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(ESPN)   Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson says Michael Vick is still an elite quarterback. In other news, Webster has changed the definition of "elite" to "mediocre"   (espn.go.com) divider line 118
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2012-10-31 03:30:49 PM

Tango_down: How can you be so good against Washington and then just farking suck so hard the last three week?! losing to the browns? Miami? fark the steelers


Those three teams are probably better than Washington. Yes, I know Cleveland has one less win than Washington.
 
2012-10-31 03:30:56 PM

Killer Cars: roc6783: O-Line Rankings from Football Outsiders through Week 7

Arizona's adjusted sack rate: 11.6%

Holy Shiat.


Ya, they're real bad.

MugzyBrown: Link

Vick is statistically one of the worst QBs in getting rid of the ball, ranked 28th in long sacks - 3+ seconds.


Rodgers is even worse at 32. HAHA....sniffle, sniffle.
 
2012-10-31 03:48:53 PM

iron_city_ap: Just because the other rookies are playing well doesn't mean Foles will.


I'm not saying he will, I'm just saying that there's no reason to think he won't play well (and they're giving up on the season) simply because he's a rookie. The rest we agree on. Sticking with Vick virtually guarantees that you're, at best, going to get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, and even that is unlikely.
 
2012-10-31 03:54:49 PM
The comment war about this was good trollsome fun. Sometimes it's great to go slumming and post on ESPNs comments.
 
2012-10-31 03:59:05 PM

IAmRight: iron_city_ap: Just because the other rookies are playing well doesn't mean Foles will.

I'm not saying he will, I'm just saying that there's no reason to think he won't play well (and they're giving up on the season) simply because he's a rookie. The rest we agree on. Sticking with Vick virtually guarantees that you're, at best, going to get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, and even that is unlikely.


the sunday night crew (dan patrick, tony dungy, rodney harrison) addressed this very issue. rodney was all for letting foles have a shot because so many rookies are proving themselves this year. dungy shot it down with, "what is reid seeing in practice and the preseason that says he's ready? i going with not enough to come to the decisions yet." that's paraphrased but the gist of it. i'll side with coach on this one. if he was ready he wouldve gotten more time anyway in situations that needed a pure qb role.
 
2012-10-31 04:04:08 PM

Wittenberg Dropout: The comment war about this was good trollsome fun. Sometimes it's great to go slumming and post on ESPNs comments.


None greater than the >Tebow one(s) though.
 
2012-10-31 04:22:14 PM

roc6783: Wittenberg Dropout: The comment war about this was good trollsome fun. Sometimes it's great to go slumming and post on ESPNs comments.

None greater than the >Tebow one(s) though.


Dude, I wish Timmy was on a team that started him. Last year's comments wars were the best ever. This year is kind of a let down.
 
2012-10-31 07:49:38 PM
"Elite" applies here. How many other quarterbacks can say that they've run a friggin' dog-fighting ring? Can't be a large group - sounds "elite" to me.
 
2012-10-31 11:45:55 PM

roc6783: NFL QBs by Tier - Within each tier, there is no particular order as they are all replacement level for each other. The list is restricted to QBs that have qualified for ESPN's QBR. Also, these categories can easily change from season to season, ie if Matt Ryan wins a SB, he jumps to top level.

Elites:
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
P. Manning

Top Level:
E. Manning
Roethlisberger

Have the numbers, have the talent, but haven't won a SB:
Ryan
Smith
Cutler
Schaub
Stafford
Rivers
Flacco
Romo

Are who we thought they were, and it ain't good:
Vick
Fitzpatrick
Bradford
Sanchez
Palmer
Freeman
Cassel
Hasselbeck

Getting close to put up or shut up time:
Locker
Newton
Dalton
Ponder
Yo Gabba Gabbert
Kolb/Skelton

Rookies don't count:
Weeden
Wilson
Luck
RG3
Tannehill


He's got an excuse -- Norv Turner is his coach.
 
2012-10-31 11:56:19 PM

This Looks Fun: Also, wow my list is probably the most unintentionally racist thing I've done in a while.


Hard to beat a guy up when he calls out his own errors! I LOLd. Was thinking the same thing when I read the post. Not that I disagreed!
 
2012-11-01 09:10:37 AM

The Flexecutioner: "what is reid seeing in practice and the preseason that says he's ready? i going with not enough to come to the decisions yet." that's paraphrased but the gist of it. i'll side with coach on this one. if he was ready he wouldve gotten more time anyway in situations that needed a pure qb role.


lol @ people acting as though all personnel decisions are based on who is actually better.

BTW, in preseason (yeah, it doesn't count): "Foles completed 40 of 63 pass attempts for 553 yards with six touchdowns and two interceptions during the preseason." Nothing about that says "can't hang."
 
2012-11-01 09:12:56 AM
BTW, that works out to a passer rating of 110+.

Again, yes, preseason. But it shows that the "well, maybe he didn't show anything in preseason or practice" argument is horsesh*t. I don't know why anyone thinks that Andy Reid is capable of good personnel decisions in this one case when he's pretty much shown himself to suck at it for years.
 
2012-11-01 11:21:07 AM

IAmRight: BTW, that works out to a passer rating of 110+.

Again, yes, preseason. But it shows that the "well, maybe he didn't show anything in preseason or practice" argument is horsesh*t. I don't know why anyone thinks that Andy Reid is capable of good personnel decisions in this one case when he's pretty much shown himself to suck at it for years.


He's very good at drafting running backs to not use.
 
2012-11-01 01:27:30 PM
Shocking, a football player tried to protect a teammate. Most stunning development in the history of ever!
 
2012-11-01 02:01:46 PM

IAmRight: The Flexecutioner: "what is reid seeing in practice and the preseason that says he's ready? i going with not enough to come to the decisions yet." that's paraphrased but the gist of it. i'll side with coach on this one. if he was ready he wouldve gotten more time anyway in situations that needed a pure qb role.

lol @ people acting as though all personnel decisions are based on who is actually better.

BTW, in preseason (yeah, it doesn't count): "Foles completed 40 of 63 pass attempts for 553 yards with six touchdowns and two interceptions during the preseason." Nothing about that says "can't hang."


again, i'll trust the former NFL coach with a ring who's known andy reid for 20 years versus the blathering forum guy with no argument.

/lol
 
2012-11-01 03:10:06 PM

The Flexecutioner: again, i'll trust the former NFL coach with a ring who's known andy reid for 20 years versus the blathering forum guy with no argument.


Dungy's QB system is "work for a team that already has a likely HoFer as the QB and you'll look good." Also "Face Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl and you have a good shot of winning."

I don't think Reid has that option right now.
 
2012-11-01 04:42:37 PM

IAmWrong: The Flexecutioner: again, i'll trust the former NFL coach with a ring who's known andy reid for 20 years versus the blathering forum guy with no argument.

Dungy's QB system is "work for a team that already has a likely HoFer as the QB and you'll look good." Also "Face Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl and you have a good shot of winning."

I don't think Reid has that option right now.


Remember when Dungy was one of the guys who really got behind Vick while he was in prison and tried to help him get through his trials and tribulations? Remember when he helped him redefine his position in life and get through the interviews and public hate and outcries? That guy knows more about Vick and Reid and their QB situation than any of our silly assumptions. Again, I'm going with his assessment of the situation over yours.
 
2012-11-02 09:42:17 AM

The Flexecutioner: Remember when Dungy was one of the guys who really got behind Vick while he was in prison and tried to help him get through his trials and tribulations? Remember when he helped him redefine his position in life and get through the interviews and public hate and outcries? That guy knows more about Vick and Reid and their QB situation than any of our silly assumptions. Again, I'm going with his assessment of the situation over yours.


Okay, can't tell if serious...

/because that would obviously be a reason that he'd be an extremely biased source and unlikely to know anything about anyone on that roster BUT Vick
 
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