.

You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.

Depends whose ass.


It should squeal like a pig when you throw something out, and give you a choice of asses.
 
2012-11-01 12:42:02 AM  

SwingDancer: No. Nice troll though. Only the ARM based tablet will not run your legacy stuff, the tablet coming out in a few months WILL be able to, but wont have all the nifty ARM features. However all your legacy stuff works fine on Windows 8. and if your panties get all in a bunch over not being able to figure oput the new Metro interface, well they left the old one on it for "slow learners"


"Slow learners"? Sorry. But I'm not interested in "Vista II Electric Balmer-loo".

Enjoy your Fisher Price GUI.

/The sheep goes, "Win8 is AWESUM!"
 
2012-11-01 01:03:16 AM  

Flint Ironstag: RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.

I just upgraded from xp to w8 on a core2duo 3ghz machine. W8 is WAY faster....

So far l reall like it, with Classic Shell. Great deal for $40.


Yeah I'm planning to use Classic Shell too when I upgrade. I want the 'under the hood' improvements, but I don't really care for the new UI at this point.
 
2012-11-01 01:42:13 AM  
Makes sense they're going to be fielding billions of confused calls about it
 
2012-11-01 01:43:24 AM  

TV's Vinnie: SwingDancer: No. Nice troll though. Only the ARM based tablet will not run your legacy stuff, the tablet coming out in a few months WILL be able to, but wont have all the nifty ARM features. However all your legacy stuff works fine on Windows 8. and if your panties get all in a bunch over not being able to figure oput the new Metro interface, well they left the old one on it for "slow learners"

"Slow learners"? Sorry. But I'm not interested in "Vista II Electric Balmer-loo".

Enjoy your Fisher Price GUI.

/The sheep goes, "Win8 is AWESUM!"


Hmmm.. insult, insult, insult. Nothing to actually add to the debate. you'd think you got a better rating with fark, the more messages you post.

It's not going away. But I guess we'll just have to wait for windows 9 when it's all awesome again cuz its an odd version number, even though it will also have the metro interface, without the crutch for those that cannot adapt to an everchanging world.

And when I say slow learners i meant it, they left it on there for people who can't figure it out in an afternoon. Sorry if I pegged you with that one. Wasnt meant to be as much of an insult as you took it.
 
2012-11-01 02:15:38 AM  
I used the Consumer Preview for a minute. Mixed feelings, I guess. On one hand it's smooth, stable, and supported ALL of my hardware natively. On the other hand the UI is definitely not very well thought out IMHO in a LOT of ways. Haven't tried it with a touch interface, to be honest.

But there was one thing that blew my mind.

In Desktop mode, right click on the bottom-left corner (where the thumbnail pops up for the vomit pile of tiles that they call the Start Menu now)...

...Where has that popup menu been all my life?
 
2012-11-01 03:17:00 AM  

SwingDancer: my Surface Tablet. The only thing I cant use it for is VisualStudio 2010,


bahaha. You want to code on a tablet?
Talk about masochistic...
 
2012-11-01 04:14:27 AM  
Where are my menus? If I wanted to use the keyboard everytime I needed to use a basic, universal program function I'd still be using DOS. Visually, the thing's like a game of Memory as soon as you get bored with checking the weather.

If only MS would make an OS as fast as XP with a UI that reflected the versatile nature of human thought and took advantage of large, or multiple, monitors by spreading things out instead of making us click one button for every single thing we want to do.

/This is why I keep telling people to buy a Mac or build a Hackintosh.
//One of these days I'll follow my own advice (for my main system, not the slower hacks I have laying around.)
 
2012-11-01 04:42:42 AM  

ReverendJasen: SwingDancer: my Surface Tablet. The only thing I cant use it for is VisualStudio 2010,

bahaha. You want to code on a tablet?
Talk about masochistic...


Technically I have to justify why I needed a tablet and VS 2012. I dont HAVE to code on all the time. Just on the few instances a month I must show my work to the people paying me.
 
2012-11-01 05:16:18 AM  

killro: Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?


fark Games for Windows. fark it in the ass with a rusty street light pole.
 
2012-11-01 05:19:28 AM  

SwingDancer: TV's Vinnie: SwingDancer: No. Nice troll though. Only the ARM based tablet will not run your legacy stuff, the tablet coming out in a few months WILL be able to, but wont have all the nifty ARM features. However all your legacy stuff works fine on Windows 8. and if your panties get all in a bunch over not being able to figure oput the new Metro interface, well they left the old one on it for "slow learners"

"Slow learners"? Sorry. But I'm not interested in "Vista II Electric Balmer-loo".

Enjoy your Fisher Price GUI.

/The sheep goes, "Win8 is AWESUM!"

Hmmm.. insult, insult, insult. Nothing to actually add to the debate. you'd think you got a better rating with fark, the more messages you post.

It's not going away. But I guess we'll just have to wait for windows 9 when it's all awesome again cuz its an odd version number, even though it will also have the metro interface, without the crutch for those that cannot adapt to an everchanging world.

And when I say slow learners i meant it, they left it on there for people who can't figure it out in an afternoon. Sorry if I pegged you with that one. Wasnt meant to be as much of an insult as you took it.


Ah, the calm voice of reason - wasting it's breath. Dude, you can post these facts as often as you like. When people have an excuse to cry butthurt on the Internets, trying to talk them out of it is a waste of time. It is something they do for pleasure.
They will just come back and post the same stuff. I'm not going to argue with them - I'm not an early adopter myself, as a rule. In a couple of years, 90% of the people that are yelling about how horrible it is will be using it - at least if they've bought a new device. And all this will be forgotten, as it has been with every release thet've ever had. The only exception ever was Win7, which was just a fixed version of Vista.
95, 98, WinME, and the beloved XP were all greeted with howls of outrage when they were first released.
This is what the Asperger's crowd likes to do when MS releases an operating system, and they will do it - the actual merits of the OS have no bearing on the matter.
 
2012-11-01 06:56:19 AM  
Wow, I knew Fark was always a bit of a troll haven, but this is pathetic. Since when is Fark populated by curmudgeonly old men and tech illiterate/technophobes? It's not that difficult to use. It's easier to use than iOS or OSX.

XP needs to die. It's a pain in the ass to use these days. My work machine runs 32-bit XP when it was designed for 64-bit 7. I have major issues with this. Why would you buy a PC with an i7 2600 and 8GB of RAM and downgrade it?

For an industry that claims to be bleeding edge and technologically proficient, the IT industry seems to be more technologically backwards and conservative than even the staunchest Tea Party supporter. If people actually took the time to learn how to use something, it might not be so bad. It's funny how everyone calls Mac users babies who need to have their hands held while using the PC, when they're so afraid to use Windows 8 because they have to learn something new.

There are a few things about 8 I don't like, but a lot of it is useful. Basically the start screen is one giant task bar for me, as I always pinned everything there. I also like the Netflix app, works better than the one on iOS and the web browser version.

/I don't expect windows 8 at work, but I wish they would upgrade to 7, and upgrade Acrobat to something other than 8, because acrobat 8 was shiat. 9 fixed all the stability issues.
//upgraded both her laptop and desktop to 8 this weekend. shiatty ass netbook is incompatible due to not being able to support NX. The netbook was pretty much crap from day one and was bought for the novelty of having a teeny laptop for reading ebooks and is hardly used since a real ebook reader was bought
///really needs to find a stable ROM of jellybean that supports Netflix for her Nook
 
2012-11-01 08:36:23 AM  

Mr. Ekshun: If only MS would make an OS as fast as XP with a UI that reflected the versatile nature of human thought and took advantage of large, or multiple, monitors by spreading things out instead of making us click one button for every single thing we want to do.


So basically you want them to slow down windows 7 and 8? Why?
 
2012-11-01 08:45:33 AM  

FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.


Yeah, that's why I'm not pushing for it. We're just now starting to push Win7 out.
 
2012-11-01 09:51:17 AM  

LasersHurt: MaudlinMutantMollusk: That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer

How would you know it's a POS without using it?


The release preview ISO?

/Does like Win 8
//Hate Vista and ME
 
2012-11-01 11:13:13 AM  
.....and among these, behold, I saw a Blue, Green, Yellow and Red Horse, and the name of him atop the horse was Derp, and Incompetence followed with him.......
 
2012-11-01 12:00:13 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: .....and among these, behold, I saw a Blue, Green, Yellow and Red Horse, and the name of him atop the horse was Derp, and Incompetence followed with him.......


DRUG EFFECTIVENESS REVIEW PROJECT is a strange name for an apocalyptic equine.
 
2012-11-01 12:07:12 PM  

BronyMedic: I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


I hear this a lot. Just how slow/"rough" is Windows 7 running for people, because I have no problem with mine.
 
2012-11-01 12:11:59 PM  

jbtilley: BronyMedic: I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

I hear this a lot. Just how slow/"rough" is Windows 7 running for people, because I have no problem with mine.


I have problems with my remaining machine that's running 7, but that's because it's an Acer Aspire One from 2009 that's not compatible with Windows 8 due to its shiatty Atom processor. I upgraded it to 7 from XP and upped the RAM to 2GB, and it still sucks. I'm gonna hackintosh it when I get home because someone else was able to do so successfully and easily.

I liked 7. It was nice and stable. I don't have anything against it. I only hate XP because it really is outdated. Vista wasn't that painful for me TBH, but 7 was much nicer.
 
2012-11-01 12:12:58 PM  

jbtilley: BronyMedic: I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

I hear this a lot. Just how slow/"rough" is Windows 7 running for people, because I have no problem with mine.


The users always forget how the previous OS ran before they installed a bunch of crap on it.

/not a dump truck
 
2012-11-01 12:23:56 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: The users always forget how the previous OS ran before they installed a bunch of crap on it.

/not a dump truck



Yeah, that was the conclusion that I was arriving at as well. They'd get that same smooth speed by just reformatting and putting a fresh copy of Win 7 back on.
 
2012-11-01 12:53:26 PM  

jbtilley: StoPPeRmobile: The users always forget how the previous OS ran before they installed a bunch of crap on it.

/not a dump truck


Yeah, that was the conclusion that I was arriving at as well. They'd get that same smooth speed by just reformatting and putting a fresh copy of Win 7 back on.


I agree 7 works very well but 8 has been tested and shown to be faster.
 
2012-11-01 01:02:36 PM  

Egoy3k: jbtilley: StoPPeRmobile: The users always forget how the previous OS ran before they installed a bunch of crap on it.

/not a dump truck


Yeah, that was the conclusion that I was arriving at as well. They'd get that same smooth speed by just reformatting and putting a fresh copy of Win 7 back on.

I agree 7 works very well but 8 has been tested and shown to be faster.


Agreed. I didn't do a clean install on either of my PCs I was able to upgrade, did the upgrade and export everything to 8 option, and they seem to run faster and use less RAM. I could be imagining things though.
 
2012-11-01 05:11:40 PM  

BohemianGraham:
/I don't expect windows 8 at work, but I wish they would upgrade to 7, and upgrade Acrobat to something other than 8, because acrobat 8 was shiat. 9 fixed all the stability issues.
//upgraded both her laptop and desktop to 8 this weekend. shiatty ass netbook is incompatible due to not being able to support NX. The netbook was pretty much crap from day one and was bought for the novelty of having a teeny laptop for reading ebooks and is hardly used since a real ebook reader was bought
///really needs to find a stable ROM of jellybean that supports Netflix for her Nook


I'm sorry your work hasn't upgraded to 7. I am never on the bleeding edge when it comes to enterprise software, but it didn't take me long with 7 before it got moved to every employee -- I know we were one of the first companies around here that did it. That was just a no-brainer.

Even the "Won't run in Windows 7 programs we had didn't stop me there -- just smacked 'em all in XP Mode and made the interface hidden for the employee. I consider Windows 7 one of the better things to ever happen for business, if for no other reason than the search functionality was so much improved (yes, there were some utilities in XP that allowed you to do it, but they weren't foolproof). Being able to get our employees out of the idea of "Search around in folders all day!" to near instant results from the indexer over their whole computer was a time saver for almost everyone. Not to mention, on the IT side, the addition of the snipping tool (yes, they already had this in a way in XP, but, again, ease of use) made things a hell of a lot easier for us.

Of course, our employees' favorite stock 7 thing (yes, again, also available in other formats in XP), the godforsaken sticky notes!

But, with any business, sometimes they don't have an option to move quickly. Most places I know of that haven't have some pretty good reasons (even though those reasons should have been remedied over the last few years).
 
2012-11-01 05:15:10 PM  

jbtilley: StoPPeRmobile: The users always forget how the previous OS ran before they installed a bunch of crap on it.

/not a dump truck


Yeah, that was the conclusion that I was arriving at as well. They'd get that same smooth speed by just reformatting and putting a fresh copy of Win 7 back on.


Those of us who do testing aren't using "crap-filled" images to test -- we're doing 1 on 1 comparisons. Granted, is it some amazing game changer on speed? No. But it _is_ faster.
 
2012-11-01 05:17:48 PM  

BohemianGraham:
/I don't expect windows 8 at work, but I wish they would upgrade to 7, and upgrade Acrobat to something other than 8, because acrobat 8 was shiat. 9 fixed all the stability issues.


Hell, I forgot the two other bigs one. Snapping open items to the sides of the screen for easy comparison is also gold for our people. And the much better multi-monitor support was great for others. :D

/yes, I //no, I do not hate Win 8
///also ////equal opportunity
 
2012-11-01 05:19:00 PM  
Damn you, filters!
 
2012-11-01 05:44:53 PM  

FitzShivering: BohemianGraham:
/I don't expect windows 8 at work, but I wish they would upgrade to 7, and upgrade Acrobat to something other than 8, because acrobat 8 was shiat. 9 fixed all the stability issues.
//upgraded both her laptop and desktop to 8 this weekend. shiatty ass netbook is incompatible due to not being able to support NX. The netbook was pretty much crap from day one and was bought for the novelty of having a teeny laptop for reading ebooks and is hardly used since a real ebook reader was bought
///really needs to find a stable ROM of jellybean that supports Netflix for her Nook

I'm sorry your work hasn't upgraded to 7. I am never on the bleeding edge when it comes to enterprise software, but it didn't take me long with 7 before it got moved to every employee -- I know we were one of the first companies around here that did it. That was just a no-brainer.

Even the "Won't run in Windows 7 programs we had didn't stop me there -- just smacked 'em all in XP Mode and made the interface hidden for the employee. I consider Windows 7 one of the better things to ever happen for business, if for no other reason than the search functionality was so much improved (yes, there were some utilities in XP that allowed you to do it, but they weren't foolproof). Being able to get our employees out of the idea of "Search around in folders all day!" to near instant results from the indexer over their whole computer was a time saver for almost everyone. Not to mention, on the IT side, the addition of the snipping tool (yes, they already had this in a way in XP, but, again, ease of use) made things a hell of a lot easier for us.

Of course, our employees' favorite stock 7 thing (yes, again, also available in other formats in XP), the godforsaken sticky notes!

But, with any business, sometimes they don't have an option to move quickly. Most places I know of that haven't have some pretty good reasons (even though those reasons should have been remedied over the last few years) ...


Well IT is finally giving us IE 8 tonight! Isn't that so exciting!?!?! It's actually quite sad, because our company only went on corporate's IT a few months ago, before we were on our, and no one had the same software or hardware. However, we all had IE 8. Corporate IT has been a bit of pain in the ass for most of us as we now have webfilters, horribly outdated software (although everyone now has the same software!), and we are now routing through a virtual server 3 provinces away. We're not a small company either. There's no excuse for us to be on XP. Like you said, there's XP mode for legacy software. I have no faith in IT because they can't even be arsed to instal Adobe locally, and insist on using it on a virtual server, which also accounts for a lot of problems in addition to the fact that like Windows, all even versions of Adobe are crap, with the exception being X.

/I'll stop ranting now, I need to start work on my Hackintosh
 
2012-11-01 05:46:12 PM  
Err, somehow my iJesusphone ate the "own cobbled together it" in my last post. Whoops.
 
2012-11-02 07:25:58 PM  
ZOMG! a 6 Billion dollar-per-quarter company released a product. I NEED IT. They are a big company, ya know? Like a BIG company! I Need their product. It's so..... so..... made by a big name company! This thing is like, newer than the older ones! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!?!? It's like time is moving forward, and they aren't not not just sitting there. THIS SPELLS PROGRESS PEOPLE!! I NEEEEEEEED it!

/Wait, what is it again?
 
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