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2012-10-31 03:24:27 PM
300 fukin' apps in the windows store!

/impressive
 
2012-10-31 03:42:07 PM
That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer
 
2012-10-31 03:44:11 PM
Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.
 
2012-10-31 03:51:19 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer


How would you know it's a POS without using it?
 
2012-10-31 03:54:20 PM
The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.
 
2012-10-31 03:54:26 PM
FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem
 
2012-10-31 03:55:05 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


What do you assume is broken about it?
 
2012-10-31 03:55:45 PM

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


It runs exactly the same as Windows 7. Its stable and fast. But Windows 8 adds pretty graphics that get in the way of actually doing work.

/been using it since Saturday
 
2012-10-31 03:59:48 PM

LasersHurt: What do you assume is broken about it?


Or, you know, we could stick to the point. What does Windows 8 give me? If you're going to ask me to buy a new OS from you, I'd kind of like to know what I'm getting for my money. As of yet, just like with Vista's initial release, I'm not seeing the benefit, even ignoring the shiatty UI.

And, no, putting all my stuff on Microsoft's cloud service and loading up my desktop with SSDs so it boots quickly isn't going to cut it. The minute it takes me to get into Windows 7 isn't a huge burden on me worthy of the $70 upgrade cost.
 
2012-10-31 04:00:13 PM

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


They've also been out since 2005.

Doesn't OSX 10.7+ have the same features in terms of app store, by the way?

Sorry, I forgot...

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-31 04:01:08 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: What do you assume is broken about it?

Or, you know, we could stick to the point. What does Windows 8 give me? If you're going to ask me to buy a new OS from you, I'd kind of like to know what I'm getting for my money. As of yet, just like with Vista's initial release, I'm not seeing the benefit, even ignoring the shiatty UI.

And, no, putting all my stuff on Microsoft's cloud service and loading up my desktop with SSDs so it boots quickly isn't going to cut it. The minute it takes me to get into Windows 7 isn't a huge burden on me worthy of the $70 upgrade cost.


You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.
 
2012-10-31 04:02:19 PM

gingerjet: It runs exactly the same as Windows 7. Its stable and fast. But Windows 8 adds pretty graphics that get in the way of actually doing work.


Yea, I don't really get why people say this every Windows release. I haven't had significant stability or performance issues since moving to XP. Yet, every release since, I'm assured by other people that this new one is so much more stable and quick than XP/Vista/7!

I don't know what these people do to their machines, but stability kinda stopped being a selling point for me after XP and just kind of became "expected".
 
2012-10-31 04:02:26 PM

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


It will be 301 soon, as I'm writing an app for it. And I'm only doing so because I have to, because some genius decided to use Windows RT for something he shouldn't. Hopefully I can stop supporting it when Pro comes out.
 
2012-10-31 04:03:47 PM
OOH MY GOD MY GLUB JAMIN DOT NOT INDIAN
 
2012-10-31 04:05:35 PM

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?
 
2012-10-31 04:06:29 PM
Content of overwhelming response: "Get this shiat out of my support center! I would rather support a Lohan drug habit than this turd."
 
2012-10-31 04:06:41 PM

LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.


No, I didn't, I said that 9 would "likely" be a fix to make things operate like they should have in 8. Just like 7 was more like Vista Done Right than its own operating system.

Yea, I could just wait for the first service pack which essentially does the same thing, but, again, why would I waste my money on 8 when 7 works fine and the next version will be out before 7's support period is up? If you're going to ask for my money for a new OS, tell me what makes it worth it.

Hell, if they'd continue to support XP and offer the new Direct X versions on it I'd be happy to just use that for my personal machine. Works better than fine. They still haven't convinced me 7 was worthwhile, now they want me to fork out for 8?
 
2012-10-31 04:07:21 PM
This is just like a thread on politics.
 
2012-10-31 04:08:20 PM

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


If I'm a paid shill, I'm still waiting for my paycheck from Big Microsoft.

And Big Pharma.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-31 04:08:37 PM
Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

For me, XP is as good as I realistically expect Windows to be. I save thousands of dollars by using older machines until they die, and they're quite fast for the things I actually use them for -- browsing the net (mostly with Opera), Netflix, word processing, a few Flash games. I have no reason to 'upgrade'. If I were still playing current games, I'd buy a dedicated platform machine, like a PS3 or Xbox.

Anyway, yes, the Windows 8 UI is not something I want to use. It's not for me, The End.
 
2012-10-31 04:08:37 PM

TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?


I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.
 
2012-10-31 04:08:53 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.

No, I didn't


Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.

 
2012-10-31 04:09:00 PM
Windows 8 looks liek a piece of shiat, they really should just make a Windows Mobile OS if that's what they want to do, instead of trying to turn laptops and desktops into iPads. I'll wait for Windows Insurrection to not look like a piece of shiat, thank you very much.

/because, you know, only every other OS is any good.
 
2012-10-31 04:09:51 PM
I am technically adept, but not a techie.
I bought it and installed it. It was simple enough. I started the process at 6 pm and was done by 9. I looked around a tested a few regular used items for context.
I'm not so sure why they have dual desk-tops. It is a little inconvenient is terms of closing programs, opening the start menu (or W8's equivalent). It's no slower or faster than W7 was.
It has a couple of twitchy photo apps in that it keeps going back to the bottom of the file list while scrolling. That's pretty frustrating.
I played with an HP desktop with W8 and a touch-screen. It worked fine and looked like a huge horizontal Ipad.
 
2012-10-31 04:12:05 PM

RandomAxe: Windows 8 may be exactly what some people want from a Windows OS. That's fine.

It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.


I've performed those tests. XP is significantly slower. Not sure what you're talking about on this one. Our tests went like this (slowest to fastest):

XP
Vista (non-SP)
(huge speed different here)
Vista (SPs installed)
7 (SPs installed)
8 (tiny improvement, does not override other concerns)

As with anything, obviously, speed is not often the primary consideration. Then again, I remember the days when people had to do things like wait for the start button to pop up on slow machines. :D
 
2012-10-31 04:12:05 PM

RandomAxe: It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.


Windows XP was also released in October of 2001, making it over 11 years old.

If I put Windows 95 on my XP box, it's probably going to run faster too.
 
2012-10-31 04:12:57 PM

BronyMedic: RandomAxe: It's not fast, though. You're running it on a fast machine. Try installing XP on that same machine and then see which is faster for routine tasks.

Windows XP was also released in October of 2001, making it over 11 years old.

If I put Windows 95 on my XP box, it's probably going to run faster too.


Don't do it! I still support a damned Windows 95 box. I won't let it touch any networks, but the thing is pure, unadulterated evil.

/almost as bad as 2000 server
 
2012-10-31 04:15:02 PM

FitzShivering: Don't do it! I still support a damned Windows 95 box. I won't let it touch any networks, but the thing is pure, unadulterated evil.


You're telling me, brother. I still have an Win 95 OSR2 one on VMWare Player I just got sound to work on so I can play legacy games on it.
 
2012-10-31 04:16:04 PM

FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.


This. I've heard from a few ITers that is their biggest fear...handing it over to people who play Angry Bird and sit on Facebook all day in the office. Since it's a whole new UI, the calls I'm sure will be flooding in to tech support, "Whar my kid's pictures, whar?" etc etc.
 
2012-10-31 04:19:09 PM

FinFangFark: FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.

This. I've heard from a few ITers that is their biggest fear...handing it over to people who play Angry Bird and sit on Facebook all day in the office. Since it's a whole new UI, the calls I'm sure will be flooding in to tech support, "Whar my kid's pictures, whar?" etc etc.


I had to rescue someone's family photos on a Saturday because their only copies were on their work PC.

I instituted a new policy after that.
 
2012-10-31 04:22:35 PM

LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.

No, I didn't

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Yea, I know, it's pretty unusual to speculate on the path of a company's new product based on its prior performance with other, similar products.

Take your strawman and stuff it up your ass, troll.
 
2012-10-31 04:23:26 PM

LasersHurt: How would you know it's a POS without using it?


I've been using it. I figure it's coming sooner or later and someone in my office should know how it works...

I was sort of expecting horrible but frankly, it's fine. Tiles aren't really my cup of tea and I was dreading the setup but an hour and a half after opening my new laptop I had office and qb pro installed and registered, crapware uninstalled, my old vpn and remote desktop set up aaaaaaaand... despite never trying it or reading any tutorials it all went off without a hitch. Things are in different places. I sort of miss the old desktop (which is still there, you just have to deal with tiles to get to it) but all in all it's quick and it works fine. My prediction: people who actually spend an hour with it will get over it quickly. It seems unfamiliar at first but at the end of the day it's not like it's missing any functionality we had in 7.
 
2012-10-31 04:23:49 PM

FinFangFark: FitzShivering: TV's Vinnie: BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.

LOL! Want to know how I know you're a paid shill?

I'm not sure the person is a paid shill. Windows 8 has run a lot smoother on some of our tests. The problem is the godforsaken interface. There's no way I'm pushing that to our employees.

This. I've heard from a few ITers that is their biggest fear...handing it over to people who play Angry Bird and sit on Facebook all day in the office. Since it's a whole new UI, the calls I'm sure will be flooding in to tech support, "Whar my kid's pictures, whar?" etc etc.


Hah. It's so very, very, true. I have people who still can't get a grasp on Windows 7, despite the fact they've been on it for a very, very long time. It was "too different" from XP. I can't imagine switching them to this interface. Their heads may actually explode, and I can't ask my network admins to clean up brains.

That said, this is not the worst disaster to befall computer land: Back when I helped out more with help desk type things, my absolute highest call volume ever was when Oprah had recommended some coupon printer program on her show to get something free (I don't remember the details). People who otherwise knew better all started apologetically calling me because they either "couldn't get their printer program to work" or because "they needed help ASAP!" I eventually had to send a corporate-wide e-mail saying, "No matter what Oprah says, the work computers are not for printing free coupons. Those of you without administrative rights will not get them to print free items. Please stop calling and/or logging help desk cases."

/back in the days before UAC, etc.
//still hate giving people administrative rights to this day, but I have to admit despite its downfalls, it makes business run a hell of a lot faster
///STILL a bad idea
////damned Windows!
//Damned shiatty programmers!
 
2012-10-31 04:24:14 PM
Once again, there's nothing wrong with Windows 8. It's FINE. It works FINE. Microsoft made a lot of small performance improvements that add up to something really nice, but they added Metro as well and Metro isn't that great.

On the other hand, from being a regular Windows 8 user for a few months I can tell you that I barely even see Metro. I might have a reason to flip back to it once a day. If it really bugged me, I'd install "Classic Start" and never worry about it again, but since I barely see it, it's not even worth messing around to change anything.
 
2012-10-31 04:24:51 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: You're the one who said you wouldn't buy it until they "fixed" it. I was rather on-point.

No, I didn't

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.

Yea, I know, it's pretty unusual to speculate on the path of a company's new product based on its prior performance with other, similar products.

Take your strawman and stuff it up your ass, troll.


LOL my strawman, hilarious. You're good fun. I have never done so little and seen someone lose his shiat.
 
2012-10-31 04:25:43 PM
COMPUTERS SIMPLIFY MY LIFE BY GIVING ME SOMETHING TO ARGUE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT!!!1!!1
 
2012-10-31 04:27:38 PM

LasersHurt: LOL my strawman, hilarious. You're good fun. I have never done so little and seen someone lose his shiat.


I've said it before and I'll say it again - I love browsing the tech threads and watching lasershurt be called an apple troll in one and a msft troll in the next. Good times.

/and shame on you for judging products based on their merits - let's pick a side and stick to it shall we?
 
2012-10-31 04:52:51 PM
Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.
 
2012-10-31 04:53:17 PM

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


So...you bought a new computer which implies its faster than your old computer and you're saying Windows 8 is much faster even though you haven't run Windows 7 on it as a comparison? Alright then.

/have no real issues with anyone using windows 8
//logic just bothered me
 
2012-10-31 04:55:16 PM
my biggest question: when not in a touch environment, just with a KBPD, why in the world do they not have things like the Charms, App Switcher and home button on screen all the time? maybe a top-or-bottom mounted fixed bar like in Mac OS X? Having to throw my cursor to the corner to unhide them, or to change apps or to go to the home screen is just really annoying. It works much nicer in a touch environment, but in KBPD? No way.
 
2012-10-31 04:56:07 PM

BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.


You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.
 
2012-10-31 04:56:13 PM
They're all getting up to speed so they'll know what harmless common error messages to lead you to in your event viewer to convince you to let them remotely login to your machine.
 
2012-10-31 05:00:42 PM

Ed Finnerty: BumpInTheNight: Meh the UI looks like ass and that outweighs any perceived or genuine performance advantages it might have over win7, I'm skipping this one.

You know, I'd upgrade for the lulz if it *actually* looked like ass.

Especially if the hole was the Recycle Bin.


Depends whose ass.
 
2012-10-31 05:05:32 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.


Oh, yeah? Well, I run XP unskinned (grey rectangles are so freakin in right now).

/hip
 
2012-10-31 05:09:18 PM

uttertosh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: The shiat-tastic and pointless UI aside, I find myself with the same question I had about Vista: why?

Even ignoring the fact you seem to think I spend my time giving my computer screen digital sexual pleasure and have created a UI on this basis, I see no reason to adopt. Windows 7 support will overlap with the majority of Windows 8's useful life, Windows 7 is more than adequate, and Windows 9, which will likely be little more than a fix to make Windows 8 do the things it was supposed to in the first place, will be released in the same time period.

No, no I think not. You keep your shiatty Vista Touch OS to yourself. I'll wait a few years until you fix it, thanks.

Oh, yeah? Well, I run XP unskinned (grey rectangles are so freakin in right now).

/hip


You're all sell-outs. I run Windows 3.1 On weed.
 
2012-10-31 05:11:18 PM

gingerjet: FTFA 300 apps developed at the recent AppFest organised by the company here are in the process of getting into the Windows Store.

facepalm.png

What this tells me is that the only way for people to write apps for the platform is to either pay developers or organize development events like this one in third world countries.

/the Android or iOS platforms aren't having this problem


You have to be shiatting us.. EVERYONE is going to develop apps for the system. *I* am going to develop apps for the system. There are going to be millions of people buying them, Im not missing a dirt easy development route to use existing skills and infrastructure to make money.
 
2012-10-31 05:13:28 PM
Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?
 
2012-10-31 05:20:34 PM

LasersHurt: MaudlinMutantMollusk: That POS isn't getting anywhere near my computer

How would you know it's a POS without using it?


There is the problem. I have friends who heard about something bad from some page click happy blogger on how bad it is.
/My 12 year old daughter has been running it(non touch dell laptop) for three days with no problem
 
2012-10-31 05:21:16 PM

BronyMedic: Recently bought a gaming laptop with it on there.

I'm actually loving it. It runs a hell of a lot smoother than windows 7 ever did.


That's saying something. Windows 7 was pretty damned good.

I'm finding the programs I use on the desktop are ones I pin to the task bar anyways, so I don't have to hunt for anything.
 
2012-10-31 05:21:58 PM

killro: Anyone here have a gaming rig with W8 and Steam on it?

I am curious to hear some farker tesimonials on how that is working out. I have been hearing a little back and forth on this fron from friends; "Its great, it runs really fast with good hardware and doesnt crash!" "Its terrible, its going to force you to use GFWL all the time!" Etc.

Anyone got some hands on 2 cents?


I've had zero problems running Steam on Windows 8 Pro.
 
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