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2012-10-31 03:21:20 PM
Um No, you can Blow me.
/same like asking non authoriaed HR questions during interview process....
//Do you take it up the butt? Do you blow dead bear? Why are there double rainbows? Are you going to share that crack or just hog the pipe?
 
2012-10-31 03:21:33 PM
Give your your?
 
2012-10-31 03:21:38 PM
hedline hertz mai branez
 
2012-10-31 03:22:47 PM
whatistheexcel.com

Feed. My. MORE!
 
2012-10-31 03:22:55 PM
The legislators with properly secured Facebook accounts probably realized what would happen if their employers had the passwords.
 
2012-10-31 03:23:40 PM
Drinking a little early, eh?
 
2012-10-31 03:24:41 PM

DeadGeek: Give your your?


whoops

/ subby
// this is my second in a long line of failed attempts. I tried the grammatical mistake approach to ensure a greenlight.
/// not really, I just dropped the ball, but now my failure has been reinforced by fark.
 
2012-10-31 03:25:17 PM
Read the fine print on your employment / scholarship / whatever form you are signing. That way; you can say; Oh hai, contact no binding
 
2012-10-31 03:26:56 PM
I can't believe this wasn't met with immediate rage from the "OMG GOVT INTRUSION BREAK OUT THE TEA BAG TRICORNERS WE ARE REVOLTING" crowd.
 
2012-10-31 03:28:22 PM
"Many universities require students to let officials access their social media,"

I haven't been a student at a university in a decade, back before social media existed, but if that's true, that's insane.

They probably accuse you of lying if you don't have one (I don't have a Facebook.) F that.
 
2012-10-31 03:29:03 PM
It's real simple, just do what most people on Fark do and create alternate accounts! Use the email address you're going to give employers/schools, friend no one (or just your family). Make sure to put as much identifying information about yourself to throw people off the trail. Maybe "like" your city or your school.
 
2012-10-31 03:29:10 PM

pute kisses like a man: DeadGeek: Give your your?

whoops

/ subby
// this is my second in a long line of failed attempts. I tried the grammatical mistake approach to ensure a greenlight.
/// not really, I just dropped the ball, but now my failure has been reinforced by fark.


Props on the green, dude.

/without a comma that would have been a wierd Grinch reference.
 
2012-10-31 03:29:33 PM
What password? What cell phone? Go ahead and try to prove it is mine. Oh your going to scan for them, that is a FCC violation.
 
2012-10-31 03:30:15 PM
Obviously this is big government stepping on the freedoms of independent job creators.
 
2012-10-31 03:30:37 PM
It's good to hear they're still squawking about this, there aren't any other issues going on that I'm concerned with.
 
2012-10-31 03:31:07 PM
HERO tag busy today?
 
2012-10-31 03:32:04 PM
I will never hand over any password due to password reuse and reshuffling. In the past decade I have used three passwords based on how serious a breach would be. My FARK password is six letters that can be typed in with one hand. Facebook and a few other things involve two hands. Anything financial get's a 133t s93@& password that I'm lucky if I get right.

Correct horse battery staple. If only.
 
2012-10-31 03:33:56 PM
Where are the people who were arguing with me earlier this year that employers weren't asking for these passwords. I said then it was happening with people we did work for, even had a detective flag anything that could be suspicious. Hate it but they pay their bills early most months and my bosses like that part.

I tell one friend who was getting a job there, just make another one that's for professional use and keep the other one for personal use, just don't get drunk and post to the wrong account.
 
2012-10-31 03:34:09 PM
Uhh.... privacy schmivacy -- Facebook's Terms of Service prohibit you from giving anyone else your password.

Suck it, petty tyrants.
 
2012-10-31 03:34:56 PM

wildcardjack: I will never hand over any password due to password reuse and reshuffling. In the past decade I have used three passwords based on how serious a breach would be. My FARK password is six letters that can be typed in with one hand. Facebook and a few other things involve two hands. Anything financial get's a 133t s93@& password that I'm lucky if I get right.

Correct horse battery staple. If only.


I think its safe to say the other hand can remain silent.
 
2012-10-31 03:35:29 PM
savvybrain.com
 
2012-10-31 03:37:13 PM
I've never understood that whole thing.

Boss/School: "Give us your [whatever] password."
You: "I'm sorry, I can't do that. Firstly, it would be against the terms of service agreement I have with [whatever]. Secondly, how could you possibly trust me to maintain the secrecy of [this organization]'s passwords if I so easily reveal those of other agencies?"
 
2012-10-31 03:41:01 PM
So where are the republicans and Romney's condemnation of this bill?
 
2012-10-31 03:42:21 PM

Thisbymaster: What password? What cell phone? Go ahead and try to prove it is mine. Oh your going to scan for them, that is a FCC violation.


Pfffft

You don't have a brain


;-)
 
2012-10-31 03:42:57 PM
He ain't giving out no password!

pandodaily.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-31 03:43:04 PM
how about a law against urinalysis?
 
2012-10-31 03:43:53 PM
while I'm happy that some states are trying to enact protections for student and employee privacy, it still disturbs me to no end that this ever happened. who on earth would have thought that demanding people's passwords was ok?

it's sad that in order to justify the law, they can't just say, dude, that shiat is whack. they have to go on to say, these protections are important to prevent the employer from obtaining unlawful demographic and religious info, etc. 

/ can't wait for the law, case, or decision that cites as its authority, "dude, that shiat is whack". maybe it will be me, the day before I lose my license.
 
2012-10-31 03:44:03 PM
Are the HR types going to chime in on how they need to see my pictures from 6 years ago and use it to justify hiring me? God forbid someone in the background shows a sliver of a cup that may or may not have beer in it
 
2012-10-31 03:45:29 PM

pute kisses like a man: who on earth would have thought that demanding people's passwords was ok?


The same people that ask you what your religion is when hiring people.
 
2012-10-31 03:45:46 PM

PawisBetlog: I can't believe this wasn't met with immediate rage from the "OMG GOVT INTRUSION BREAK OUT THE TEA BAG TRICORNERS WE ARE REVOLTING" crowd.


This is precisely the sort of thing government *SHOULD* be doing. And I say that as someone rather sympathetic to the TEA party movement.

Not having had to interview for a job in the last 10+ years, this has never been an issue I've had to confront, but I'd like to think that if I were asked for the password to my Facebook/Fark/whatever social media* sites, I'd answer something like this:

"No, you may not have them. First, it's an intrusion into my personal life, and if you can't recognize that there is a line between business and personal life, then I certainly don't want to work for you. Second, it violates the terms of service I agreed to for those sites. Third, someone who is willing to give up that information to you for a job is probably also going to be willing to give your business information to someone else for a slightly better job, or even just some extra cash. Is that the type of employee you want?

This is non-negotiable. If you ask again, this interview is over. Remember, you aren't just interviewing me, I'm also interviewing you."

I have said "No, thank you" to job offers before, but I've been a tad more polite about it, though one time I did kind of snicker when they mentioned salary. I never was good at poker.
 
2012-10-31 03:50:01 PM
Wouldn't inducing someone to violate the TOS of an internet service be a DMCA violation? Or one of those stupid acronym laws?
 
2012-10-31 03:51:14 PM

Aar1012: Are the HR types going to chime in on how they need to see my pictures from 6 years ago and use it to justify hiring me? God forbid someone in the background shows a sliver of a cup that may or may not have beer in it


Yeah, we'll be subjected to long rants on how they, as HR, constitute an important level of protection against people who posted five year old party pics from college on their Facebook page.

/Privacy settings + "Eat shiat"
 
2012-10-31 03:53:15 PM

Bschott007: So where are the republicans and Romney's condemnation of this bill?


I wonder if you see the irony in that the biggest offenders mentioned are very liberal institutions (the article uses examples of colleges, universities and public schools almost exclusively). Yes, the headline says "Boss" but the only non-school, non-government example cited to oppose it was the Maryland chamber of commerce...and that opposition sounded pretty pro forma.

So, to recap, the folks demanding access to personal and private social media comms tend to pride themselves on being the bastions of liberal thought and dogma. Kinda like what happened in the Kelo case for property rights. This issue isn't so much politics as ideologies and the folks you tried to lampoon tend to be the ones for more personal freedoms and less external (normally "government") infringement.
 
2012-10-31 03:53:17 PM
To be fair.... even if they demanded I turn over my password - I make passwords like "l8reki0943fdpdc" so I couldn't tell them if my life depended on it. I store it locally on my home computer and cut and paste when I need it. Also.... I shut down my facebook account long ago - too much drama and app spam - I have better things to do with my time.

Yes - like posting on Fark :)
 
2012-10-31 03:53:26 PM
"Ah, and we'll be needing your social media login information, so we can glance over things and make sure you'll be a good fit with the company."

"Thank you for the opportunity, but I see no reason to waste any more of either of our time. I have better things to do, and I'm sure you do to. Good bye."


... I mean, really ... I get it, times are tough. But they're not that tough. Any interviewer that can ask that with a straight face and not at least look away, clearly shamed, has balls of steal. Would you really want a job with a company that keeps policies like that? Ugh.
 
2012-10-31 03:55:48 PM
Swingline Horse Battery Stapler

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2012-10-31 03:56:46 PM

wildcardjack: My FARK password is six letters that can be typed in with one hand.


fapfap?
 
2012-10-31 03:58:16 PM

blatz514: He ain't giving out no password!

[pandodaily.files.wordpress.com image 850x525]


BOSCO!
 
2012-10-31 03:58:57 PM

craig328: Bschott007: So where are the republicans and Romney's condemnation of this bill?

I wonder if you see the irony in that the biggest offenders mentioned are very liberal institutions (the article uses examples of colleges, universities and public schools almost exclusively). Yes, the headline says "Boss" but the only non-school, non-government example cited to oppose it was the Maryland chamber of commerce...and that opposition sounded pretty pro forma.

So, to recap, the folks demanding access to personal and private social media comms tend to pride themselves on being the bastions of liberal thought and dogma. Kinda like what happened in the Kelo case for property rights. This issue isn't so much politics as ideologies and the folks you tried to lampoon tend to be the ones for more personal freedoms and less external (normally "government") infringement.


Which schools were mentioned in the article?
 
2012-10-31 03:59:55 PM

wildcardjack: My FARK password is six letters that can be typed in with one hand


Because you never know when you're gonna get your balls stuck in the slats of the chair your totalfarking in late at night.

/oldskool
 
2012-10-31 04:00:13 PM
I work in healthcare. One of our nursing staff was just given walking papers for texting, updating FB, etc. during work hours. Person was using smartphone, and claimed it was just a series of coincidences that patients were not being cared for at the exact same time. I'm glad I don't use FB. But, what I do on my own time is not any of your business, boss. Go away.
 
2012-10-31 04:00:20 PM
Response: why are you requesting that? Your answer will determine if I simply walk out of the interview or consider legal action.

The only answer I could accept is: "It is an idiot test. If someone actually provides the PW we don't hire them."
 
2012-10-31 04:01:44 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Swingline Horse Battery Stapler


But the correct one is a Skill craft.
 
2012-10-31 04:02:17 PM
They are just doing what ther're told.
 
2012-10-31 04:03:59 PM
Create a throwaway email address.

Make a second Facebook profile (same name, even post a pic if you want)

Anytime someone asks, say "Oh, I signed up for an account years ago, I never use it though" and give them the dummy account.

Also inflates the number of users on Facebook so that you can create more millionaires.

-Grim
 
2012-10-31 04:04:17 PM

Mock26: wildcardjack: My FARK password is six letters that can be typed in with one hand.

fapfap?


How big is your hand?
 
2012-10-31 04:11:15 PM

xelnia: Mock26: wildcardjack: My FARK password is six letters that can be typed in with one hand.

fapfap?

How big is your hand?


hey, on my 17" laptop I can touch the z and p or the q and m with one hand. I'z gotz BIIIIGG HAAAANNDDSSS.

/Choke a biatch etc
 
2012-10-31 04:11:55 PM

pute kisses like a man: while I'm happy that some states are trying to enact protections for student and employee privacy, it still disturbs me to no end that this ever happened. who on earth would have thought that demanding people's passwords was ok?


LOL

It's been like that for over 15 years now. When I was in middle school we all knew we checked all our constitutional rights at the front door of the school.

Now of course, this is the exact opposite of the truth of the matter legally, but it was the reality.

No freedom of speech in school. The teacher decides the subject and if you are off topic, principals office.

No freedom to own a firearm? Duh.

Quartering of troops? Well we did have assigned seating.

Right to privacy? Open your backpack right now or you're suspended.

Right not to incriminate yourself? Enjoy your suspension.

Right to a speedy trial by jury for crimes with the right to confront your accused? Principal and teachers were judge and jury. So much for peers, or confronting witnesses.

Right to jury trial when dispute is over more than $20? You have no right to trial.

No excessive bail? School has no bail system

Amendments 9 and 10 don't really apply.
 
2012-10-31 04:13:19 PM

Grimthorn: Create a throwaway email address.

Make a second Facebook profile (same name, even post a pic if you want)

Anytime someone asks, say "Oh, I signed up for an account years ago, I never use it though" and give them the dummy account.


Get fired for not being social enough.
 
2012-10-31 04:13:23 PM

Mock26: craig328: Bschott007: So where are the republicans and Romney's condemnation of this bill?

I wonder if you see the irony in that the biggest offenders mentioned are very liberal institutions (the article uses examples of colleges, universities and public schools almost exclusively). Yes, the headline says "Boss" but the only non-school, non-government example cited to oppose it was the Maryland chamber of commerce...and that opposition sounded pretty pro forma.

So, to recap, the folks demanding access to personal and private social media comms tend to pride themselves on being the bastions of liberal thought and dogma. Kinda like what happened in the Kelo case for property rights. This issue isn't so much politics as ideologies and the folks you tried to lampoon tend to be the ones for more personal freedoms and less external (normally "government") infringement.

Which schools were mentioned in the article?


i think boss was more relevant.

delaware passed a bill for university privacy, while both illinois and maryland passed bills for employee privacy. that's two states against one. and 90% of delaware's citizenry are corporations anyways (jk, juridical personhood does not work that way).

plus, they are very different arguments. the university issue involves privacy issues with precious snowflakes who can't take care of themselves, while the employee issue involves privacy issues and circumventing federal labor laws. 

courts have already confessed that they don't think kids get all the same rights as people. so, let's start the argument for people, and work back to children. always start with the easy argument first, then use that as precedent to win the harder argument.
 
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