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(Newsday)   Gov. Cuomo: "There has been a series of extreme weather incidents. That is not a political statement. That is a factual statement. Anyone who says there's not a dramatic change in weather patterns, I think is denying reality"   (newsday.com) divider line 20
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2012-10-31 01:35:41 PM
4 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: Is this man made? I really don't give a crap. It's here and it's real. And it's going to fark us up. Plan and adapt, or die.


Chris Hayes summed it up yesterday.

Whether climate changed "caused" Sandy isn't the point. The point is a) carbon emissions are producing a climate with more extreme weather

- Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 30, 2012

b) with more extreme weather will come more extreme weather events *like Sandy* c) extreme weather events will disrupt our lives

- Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 30, 2012

<con't> and cause tremendous economic damage, death and human misery. We are presently doing essentially nothing to prepare for this

- Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 30, 2012

The scale of what needs to change is mind-boggling: a) re-engineering infrastructure b) revolutionizing our energy sources and transmission

- Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 30, 2012

And yet our elites and the beltway are *obsessed* with the nation's budget projections for 2050 (!) and say almost nothing about this threat

- Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 30, 2012
2012-10-31 04:17:34 PM
3 votes:
*sigh*

Weather isn't climate. Just because we have a few weird storms now and then doesn't mean a thing. "Frankenstorm" Sandy means nothing--during the depths of the Little Ice Age they had record heat waves and killer droughts, one of which set up the Great Fire of London. Sandy was a strange confluence of a tropical storm and a cold nor'easter coming together. That's weather.

Climate is different. Climate is what makes weather. As the climate changes globally, it may or may not impact the weather locally--but what it does do is change things long-term. There MAY be more intense storms, or there may not; but what there will be for sure is things like shorter growing seasons, or extended periods of drought or rain, or decades where winters are a couple of degrees colder than they have been. Those are things we need to worry about, not occasional bad storms or more tornadoes than usual. One or two very cold winters are not bad; a couple of Cat 5 hurricanes are not bad. What IS bad is ten years in a row when the snow pack melts in mid-January instead of mid-February, and then the runoff is gone in May instead of June; then there's no water for irrigation by August and farmers lose the third wheat crop; then food prices go up. THAT is why climate change is a problem. Or if the permafrost in Canada starts to thaw, and we get a huge influx of mosquitoes, and we start seeing West Nile virus moving north.

Not these storms. Weather isn't a problem Climate is.
2012-10-31 03:58:26 PM
3 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Um, odd weather events like this are rare. But not unprecedented.

In 1703, a hurricane hit the UK full-force.

The "little ice age" was still going on. We don't have a perfect understanding of these things and how they work. We're getting better, but saying that these things are a result of Man's Evil Capitalist Ways is pretty much the same as the reactions in 1703 (we have offended the Lord). There's no calculation to point to, just a feeling.


^^^^^^A Major Part of the Problem^^^^^
2012-10-31 04:00:21 PM
2 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Um, odd weather events like this are rare. But not unprecedented.

In 1703, a hurricane hit the UK full-force.

The "little ice age" was still going on. We don't have a perfect understanding of these things and how they work. We're getting better, but saying that these things are a result of Man's Evil Capitalist Ways is pretty much the same as the reactions in 1703 (we have offended the Lord). There's no calculation to point to, just a feeling.


You a farking moron, and people like you are going to get all of us killed.

fark you.
2012-10-31 03:59:43 PM
2 votes:
A friend of mine who lives in NYC posted this on Facebook this morning:

This is absolutely climate change. How can a child who is not even two years old already have been through two hurricanes in NYC?
2012-10-31 03:54:38 PM
2 votes:
Um, odd weather events like this are rare. But not unprecedented.

In 1703, a hurricane hit the UK full-force.

The "little ice age" was still going on. We don't have a perfect understanding of these things and how they work. We're getting better, but saying that these things are a result of Man's Evil Capitalist Ways is pretty much the same as the reactions in 1703 (we have offended the Lord). There's no calculation to point to, just a feeling.
2012-10-31 01:26:07 PM
2 votes:
[HERO]
2012-11-02 12:19:32 AM
1 votes:

beta_plus: Because NYC being hit by a Hurricane is unprecedented.

OMG! There's bad weather - it's da global warming!

/maybe if stupid people didn't build cities on barrier islands you wouldn't have this problem.


Maybe if even stupider (yes I said it) people stopped farking up the environment and making climate change worse, there might not even be a problem.
"Why don't you just move?"... the questionable mindset of cowards who would rather run away like little b*tches than solve the farking problems they created. 

As was explained earlier in the thread... it's not that severe weather events are happening, it's that they're happening more often. More droughts, more blizzards, more hurricanes, more huge storms, more floods, more dumbasses who don't believe until it's too farking late.
2012-10-31 05:49:46 PM
1 votes:

StoneColdAtheist: Climate change is serious enough as it is without stretching it to include such ordinary but infrequent events as Sandy. Doing so just undermines real science in general and climate science in particular.


Great.

Then it should be easy for you to find either a statement from the IPCC or from some other credible scientific source that backs up your contention.

We'll wait.
2012-10-31 04:22:37 PM
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: ...or the sunspots disappear for a century starting five years from now and we have to worry about cold. The point is: we don't know. The Earth is complex. So is the Sun. We're getting a LOT better at figuring them out, but we've got a long way to go with both.


Except there's no serious scientific evidence to suggest that's going on at all. You may as well blame it on gamma ray bursts. We understand the climate enough to understand that it's getting warmer AND that it's our fault. I might agree that we can't know beyond that just what it means, precisely how the environment will react and for how long it will change, but change it will.

And we're pretty comfortable with what we've got now. To pretend otherwise is just an attempt to justify doing nothing.
2012-10-31 04:22:31 PM
1 votes:
Seriously though, the people who say there's not enough evidence yet annoy me more than the people who ignore the evidence and stick with their bibles. The latter are admitting to being ignorant rubes, while the former claim to want to conform to the rules of evidence but don't actually do so.

At least the second group is honest.
2012-10-31 04:06:49 PM
1 votes:
Because NYC being hit by a Hurricane is unprecedented.

OMG! There's bad weather - it's da global warming!

/maybe if stupid people didn't build cities on barrier islands you wouldn't have this problem.
2012-10-31 04:06:33 PM
1 votes:
If we'd only listen to enviroalarmists, we could have an unvarying climate for the rest of eternity. Yet here we sit, not allowing them the authority to restructure the economy and all of society to attain this end. Tragic.
2012-10-31 04:06:04 PM
1 votes:

Evil High Priest: JohnAnnArbor: Um, odd weather events like this are rare. But not unprecedented.

In 1703, a hurricane hit the UK full-force.

The "little ice age" was still going on. We don't have a perfect understanding of these things and how they work. We're getting better, but saying that these things are a result of Man's Evil Capitalist Ways is pretty much the same as the reactions in 1703 (we have offended the Lord). There's no calculation to point to, just a feeling.

You a farking moron, and people like you are going to get all of us killed.

fark you.


No you a farking moron!

//see what I did there?
2012-10-31 04:05:24 PM
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Facts? Or just invective?


You're the one ignoring the bulk of scientific consensus.

Yeah it isn't science, it's a "feeling." That's an insult to intelligence, and you deserve what's coming to you here.
2012-10-31 03:58:34 PM
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: but saying that these things are a result of Man's Evil Capitalist Ways


We are saying that. You got a problem with it?
2012-10-31 03:58:33 PM
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Um, odd weather events like this are rare. But not unprecedented.

In 1703, a hurricane hit the UK full-force.

The "little ice age" was still going on. We don't have a perfect understanding of these things and how they work. We're getting better, but saying that these things are a result of Man's Evil Capitalist Ways is pretty much the same as the reactions in 1703 (we have offended the Lord). There's no calculation to point to, just a feeling.


Way to miss the point.

It's not that we're having the most extreme weather ever... it's that we're having extreme weather a lot more often.
2012-10-31 03:50:35 PM
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: PC LOAD LETTER: Is this man made? I really don't give a crap. It's here and it's real. And it's going to fark us up. Plan and adapt, or die.

Chris Hayes summed it up yesterday:


In non-obnoxious, untweetified format:
Whether climate changed "caused" Sandy isn't the point. The point is
a) carbon emissions are producing a climate with more extreme weather
b) with more extreme weather will come more extreme weather events *like Sandy*
c) extreme weather events will disrupt our lives and cause tremendous economic damage, death and human misery. We are presently doing essentially nothing to prepare for this

The scale of what needs to change is mind-boggling: a) re-engineering infrastructure b) revolutionizing our energy sources and transmission And yet our elites and the beltway are *obsessed* with the nation's budget projections for 2050 (!) and say almost nothing about this threat
-Christopher Hayes October 30, 2012 via twitter

/I know it's an amazing technology, STOP
//but god damnit do I find the telegraph style communication annoying STOP
///We need to define a notation for referencing tweets STOP
////Preferably one that doesn't look so much like... twitter. STOP
2012-10-31 01:46:22 PM
1 votes:
The extreme right wing denying reality?

That would certainly be a new event that was unforeseeable and unprecedented.
2012-10-31 01:32:38 PM
1 votes:
Is this man made? I really don't give a crap. It's here and it's real. And it's going to fark us up. Plan and adapt, or die.
 
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