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2012-10-31 11:36:04 AM
We know who is armed?
 
2012-10-31 11:38:29 AM
Nice try, subs, but it aint gonna work

0/10
 
2012-10-31 11:40:00 AM
If crime in your town is getting that bad that you need to openly carry to deter it, that's okay with me. St. Louis needs this.
 
2012-10-31 11:41:21 AM
Aren't open carry laws already on the books in a lot of states? Remember when people were showing up at all those Tea Party rallies carrying guns?
 
2012-10-31 11:42:27 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: We know who is armed?


Precisely.
 
2012-10-31 11:45:19 AM
I'll know exactly who to rape.
 
2012-10-31 11:47:24 AM

Bradog: Aren't open carry laws already on the books in a lot of states? Remember when people were showing up at all those Tea Party rallies carrying guns?


And remember when there were all thos shootings at the Tea Party rallies? Yeah, me neither. Give the criminals something to think about.
 
2012-10-31 11:52:59 AM
More people get to carry out the delusion that the US is somehow still the imaginary wild west of Clint Eastwood movies?
 
2012-10-31 11:54:00 AM
Much rather have open carry than concealed. If someone needs a pocket penis to feel better, let them display it to the world so we know the crazies to avoid
 
2012-10-31 11:55:23 AM

Teknowaffle: More people get to carry out the delusion that the US is somehow still the imaginary wild west of Clint Eastwood movies?


Or, people that feel threatened and intimidated by the people around them will be able to stand their ground.
 
2012-10-31 11:56:08 AM
I would much rather have people open carry than concealed. Concealed carry by everyone that paid the fee does nothing to improve safety, the act of carrying a firearm increase the chance of having another firearm pointed at them and having it hidden increases the chances of it going poorly. My rule is to avoid any place I think I need to carry a gun ( a few places in US cities that I never need to go to anyway) and if I really do have to go to a place a gun maybe realistically needed open carry is the best plan. If a person feels the need to carry, carry it in the open for the entire world to see, unless they are a woman than in a purse is just fine, it looks silly in a dress.
 
2012-10-31 11:56:23 AM

Eat More Possum: Much rather have open carry than concealed. If someone needs a pocket penis to feel better, let them display it to the world so we know the crazies to avoid


HEY MAN! Long time no see! How you doin'?!
 
2012-10-31 11:57:43 AM
We've got open carry here in PA, and it's so bad that the number of people you'll see doing it is right around zero.
 
2012-10-31 12:07:26 PM
Statistically, I think it will be unnoticable. There will be some shootings that wouldn't have taken place if guns weren't visible, and vice versa. I'd still be a lot more worried about getting T-boned by some idiot running a red light while yakking on the phone.

My biggest concern is that when people carry guns in congested places, accidents are more likely to result in an injury or death. The quality of holsters and the skill of the public varies quite widely, and the belt clip that works flawlessly on some guy's jeans may dump his handgun on the floor when he attaches it to a pair of dockers made of different fabric, different fit, and different belt. Unlike uniformed people who carry widely-adopted models of guns in holsters designed specifically for their clothing and activities, you could say this particular area doesn't seem to be as well-regulated.

I can honestly state that this will not affect my excitement at the prospect of going to Oklahoma one bit.
 
2012-10-31 12:16:52 PM
I've never understood why people want to carry around weapons like this. Almost every place of business out there has a 'no firearms' sign. I imagine it'd be annoying taking off your damned weapon and leaving it in your vehicle every time you wanted to walk into burger king, go grocery shopping, or do a quick stop at the bank.
 
2012-10-31 12:46:45 PM

Brick-House: Bradog: Aren't open carry laws already on the books in a lot of states? Remember when people were showing up at all those Tea Party rallies carrying guns?

And remember when there were all thos shootings at the Tea Party rallies? Yeah, me neither. Give the criminals something to think about.


My point was that plenty of states have always allowed open carry, so the Oklahoma law is nothing new.
 
2012-10-31 12:51:26 PM
Sounds like Darwinism.
 
2012-10-31 01:03:00 PM
Some dipshiat shoots himself in the foot/leg?
 
2012-10-31 01:03:11 PM

Cythraul: I've never understood why people want to carry around weapons like this. Almost every place of business out there has a 'no firearms' sign. I imagine it'd be annoying taking off your damned weapon and leaving it in your vehicle every time you wanted to walk into burger king, go grocery shopping, or do a quick stop at the bank.


yeah but you never know when you might get to shoot someone
 
2012-10-31 01:10:19 PM
Gun out good
Penis out bad.
 
2012-10-31 01:11:06 PM
We have open carry in Colorado. I can't say it makes a huge difference.

I'm not sure it makes a difference at all, actually.
 
2012-10-31 01:15:20 PM

Bradog: Brick-House: Bradog: Aren't open carry laws already on the books in a lot of states? Remember when people were showing up at all those Tea Party rallies carrying guns?

And remember when there were all thos shootings at the Tea Party rallies? Yeah, me neither. Give the criminals something to think about.

My point was that plenty of states have always allowed open carry, so the Oklahoma law is nothing new.


Virginia has had open carry codified into state law for almost a decade, although it was legal before that, just not explicitly defined. Liberals wet their pants about it before the law passed, and then this happened:

That's right, nothing happened. I think I've seen one guy in 8 years carrying. Most people just don't bother.
 
2012-10-31 01:22:37 PM

unlikely: We have open carry in Colorado. I can't say it makes a huge difference.

I'm not sure it makes a difference at all, actually.


I think you know what the problem is as well as I do - libs have made some very poor decisions recently and now want to work across the aisle to give us their complete assurance that things will be back to normal. We're not going to argue anymore - its Mitt's way or the highway - we have the greatest confidence and enthusiasm in the mission and we want to help all Americans starting with the struggling holster industry.

Let me put it this way, the Romney record on 2nd amendment rights is perhaps the most reliable. Allowing states to have the sovereignty to make gun laws as they see fit is by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.

/ Bishop takes Queen (Obama)
 
2012-10-31 01:36:46 PM
It's time to change your diaper, submitter.
 
2012-10-31 01:56:09 PM

Brick-House: And remember when there were all thos shootings at the Tea Party rallies? Yeah, me neither. Give the criminals something to think about.


Yes, let's arm all high school students. They're the picture of responsibility and calmness.
 
2012-10-31 01:58:34 PM

Elzar: I think you know what the problem is as well as I do


Can't say I even have a clue what you're talking about.

All I was saying was that in Colorado it does not appear that open carry poses any kind of problem.

Romney's record on 2nd amendment rights is "Sign an assault weapons ban" - I'm not sure that's the record you want to call reliable.

Is my sarcasm meter just fritzing?
 
2012-10-31 02:10:13 PM

Rev.K: Yes, let's arm all high school students.


That goalpost heavy? You sure do a good job packing it around.
 
2012-10-31 02:12:56 PM

unlikely: I'm not sure that's the record you want to call reliable.


Yeah, no one is really 'reliable' in this election. However, Obama is the only that still publically supports the ban on AWs.
 
2012-10-31 02:15:36 PM

HeadLever: That goalpost heavy? You sure do a good job packing it around.


Where lots of people have guns, no shootings occur. Correct?

Shootings occur at high schools in the United States with some frequency.

Therefore, arm high school students, stop shootings. Yes?
 
2012-10-31 02:21:28 PM
It will make no difference. In Wisconsin we've had open carry for decades and it was never an issue. Now that we finally became the 49th state to allow concealed carry, it still makes no difference.

Crime rate have nothing to do with people who actually follow the laws. 99+% of those who open carry or concealed carry with proper licensing tend to follow whatever law is put before them.

Criminals don't open carry, and when they concealed carry they're most likely violating probation already.
 
2012-10-31 02:33:47 PM

HeadLever: Obama is the only that still publically supports the ban on AWs.


Just a few weeks ago I saw Romney say that he didn't support any new legislation and that they were already illegal.

He happened to be wrong, but his comfort with believing their status to be "illegal" (no new legislation) tells me he's just as mercurial on that subject as he is on anything else. Romney has taken as many positions on this as there are available to take.

Neither of them is going to come after our guns. But saying the guy who has ALREADY SIGNED ONE BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS is your guy on the subject of guns is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.
 
2012-10-31 02:33:48 PM

Rev.K: Where lots of people have guns, no shootings occur.


Depends. At a battleground, lots of folks have guns and there is quite a bit of shooting going on. Other places like gun shows, many folks have guns but there are not many shootings. Kind of depends upon the intent of those that have guns.

Shootings occur at high schools in the United States with some frequency.

Shootings occur at all places with some frequency.

Therefore, arm high school students, stop shootings. Yes?

No. You just said that shootings occur at high schools in the US with some frequency. We could duduce that some of this would be done by armed high school students. Are you confused again?
 
2012-10-31 02:35:23 PM
And on the fun side of it, I got a bonus this quarter at work, paid off all my credit cards, and have exactly enough left over to get that Mossberg I've been thinking about.

JUST IN TIME FOR PUMPKINS TO GO ON SALE.

Oh yeah.
 
2012-10-31 02:36:58 PM

unlikely: Elzar: I think you know what the problem is as well as I do

Can't say I even have a clue what you're talking about.

All I was saying was that in Colorado it does not appear that open carry poses any kind of problem.

Romney's record on 2nd amendment rights is "Sign an assault weapons ban" - I'm not sure that's the record you want to call reliable.

Is my sarcasm meter just fritzing?


It can only be attributable to liberal error.
 
2012-10-31 02:37:28 PM

HeadLever: No. You just said that shootings occur at high schools in the US with some frequency. We could duduce that some of this would be done by armed high school students. Are you confused again?


I'll try again.

If we accept the idea that arming more people will discourage shootings, why aren't we arming high school students en masse, given that so many high school shootings have happened in the last 10-15 years?
 
2012-10-31 02:39:17 PM

unlikely: Just a few weeks ago I saw Romney say that he didn't support any new legislation and that they were already illegal.


Pretty sure he was referencing fully-auto weapons here (which he is still somewhat incorrect), and not Assault Weapons. There is a difference.

Neither of them is going to come after our guns.

I don't belive that they will 'come for our guns' in the technical sense, but I see Obama trying to renew the AWB similar to what he tried in 2009. During a lame duck presidency, I don't think that he would back away as quickly as he did in 2009.

/but you never know
 
2012-10-31 02:41:04 PM

unlikely: JUST IN TIME FOR PUMPKINS TO GO ON SALE.


Now that sounds like fun. For me it is my 6mm Rem and 204 ruger with a pumkin at about 300 to 400 yards.
 
2012-10-31 02:42:04 PM

Rev.K: why aren't we arming high school students en masse, given that so many high school shootings have happened in the last 10-15 years?


Again, my Colorado experience was that a lot of my classmates brought hunting rifles to school and it was safer (from a theft standpoint) to keep them in their lockers than in their cars. I took "Outdoor Rec" my sophomore year, and we had pistol and rifle as part of that. In the rifle range in the school's basement.

My school was always fairly heavily armed (by today's standards - we just thought of it as "school" and didn't give the guns much thought beyond our hunter safety cards), and the general levels of bullying, bad behavior, etc didn't appear to be dramatically lighter than they are for my sister's kids' schools today. I can't be sure on that last point; it is easier to see it when you attend the school than from my current not-even-close perspective. That's just what it sounds like from talking to the kids.
 
2012-10-31 02:46:03 PM

HeadLever: unlikely: JUST IN TIME FOR PUMPKINS TO GO ON SALE.

Now that sounds like fun. For me it is my 6mm Rem and 204 ruger with a pumkin at about 300 to 400 yards.


For that kind of range I have an old M1 Garand .30 - I can't hit lemons at that range but pumpkins are big. When the M1 was my Grandfather's, he used to drill little diagonal holes through the lead and they'd whistle this horrible high pitched screech while they flew - they sounded like star wars blasters turned up 2 octaves or something. I don't know how he did that and kept them accurate. When I try it they go all crazysauce and they don't whistle as well. Unfortunately the reason I have it now is the same reason I can't ask him to show me how to do it.
 
2012-10-31 02:46:03 PM

Rev.K: If we accept the idea that arming more people will discourage shootings,


Discurage? Possibly. Completly curtail? No.

Not to mention the likely increased accident rate if you force those to be armed that are uncomfortable around firearms.
 
2012-10-31 02:57:14 PM

unlikely: I can't hit lemons at that range but pumpkins are big.


Yep. Pretty easy to see as well. The 204 would be considered a super sniper rifle {*rollseyes*} by some and it will do pretty good on pumpkins out to 600 yards or so. Not much energy left at that range though. The 6mm is a standard Remmy 700 with the sporter barrel that will be maxed out at about 400 yards. Harder to hit the target, but makes a much bigger mess. Ok, I think that I know what I want to do this weekend now.

And cool story about the Gramps. I had one that was in the Army in WWII that has also passed away about 10 years ago.
 
2012-10-31 03:15:57 PM
I strongly support licensed concealed carry laws, but open carry is stupid in my opinion.
 
2012-10-31 04:01:01 PM

unlikely: Rev.K: why aren't we arming high school students en masse, given that so many high school shootings have happened in the last 10-15 years?

Again, my Colorado experience was that a lot of my classmates brought hunting rifles to school and it was safer (from a theft standpoint) to keep them in their lockers than in their cars. I took "Outdoor Rec" my sophomore year, and we had pistol and rifle as part of that. In the rifle range in the school's basement.



My school was always fairly heavily armed (by today's standards - we just thought of it as "school" and didn't give the guns much thought beyond our hunter safety cards), and the general levels of bullying, bad behavior, etc didn't appear to be dramatically lighter than they are for my sister's kids' schools today. I can't be sure on that last point; it is easier to see it when you attend the school than from my current not-even-close perspective. That's just what it sounds like from talking to the kids.


I live in CO and have seen a few open carries but most people do not give it a second look esp considering it is mostly national forest around here. I do not carry on my hikes but that has to do with weight and there is no brown bears around here. A good dog and a walking stick is all that a persons needs to walk around here anyway

I remember shooting at HS as well without any problems. There was a locker a weapon could be checked into but you still had to carry it in and most just left them in the car. The number of rural kids that brought guns to school to hunt afterwards was fairly large and problem free. My HS was in IL and the rural kids I know were in WI, the only weird part was in IL was the need FOI card even if you were only 12.
 
2012-10-31 04:28:12 PM
I bet there will be a lot of:

"Hey! Cool gun. Can I see it?"

"Sure thing.'

[BANG]

"Oops..."
 
2012-10-31 07:03:13 PM

Cythraul: I've never understood why people want to carry around weapons like this. Almost every place of business out there has a 'no firearms' sign. I imagine it'd be annoying taking off your damned weapon and leaving it in your vehicle every time you wanted to walk into burger king, go grocery shopping, or do a quick stop at the bank.


Actually here in Wisconsin it's more likely that it's allowed than unallowed, partially because of how the law places liability if you do post a no-weapons sign, but all in all there's a lot of places you can go. We've also had open carry for quite some time, and large numbers of open carry supporters for that matter, so they're not as uncommon as they may be in some other states.

For what it's worth, studies seem to show that violent crime in Wisconsin has decreased since concealed carry was implemented despite massive budget cuts in police forces which would logically lead to a reduction in services and an increase in violent crimes. Sample size is still small so it may be statistically indeterminate but we'll see.

/Got my permit. Carry when I feel I need to, stow it when I feel I don't, wouldn't be bothered carrying all day.
 
2012-10-31 08:06:19 PM

Rev.K: HeadLever: That goalpost heavy? You sure do a good job packing it around.

Where lots of people have guns, no shootings occur. Correct?

Shootings occur at high schools in the United States with some frequency.

Therefore, arm high school students, stop shootings. Yes?


Hey, Rev, Question:

Back when "The Patriot" was released, I was in California and went to see it. When the scene where the two brothers come running up the road, returning from hunting, carrying their flint-locks, appeared, there were gasps of shock and horror from some in the audience. I am not exaggerating. You would think the scene was snuff porn or something from the reaction.

Were you in that audience by any chance?
 
2012-10-31 10:46:33 PM

Rev.K: Yes, let's arm all high school students. They're the picture of responsibility and calmness.


Maroon!
 
2012-10-31 11:21:16 PM
Only 6 states (well 5 starting tomorrow) prohibit openly carrying a gun. Most you can freely openly carry a firearm or at least have a permit to do so, and there are a handful of states that have no laws about it either way and leaves it up to local law enforcement.

Also of note most states leave the final say up to private citizen so just because there is a state law saying you can openly carry a side arm a business owner can prohibit the practice.
 
2012-11-01 03:59:59 AM
sadly all the gun owning / toting twatwaffles don't have the stones to put those firearms to good use. there are innocent people dying every week and kids shooting other kids. stupid stupid stupid.

when people start getting all Death Wish / Boondock Saints / French Revolution i'll frickin' stand up, cheer and buy you a beer. until then screw the whole lot of you raccoon murdering wimps.
 
2012-11-01 10:32:47 AM
Open carry? OK.
Also, people around the country have been doing this for a while:
Here are some vids from NH of people doing Open Carry Litter Pickup
 
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