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(The Hill)   Prime Minister of Bizarro World Benjamin Netanyahu says that an Israeli strike on Iran would calm the Arab world   (thehill.com ) divider line
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2012-10-31 08:27:40 AM  
The Arab world? Maybe. Since it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians. The Middle East? Eeeh, not so much.
 
2012-10-31 09:27:04 AM  
A strike of what? Kittens? Prozac? Tribbles?
 
2012-10-31 09:49:14 AM  
**nothelping.jpg**
 
2012-10-31 09:51:19 AM  
Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.
 
2012-10-31 09:53:02 AM  
Only if they can wipeout the entire theocracy over there.

Leave the students, they're cool.
 
2012-10-31 09:53:03 AM  
Fausts Fist

Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.


You know who I slowly come to suspect of not having any love for both?
 
2012-10-31 09:53:08 AM  
DIAF, Bibi. And take your party with you.
 
2012-10-31 09:53:17 AM  
Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!
 
2012-10-31 09:53:43 AM  
Calm them in the "ok guys, let's stop yelling and seriously just exterminate Israel" sense?

Who knows, the "this is an outrage" crowd is irrational so trying to predict their behavior is impossible.
 
2012-10-31 09:54:03 AM  
Not sure he's thought his plan all the way through.
 
2012-10-31 09:54:44 AM  
Once those Arabs see what nukes do up close and personal, they'll be calm, all right.
 
2012-10-31 09:54:47 AM  

Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.


Shhhhhh, you are disturbing subbys imaginary world where jews are the root of all evil.
 
2012-10-31 09:55:44 AM  
Mebbe.

Depends on who hates whom the most.

Doesn't mean it is moral or wise. Saturation bombing with strategic nukes would also calm the world. And to be fair to everybody, I've always thought that abortion should be mandatory and universal. It would be a great world-calmer, to say the least. It has to be universal, or otherwise, to quote Kryten in "Tikka to Ride", one of my favourite Red Dwarf episodes, "you're just picking on the chickens".
 
2012-10-31 09:56:06 AM  

danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!


Well yeah, if people start talking shiat on the Arabs then we've got multiple semetic groups being insulted. Granted a significant proportion of Israeli Jews aren't actually ethnically semitic, so I think we should all settle on a more specific word.
 
2012-10-31 09:56:11 AM  
Everyone's waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Iran doesn't exactly project stability. Who really wants them to have nukes?
 
2012-10-31 09:56:47 AM  

Joe Blowme: Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

Shhhhhh, you are disturbing subbys imaginary world where jews are the root of all evil.


Wait, isn't it love of Jews that is the root of all evil? I think that's what the bibble says.
 
2012-10-31 09:56:49 AM  

Joe Blowme: Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

Shhhhhh, you are disturbing subbys imaginary world where jews are the root of all evil.


Jews aren't, but racist nationalist pro-war farktards like Netanyahu certainly are.
 
2012-10-31 09:57:33 AM  
Well it would certainly calm the parts directly underneath the bombs when they fall.
 
2012-10-31 09:58:48 AM  
They don't even deserve a 2x4 with a nail in it, let alone a farking bomb.
 
2012-10-31 09:59:15 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Jews aren't, but racist nationalist pro-war farktards like Netanyahu certainly are.


Obviously, to a certain group of people, the only True Jews are racist nationalist pro-war farktards. The rest are all JINOs.
 
2012-10-31 09:59:54 AM  
i216.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 10:00:23 AM  

theorellior: PonceAlyosha: Jews aren't, but racist nationalist pro-war farktards like Netanyahu certainly are.

Obviously, to a certain group of people, the only True Jews are racist nationalist pro-war farktards. The rest are all JINOs.


Jinos has some of the best hoagines in Philly.
 
2012-10-31 10:00:48 AM  
If by stabilize he means galvanize the people in solidarity with their governments instead of revolting against them, then maybe.
 
2012-10-31 10:00:51 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Joe Blowme: Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

Shhhhhh, you are disturbing subbys imaginary world where jews are the root of all evil.

Jews aren't, but racist nationalist pro-war farktards like Netanyahu certainly are.


HAHAHAHA right, its not the death cult of islam or anything.
 
2012-10-31 10:04:50 AM  

Joe Blowme: PonceAlyosha: Joe Blowme: Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

Shhhhhh, you are disturbing subbys imaginary world where jews are the root of all evil.

Jews aren't, but racist nationalist pro-war farktards like Netanyahu certainly are.

HAHAHAHA right, its not the death cult of islam or anything.


The "death cult" of Islam has only existed since the fall of the Ottoman empire. Not nearly long enough to be the cause of all the world's problems. Racist nationalist pro-war farktards, however, have always existed, except before nation states when they were tribalists.
 
2012-10-31 10:05:30 AM  

PonceAlyosha: The "death cult" of Islam has only existed since the fall of the Ottoman empire.


Clarification: meaning the popularization of Wahhabism, and even that's mostly in the latter half of this century.
 
2012-10-31 10:05:53 AM  
Hey, let's not let this thread turn into another shiatstorm.
I know we can have a good discussion on this topic.

Netanyahu talks bomb talk. Ahmedinejad talks crazy talk.
Lucky us, in the middle.
 
2012-10-31 10:06:05 AM  
and they will welcome you as liberators.
 
2012-10-31 10:08:26 AM  
Bibi is suffering dementia.
 
2012-10-31 10:09:44 AM  

Porous Horace: Netanyahu talks bomb talk. Ahmedinejad talks crazy talk.
Lucky us, in the middle.


Yeah, if they flew around the entire plane in the exact opposite farking direction.
 
2012-10-31 10:10:22 AM  

PonceAlyosha: PonceAlyosha: The "death cult" of Islam has only existed since the fall of the Ottoman empire.

Clarification: meaning the popularization of Wahhabism, and even that's mostly in the latter half of this century.


The barbary pirates would like a word...

"...Jefferson later wrote that the Tripoli ambassador told him, "It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to Paradise."
 
2012-10-31 10:10:46 AM  
Then let the damn Arabs do the bombing, Nutty Yahoo!
 
2012-10-31 10:11:04 AM  

danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!


Arabs are a Semitic people. Is it OK to hate them? I'm a bit bored hating the Jews anymore.
 
2012-10-31 10:12:25 AM  

Joe Blowme: The barbary pirates would like a word...


The Barbars did us a goddamn favor by forcing us to build a navy. I don't see how they're remotely a root of "what's wrong with the world," unless you're against eventual American military supremacy.
 
2012-10-31 10:13:36 AM  

Joe Blowme: HAHAHAHA right, its not the death cult of islam or anything.


You're right, the best solution for Islam, perhaps the final solution, is to round those subhumans into camps and exterminate them systematically. Bonus: free dental gold!
 
2012-10-31 10:14:30 AM  
Is it coincidence that the site is plastered for ads depicting what I assume is Raytheon's next generation missile? Also, why does raytheon advertise to civilians?
 
2012-10-31 10:15:49 AM  
The quotes from Neta kinda gave me the assumption that he needs to take a shiat

/or maybe that he's full of it
//still kinda in disbelief over how people take this clown seriously after the cartoon bomb graph incident
 
2012-10-31 10:16:02 AM  

Joe Blowme: "...Jefferson later wrote that the Tripoli ambassador told him, "It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to Paradise."


"Next we headed for the land of Bashan, where King Og and his army attacked us at Edrei. But the LORD told me, 'Do not be afraid of him, for I have given you victory over Og and his army, giving you his entire land. Treat him just as you treated King Sihon of the Amorites, who ruled in Heshbon.' So the LORD our God handed King Og and all his people over to us, and we killed them all. We conquered all sixty of his towns, the entire Argob region in his kingdom of Bashan. These were all fortified cities with high walls and barred gates. We also took many unwalled villages at the same time. We completely destroyed the kingdom of Bashan, just as we had destroyed King Sihon of Heshbon. We destroyed all the people in every town we conquered - men, women, and children alike. But we kept all the livestock for ourselves and took plunder from all the towns." (Deuteronomy 3:1-7 NLT)

Sounds like another Semitic Death-Cult to me!
 
2012-10-31 10:18:04 AM  

theorellior: Joe Blowme: HAHAHAHA right, its not the death cult of islam or anything.

You're right, the best solution for Islam, perhaps the final solution, is to round those subhumans into camps and exterminate them systematically. Bonus: free dental gold!


Nice try, but that is not what i said.
 
2012-10-31 10:20:32 AM  

ZER0T0THEC0RE: Is it coincidence that the site is plastered for ads depicting what I assume is Raytheon's next generation missile? Also, why does raytheon advertise to civilians?


Sometimes wars need a personal touch.
 
2012-10-31 10:20:39 AM  

theorellior: Joe Blowme: "...Jefferson later wrote that the Tripoli ambassador told him, "It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to Paradise."

"Next we headed for the land of Bashan, where King Og and his army attacked us at Edrei. But the LORD told me, 'Do not be afraid of him, for I have given you victory over Og and his army, giving you his entire land. Treat him just as you treated King Sihon of the Amorites, who ruled in Heshbon.' So the LORD our God handed King Og and all his people over to us, and we killed them all. We conquered all sixty of his towns, the entire Argob region in his kingdom of Bashan. These were all fortified cities with high walls and barred gates. We also took many unwalled villages at the same time. We completely destroyed the kingdom of Bashan, just as we had destroyed King Sihon of Heshbon. We destroyed all the people in every town we conquered - men, women, and children alike. But we kept all the livestock for ourselves and took plunder from all the towns." (Deuteronomy 3:1-7 NLT)

Sounds like another Semitic Death-Cult to me!


So i am sure you have citation of people quoting Deuteronomy as justification in killing non believers? Or even believers who happen to be women trying to get educated? Right? Trying to justify retardation by pointing at other retardation is just... well... retarded.


/you make a good dhimmi
 
2012-10-31 10:21:20 AM  

Cythraul: The Arab world? Maybe. Since it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians. The Middle East? Eeeh, not so much.


Kind of a generic and misleading statement given the alliance between Syria and Iran. And the unspoken alliance between Iraq and Iran now.

Plus if there's one way to have Arabs seriously consider lining up with Iran...it is to have Iran attacked by Israel.

Bibi: Uniting the Muslim World.
 
2012-10-31 10:26:10 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Bibi is suffering dementia.


More likely it's Romnesia. Just trying to help out his buddy Mittens with a little well-timed sabre rattling.
 
2012-10-31 10:27:08 AM  

Joe Blowme: /you make a good dhimmi


LOL. We got a live one here, boys!
 
2012-10-31 10:30:50 AM  

Joe Blowme: So i am sure you have citation of people quoting Deuteronomy as justification in killing non believers? Or even believers who happen to be women trying to get educated?


Why don't you go look up some writings of Rushdoony or any of the other Dominionists out there and come back to me on that.
 
2012-10-31 10:32:39 AM  

Cythraul: it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians


Pantubo: Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.


In this thread I learned that it's OK to make sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups (provided it's not the Jews).

Statements like these are about as useful as "the Europeans hate the Africans" or "North Americans have no love for Latin Americans". (Pop quiz: which regional country is the biggest supporter of the Arab country Syria?). Apart from anything else, there are dimensions of religion that cut across ethnicity, and even countries that are primarily of one branch often have large minorities of the other. And even the popular categorizations into Shia and Sunni ignore the fact that each has numerous schools within it -- it's about as insightful as saying that northern Europe is Protestant and southern Europe is Catholic.

Bottom line: joining the minority of Americans who have figured out that Iranians are not Arabs is a first step, but it's not a "position" on mid-east politics.

/You know who else made sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups?
 
2012-10-31 10:34:00 AM  

PonceAlyosha: The Barbars did us a goddamn favor by forcing us to build a navy. I don't see how they're remotely a root of "what's wrong with the world," unless you're against eventual American military supremacy.


And the rise of Nazi and communist aggression led to the creation of the United Nations. So "go Nazis"?
 
2012-10-31 10:34:25 AM  

theorellior: Joe Blowme: So i am sure you have citation of people quoting Deuteronomy as justification in killing non believers? Or even believers who happen to be women trying to get educated?

Why don't you go look up some writings of Rushdoony or any of the other Dominionists out there and come back to me on that.


So you have none, got it.
 
2012-10-31 10:36:53 AM  
It probably would calm them down to get the whole war thing out of their system, going by past precedent.
Problem is they will also turn to more asymmetrical tactics in the long run. Since it will be proven that they can't win wars.

You'd prevent a nuclear Iran, but increase the chances of Iranians giving a chemical shell to some insane zealot.
 
2012-10-31 10:42:09 AM  
just by show of hands: how many of us remember the last time Israel bombed an Iranian nuclear research site?
 
2012-10-31 10:46:28 AM  
So the cold war ends and Mutually Assured Destruction suddenly stops working too?
 
2012-10-31 10:50:28 AM  
if there was a way that someone could guarantee that only Israelis would suffer the effects of any Iranian retaliation, then yes... the Arab world would probably feel better if the Persians and Israelis would start killing each other.
 
2012-10-31 10:52:34 AM  

kbronsito: if there was a way that someone could guarantee that only Israelis would suffer the effects of any Iranian retaliation, then yes... the Arab world would probably feel better if the Persians and Israelis would start killing each other.


Not the bits directly between or adjacent to them, though.
 
2012-10-31 10:57:00 AM  

Cythraul: The Arab world? Maybe. Since it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians. The Middle East? Eeeh, not so much.


Because Arabs hate Persians more than they hate Jews? No, Netanyahu needs to chill the fark out.
 
2012-10-31 10:59:11 AM  
He could try blowing up the King David Hotel again. Or maybe attacking a US Navy ship with unmarked Israeli jets again.

That would really calm things down.
 
2012-10-31 11:00:49 AM  
It will all blow over in one news cycle.
Nobody will even remember it in a week.
A "Cakewalk"
 
2012-10-31 11:02:52 AM  

Vectron: It will all blow over in one news cycle.
Nobody will even remember it in a week.
A "Cakewalk"


And speaking of "Cakewalk", the last time a Jew used that term, the USA got shafted.
 
2012-10-31 11:05:53 AM  
No, no, it'll be MUCH, MUCH calmer if the Iranians get nukes, and then Saudi buys nukes, then various assorted Arab Emirates buy nukes and all these intolerant, religious fanatics, now fully armed, show their already demonstated lack of self control and start popping them off, secure in the knowledge that their particular Sky Wizard will protect them, or at least give them a biatching afterlife......
 
2012-10-31 11:10:12 AM  
czetie:

/You know who else made sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups?

Def Comedy Jam?
 
2012-10-31 11:18:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: dem


No.

It looks to me like he's enjoying every minute of it.
 
2012-10-31 11:22:59 AM  
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-10-31 11:28:14 AM  
The Navy fires warning rounds over the bow of a ship that won't respond.

Infantrymen fire warning shots over the heads of the enemy.

A pro boxer will punch you right in the ribs as a warning shot.

Your mother hit your dad with a skillet as a warning shot about internet porn.

Netanyahu is right. Cock punch these squalid sons of Ishmael so they back off.

Or, didn't you read ahead in the manual?
 
2012-10-31 11:38:24 AM  

czetie: Cythraul: it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians

Pantubo: Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

In this thread I learned that it's OK to make sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups (provided it's not the Jews).

Statements like these are about as useful as "the Europeans hate the Africans" or "North Americans have no love for Latin Americans". (Pop quiz: which regional country is the biggest supporter of the Arab country Syria?). Apart from anything else, there are dimensions of religion that cut across ethnicity, and even countries that are primarily of one branch often have large minorities of the other. And even the popular categorizations into Shia and Sunni ignore the fact that each has numerous schools within it -- it's about as insightful as saying that northern Europe is Protestant and southern Europe is Catholic.

Bottom line: joining the minority of Americans who have figured out that Iranians are not Arabs is a first step, but it's not a "position" on mid-east politics.

/You know who else made sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups?


Please. Take your politically correct bullshiat and shuve it up your ass.
 
2012-10-31 11:39:01 AM  

Joe Blowme: Pantubo: Iranians are not Arabs.

Moreover, Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

Shhhhhh, you are disturbing subbys imaginary world where jews are the root of all evil.


What about your imaginary world where criticizing Israel and Antisemitism are one and the same?  What disturbs that?
 
2012-10-31 11:40:32 AM  

PonceAlyosha: theorellior: PonceAlyosha: Jews aren't, but racist nationalist pro-war farktards like Netanyahu certainly are.

Obviously, to a certain group of people, the only True Jews are racist nationalist pro-war farktards. The rest are all JINOs.

Jinos has some of the best hoagines in Philly.


Well, DUH. They don't worry about being kosher.  Everyone knows hoagies are best with ham and/or bacon.
 
2012-10-31 11:44:14 AM  

Porous Horace: Netanyahu talks bomb talk. Ahmedinejad talks crazy talk.
Lucky us, in the middle.


Well, first. we got the bomb, and that was good, 'cause we love peace and motherhood. Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay, 'cause the balance of power's maintained that way. But I wonder who's next?
 
2012-10-31 11:47:18 AM  

Cythraul: The Arab world? Maybe. Since it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians. The Middle East? Eeeh, not so much.


This. Read the leaked cables. Almost no one in the Arab world wants the Iranians to have the bomb. They really don't want that sort of shift in the balance of power.

That being said, I don't want Israel to just go in there screaming for vengeance.
 
2012-10-31 11:49:52 AM  

ciberido: Well, first. we got the bomb, and that was good, 'cause we love peace and motherhood. Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay, 'cause the balance of power's maintained that way. But I wonder who's next?


That's awesome. I'd never actually SEEN Tom Leher.
 
2012-10-31 11:52:24 AM  

Marine1: That being said, I don't want Israel to just go in there screaming for vengeance.


Great. Now I'll have that stuck in my head all day.
 
2012-10-31 11:53:31 AM  
 
2012-10-31 12:04:40 PM  

danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!


Here, let me help you since this is difficult:

Anti-Zionism: I disagree with the mentality and statements made by the Israeli Government, which have little to do with fact and a lot to do with fear-mongering.

Anti-Semitism: farking Jews, they're always trying to whip up wars.

See the difference?
 
2012-10-31 12:08:00 PM  

fireclown: Marine1: That being said, I don't want Israel to just go in there screaming for vengeance.

Great. Now I'll have that stuck in my head all day.


There are far worse albums to have stuck in your head.
 
2012-10-31 12:10:40 PM  

Marine1: fireclown: Marine1: That being said, I don't want Israel to just go in there screaming for vengeance.

Great. Now I'll have that stuck in my head all day.

There are far worse albums to have stuck in your head.


Hey. I just met you.

And this is crazy.

This song is now.

Stuck in your head.
 
2012-10-31 12:30:22 PM  

BronyMedic: danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!

Here, let me help you since this is difficult:

Anti-Zionism: I disagree with the mentality and statements made by the Israeli Government, which have little to do with fact and a lot to do with fear-mongering.

Anti-Semitism: farking Jews, they're always trying to whip up wars.

See the difference?


Nope. Anti-semitism with pretty words is still anti-semitism.

/Netanyahu's statement has everything to do with fact
//Yassir Arafat himself declared the reason he started the Second Intifada was because Benin and Clinton were offering him too much in exchange for peace
 
2012-10-31 12:31:59 PM  
It might because then China and Russia would fully back Iran in Counter attacking, therefore giving the arabs an actual army, navy and airforce.
 
2012-10-31 12:42:27 PM  
"I've got 7 more days to saber-rattle as if the United States military is my own, so I'm going to make it count." -Netanyahu
 
2012-10-31 12:43:33 PM  
He is absolutely right.

Some people have their heads wired in reverse: if you are nice to them they will snap your head off, but whap them up the side of the head with a 2 x 4, and they eat right out of your hand.

Shah Reza Pahlavi of Iran understood this; so did Hafez Assad, Saddam Hussein, and the late Moammar Gadhafy. All these men were brutes by our standards but they knew what it takes to keep control of a situation.
 
2012-10-31 12:56:05 PM  

olddinosaur: He is absolutely right.

Some people have their heads wired in reverse: if you are nice to them they will snap your head off, but whap them up the side of the head with a 2 x 4, and they eat right out of your hand.

Shah Reza Pahlavi of Iran understood this; so did Hafez Assad, Saddam Hussein, and the late Moammar Gadhafy. All these men were brutes by our standards but they knew what it takes to keep control of a situation.


He's right, the calm will come from the fact that they are all suddenly united in their renewed hatred of Israel.
 
2012-10-31 12:56:33 PM  

Marine1: Cythraul: The Arab world? Maybe. Since it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians. The Middle East? Eeeh, not so much.

This. Read the leaked cables. Almost no one in the Arab world wants the Iranians to have the bomb. They really don't want that sort of shift in the balance of power.

That being said, I don't want Israel to just go in there screaming for vengeance.


I think a strike on Iran's facilities is inevitable. Don't know if it'll be us or the Israelis, but it'll happen. I think it's already 'factored in', the Arab world know it's going to happen, and any hatred is already there.

The question is, do we stop there? Or do we blockade Iran and start bombing? If the former, the Arabs will be OK with it. If the latter, they'll get upset.

Israel's bombed quite a few potential nuclear sites, including in Iraq and Syria. This isn't anything unique about Iran.
 
2012-10-31 01:06:22 PM  

olddinosaur: He is absolutely right.

Some people have their heads wired in reverse: if you are nice to them they will snap your head off, but whap them up the side of the head with a 2 x 4, and they eat right out of your hand.

Shah Reza Pahlavi of Iran understood this; so did Hafez Assad, Saddam Hussein, and the late Moammar Gadhafy. All these men were brutes by our standards but they knew what it takes to keep control of a situation.


Could even say the same about Tito Broz in Yugoslavia.
 
2012-10-31 01:07:11 PM  

Cythraul: czetie: Cythraul: it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians

Pantubo: Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

In this thread I learned that it's OK to make sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups (provided it's not the Jews).

Statements like these are about as useful as "the Europeans hate the Africans" or "North Americans have no love for Latin Americans". (Pop quiz: which regional country is the biggest supporter of the Arab country Syria?). Apart from anything else, there are dimensions of religion that cut across ethnicity, and even countries that are primarily of one branch often have large minorities of the other. And even the popular categorizations into Shia and Sunni ignore the fact that each has numerous schools within it -- it's about as insightful as saying that northern Europe is Protestant and southern Europe is Catholic.

Bottom line: joining the minority of Americans who have figured out that Iranians are not Arabs is a first step, but it's not a "position" on mid-east politics.

/You know who else made sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups?

Please. Take your politically correct bullshiat and shuve it up your ass.


So basically, you're flat-out admitting that you've got nothing? Good to know.
 
2012-10-31 01:08:03 PM  
In public the Arab countries would be screaming bloody murder.
In the back they would be thanking Israel for keeping nukes out of Ajamawhakjob's hands.
 
2012-10-31 01:10:24 PM  

czetie: Cythraul: czetie: Cythraul: it is my understanding that the Arabs hate the Persians

Pantubo: Arabs have no love whatsoever for Iranians.

In this thread I learned that it's OK to make sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups (provided it's not the Jews).

Statements like these are about as useful as "the Europeans hate the Africans" or "North Americans have no love for Latin Americans". (Pop quiz: which regional country is the biggest supporter of the Arab country Syria?). Apart from anything else, there are dimensions of religion that cut across ethnicity, and even countries that are primarily of one branch often have large minorities of the other. And even the popular categorizations into Shia and Sunni ignore the fact that each has numerous schools within it -- it's about as insightful as saying that northern Europe is Protestant and southern Europe is Catholic.

Bottom line: joining the minority of Americans who have figured out that Iranians are not Arabs is a first step, but it's not a "position" on mid-east politics.

/You know who else made sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups?

Please. Take your politically correct bullshiat and shuve it up your ass.

So basically, you're flat-out admitting that you've got nothing? Good to know.


No, I'm just telling you to fark off.
 
2012-10-31 01:18:15 PM  

BronyMedic: Here, let me help you since this is difficult:

Anti-Zionism: I disagree with the mentality and statements made by the Israeli Government, which have little to do with fact and a lot to do with fear-mongering.

Anti-Semitism: farking Jews, they're always trying to whip up wars.

See the difference?


Tatterdemalian: Nope. Anti-semitism with pretty words is still anti-semitism.

 

If you're too willfully stupid to grasp that criticizing the Israeli Governmentl and hating all Jews are completely different things, then I don't think we can help you.

Agree or disagree with Benjamin Netanyahu as you see fit. Argue with whatever statements your fellow Farkers make. Defend your positions. But calling everyone who disagrees with you "antisemitic" just makes you a laughingstock.
 
2012-10-31 01:39:49 PM  
So Nuttenyahoo knows Rmoney is going to lose and not be able to nuke Iran, so out comes the war talk again.

/Committing Genocide is not funny Israel
//Too soon????????????????????
///Israel is like that dude who was bullied when he was a kid and then grew up to become a serial killer and people let him kill since he was bullied as a kid.
 
2012-10-31 01:45:36 PM  

fireclown: just by show of hands: how many of us remember the last time Israel bombed an Iranian nuclear research site?


Well it has never happened . the did bomb one in Iraq in 1981.
And even hit one in Syria a few years back with help from N.Korea (that was hush..hush.)
Those were pretty successful outings.
 
2012-10-31 01:51:01 PM  
Sorry . Sloppy writing

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: fireclown: just by show of hands: how many of us remember the last time Israel bombed an Iranian nuclear research site?

Well it has never happened . the did bomb one in Iraq in 1981.
And even hit one in Syria a few years back with help from N.Korea (that was hush..hush.)
Those were pretty successful outings.


Sorry Sloopy writing .let me be clear.

Syria was getting help from N.Korea and the IAF destroyed the facility.

Israel destroyed the Iraqi plant in 1981 and it was at the time a huge success.
One jet destroyed the containment dome and then another jet delivered it's bomb right into the reactor.
 
2012-10-31 02:49:51 PM  

olddinosaur: Shah Reza Pahlavi of Iran understood this; so did Hafez Assad, Saddam Hussein, and the late Moammar Gadhafy. All these men were brutes by our standards but they knew what it takes to keep control of a situation.


You're defending the Shah, Assad, Hussein and Gaddafi?

Remind me of this the next time someone calls me a libtard fascist who loves Chavez and Pinochet.
 
2012-10-31 02:58:19 PM  

ciberido: If you're too willfully stupid to grasp that criticizing the Israeli Governmentl and hating all Jews are completely different things, then I don't think we can help you.


If you're too willfully stupid to comprehend what I actually wrote, I really don't want your help.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-31 03:14:07 PM  

Tatterdemalian: If you're too willfully stupid to comprehend what I actually wrote, I really don't want your help.


www.forgetthebox.net

You shouldn't really lecture people on comprehension when you make disingenuous statements which aren't clear as a snarky reply to comments. You never wrote this?

Tatterdemalian: Nope. Anti-semitism with pretty words is still anti-semitism.

/Netanyahu's statement has everything to do with fact
//Yassir Arafat himself declared the reason he started the Second Intifada was because Benin and Clinton were offering him too much in exchange for peace


You explicitly implied that my statement was anti-semitic because I used "pretty words" to differentiate the point that there is a massive farking difference between criticism of the policies of the Israeli government, and the promotion of hate against the Jewish people. The only type of person who would like to tie the two together are disingenuous hacks who seek to escape political criticism by shaming their opponents with a pathetically obvious mixture of association fallacy and poisoning the well.

In addition, the Israeli Government wants us to believe that the Iranian Government is as stupid as the religious fundie groups are that detonate bombs in busses. They want everyone to believe that the moment Iran gets a bomb, they're going to nuke the shiat out of Israel, a country with over 400 nuclear weapons, and invite world-wide reprisal that would turn their country into a glass parking lot. Oh, and that Ahmadinejad is anything more than a puppet for the Iranian council.

Iran having a nuke is bad. I get that. But I also get that I don't want American lives sacrificed over some crappy, biblical prophesying over the city of Jerusalem.

And you're a complete idiot if you think that equates with anti-semitism.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-31 03:26:38 PM  
One move that WOULD help calm the Arab world is if we just got the hell out of that entire region.
 
2012-10-31 03:38:33 PM  

BronyMedic:

In addition, the Israeli Government wants us to believe that the Iranian Government is as stupid as the religious fundie groups are that detonate bombs in busses. They want everyone to believe that the moment Iran gets a bomb, they're going to nuke the shiat out of Israel, a country with over 400 nuclear weapons, and invite world-wide reprisal that would turn their country into a glass parking lot. Oh, and that Ahmadinejad is anything more than a puppet for the Iranian council.



Two Part Question: Is it possible for Iran (or some other country) to nuke Israel and not contaminate Jerusalem with radiation? Does Islam frown upon the irradiation of one of their holy cities?
 
2012-10-31 03:49:57 PM  

BronyMedic: danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!

Here, let me help you since this is difficult:

Anti-Zionism: I disagree with the mentality and statements made by the Israeli Government, which have little to do with fact and a lot to do with fear-mongering.

Anti-Semitism: farking Jews, they're always trying to whip up wars.

See the difference?


Some people do not understand humor.

Apparently, you are of those people. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but since this is difficult...

Some people come to Fark forums and take their totally reasonable hatred for the Israeli government (a hatred which I wholeheartedly endorse) on all Jews; which would include left wing Jews who also hate the Israeli government.

See the difference?
 
2012-10-31 03:52:18 PM  

kbronsito: Two Part Question: Is it possible for Iran (or some other country) to nuke Israel and not contaminate Jerusalem with radiation? Does Islam frown upon the irradiation of one of their holy cities?


It doesn't matter what Islam says. It matters what the Iranian Guardian Council says. You're falsely assuming they're going to do what Islam says over what's necessary to hold power.

They have power. It's a simple equation here. As long as they maintain the status quo, they can continue to hold onto that power. They can also hold onto the big boogeymen to blame everything bad on - America, UK, and Israel.

All of that topples down if, for some utterly stupid reason, they decided to use a WMD against Israel. Not only would Israel be the victim in the eyes of the world, it'd be the same as a second holocaust - and a war of annihilation against Iran. And that's after the country is turned into a glass-floored, self-lighting parking lot. As annoying as the middle-eastern folks find Israel, the entire world finds the use of Nuclear weapons abhorrent to the point of being an unreconcilable sin.

These people are not stupid enough to not recognize this.
 
2012-10-31 03:53:23 PM  

danielscissorhands: BronyMedic: danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!

Here, let me help you since this is difficult:

Anti-Zionism: I disagree with the mentality and statements made by the Israeli Government, which have little to do with fact and a lot to do with fear-mongering.

Anti-Semitism: farking Jews, they're always trying to whip up wars.

See the difference?

Some people do not understand humor.

Apparently, you are of those people. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but since this is difficult...

Some people come to Fark forums and take their totally reasonable hatred for the Israeli government (a hatred which I wholeheartedly endorse) on all Jews; which would include left wing Jews who also hate the Israeli government.

See the difference?


I was building onto what you said. Not trying to insinuate you were that.
 
2012-10-31 04:05:08 PM  

danielscissorhands: Some people do not understand humor.

Apparently, you are of those people. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but since this is difficult...

Some people come to Fark forums and take their totally reasonable hatred for the Israeli government (a hatred which I wholeheartedly endorse) on all Jews; which would include left wing Jews who also hate the Israeli government.


Aside from Vectron, is there anyone currently active here who does that? There used to be Fark80, but unless he has a new alt he'd been gone for ages.

It seems more frequent, as Joe Blowme demonstrates, that people critical of Netanyahu will be sincerely accused of being Antisemitism or a Mussie-loving "dhimmi".

Since your sarcasm was kinda vague, BronyMedic was probably assuming you were part of Blowme's camp.
 
2012-10-31 04:29:37 PM  

BronyMedic: danielscissorhands: BronyMedic: danielscissorhands: Anti-zionism devolves into anti-semitism in 3...2....1.........

GO!

Here, let me help you since this is difficult:

Anti-Zionism: I disagree with the mentality and statements made by the Israeli Government, which have little to do with fact and a lot to do with fear-mongering.

Anti-Semitism: farking Jews, they're always trying to whip up wars.

See the difference?

Some people do not understand humor.

Apparently, you are of those people. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but since this is difficult...

Some people come to Fark forums and take their totally reasonable hatred for the Israeli government (a hatred which I wholeheartedly endorse) on all Jews; which would include left wing Jews who also hate the Israeli government.

See the difference?

I was building onto what you said. Not trying to insinuate you were that.


Well, I just thought that you thought that I didn't know the difference. :-P
 
2012-10-31 05:24:38 PM  

BronyMedic: Tatterdemalian: If you're too willfully stupid to comprehend what I actually wrote, I really don't want your help.

You shouldn't really lecture people on comprehension when you make disingenuous statements which aren't clear as a snarky reply to comments. You never wrote this?

Tatterdemalian: Nope. Anti-semitism with pretty words is still anti-semitism.

/Netanyahu's statement has everything to do with fact
//Yassir Arafat himself declared the reason he started the Second Intifada was because Benin and Clinton were offering him too much in exchange for peace

You explicitly implied that my statement was anti-semitic because I used "pretty words" to differentiate the point that there is a massive farking difference between criticism of the policies of the Israeli government, and the promotion of hate against the Jewish people. The only type of person who would like to tie the two together are disingenuous hacks who seek to escape political criticism by shaming their opponents with a pathetically obvious mixture of association fallacy and poisoning the well.

In addition, the Israeli Government wants us to believe that the Iranian Government is as stupid as the religious fundie groups are that detonate bombs in busses. They want everyone to believe that the moment Iran gets a bomb, they're going to nuke the shiat out of Israel, a country with over 400 nuclear weapons, and invite world-wide reprisal that would turn their country into a glass parking lot. Oh, and that Ahmadinejad is anything more than a puppet for the Iranian council.

Iran having a nuke is bad. I get that. But I also get that I don't want American lives sacrificed over some crappy, biblical prophesying over the city of Jerusalem.

And you're a complete idiot if you think that equates with anti-semitism.


I've bolded the parts that equate with anti-semitism, for the audience's convenience. Your "criticism of Israel" is really no more legitimate than that of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

/you might as well demand the Israeli government stop baking the blood of Christians into matzohs
//pity you can't stop at legitimate criticism, you might actually avoid being anti-semitic
 
2012-10-31 06:14:13 PM  

Tatterdemalian: I've bolded the parts that equate with anti-semitism, for the audience's convenience. Your "criticism of Israel" is really no more legitimate than that of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion


24.media.tumblr.com

Really?

I mean, really?

You're going to equate a legitimate criticism and analysis of the material that the Israeli Government, not the Jewish People (Israel is not the emperor of Jewish people. Stop pretending like it is, and stop equating Israel with the Jewish faith, or the people who can claim descendancy from the Jewish people.) is promoting about the Iranian Government, with one of the most well known anti-semitic frauds in the history of humanity?

Seriously. Grow the fark up and learn to debate with some substance, rather than pathetic creed-baiting.

And you're actually going to set here, and deny the fact that a large reason for the overwhelming, unquestioning support of the Government of Israel is because of the over 85% Christian Population of the United States, who are taught from the very day of their birth that if they don't support the people who hold Jerusalem, that the end-times are upon us and we will be the enemy in the battle of Armageddon?

Congratulations. You're not only a complete idiot, but a pathetic and terrible human being for pulling this card. I'm not going to play the "If you criticize Israel, you're really a closet anti-semite" game with you. It's pathetic, shameful, and insults the memory of those who actually DID die as a result of Anti-semitism throughout history.

www.troll.me
 
2012-10-31 06:42:12 PM  

mark12A: No, no, it'll be MUCH, MUCH calmer if the Iranians get nukes, and then Saudi buys nukes, then various assorted Arab Emirates buy nukes and all these intolerant, religious fanatics, now fully armed, show their already demonstated lack of self control and start popping them off, secure in the knowledge that their particular Sky Wizard will protect them, or at least give them a biatching afterlife......


It's worth a shot.
 
2012-10-31 08:14:25 PM  

Tatterdemalian: I've bolded the parts that equate with anti-semitism, for the audience's convenience.


As a member of said audience, can I just say that you're a retard?
 
2012-10-31 08:21:48 PM  

ZER0T0THEC0RE: Is it coincidence that the site is plastered for ads depicting what I assume is Raytheon's next generation missile? Also, why does raytheon advertise to civilians?


I clicked on the link out of curiosity and I have to say that I was impressed the Standard Missle 3 has an enhanced, two-color infrared seeker, my old missle only has one color infrared seekers, and it could be sea or land based, my missles can only be based at my house (on land). Although the missles I have now do keep the neighbors pacified it's only a matter of time before they step up their game and get something I can't handle with what I have now. Thanks Raytheon for informing me about Standard Missile 3 (although I gotta say the name leaves a little to be desired).
 
2012-10-31 08:35:34 PM  
Most states in the region would prefer a non-nuclear Iran. Saudi Arabia, in particular, has been very vocal about this.
 
2012-10-31 09:15:55 PM  

BronyMedic: You're going to equate a legitimate criticism and analysis of the material that the Israeli Government, not the Jewish People (Israel is not the emperor of Jewish people. Stop pretending like it is, and stop equating Israel with the Jewish faith, or the people who can claim descendancy from the Jewish people.) is promoting about the Iranian Government, with one of the most well known anti-semitic frauds in the history of humanity?


No, just yours, because your criticism is not legitimate at all.

/if the Zionists have such amazing mind-control powers, you think they'd use them to make the Palestinians love them, or at least the UN
//or is that part of the Israeli government's plot, too?
 
2012-10-31 09:25:21 PM  
To the average Liberal Anti-Semitic Israel-Hating Derpocrat....anything Netyanahu says is reason enough to re-open the camps...

Bibi is correct....the Arabs would appreciate the Iranians being defeated. Not only because of religious reasons (Arabs are mainly Sunni, Iranians are shiate), but also ethnic reasons....man do Arabs hate Persians being called "Arabs"

And, since the Ayatollahs took over in 1979...there have been a few skirmishes in Saudi Arabia between shiate pilgrims and Saudi officials....some have been pretty bloody and nearly shut down Mecca. The Saudis and Arabs have no love loss for the Aytatollah Iran

Of course, to get a Liberal Derpocrat to understand Middle Eastern history and the various cultures...is a bigger challenge than getting Rachel MadCow to like guys.
 
2012-10-31 09:31:51 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Of course, to get a Liberal Derpocrat to understand Middle Eastern history and the various cultures...is a bigger challenge than getting Rachel MadCow to like guys.


I don't think it's really ignorance, as they're the first to trot out the "There are multiple Middle Eastern cultures" canard when it suits them. They're simply playing political power games with the lives of the beleaguered Israeli citizens who they claim to be defending from the evil totalitarian Israeli government.

/of course, that means they're evil instead of incompetent
//which will it be, oh master debaters?
 
2012-10-31 09:48:54 PM  

DancingElkCondor: To the average Liberal Anti-Semitic Israel-Hating Derpocrat....anything Netyanahu says is reason enough to re-open the camps...


Well, you're certainly convinced me of the errors of my ways...

No wait, you've demonstrated that you're a paranoid jingonist with fantasies of persecution and total blindness to any position other than your own.

So, well done.
 
2012-10-31 11:17:07 PM  
Agree with Israelis as Iran has been fomenting and exporting terrorism throughout the middle east and beyond.
 
2012-10-31 11:27:55 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Most states in the region would prefer a non-nuclear Iran. Saudi Arabia, in particular, has been very vocal about this.


Then let Saudi Arabia lead the charge against them. Or the Arab league. America does not need to have the back of Bibi on this - the Israelis are the baddest and most advanced fighting force in the region, EXCEPT for maybe the Saudis and Kuwaitis, and that's because they use all of our old surplus equipment.

It's time for America to stop getting involved in Middle East Brushfire Wars, and time for us to start worrying about our own damn selves. We've farked that region up enough that it'll be cranking out terrorists for the next two generations because of our "Wars of Liberation".
 
2012-10-31 11:40:41 PM  

Tatterdemalian: BronyMedic: You're going to equate a legitimate criticism and analysis of the material that the Israeli Government, not the Jewish People (Israel is not the emperor of Jewish people. Stop pretending like it is, and stop equating Israel with the Jewish faith, or the people who can claim descendancy from the Jewish people.) is promoting about the Iranian Government, with one of the most well known anti-semitic frauds in the history of humanity?

No, just yours, because your criticism is not legitimate at all.

/if the Zionists have such amazing mind-control powers, you think they'd use them to make the Palestinians love them, or at least the UN
//or is that part of the Israeli government's plot, too?


people.virginia.edu

Have you been snorting bath salts?

Seriously. I don't think you even realize how brain-numbingly stupid you sound trotting out CONSPIRACY THEORIES and anti-semitic talking points, including the freakin' Elder Protocols of Zion in response to criticism of Israeli chestbanging. Look. I get it. Israel is the "Nuke the Moon" country. They want to be so batshiat insane that NO ONE messes with them.

Guess what? For the last 20 years, Israel has popped off about how Iran will develop the bomb in a WEEK unless the US does something about it. Every week goes by without a nuclear explosion, somehow. Even if I took the Israelis seriously on this, they've cried wolf too many damn times on the international stage.

Do you honestly think that the UN, controlled by the biggest business partners of Israel, such as the US, the EU, and China, are going to seek a war of annihilation against them? Are you really that dellerious?

You're blithering hatred of anyone who dares criticize the Israeli government for legitimate issues has eliminated even your ability to comprehend even typed word. The fact that you'd accuse me of being Anti-Semitic, because the posturing they make in their foreign policy while using the United States as the big brother to run and hide behind annoys me, because it will be American lives in the next brushfire war that will be fighting and dying over a number of countries which, like Iraq, DON'T WANT US THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

No one likes Iran. Not Israel. Not Saudi Arabia. Not Iraq. Not Kuwait.

No one.

But they hate the United States more. We're the big, bad Christian imperialist crusaders.

The fact that you ignore is that whenever the US meddles over there, it's viewed as imperialistic war-mongering and as a religious conflict, even when there are legitimate reasons to perform military action. And NO ONE wants us there.

I'd rather have American soldiers at home, with their families, than dying in the sand for some country that doesn't want us there in the first place, and who our right-wing politicians will assure us will be "Greeted as Liberators".

That's not anti-antisemitism, that's cold, hard truth and 12 years of war-weariness combined with having friends who will never come home, because they died for some country that didn't even want them there, and didn't want their help.

And as you're in the Southern United States, if you want to knight the cause of bombing the shiat out of Iran so bad, go over to Israel yourself and sign up for the IDF.
 
2012-11-01 08:21:13 AM  

BronyMedic: Have you been snorting bath salts?Seriously. I don't think you even realize how brain-numbingly stupid you sound trotting out CONSPIRACY THEORIES and anti-semitic talking points, including the freakin' Elder Protocols of Zion in response to criticism of Israeli chestbanging. Look. I get it. Israel is the "Nuke the Moon" country. They want to be so batshiat insane that NO ONE messes with them.Guess what? For the last 20 years, Israel has popped off about how Iran will develop the bomb in a WEEK unless the US does something about it. Every week goes by without a nuclear explosion, somehow. Even if I took the Israelis seriously on this, they've cried wolf too many damn times on the international stage.Do you honestly think that the UN, controlled by the biggest business partners of Israel, such as the US, the EU, and China, are going to seek a war of annihilation against them? Are you really that dellerious?You're blithering hatred of anyone who dares criticize the Israeli government for legitimate issues has eliminated even your ability to comprehend even typed word. The fact that you'd accuse me of being Anti-Semitic, because the posturing they make in their foreign policy while using the United States as the big brother to run and hide behind annoys me, because it will be American lives in the next brushfire war that will be fighting and dying over a number of countries which, like Iraq, DON'T WANT US THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.No one likes Iran. Not Israel. Not Saudi Arabia. Not Iraq. Not Kuwait.No one.But they hate the United States more. We're the big, bad Christian imperialist crusaders.The fact that you ignore is that whenever the US meddles over there, it's viewed as imperialistic war-mongering and as a religious conflict, even when there are legitimate reasons to perform military action. And NO ONE wants us there.I'd rather have American soldiers at home, with their families, than dying in the sand for some country that doesn't want us there in the first place, ...


Israel committed ethnic cleansing against its own citizens in the Gaza Strip in pursuit of the promise of peace. Your insistence that you can read their minds and reveal their conspiracy to start a war in spite of all their actions in the futile pursuit of peace is what makes your arguments identical to the "revelations of Jewish conspiracies" recounted in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

/and I know your psychic powers are a fraud, because you've just proven you can't even read my simple mind, let alone the minds of the entire Israeli government
 
2012-11-01 09:23:29 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Israel committed ethnic cleansing against its own citizens in the Gaza Strip in pursuit of the promise of peace. Your insistence that you can read their minds and reveal their conspiracy to start a war in spite of all their actions in the futile pursuit of peace is what makes your arguments identical to the "revelations of Jewish conspiracies" recounted in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."


You're pretty much bugfark, aren't you? So noted.
 
2012-11-01 01:15:04 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Israel committed ethnic cleansing against its own citizens in the Gaza Strip in pursuit of the promise of peace. Your insistence that you can read their minds and reveal their conspiracy to start a war in spite of all their actions in the futile pursuit of peace is what makes your arguments identical to the "revelations of Jewish conspiracies" recounted in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

/and I know your psychic powers are a fraud, because you've just proven you can't even read my simple mind, let alone the minds of the entire Israeli government


people.virginia.edu
people.virginia.edu

It is my sincere belief that you need to seek serious mental health intervention for the delusional, paranoid fantasies you exhibit.. The fact that you believe that anyone who criticizes a government is automatically a hatemonger against a creed of people is insane. The fact of the matter is that it is WELL DOCUMENTED that Israel has postured for decades about a nuclear Iran. In addition, the Samson Option basically states how balls-out insane the Israeli military is. Their plan in the event of being pushed into the sea is to NUKE EVERYONE.

So, either stop being a pathetic troll, or seriously, seek help.
 
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