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2012-10-31 09:29:44 AM  
molempire.com

oblig?
 
2012-10-31 10:13:42 AM  
Mother nature sure knows how to clean house.
 
2012-10-31 10:37:35 AM  
This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian
 
2012-10-31 10:38:29 AM  
I remember all my life
Raining down as cold as ice

Ohhh Sandy
 
2012-10-31 10:43:36 AM  
Fake. Pixels. Etc.
 
2012-10-31 10:43:37 AM  
This isn't like Joe Theismann's leg break or Japan's tsunami.

Disappointed at at the lack of destruction and gore...
 
2012-10-31 10:45:42 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com

Isn't that Lex Luthor's swimming pool?
 
2012-10-31 10:46:54 AM  

JerkStore: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x369]

Isn't that Lex Luthor's swimming pool?


OTISBURGH!!!!
 
2012-10-31 10:47:46 AM  
Selfish, trivial question: Did Pommes Frites (123 2nd Avenue) make it, or did it end up in the East Village dunk tank?
 
2012-10-31 10:48:02 AM  

SlothB77: oblig?


How can you joke about this? Hurricane/TS Sandy was the 2nd-worst Situation to ever befall Jersey Shore!
 
2012-10-31 10:48:07 AM  

kindms: JerkStore: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x369]

Isn't that Lex Luthor's swimming pool?

OTISBURGH!!!!


a strong play.
 
2012-10-31 10:50:06 AM  
Dear New Jersey:
this is what you get for Snooki and the rest of those reality show clowns.

Signed
God
 
2012-10-31 10:50:25 AM  

factoryconnection: SlothB77: oblig?

How can you joke about this? Hurricane/TS Sandy was the 2nd-worst Situation to ever befall Jersey Shore!


You should be ashamed you know one of the names from that shiat awful show.

/oh wait
 
2012-10-31 10:50:39 AM  
The media can probably get two more days of hype value, if they play it right.
 
2012-10-31 10:51:00 AM  
why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?
 
2012-10-31 10:51:14 AM  
all they were missing was lootie!
 
2012-10-31 10:52:17 AM  

kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?


Well, I guess they could have taken their cars apart and put them back together on top of the buildings next to the cranes.
 
2012-10-31 10:52:18 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com

Stretching out to get three feet closer really got that shot!
 
2012-10-31 10:55:40 AM  
"Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas
 
2012-10-31 10:56:24 AM  

JackieRabbit: The media can probably get two more days of hype value, if they play it right.


Yeah.
Especially since it's the worst storm ever to hit the northeast and the metro NYC area.
Hype indeed.
 
2012-10-31 10:56:47 AM  
Thanks for reminding me why I bought a house inland...like hundreds of miles inland and well above sea level.

/good luck with the clean up and rebuilding...just wow
 
TWX
2012-10-31 10:56:56 AM  

dothemath: "Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas


Or a knocked over lawn chair?
 
2012-10-31 10:57:35 AM  

freewill: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

Well, I guess they could have taken their cars apart and put them back together on top of the buildings next to the cranes.


or say... drove away?
no.. I know.. thats crazy talk sorry
 
2012-10-31 10:57:54 AM  

kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?


This right here. I know parking is gawd-awful expensive and challenging in New York City: but if I lived there and had a car, my first move would have been to get that thing uptown and into an above ground garage.

IMHO any of those people who submit an insurance claim for a flooded car in lower Manhattan should have it denied.
 
2012-10-31 10:58:18 AM  

JackieRabbit: The media can probably get two more days of hype value, if they play it right.


Romney can blame his defeat on it
 
2012-10-31 10:58:21 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com

The final minutes of the Chum Dumpster.
 
2012-10-31 11:02:58 AM  

dothemath: "Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas


Yeah, but this time the water was pushed into a REAL city, not some podunk town like Houston.
 
2012-10-31 11:03:15 AM  

kvinesknows: freewill: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

Well, I guess they could have taken their cars apart and put them back together on top of the buildings next to the cranes.

or say... drove away?
no.. I know.. thats crazy talk sorry


Agreed, but I don't think most people understood that this would be severe enough to prompt them to actually leave town.

I'm not sure I would have, although we did discuss leaving our upstate city if it looked like we were going to face a prolonged power outage.
 
2012-10-31 11:04:22 AM  
Server is farked.
 
2012-10-31 11:05:58 AM  

freewill: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

Well, I guess they could have taken their cars apart and put them back together on top of the buildings next to the cranes.


Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.
 
2012-10-31 11:06:44 AM  

Father_Jack: JackieRabbit: The media can probably get two more days of hype value, if they play it right.

Romney can blame his defeat on it


I think lack of media attention on the election hurts Obama more.
 
2012-10-31 11:07:14 AM  
Ok, so I'm sure Sandy did some serious damage in unexpected places, but those before/after photos were just idiotic. They're places right on the water or underground. One was due to a fire.

The OC fishing pier? Really? That things been destroyed by nature and rebuilt so many times I've lost count.
 
2012-10-31 11:08:38 AM  

jack21221: dothemath: "Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas

Yeah, but this time the water was pushed into a REAL city, not some podunk town like Houston.


Yes, a REAL city that, apparently has never seen a big rainstorm before. I hope the NYT doesn't run out of ink, haha.
 
2012-10-31 11:09:47 AM  

mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.


*shrug* Like I said, I don't think most people understood what this was or what it was going to do. As people have said on other threads, they don't exactly see a lot of this in Manhattan.

Upstate, some people were looking around at 8 PM going "well, where the fark is all the water? I guess nothing happened". They thought it was like a tornado warning, and that it was all supposed to be over in about 15 minutes. There was zero understanding of the dangers pose by sustained winds, etc. Even when it was explained to them, people just didn't 'get' what you were describing to them. To some people, it's not a real thing that can actually happen until they've seen it, and we've certainly heard plenty of quotes from NYC along those lines in the last two days or so. ("I underestimated this, it's way worse than I imagined outside", etc.)
 
2012-10-31 11:12:39 AM  
Stephanie Abrams has jumped the shark.
She's at Breezy Point talking about how cars were floated out of their parking spaces.
???
 
2012-10-31 11:13:27 AM  

mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.


...and, for the record, I'd be genuinely surprised if that was an option. Parking is hard enough to come by when underground is an option. I sincerely doubt there is enough above ground parking in Manhattan for all the people who wanted it, so at that point, you're talking about actually leaving the city.
 
2012-10-31 11:17:52 AM  
Sugar Bowl in Breezy Point, NY

i282.photobucket.com

And something positive

i282.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 11:20:22 AM  
Obama needs to splice together Romney mocking him on rising sea level with NJ cities being under watered and downtown Manhattan flooded.
 
2012-10-31 11:22:57 AM  

freewill: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.

...and, for the record, I'd be genuinely surprised if that was an option. Parking is hard enough to come by when underground is an option. I sincerely doubt there is enough above ground parking in Manhattan for all the people who wanted it, so at that point, you're talking about actually leaving the city.


Hardly. I lived in Chicago for a couple of years and darn well know the challenges of big city parking. I'm sure there were a number of options more uptown and above ground: those people were just being cheap. They probably had already paid monthly parking in those underground garages didn't want to pay again for safer parking.

I knew people in Chicago who thought I was a freak for moving my car to a covered garage when a big ice or snow storm was forecasted.
 
2012-10-31 11:23:18 AM  
God Bless all the people affected.

(you do know this is going to happen again, right?)
 
2012-10-31 11:23:47 AM  

Gunny Highway: Sugar Bowl in Breezy Point, NY

[i282.photobucket.com image 623x351]

And something positive

[i282.photobucket.com image 850x850]


Breezy Pant? Is that like shorts or something?
 
2012-10-31 11:24:48 AM  

thornhill: Obama needs to splice together Romney mocking him on rising sea level with NJ cities being under watered and downtown Manhattan flooded.


I'd settle for SNL using that scenario as a basis for a skit.
 
2012-10-31 11:25:16 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: God Bless all the people affected.

(you do know this is going to happen again, right?)


They'll rebuild again with our tax dollars and insurance money.

/Welcome to the new normal.
 
2012-10-31 11:25:28 AM  
And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
bestof.longislandpress.com

After
www.mauibeachtanning.net
 
2012-10-31 11:27:55 AM  

WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian


While I'm not taking away from the destruction in any way, I think that Florida is constructed so that a lot of the damage you see up there wouldn't happen here. Of course if the storm is a Cat 4 or 5, that's a game changer.
 
2012-10-31 11:28:51 AM  

thornhill: Obama needs to splice together Romney mocking him on rising sea level with NJ cities being under watered and downtown Manhattan flooded.


Rising sea levels and storm surge from a hurricane are not the same thing.

Not saying that it's not occurring; this would just be a stupid example.
 
2012-10-31 11:29:35 AM  

mjohnson71: They probably had already paid monthly parking in those underground garages didn't want to pay again for safer parking.


Cheaper to drive to Albany and put the car in Long Term Parking at the airport.
 
2012-10-31 11:30:30 AM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before


After


But not smart enough to spell where correctly.

/you'll sink in the ocean soon enough
//thanks for that second pic though
 
2012-10-31 11:34:02 AM  
I used to work in the building at #6!
It's down at the bottom of Manhattan.
What a freaky mess.
 
2012-10-31 11:34:06 AM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]


You avoid the hurricanes but at least the ground out here has the good sense to stay put.
 
2012-10-31 11:34:58 AM  
I want to see some aerial shots of Jersey like they made of Texas after Ike.

This is destruction:

graphics8.nytimes.com 

Bolivar Peninsula got pounded/leveled.

I hope all those in the path of Sandy are recovering well.
 
2012-10-31 11:35:10 AM  

dothemath: jack21221: dothemath: "Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas

Yeah, but this time the water was pushed into a REAL city, not some podunk town like Houston.

Yes, a REAL city that, apparently has never seen a big rainstorm before. I hope the NYT doesn't run out of ink, haha.


That water wasn't from the rain, you idiot.
 
2012-10-31 11:36:56 AM  
Before:

i.imgur.com

After:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-31 11:37:29 AM  

mjohnson71: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

This right here. I know parking is gawd-awful expensive and challenging in New York City: but if I lived there and had a car, my first move would have been to get that thing uptown and into an above ground garage.

IMHO any of those people who submit an insurance claim for a flooded car in lower Manhattan should have it denied.


You don't seem to get the concept of limited parking space. Uptown garage-space is not infinite; it is also very expensive.
 
2012-10-31 11:37:45 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: mjohnson71: They probably had already paid monthly parking in those underground garages didn't want to pay again for safer parking.

Cheaper to drive to Albany and put the car in Long Term Parking at the airport.


Probably; but still cheaper than replacing your car.

Hell, I've been to NYC multiple times and parked my car at a friend's in Yonkers then taken the train the rest of the way into Manhattan. Worked great.
 
2012-10-31 11:37:46 AM  
That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-31 11:38:31 AM  

mjohnson71: Hardly. I lived in Chicago for a couple of years and darn well know the challenges of big city parking. I'm sure there were a number of options more uptown and above ground: those people were just being cheap. They probably had already paid monthly parking in those underground garages didn't want to pay again for safer parking.

I knew people in Chicago who thought I was a freak for moving my car to a covered garage when a big ice or snow storm was forecasted.


I'm absolutely certain that you are correct that this was most of it. There's actually a story today about a parking attendant who drowned in a basement garage, despite getting repeated warnings that they were free to leave. Apparently, they just had no idea that this was a realistic fear, and I'd imagine that many others thought their cars were safer under the ground than above it.

That said, I could have phrased that better by saying "people who needed it" rather than "people who wanted it", but anecdotally, I do believe that above ground parking is much, much more widely available in downtown Chicago than in Manhattan.
 
2012-10-31 11:39:28 AM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]


Yeah, why live in hurricane alley when you can live on the most active fault line in the continent.
 
2012-10-31 11:39:31 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: thornhill: Obama needs to splice together Romney mocking him on rising sea level with NJ cities being under watered and downtown Manhattan flooded.

Rising sea levels and storm surge from a hurricane are not the same thing.

Not saying that it's not occurring; this would just be a stupid example.


Wait, we're suddenly concerned with the hard facts?

All the ad needs to say is: this is what will happen more often when the sea level rises.
 
2012-10-31 11:40:37 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: God Bless all the people affected.

(you do know this is going to happen again, right?)


Yep, God does work in mysterious ways.
 
2012-10-31 11:40:41 AM  

you have pee hands: Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]

You avoid the hurricanes but at least the ground out here has the good sense to stay put.


When the ground is shaking it is not all bad
img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com

I had a better pic but Fark kept Farking it up
 
2012-10-31 11:41:46 AM  

fatalvenom: WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian

While I'm not taking away from the destruction in any way, I think that Florida is constructed so that a lot of the damage you see up there wouldn't happen here. Of course if the storm is a Cat 4 or 5, that's a game changer.


Yes, job-killing regulations about making buildings being able to withstand hurricanes when you build in a hurricane zone are usually worth it. Same with earthquake zoning in California.

I am also guessing that Florida doesn't have much in the way of underground parking/ subway systems/basements for the exact same reason. Water comes in, floods, then recedes. But I could be wrong about that, as I'm not too well versed on Florida infrastructure.
 
2012-10-31 11:42:22 AM  

thornhill: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: thornhill: Obama needs to splice together Romney mocking him on rising sea level with NJ cities being under watered and downtown Manhattan flooded.

Rising sea levels and storm surge from a hurricane are not the same thing.

Not saying that it's not occurring; this would just be a stupid example.

Wait, we're suddenly concerned with the hard facts?

All the ad needs to say is: this is what will happen more often when the sea level rises.



benfry.com 

In that case, he should also include this chart. Since hard facts don't matter.
 
2012-10-31 11:43:01 AM  

Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]


My parents are headed there now to check the damage on their house. I am headed down this weekend to help in any way I can (which includes staying away if that is what we are told)

I picked up garbage for the houses that burned down (and many more) for a little over two years. The video was horrifying when I saw it.
 
2012-10-31 11:43:36 AM  

Heron: mjohnson71: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

This right here. I know parking is gawd-awful expensive and challenging in New York City: but if I lived there and had a car, my first move would have been to get that thing uptown and into an above ground garage.

IMHO any of those people who submit an insurance claim for a flooded car in lower Manhattan should have it denied.

You don't seem to get the concept of limited parking space. Uptown garage-space is not infinite; it is also very expensive.


I get the concept and know it's farking expensive: I've paid the $75 a night to park at the Marriott Marquis. I'm just saying there shouldn't have been a single car at or below ground level south of Houston Street.
 
2012-10-31 11:44:33 AM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]


*facepalm* Yes; New York and New Jersey get hit with hurricanes all the friggin time. This post is about as stupid as all those ones we got after Katrina and Rita saying the same-damn-thing to Texans and Louisianians. Just wait. As volatile as the weather is getting, it won't be too long before California gets hit with a mild typhoon and, as a result of your shiatty, century-old levy system, floods all the hell and gone.
 
2012-10-31 11:46:31 AM  

Gunny Highway: Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]

My parents are headed there now to check the damage on their house. I am headed down this weekend to help in any way I can (which includes staying away if that is what we are told)

I picked up garbage for the houses that burned down (and many more) for a little over two years. The video was horrifying when I saw it.


Hope there is at least something left of your parents' house, what a nightmare they're having out there.
 
2012-10-31 11:47:46 AM  

snowshovel: fatalvenom: WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian

While I'm not taking away from the destruction in any way, I think that Florida is constructed so that a lot of the damage you see up there wouldn't happen here. Of course if the storm is a Cat 4 or 5, that's a game changer.

Yes, job-killing regulations about making buildings being able to withstand hurricanes when you build in a hurricane zone are usually worth it. Same with earthquake zoning in California.

I am also guessing that Florida doesn't have much in the way of underground parking/ subway systems/basements for the exact same reason. Water comes in, floods, then recedes. But I could be wrong about that, as I'm not too well versed on Florida infrastructure.


I don't know about job killing regulations, but yes, it would make sense to build things to a code so what happened up there doesn't happen to that extent here.

That's kind of a duh.
 
2012-10-31 11:49:08 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]

My parents are headed there now to check the damage on their house. I am headed down this weekend to help in any way I can (which includes staying away if that is what we are told)

I picked up garbage for the houses that burned down (and many more) for a little over two years. The video was horrifying when I saw it.

Hope there is at least something left of your parents' house, what a nightmare they're having out there.


Thanks, man. Nobody was seriously hurt in Breezy and that is what is important. The town is strong very tight knit. It can be annoying at times but it is a blessing in times like these.
 
2012-10-31 11:51:48 AM  

fatalvenom: WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian

While I'm not taking away from the destruction in any way, I think that Florida is constructed so that a lot of the damage you see up there wouldn't happen here. Of course if the storm is a Cat 4 or 5, that's a game changer.


Most of the problem here is that it hit a huge area that's inhabited by 50 million + people. If one out of every 500,000 gets hit by a falling tree, that's still a crowd. I don't think there are any areas that got really wiped off the map (except that huge fire in Queens that the FD couldn't get to), but moderate damage over a really huge area adds up to a big mess. The line crews from a state over can't come to help get power lines back up because they're fixing their own mess.
 
2012-10-31 11:52:58 AM  
I am also guessing that Florida doesn't have much in the way of underground parking/ subway systems/basements for the exact same reason. Water comes in, floods, then recedes. But I could be wrong about that, as I'm not too well versed on Florida infrastructure.

Florida water table is generally within a couple of feet of the surface and the structure is very porous, so very few areas where you can go too far down without flooding.
 
2012-10-31 11:53:37 AM  

Ashrams: you have pee hands: Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]

You avoid the hurricanes but at least the ground out here has the good sense to stay put.

When the ground is shaking it is not all bad
[img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com image 128x160]

I had a better pic but Fark kept Farking it up


I'm thinking more along the line of your lovely hillsides that regularly decide to slough off for no good reason.
 
2012-10-31 11:54:18 AM  

Gunny Highway: Thanks, man. Nobody was seriously hurt in Breezy and that is what is important. The town is strong very tight knit. It can be annoying at times but it is a blessing in times like these.


Yeah, I saw one woman snap at a reporter this morning for referring to it as "Breezy Point, Queens". She said, "no, it's just Breezy Point." Gotta love that.
 
2012-10-31 11:55:25 AM  

Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 11:55:36 AM  

you have pee hands: fatalvenom: WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian

While I'm not taking away from the destruction in any way, I think that Florida is constructed so that a lot of the damage you see up there wouldn't happen here. Of course if the storm is a Cat 4 or 5, that's a game changer.

Most of the problem here is that it hit a huge area that's inhabited by 50 million + people. If one out of every 500,000 gets hit by a falling tree, that's still a crowd. I don't think there are any areas that got really wiped off the map (except that huge fire in Queens that the FD couldn't get to), but moderate damage over a really huge area adds up to a big mess. The line crews from a state over can't come to help get power lines back up because they're fixing their own mess.


I thought they said power crews were coming in from as far away as New Mexico and Utah?
 
2012-10-31 11:56:19 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: Thanks, man. Nobody was seriously hurt in Breezy and that is what is important. The town is strong very tight knit. It can be annoying at times but it is a blessing in times like these.

Yeah, I saw one woman snap at a reporter this morning for referring to it as "Breezy Point, Queens". She said, "no, it's just Breezy Point." Gotta love that.


Haha. I wouldnt be surprised if it was a relative. I fear that this may cause an already isolated, separatist community to get worse. But those are concerns for later.
 
2012-10-31 11:57:23 AM  

Droog8912: Yeah, why live in hurricane alley when you can live on the most active fault line in the continent.


Also: both of those pictures came from somewhere other than the West Coast, more likely Hawai'i based on the URLs, water color, and whatnot. Hawai'i, as most people are aware, is a volcanic archipelago. Tick, tock as well.
 
2012-10-31 11:58:05 AM  
So, a lot of people did not evacuate the flood zones in the city despite Bloomberg issuing a "mandatory" evacuation. A lot of these people are saying on TV right now that they had no idea how bad it would be, and are mad at the city for not doing more to warn them. That's a separate issue. My question is - what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave. I'm not surprised that some young people tried to ride it out, but the elderly or debilitated folks who tried to stay and the parents who decided to keep their children there just blow my mind.
 
2012-10-31 11:58:08 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: Thanks, man. Nobody was seriously hurt in Breezy and that is what is important. The town is strong very tight knit. It can be annoying at times but it is a blessing in times like these.

Yeah, I saw one woman snap at a reporter this morning for referring to it as "Breezy Point, Queens". She said, "no, it's just Breezy Point." Gotta love that.


So what's the deal? They don't view themselves as part of Queens?
 
2012-10-31 12:05:03 PM  

mjohnson71: So what's the deal? They don't view themselves as part of Queens?


Not especially, it's at the far western tip of the Rockaway peninsula, which extends from southern Queens but is actually connected by roadway to Brooklyn. One of my friends grew up further east on the Rockaways in Belle Harbor and while his mailing address was Queens his high school was in Brooklyn. They have their own identity out there, mostly.
 
2012-10-31 12:07:54 PM  

freewill: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.

...and, for the record, I'd be genuinely surprised if that was an option. Parking is hard enough to come by when underground is an option. I sincerely doubt there is enough above ground parking in Manhattan for all the people who wanted it, so at that point, you're talking about actually leaving the city.


So you park in an illegal spot and have the city tow it to a parking lot is still a TON cheaper than having your car flooded unless it is worth more totalled. I know I would have left my car down there if I had the option.
 
2012-10-31 12:09:54 PM  

freewill: Selfish, trivial question: Did Pommes Frites (123 2nd Avenue) make it, or did it end up in the East Village dunk tank?


I have a friend who lives on 15th and 2nd, and he seems to have made it okay. Lost power though.
 
2012-10-31 12:10:23 PM  

freewill: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.

*shrug* Like I said, I don't think most people understood what this was or what it was going to do. As people have said on other threads, they don't exactly see a lot of this in Manhattan.

Upstate, some people were looking around at 8 PM going "well, where the fark is all the water? I guess nothing happened". They thought it was like a tornado warning, and that it was all supposed to be over in about 15 minutes. There was zero understanding of the dangers pose by sustained winds, etc. Even when it was explained to them, people just didn't 'get' what you were describing to them. To some people, it's not a real thing that can actually happen until they've seen it, and we've certainly heard plenty of quotes from NYC along those lines in the last two days or so. ("I underestimated this, it's way worse than I imagined outside", etc.)


It also was a lot worse than forecasts suggested. The highest storm surge forecast was 6 to 11 feet, for example. The storm surge at Battery Park was nearly 14 feet, and those last three feet made all the difference in overwhelming the subway system, the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel, the PATH system, and a lot of other underground infrastructure that would have survived an 11 foot surge.
 
2012-10-31 12:10:26 PM  

nonvideas: So, a lot of people did not evacuate the flood zones in the city despite Bloomberg issuing a "mandatory" evacuation. A lot of these people are saying on TV right now that they had no idea how bad it would be, and are mad at the city for not doing more to warn them. That's a separate issue. My question is - what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave. I'm not surprised that some young people tried to ride it out, but the elderly or debilitated folks who tried to stay and the parents who decided to keep their children there just blow my mind.


Mandatory evacuations rarely involve physically dragging people from their homes. That's very, very extreme, as in, "you are facing imminent death". As a practical matter, it would generally be impossible to enforce with masses of people. It's more like "if we see you outside, we're going to yell at you", whereas in a voluntary evacuation, you aren't doing anything wrong by staying and can still reasonably expect police assistance, etc.

In any case, I think the two issues are linked. The world told the region how bad it would be. People chose not to believe it, and in the surrounding areas that weren't hit, there's still denial that we were ever in danger. There's also a fairly common "we're New Yorkers, we've seen everything, we know what's hype and what's not" attitude (observation, not criticism) that probably played a role for some people, who didn't realize that they were largely ignorant on this topic. It's deeply unfortunate, but I personally don't see a Bloomberg and Cuomo failure in it.
 
2012-10-31 12:11:07 PM  

Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:
[i.imgur.com image 739x541]


I know the folks at Breezy Point don't like it when you point out they are part of Queens, but I didn't know they decided to move to NJ.
 
2012-10-31 12:11:51 PM  

mjohnson71: I thought they said power crews were coming in from as far away as New Mexico and Utah?


Two more places with extensive experience in dealing with hurricane damage!
 
2012-10-31 12:12:11 PM  

factoryconnection: SlothB77: oblig?

How can you joke about this? Hurricane/TS Sandy was the 2nd-worst Situation to ever befall Jersey Shore!


Barack Obama hates orange people.
 
2012-10-31 12:12:20 PM  

JerkStore: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x369]

Isn't that Lex Luthor's swimming pool?


Wow, that was... damn. Good one. 

+20 cool points for you.
 
2012-10-31 12:12:49 PM  

Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]


That's Breezy Point, Queens. It's a waterfront neighborhood in NYC. No big fires on the Jersey Shore as far as I know.
 
2012-10-31 12:13:55 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: mjohnson71: So what's the deal? They don't view themselves as part of Queens?

Not especially, it's at the far western tip of the Rockaway peninsula, which extends from southern Queens but is actually connected by roadway to Brooklyn. One of my friends grew up further east on the Rockaways in Belle Harbor and while his mailing address was Queens his high school was in Brooklyn. They have their own identity out there, mostly.


Thanks. I've been to Rockaway; just never got out to Breezy Point.
 
2012-10-31 12:14:17 PM  
I hear Obama will be stopping by NY today to tour the damage.

img223.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-31 12:15:09 PM  

Verrai: Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]

That's Breezy Point, Queens. It's a waterfront neighborhood in NYC. No big fires on the Jersey Shore as far as I know.


Yup, its in Queens... but there is a large fire in NJ as well...

Link
 
2012-10-31 12:15:55 PM  

mjohnson71: I thought they said power crews were coming in from as far away as New Mexico and Utah?


They do, but that's a lot harder than just bringing them in from a couple hours drive away like they normally can.
 
2012-10-31 12:17:55 PM  

Verrai: Wise_Guy: That section in Breezy Point, NJ where the fire were:

[i.imgur.com image 739x541]

That's Breezy Point, Queens. It's a waterfront neighborhood in NYC. No big fires on the Jersey Shore as far as I know.


Yeah. I was looking at pictures of both NY and NJ. My bad.
 
2012-10-31 12:18:16 PM  

Verrai: It also was a lot worse than forecasts suggested. The highest storm surge forecast was 6 to 11 feet, for example. The storm surge at Battery Park was nearly 14 feet, and those last three feet made all the difference in overwhelming the subway system, the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel, the PATH system, and a lot of other underground infrastructure that would have survived an 11 foot surge.


Yes. In my experience, the unpredictability was a big part of the gap in understanding.

"Oh, the forecast is just like a typical rainstorm here. This is no big deal."

"Sure, the forecast says that, but the forecast may suddenly change for the worst during the final hours and conditions will already be too severe for you to do anything about it. That's why the County Executive looks like she's constipated and all the National Guardsmen are assembling outside."

"Nah, it's the Weather Channel. We're fine. Cuomo just likes to be on TV. If the power goes out at my house, I'll just dine out."

*facepalm*
 
2012-10-31 12:19:18 PM  
The Jersey Shore house was practically untouched.

Black magic protects that house.
 
2012-10-31 12:19:27 PM  
"At one cemetery in Crisfield, Maryland, two caskets, one silver and the other bronze, rose up from the ground as the sheer force of the water unleashed by Sandy swelled the ground."
i.dailymail.co.uk

And today is Halloween, that seems a little scary.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-31 12:22:30 PM  
No pics of the Apple Store in Manhattan yet? I wonder how it fared--seeing as it was built into the ground.

You may need more sandbags.
 
2012-10-31 12:22:32 PM  

star_topology: The Jersey Shore house was practically untouched.

Black magic protects that house.


The Herp is strong.
 
2012-10-31 12:22:50 PM  

Ashrams: "At one cemetery in Crisfield, Maryland, two caskets, one silver and the other bronze, rose up from the ground as the sheer force of the water unleashed by Sandy swelled the ground."
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 636x400]

And today is Halloween, that seems a little scary.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x267]


Are those graves like down in New Orleans where they are basically right at ground level or above it? I mean the displacement of 6 feet of dirt and not touch any other graves seems odd if it isn't.
 
2012-10-31 12:26:25 PM  
ITT: people that have no idea AT ALL what it's like to park in NYC trying to tell New Yorkers how they should have parked before one of the worst, most unprecedented natural disasters in the city's history.

STFU and GBTW.
 
2012-10-31 12:27:24 PM  
At least the pirate ship will be a cool dive, once it gets to the bottom.
 
2012-10-31 12:31:11 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: ITT: people that have no idea AT ALL what it's like to park in NYC trying to tell New Yorkers how they should have parked before one of the worst, most unprecedented natural disasters in the city's history.

STFU and GBTW.


What stopped you from parking anywhere and having it towed for $200? Is $200 worth your car?
 
2012-10-31 12:32:11 PM  
Also, for all the shiat we Arizona-ites get for being nuts for living in hot weather:
All I have to deal with is driving 80 through a haboob every once in a while and the occasional monsoon that blows a saguaro over.

/...And bad politicians... actually I'll trade Joe Arpaio and Jan Brewer for Sandy kthx
 
2012-10-31 12:33:08 PM  

dothemath: "Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas


Eh, this is probably the most expensive real estate in the United States. The downtown Manhattan ones. Gonna be real, real expensive to clean up.

/nearly was rained/flooded out of my first trip to Europe out of Houston Intercontinental. Thankfully only west Houston was overflowing.
 
2012-10-31 12:36:29 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: ITT: people that have no idea AT ALL what it's like to park in NYC trying to tell New Yorkers how they should have parked before one of the worst, most unprecedented natural disasters in the city's history.

STFU and GBTW.


Because parking your car underground is a good idea when flooding might occur.

/I know what its like to park in NYC
 
2012-10-31 12:42:50 PM  
Heh, someone on my Facebook posted an obviously fake picture of a subway platform underwater with a diver in scuba gear. He still didn't believe it was fake.
 
2012-10-31 12:44:45 PM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]


Pictured. Two models waiting for the earth to open up and swallow them whole.
 
2012-10-31 12:44:51 PM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos


They prefer unpredictable earthquakes and yearly hundred thousand acre wild fires.
 
2012-10-31 12:46:42 PM  

LOTN: I'm thinking more along the line of your lovely hillsides that regularly decide to slough off for no good reason.


Or catch fire when somebody rubs their hands together fast enough.
 
2012-10-31 12:46:57 PM  

flynn80: Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

They prefer unpredictable earthquakes and yearly hundred thousand acre wild fires.


You forgot mudslides.
 
2012-10-31 12:47:14 PM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]


We can only hope you're standing directly on the fault line when the next earthquake hits.
 
2012-10-31 12:49:33 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: ITT: people that have no idea AT ALL what it's like to park in NYC trying to tell New Yorkers how they should have parked before one of the worst, most unprecedented natural disasters in the city's history.

STFU and GBTW.


Didn't we have like 2 days of advance notice? If not that, then at least 24 hours.

Isn't that enough time to move your car...especially on a weekend?
 
2012-10-31 12:52:10 PM  

Indolent: Mother nature sure knows how to clean house.


cache-images.pronto.com
 
2012-10-31 12:52:36 PM  
blogs.orlandosentinel.com

www.thedailygreen.com
 
2012-10-31 12:58:03 PM  

Ashrams: I hear Obama will be stopping by NY today to tour the damage.

[img223.imageshack.us image 606x371]


Was just going to ask. In all those pics, where's Lootie?

P.S.
Before and after pics really only work when standing at least close to same spot.
 
2012-10-31 01:05:29 PM  

kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?


I was laughing at the car wrapped in plastic, wondering why they didn't just garage it if they were really worried. I realized a lot of garages are underground. Maybe they just chose poorly between the threat of wind debris and flooding. Or didn't think about it until subway closed?

Personally, I'd have put in the extra effort to move my car, even if it meant I went with it.

\Don't buy any used cars from the East Coast for a while.
 
2012-10-31 01:08:40 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

I was laughing at the car wrapped in plastic, wondering why they didn't just garage it if they were really worried. I realized a lot of garages are underground. Maybe they just chose poorly between the threat of wind debris and flooding. Or didn't think about it until subway closed?

Personally, I'd have put in the extra effort to move my car, even if it meant I went with it.

\Don't buy any used cars from the East Coast for a while.


My parents car was destroyed in an underground garage. Have you ever tried to park in Hoboken? Never mind during a storm when you are trying to get to safety. It seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did. Judgement call and they lost.
 
2012-10-31 01:09:15 PM  
www.ramblingjohn.com

/upper west side
 
2012-10-31 01:10:25 PM  

Gunny Highway: seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did.


"seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did. "

perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.
 
2012-10-31 01:13:47 PM  

TNel: What stopped you from parking anywhere and having it towed for $200? Is $200 worth your car?


Depends whether or not the impound lot gets flooded out. I think it's near the Intrepid on the Hudson so it might have ended up under water.
 
2012-10-31 01:15:01 PM  

snowshovel: fatalvenom: WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian

While I'm not taking away from the destruction in any way, I think that Florida is constructed so that a lot of the damage you see up there wouldn't happen here. Of course if the storm is a Cat 4 or 5, that's a game changer.

Yes, job-killing regulations about making buildings being able to withstand hurricanes when you build in a hurricane zone are usually worth it. Same with earthquake zoning in California.

I am also guessing that Florida doesn't have much in the way of underground parking/ subway systems/basements for the exact same reason. Water comes in, floods, then recedes. But I could be wrong about that, as I'm not too well versed on Florida infrastructure.


I know in coastal Texas there's an abundance of funny looking office buildings with these tiny little ground floors: no more than a reception desk and an elevator bay. The rest of the building looms over that, propped up on stilts. After the hurricane, your lobby gets redecorated, and that's all.
 
2012-10-31 01:18:57 PM  
I'm puzzled about the "HMS Bounty". WTF were those folks doing trying to sail that thing down to Florida during the big, fracking storm!? They had damn near a week's notice that the shiat was gonna hit the fan.
 
2012-10-31 01:19:27 PM  

mjohnson71: freewill: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

Well, I guess they could have taken their cars apart and put them back together on top of the buildings next to the cranes.

Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.


You obviously don't go anywhere where parking is scarce with a lot of people wanting that one spot.
 
2012-10-31 01:20:41 PM  

kvinesknows: Gunny Highway: seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did.

"seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did. "

perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.


Yeah.
 
2012-10-31 01:22:35 PM  

WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian


Was it?

/Grew up on the Gulf.
 
2012-10-31 01:23:23 PM  

mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.


No, crazy talk is assuming there were thousands of available parking spots in above ground lots just waiting to be used.
 
2012-10-31 01:23:23 PM  
Well, it's a start.

img191.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-31 01:24:16 PM  

boyvoyeur: Well, it's a start.

[img191.imageshack.us image 739x541]


I have no idea how people can stand to live that farking close to each other.
 
2012-10-31 01:24:20 PM  

kvinesknows: Gunny Highway: seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did.

"seemed like the safe play at the time because they never thought the water would get as high as it did. "

perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.


I will say that the parking situation in Hoboken may not have been easy info to find. They were leaving Zone A in Queens/BK. My mother isnt one to ignore advice. The garage was 15ish blocks away so, as I said before, I'm sure they thought they were playing it safe.

Havent had a chance to speak with them too much so I cant say for sure.
 
2012-10-31 01:25:27 PM  

Hack Patooey: boyvoyeur: Well, it's a start.

[img191.imageshack.us image 739x541]

I have no idea how people can stand to live that farking close to each other.


It isnt that bad.
 
2012-10-31 01:25:45 PM  

boyvoyeur: Well, it's a start.

[img191.imageshack.us image 739x541]


"No, Mr Insurance Agent, the fire destroyed my house not the flood. My policy covers fire."
 
2012-10-31 01:29:32 PM  

nonvideas: So, a lot of people did not evacuate the flood zones in the city despite Bloomberg issuing a "mandatory" evacuation. A lot of these people are saying on TV right now that they had no idea how bad it would be, and are mad at the city for not doing more to warn them. That's a separate issue. My question is - what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave. I'm not surprised that some young people tried to ride it out, but the elderly or debilitated folks who tried to stay and the parents who decided to keep their children there just blow my mind.


Have you ever even been to America?
 
2012-10-31 01:33:22 PM  

hutchkc: mjohnson71: freewill: kvinesknows: why in gods name would people park underground when there is risk of flooding?

Well, I guess they could have taken their cars apart and put them back together on top of the buildings next to the cranes.

Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.

You obviously don't go anywhere where parking is scarce with a lot of people wanting that one spot.


the were warning WELL WELL WELL in advance that people should evac... I assume parking would have been fine at whatever shelter or hotel they went to.
 
2012-10-31 01:36:38 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

/I know: crazy talk.

No, crazy talk is assuming there were thousands of available parking spots in above ground lots just waiting to be used.


Let me go passive aggressive:
Fine, you're right. Everyone that parked their cars underground in advance of the monster storm are without fault. They did nothing wrong. Brand new cars for everyone.
 
2012-10-31 01:37:02 PM  

DittoToo: WienerButt: This storm was some serious shiat.

/Floridian

Was it?

/Grew up on the Gulf.


I've been in Florida longer than I lived in NY. Only have been in one hurricane and that was in NY.

/works in mysterious ways
 
2012-10-31 01:38:01 PM  

Hack Patooey: boyvoyeur: Well, it's a start.

[img191.imageshack.us image 739x541]

I have no idea how people can stand to live that farking close to each other.


This. Give me the creeps just looking at it. Like a beehive or a termite mound.
 
2012-10-31 01:39:19 PM  
My folks live in Rehoboth Beach DE they made it through fine. I was worried about them because they have both had surgery in the last 3 months, so they are not as mobile. Im going up this weekend for punkin chunkin and to help the ole man do a little cleaning up.
 
2012-10-31 01:44:58 PM  

groppet: My folks live in Rehoboth Beach DE they made it through fine. I was worried about them because they have both had surgery in the last 3 months, so they are not as mobile. Im going up this weekend for punkin chunkin and to help the ole man do a little cleaning up.


What be this "punkin chunkin"?

Sounds intriguing . . .
 
2012-10-31 01:45:36 PM  

mjohnson71: Dear New Jersey:
this is what you get for Snooki and the rest of those reality show clowns.

Signed
God


Snooki is from New York.

Signed,
Native New Jerseyan
 
2012-10-31 01:49:21 PM  
Didn't the History Channel cover this in its docu-shock series, "It Could Happen Tomorrow"? (Or was the Weather Channel? I can't remember for sure.) But it seems like one scenario was a hurricane hitting NYC.
 
2012-10-31 01:52:04 PM  

PrivateCaboose: mjohnson71: Dear New Jersey:
this is what you get for Snooki and the rest of those reality show clowns.

Signed
God

Snooki is from New York.

Signed,
Native New Jerseyan


Dear God,
I apologize for this "native New Jerseyan's" Holier than thou attitude in correcting you.
Seems to me that BOTH NY and NJ got farked, amiright?
Nice shootin', my Lord.
Native Tornado Alley resident
 
2012-10-31 01:53:36 PM  

kvinesknows: the were warning WELL WELL WELL in advance that people should evac... I assume parking would have been fine at whatever shelter or hotel they went to.


They told people to take public transportation or taxis if they were going to the shelters because there WOULD NOT be available parking. Mayor Bloomberg was very clear about that on either Saturday or Sunday before the storm hit and well before MTA service was suspended. Parking at hotels is also limited, because most people staying in Manhattan do not drive here.

mjohnson71: Let me go passive aggressive:
Fine, you're right. Everyone that parked their cars underground in advance of the monster storm are without fault. They did nothing wrong. Brand new cars for everyone.


That's not passive aggressive, that's being an ignorant asshole.
 
2012-10-31 01:59:02 PM  
This reporter survived a trip across the Hudson in a porta-potty. The after video is below.

Reporter survives Hurricane Sandy in Porta-Potty
 
2012-10-31 02:04:19 PM  

skullkrusher: [www.ramblingjohn.com image 486x314]

/upper west side


I see what you did there!

/+1
 
2012-10-31 02:10:11 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: kvinesknows: the were warning WELL WELL WELL in advance that people should evac... I assume parking would have been fine at whatever shelter or hotel they went to.

They told people to take public transportation or taxis if they were going to the shelters because there WOULD NOT be available parking. Mayor Bloomberg was very clear about that on either Saturday or Sunday before the storm hit and well before MTA service was suspended. Parking at hotels is also limited, because most people staying in Manhattan do not drive here.

mjohnson71: Let me go passive aggressive:
Fine, you're right. Everyone that parked their cars underground in advance of the monster storm are without fault. They did nothing wrong. Brand new cars for everyone.

That's not passive aggressive, that's being an ignorant asshole.


Drive an hour to a hotel outside the area. My god if I cared about my car and I knew there was a massive rain storm coming there is no way in hell I would park it underground. It's not be ignorant they were being lazy. They couldn't care less about it because their car insurance will cover it. Like I said before I would have left my car there also, worth more destroyed at this point and I bet that's why a lot of people did it.
 
2012-10-31 02:10:48 PM  

WorthNoting: groppet: My folks live in Rehoboth Beach DE they made it through fine. I was worried about them because they have both had surgery in the last 3 months, so they are not as mobile. Im going up this weekend for punkin chunkin and to help the ole man do a little cleaning up.

What be this "punkin chunkin"?

Sounds intriguing . . .


Never seen a pumpkin fired out of a homemade cannon before?

media.popularmechanics.com

/hotlinked like its going out of style
 
2012-10-31 02:11:10 PM  

freewill: nonvideas: So, a lot of people did not evacuate the flood zones in the city despite Bloomberg issuing a "mandatory" evacuation. A lot of these people are saying on TV right now that they had no idea how bad it would be, and are mad at the city for not doing more to warn them. That's a separate issue. My question is - what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave. I'm not surprised that some young people tried to ride it out, but the elderly or debilitated folks who tried to stay and the parents who decided to keep their children there just blow my mind.

Mandatory evacuations rarely involve physically dragging people from their homes. That's very, very extreme, as in, "you are facing imminent death". As a practical matter, it would generally be impossible to enforce with masses of people. It's more like "if we see you outside, we're going to yell at you", whereas in a voluntary evacuation, you aren't doing anything wrong by staying and can still reasonably expect police assistance, etc.


Yeah, the best you can do is scare people, really. I heard that during Irene some cops went door to door with waivers for stay behinds to sign saying they understood that EMS folks weren't coming to get them. And Texas authorities told stay behinds to write their SSN's on their arm so they could id their bodies.
 
2012-10-31 02:11:51 PM  

TNel: Yanks_RSJ: kvinesknows: the were warning WELL WELL WELL in advance that people should evac... I assume parking would have been fine at whatever shelter or hotel they went to.

They told people to take public transportation or taxis if they were going to the shelters because there WOULD NOT be available parking. Mayor Bloomberg was very clear about that on either Saturday or Sunday before the storm hit and well before MTA service was suspended. Parking at hotels is also limited, because most people staying in Manhattan do not drive here.

mjohnson71: Let me go passive aggressive:
Fine, you're right. Everyone that parked their cars underground in advance of the monster storm are without fault. They did nothing wrong. Brand new cars for everyone.

That's not passive aggressive, that's being an ignorant asshole.

Drive an hour to a hotel outside the area. My god if I cared about my car and I knew there was a massive rain storm coming there is no way in hell I would park it underground. It's not be ignorant they were being lazy. They couldn't care less about it because their car insurance will cover it. Like I said before I would have left my car there also, worth more destroyed at this point and I bet that's why a lot of people did it.


I dont know about anyone else but I can assure you my parents didnt park their car under ground with a "the insurance will cover it: attitude.
 
2012-10-31 02:22:19 PM  
Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
 
2012-10-31 02:23:51 PM  

Spade: freewill: nonvideas: So, a lot of people did not evacuate the flood zones in the city despite Bloomberg issuing a "mandatory" evacuation. A lot of these people are saying on TV right now that they had no idea how bad it would be, and are mad at the city for not doing more to warn them. That's a separate issue. My question is - what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave. I'm not surprised that some young people tried to ride it out, but the elderly or debilitated folks who tried to stay and the parents who decided to keep their children there just blow my mind.

Mandatory evacuations rarely involve physically dragging people from their homes. That's very, very extreme, as in, "you are facing imminent death". As a practical matter, it would generally be impossible to enforce with masses of people. It's more like "if we see you outside, we're going to yell at you", whereas in a voluntary evacuation, you aren't doing anything wrong by staying and can still reasonably expect police assistance, etc.

Yeah, the best you can do is scare people, really. I heard that during Irene some cops went door to door with waivers for stay behinds to sign saying they understood that EMS folks weren't coming to get them. And Texas authorities told stay behinds to write their SSN's on their arm so they could id their bodies.


You guys are absolutely right, options are very limited. I'm not advocating dragging people from their homes. But the NYPD is writing summons for being in a public park right now, or for surfing on the waves before the storm hit....if you're going to declare a mandatory evacuation, why not have SOME force of law behind it and let people know they'll be appearing in court or facing fines if they don't leave?

/not sure why I'm advocating for increased police/state powers...
 
2012-10-31 02:24:05 PM  
Remember though, if you are prepared for disasters the current administration considers you a terrorist.
 
2012-10-31 02:26:50 PM  
The bums are going to have to work overtime to get that urine smell back after NYC got it's once in a century bath
 
2012-10-31 02:27:28 PM  

for good or for awesome: Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.


Quiet, you primitive screw head.
 
2012-10-31 02:28:04 PM  

TNel: Yanks_RSJ: kvinesknows: the were warning WELL WELL WELL in advance that people should evac... I assume parking would have been fine at whatever shelter or hotel they went to.

They told people to take public transportation or taxis if they were going to the shelters because there WOULD NOT be available parking. Mayor Bloomberg was very clear about that on either Saturday or Sunday before the storm hit and well before MTA service was suspended. Parking at hotels is also limited, because most people staying in Manhattan do not drive here.

mjohnson71: Let me go passive aggressive:
Fine, you're right. Everyone that parked their cars underground in advance of the monster storm are without fault. They did nothing wrong. Brand new cars for everyone.

That's not passive aggressive, that's being an ignorant asshole.

Drive an hour to a hotel outside the area. My god if I cared about my car and I knew there was a massive rain storm coming there is no way in hell I would park it underground. It's not be ignorant they were being lazy. They couldn't care less about it because their car insurance will cover it. Like I said before I would have left my car there also, worth more destroyed at this point and I bet that's why a lot of people did it.


Like I said before: when I lived in a very parking challenged area of Chicago every time they forecast a decent snow I put the car in a covered garage. Yes, it might have been an hour's work to drive, park and get back home. Plus I would have to pay $20+ bucks for parking. But at least I knew the car would be okay.
 
2012-10-31 02:29:51 PM  

Spade: freewill: nonvideas: So, a lot of people did not evacuate the flood zones in the city despite Bloomberg issuing a "mandatory" evacuation. A lot of these people are saying on TV right now that they had no idea how bad it would be, and are mad at the city for not doing more to warn them. That's a separate issue. My question is - what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave. I'm not surprised that some young people tried to ride it out, but the elderly or debilitated folks who tried to stay and the parents who decided to keep their children there just blow my mind.

Mandatory evacuations rarely involve physically dragging people from their homes. That's very, very extreme, as in, "you are facing imminent death". As a practical matter, it would generally be impossible to enforce with masses of people. It's more like "if we see you outside, we're going to yell at you", whereas in a voluntary evacuation, you aren't doing anything wrong by staying and can still reasonably expect police assistance, etc.

Yeah, the best you can do is scare people, really. I heard that during Irene some cops went door to door with waivers for stay behinds to sign saying they understood that EMS folks weren't coming to get them. And Texas authorities told stay behinds to write their SSN's on their arm so they could id their bodies.


I "road one out" once. The best time to evacuate is about 12 hours before landfall. There were people reporting spending 36 hours trying to make a 150 mile drive. That cluster fark had pretty much cleared up by 24 hours before land fall and it was smooth sailing the last 12 hours...provided you had thought to fill up and had a bed reserved at your destination.

Other guys I knew, IT guys who stuck around until the last minute, literally took the last flight out of town. Though I had reports from friends stranded in Sandy's path because their return flight got cancelled well before Sandy's arrival.
 
2012-10-31 02:32:33 PM  

PrivateCaboose: mjohnson71: Dear New Jersey:
this is what you get for Snooki and the rest of those reality show clowns.

Signed
God

Snooki is from New York.

Signed,
Native New Jerseyan


Actually, she was born in Santiago Chile and raised by adoptive parents in New York. They did a hellofva job, didn't they?
 
2012-10-31 02:35:44 PM  

mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?


You're absolutely right, you "dunno" indeed.

I suppose you would drive around the streets of New York looking for a parking garage that was open and staffed in the middle of a hurricane, but then where would the idiot be to criticize that decision if you weren't here in the thread being that idiot?
 
2012-10-31 02:42:12 PM  

nonvideas: what's the point of a mandatory evacuation if it's not mandatory? Seems more like a voluntary evacuation to me. If you want to issue a mandatory evacuation, you should either drag people out of their homes kicking and screaming, or issue them summons or fines if they refuse to leave.


That is no longer possible because the National Guard is no longer available for that kind of mission. They are busy being deployed to wars that they are not supposed to be deployed to. I think the whole lot of them should rebel and go back to synchronized beer drinking as a protest.
 
2012-10-31 02:43:06 PM  

TNel: Drive an hour to a hotel outside the area.


Yes.
Except by "an hour" in this case you mean drive to Florida or Tucson, since the rotation of this storm covered a 1,500 mile radius.
 
2012-10-31 02:47:49 PM  

mccallcl: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

You're absolutely right, you "dunno" indeed.

I suppose you would drive around the streets of New York looking for a parking garage that was open and staffed in the middle of a hurricane, but then where would the idiot be to criticize that decision if you weren't here in the thread being that idiot?


During the storm? No.
Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes
 
2012-10-31 02:48:41 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Except by "an hour" in this case you mean drive to Florida or Tucson, since the rotation of this storm covered a 1,500 mile radius.


In fairness, anywhere further up than Newburgh would have been pretty OK as far as property damage goes, and most people realized that early on. It was the power outages we were worried about upstate, but Syracuse and Ithaca would have been great places to ride it out.
 
2012-10-31 02:51:54 PM  
I love how before the storm, we're all like 'Hey guys, be safe out there!'

And after the storm we're all 'Eff you man, we can handle storms better than that!'
 
2012-10-31 02:53:05 PM  

kvinesknows: perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.


Well the forecast called for a much lower storm surge than NYC got. If the forecast was right, then things wouldn't be anywhere near as bad. As it was, it was off by a tad. Given the forecast what people did was fine.
 
2012-10-31 02:55:39 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Didn't the History Channel cover this in its docu-shock series, "It Could Happen Tomorrow"? (Or was the Weather Channel? I can't remember for sure.) But it seems like one scenario was a hurricane hitting NYC.


I saw that one, too! I believe they talked about the flooding of the subways, tunnels etc.....
 
2012-10-31 02:55:47 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Except by "an hour" in this case you mean drive to Florida or Tucson, since the rotation of this storm covered a 1,500 mile radius.


Also if you get everyone doing this, well, after a while everything an hour away is full, so it's further down the road.

mjohnson71: Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes


Problem is, there's not enough above ground parking to handle the usual load plus the cars that are parked under ground. Also as mentioned the forecast was off, if things had been as bad as the forecast said, the cars would by and large by alright. As it was, the forecast was off a bit.
 
2012-10-31 02:58:36 PM  

WhyteRaven74: kvinesknows: perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.

Well the forecast called for a much lower storm surge than NYC got. If the forecast was right, then things wouldn't be anywhere near as bad. As it was, it was off by a tad. Given the forecast what people did was fine.


The garage they parked in was between fifteen and twenty blocks away from the river. In hindsight it was a bad idea, sure.

WhyteRaven74: mjohnson71: Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes

Problem is, there's not enough above ground parking to handle the usual load plus the cars that are parked under ground. Also as mentioned the forecast was off, if things had been as bad as the forecast said, the cars would by and large by alright. As it was, the forecast was off a bit.


This suggestion would have had the residents of my town walking 2 or 3 miles through the storm to catch a bus. Then they would have been riding public transportation for hours to get to destinations.
 
2012-10-31 02:59:28 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: TNel: Drive an hour to a hotel outside the area.

Yes.
Except by "an hour" in this case you mean drive to Florida or Tucson, since the rotation of this storm covered a 1,500 mile radius.


I live in PA and had no issues so you can't tell me everywhere in NY was flooded or had no above ground parking. This all comes down to how prepared you were. I wasn't worried at all even though my wife was loosing her shiat about it. We live at a high enough area that flooding wasn't a worry it was just the winds and damn where they bad around 2am on Monday night/Tuesday morning depending on how you look at that time frame.
 
2012-10-31 03:00:33 PM  
You have to wonder........how many of those cars were left in a particular location on purpose, when it's obvious they had enough time to move them to safer ground.....
 
2012-10-31 03:02:15 PM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-31 03:02:31 PM  

mjohnson71: mccallcl: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

You're absolutely right, you "dunno" indeed.

I suppose you would drive around the streets of New York looking for a parking garage that was open and staffed in the middle of a hurricane, but then where would the idiot be to criticize that decision if you weren't here in the thread being that idiot?

During the storm? No.
Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes


Damn straight, I would have walked off my job and driven out of NYC. It would not have mattered if there had been traffic jams, early flooding, or other impediments. I would have taken my Pinto off-road. Government built roads are for wimps. I would have driven to Vermont, parked the car, and hitch-hiked to the nearest Bed and Breakfast. Once at the B&B, I would have kicked the front door off the hinges and taken control of the facility. And G-d help them if the kitchen wasn't well stocked because, if necessary, I would have cracked open the the skulls of the other occupants and eaten their brains until I could safely pick up my car, return to NYC, and demand my job back. You leeches always trying to get something out of the government and insurance companies make me sick. Man up, already.
 
2012-10-31 03:18:13 PM  
The storm was so powerful, it warped space-time around Tony's Pier Restaurant!
 
2012-10-31 03:18:37 PM  

mjohnson71: mccallcl: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

You're absolutely right, you "dunno" indeed.

I suppose you would drive around the streets of New York looking for a parking garage that was open and staffed in the middle of a hurricane, but then where would the idiot be to criticize that decision if you weren't here in the thread being that idiot?

During the storm? No.
Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes



NOPE!

IF folks had TRULY responded to "preparing" for this natural disaster - they'd of SOLD their cars altogether - and invested in small, flat-bottomed, easily maneuvered BOATS - AND filled THOSE with generators!!!!!!

Amirite??????

What did I win??????

hmmmm. . .

or maybe they should of - just went with the flow - and driven their cars onto large inflatable rafts - slapped a GIS or RFID chip on the vehicle - inflated the raft - and then

and ONLY THEN

FINALLY got themselves and their families the hell outta there!!!
!


/imagining the outrage after . . .
//the "what the heck" was going through the minds - of all those folks that drowned - trying to put their cars on rafts - instead of getting out of there????????
 
2012-10-31 03:21:16 PM  

WorthNoting: NOPE!

IF folks had TRULY responded to "preparing" for this natural disaster - they'd of SOLD their cars altogether - and invested in small, flat-bottomed, easily maneuvered BOATS - AND filled THOSE with generators!!!!!!

Amirite??????

What did I win??????

hmmmm. . .

or maybe they should of - just went with the flow - and driven their cars onto large inflatable rafts - slapped a GIS or RFID chip on the vehicle - inflated the raft - and then

and ONLY THEN

FINALLY got themselves and their families the hell outta there!!!!

/imagining the outrage after . . .
//the "what the heck" was going through the minds - of all those folks that drowned - trying to put their cars on rafts - instead of getting out of there????????


Misinformed Man Riding Out Storm In Bathtub Filled With Batteries
 
2012-10-31 03:23:34 PM  

Pick: You have to wonder........how many of those cars were left in a particular location on purpose, when it's obvious they had enough time to move them to safer ground.....


People didn't know the ground they were on was unsafe. The previous highest storm surge in NY was in 1821, and this broke the record by a couple feet.
 
2012-10-31 03:34:32 PM  

Lunaville: mjohnson71: mccallcl: mjohnson71: Or, I dunno, maybe moved the cars 20 blocks north and into an above ground parking garage?

You're absolutely right, you "dunno" indeed.

I suppose you would drive around the streets of New York looking for a parking garage that was open and staffed in the middle of a hurricane, but then where would the idiot be to criticize that decision if you weren't here in the thread being that idiot?

During the storm? No.
Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes

Damn straight, I would have walked off my job and driven out of NYC. It would not have mattered if there had been traffic jams, early flooding, or other impediments. I would have taken my Pinto off-road. Government built roads are for wimps. I would have driven to Vermont, parked the car, and hitch-hiked to the nearest Bed and Breakfast. Once at the B&B, I would have kicked the front door off the hinges and taken control of the facility. And G-d help them if the kitchen wasn't well stocked because, if necessary, I would have cracked open the the skulls of the other occupants and eaten their brains until I could safely pick up my car, return to NYC, and demand my job back. You leeches always trying to get something out of the government and insurance companies make me sick. Man up, already.


You sound bootstrappy.
 
2012-10-31 03:37:07 PM  

WhyteRaven74: kvinesknows: perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.

Well the forecast called for a much lower storm surge than NYC got. If the forecast was right, then things wouldn't be anywhere near as bad. As it was, it was off by a tad. Given the forecast what people did was fine.


they were predicting over 12 feet 12 hours before it hit.
 
2012-10-31 03:50:58 PM  

kvinesknows: they were predicting over 12 feet 12 hours before it hit.


The storm hit NYC in the evening hours on Monday, a little less than 24 hours after the evacuation orders were given and transit was shut down entirely. Predictions at that time were for a surge of 6-11 feet.
 
2012-10-31 03:53:52 PM  

kvinesknows: WhyteRaven74: kvinesknows: perhaps actually BELIEVE the warnings and reports next time? just a suggestion.

Well the forecast called for a much lower storm surge than NYC got. If the forecast was right, then things wouldn't be anywhere near as bad. As it was, it was off by a tad. Given the forecast what people did was fine.

they were predicting over 12 feet 12 hours before it hit.


You can never really be sure of their accuracy anyway. During Isaac I heard the phrase "prepare for the worst, but hope for the best" so many damned times I think it should now be our state motto.

Their predictions are rarely spot on. They are just making educated guesses.

If you want to know where the eye of a storm is going to make landfall, find Jim Cantorre. He apparently has a hurricane homing beacon implanted in his ass. Everything else...well just think of it as a surprise.

/life long resident of south Louisiana.
//you yankees have my honest sympathy.
 
2012-10-31 03:59:10 PM  
Abe Vigoda's Ghost : Stretching out to get three feet closer really got that shot!

You would be surprised how much of a difference a small perspective change will make in a final photo.

// but it's a cell phone camera, so what's the point :P
 
2012-10-31 04:26:44 PM  

you have pee hands: Pick: You have to wonder........how many of those cars were left in a particular location on purpose, when it's obvious they had enough time to move them to safer ground.....

People didn't know the ground they were on was unsafe. The previous highest storm surge in NY was in 1821, and this broke the record by a couple feet.

cosmiccomicslv.com
You have sacrificed sure footing for an expensive apartment or house. A hurricane does not wait for you to be ready! A hurricane is not considerate, or fair! And make no mistake: here, you face hurricanes.

List of New York hurricanes
They have more hurricane attacks than you think though most are light but still the potential is there.
 
2012-10-31 04:45:32 PM  
If you took one huge storm and told the folks under mandatory evacuation, if you don't evacuate, we're not coming to rescue you;

and then DON'T RESCUE THEM;

and if whole boatloads of them die;

then in addition to improving the gene stock, you wouldn't have this problem the next time.


We will never get to this point apparently because god wants us risking our lives to rescue stubborn stupid people.
 
2012-10-31 04:54:02 PM  

WorthNoting: groppet: My folks live in Rehoboth Beach DE they made it through fine. I was worried about them because they have both had surgery in the last 3 months, so they are not as mobile. Im going up this weekend for punkin chunkin and to help the ole man do a little cleaning up.

What be this "punkin chunkin"?

Sounds intriguing . . .


http://www.punkinchunkin.com/


It's teh 2nd biggest "sporting" event in Delaware after NASCAR. Lotsa of tailgating/drinking, you get to see these amazing machines people build. They have almost broken the mytical mile mark the last few years. The pumpkin liqour will be flowing. And if you cant go they have a special about it on the science channel on thanksgiving.
 
2012-10-31 05:07:21 PM  

Ashrams: And here on the West coast were people are smart enough not to live in a hurricane alley, our before and after photos

Before
[bestof.longislandpress.com image 400x359]

After
[www.mauibeachtanning.net image 450x335]


I'm sure NYC wouldn't trade 2012 for San Francisco in 1906 or LA in 1994. (Or god forbid in 1857)

It's not like California can't get hurricanes. They're about as frequent as sizable earthquakes in NYC.
 
2012-10-31 05:15:25 PM  

FatherChaos: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x453]

The final minutes of the Chum Dumpster.


No refunds?
 
2012-10-31 05:20:44 PM  

JackieRabbit: PrivateCaboose: mjohnson71: Dear New Jersey:
this is what you get for Snooki and the rest of those reality show clowns.

Signed
God

Snooki is from New York.

Signed,
Native New Jerseyan

Actually, she was born in Santiago Chile and raised by adoptive parents in New York. They did a hellofva job, didn't they?


I've always thought that to be quite hilarious.. you have a Chilean adopted into a NY family pretending to be an Italian living in NJ! LOL
 
2012-10-31 06:41:16 PM  

freewill: Like I said, I don't think most people understood what this was or what it was going to do.


That's correct. Same thing here in Austin, TX, when the roads get slick due to snow. It has happened four times in the 20 years I've lived here, and every time there are between 400 and 500 traffic accidents.

My solution? Keep the car in the garage. Heh, I'm surprised nobody has slid their car through my garage door yet when the roads are icy!
 
2012-10-31 06:57:54 PM  
I think the biggest reason people weren't ready for this storm was Irene. The news at the time of Irene had it coming in as the end-of-the-world hurricane.

Not to say it didn't do any damage, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it was hyped up to be.

/didn't park my car in a garage
//had it out on the street
///tree fell down around it
 
2012-10-31 07:39:31 PM  

groppet: WorthNoting: groppet: My folks live in Rehoboth Beach DE they made it through fine. I was worried about them because they have both had surgery in the last 3 months, so they are not as mobile. Im going up this weekend for punkin chunkin and to help the ole man do a little cleaning up.

What be this "punkin chunkin"?

Sounds intriguing . . .

http://www.punkinchunkin.com/


It's teh 2nd biggest "sporting" event in Delaware after NASCAR. Lotsa of tailgating/drinking, you get to see these amazing machines people build. They have almost broken the mytical mile mark the last few years. The pumpkin liqour will be flowing. And if you cant go they have a special about it on the science channel on thanksgiving.

Elegy Never seen a pumpkin fired out of a homemade cannon before?

media.popularmechanics.com

/hotlinked like its going out of style


Sounds like some good times ! ! ! :-D
 
2012-10-31 08:01:01 PM  
Just for the lulz, they should have slipped in an "after" picture of post-tsunami Japan.
 
2012-10-31 08:57:25 PM  

freewill: Selfish, trivial question: Did Pommes Frites (123 2nd Avenue) make it, or did it end up in the East Village dunk tank?


OH GOD NO.
I will go and help rebuild it myself. Pommes Frites is my favorite restaurant of all time.
 
2012-10-31 09:24:46 PM  

The Whore Of Mensa: freewill: Selfish, trivial question: Did Pommes Frites (123 2nd Avenue) make it, or did it end up in the East Village dunk tank?

OH GOD NO.
I will go and help rebuild it myself. Pommes Frites is my favorite restaurant of all time.


Yeah. The g/f always wants to stop in whenever we're down and it looked one of the flood pictures was maybe three blocks from there. She'd have a major sad.
 
2012-10-31 10:29:12 PM  

charmbomb: At least the pirate ship will be a cool dive, once it gets to the bottom.


I first heard of that on the Tuesday local news. I guess there was a crew woman from the local area that was on board. She and the captain didn't make it out from what I last heard. They were trying to get to deep water away from the coast when they floundered. Sad.
 
2012-10-31 11:38:47 PM  

ozarkmatt: charmbomb: At least the pirate ship will be a cool dive, once it gets to the bottom.

I first heard of that on the Tuesday local news. I guess there was a crew woman from the local area that was on board. She and the captain didn't make it out from what I last heard. They were trying to get to deep water away from the coast when they floundered. Sad.


Well there goes my bright side.
 
2012-11-01 12:36:09 AM  

charmbomb: Well there goes my bright side.


No, no, that was what I meant. I would assume pretty much every shipwreck in history involved some loss of life. I just was throwing out a story, I hadn't heard of that ship with all the other storm stories until well after the storm and the only reason I did hear of it is because the local angle.

I am not sure how deep the water is there, but I would guess that ship will be pulled back up. If not, then yes, you are right the diving on it would be fantastic, especially to see how the marine life moves in over time. Again, provided it's shallow enough.
 
2012-11-01 01:09:53 AM  

Wise_Guy: dothemath: jack21221: dothemath: "Wow, it's almost like a huge amount of water washed pushed into the city by strong winds.
I'm sorry your shiat got farked up but let's stop with the 20 inch headlines every time you find a light pole knocked down or a flooded parking garage."
-Houston, Texas

Yeah, but this time the water was pushed into a REAL city, not some podunk town like Houston.

Yes, a REAL city that, apparently has never seen a big rainstorm before. I hope the NYT doesn't run out of ink, haha.

That water wasn't from the rain, you idiot.


Houston is 50 miles inland so storm surge isn't an issue. It has the same problem with large amounts of water with no where to go however. Hope NJ/NY recover well. I'm sure the rebuilding financing will put a real stimulus in the economy and the positive impact will 'trickle' down to the rest of America. Some real money, not just Wall Street chicanery.
 
2012-11-01 04:53:56 AM  

PrivateCaboose: mjohnson71: Dear New Jersey:
this is what you get for Snooki and the rest of those reality show clowns.

Signed
God

Snooki is from New York.

Signed,
Native New Jerseyan


Same thing
 
2012-11-01 12:10:56 PM  

mjohnson71: During the storm? No.
Planning ahead and taking care of it Friday afternoon/evening? Yes


You mean trying to plan ahead and trying to take care of it. If you live in New York, you may not have time to plan and execute moving your car from one parking garage to another (the exact same idea hundreds of thousands (millions?) of car owners are having at precisely the same time).

What you're talking about is shifting millions of tons of metal north through the island of Manahattan. Even if coordinated by the national guard, you would still see some destroyed cars. It's not as though there are thousands of free parking spaces sitting there waiting for the chance that everyone would evacuate lower Manahattan. If it were my job to coordinate such a move, I would ask for six months and a $2MM budget, and there would still be lots of destroyed cars.
 
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