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(NBC News)   John McCain really took today's "storm relief rally" to heart....by spending his entire speech accusing Obama of a coverup in Libya   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 170
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2012-10-31 07:34:47 AM
"Wet start" McCain is letting 'em fly a bit early, eh?
 
2012-10-31 07:36:45 AM
I'm still so confused by all of this. I'm apparently retarded, because I have no clue what the Republicans are going on about. Let me see if I can walk through the series of events and try and understand it.

1) An idiotic YouTube video goes viral and inflames the Muslim world, leading to protests.
2) At around the same time, a group of militants attack a US consulate in Benghazi. The attack was unexpected, the consulate wasn't prepared to repel an attack of that nature, and people died.
3) The Obama administration sees (1) and (2), and makes the mistake of seeing causation in the correlation.
4) After the fog of war clears, they admit their mistake.
5) Republicans complain.

OHHHHH. I get it now. They admitted an honest mistake. Republicans can't do that, and the very thought offends them.
 
2012-10-31 07:37:29 AM
John McCain would have been one of the worst Presidents in US history. Devoid of honor, full of anger and dangerously stupid.
 
2012-10-31 07:41:34 AM

Mixolydian Master: fark this guy. He actually goes and meets with dictators. Thinks they're interesting. I wouldn't take his advice on whether or not to drink a glass of piss.
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Sounds like McCain likes to pall around with terrorists.

Gaddafi brought down Pan Am 103 and McCain brought down 5 Navy jets, so I guess they did have things in common.
 
2012-10-31 07:43:00 AM

t3knomanser: I'm still so confused by all of this. I'm apparently retarded, because I have no clue what the Republicans are going on about. Let me see if I can walk through the series of events and try and understand it.


A few Americans died in some country filled with scary brown people just before the election, therefore Obama must be impeached!

Honestly, they're well aware there's no scandal here, but if they can make a loud enough stink about it they'll put a dent in Obama's foreign policy reputation in the minds of the electorate. Most people won't look into it and just think "Man, Obama must have screwed up, he's catching so much flak over this!"
 
2012-10-31 07:43:10 AM
Where is his sexy sidekick, Dee Dee McPalin.
 
2012-10-31 07:43:58 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste:
So, say so. Say that McCain is totally off base (which I agree with) and that Lantawa is a goofball for agreeing with him. Just calling Lantawa a retard-child but not addressing what he was saying is childish at best.

Uchiha_Cycliste:
Make no mistake, I don't agree with McCain or Lantawa, but you'd do much better to say McCain is a tool and anyone who believes him is a fool than to just blow off his defenders by attacking them. It just makes you look like, well, the GOP. We're better than that.

Its funny because you just did the same thing, twice lol.

huh? no I didn't. I said those sorts of actions are childish and counter productive. I didn't come out and saw you are a retard and a child. You're trying so hard to find faults you failed to read what I wrote.
there is a difference between saying, if you act this way you look childish, and saying you are a child.


I wasn't trying to find fault at all, you're hypocrisy jumped right out at me lol.

Btw, it's still attacking the messenger whether you call someone a goofball or retard-child
 
2012-10-31 07:45:27 AM

t3knomanser: OHHHHH. I get it now. They admitted an honest mistake. Republicans can't do that, and the very thought offends them.


QFT.

They view any criticism of themselves as weakness regardless of validity.
 
2012-10-31 07:47:00 AM
I don't see what the big deal is about the Libya incident that the GOP is relying on it to win them the election. I'm pretty damn critical of Obama, but looking at what happened all I see is a tragedy that may or may not have been avoided in hindsight. I don't see gross incompetence or a conspiracy.

What I do see is a lot of dolts from the previous administration bringing it up an pretending they weren't a part of the decision to lie to the American people in order to go into Iraq for no good reason, which strikes me as absurd. Like a serial rapist giving a guy crap for moving in too quick for a kiss on the second date.
 
2012-10-31 07:47:13 AM
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2012-10-31 07:53:53 AM

Noam Chimpsky: stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: I'm sure it rained in 1973 but the Democrats didn't drop the whole Watergate thing. No one died at Watergate.

No, but they died in Cambodia, which was one of the articles of impeachment Nixon was facing before he resigned.

Dolt.

I blame John Kerry's favorite French professor, Pol Pot.


No, it was Reagan who was a huge Pol Pot fan.

It was Reagan who refused to recognize the regime that replaced Pol Pot, claiming that Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge was the true government of Cambodia. Reagan sent his advisor Ray Cline to go meet with the overthrown Khmer living on the Thai Border, to advise them with how to get back into power He teamed up with the Chinese on the UN security council and the Association of South East Asian Nations to reinstate the Khmer Rouge to power in 1982 to refuse to sanctioned aid to the Cambodian people. The Chinese were trading partners with Pol Pot, so that was their incentive. Reagan just didn't like he fact that Vietnam helped overthrow Pol Pot, and was willing to let the Cambodian people starve to death just to prove his butthurt about it. Just further proof that St. Ronnie was probably a clinically diagnosed sociopath.
 
2012-10-31 07:56:45 AM
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Sounds like McCain likes to pall around with terrorists.

Gaddafi brought down Pan Am 103 and McCain brought down 5 Navy Jets, so I guess they did have common interests.
 
2012-10-31 08:03:28 AM
Sorry, didn't read all the derpy comments that I'm sure preceded this as I knew how this thread would role.

This will be a pretty clear collection of the posters who would defend Obama if he clubbed a baby seal on national TV. Carry on you blind partisans.

I'll check back next Wednesday to catch the rage/tears

yeah, Obama handled Benghazi just fine and the administration has been utterly transparent.
 
2012-10-31 08:05:22 AM
I love how we're suddenly worried about warnings.
How many FBI warnings or attempts to warn superiors did Obama ignore?
How many reports or briefings did he brush aside or ignore?

Tell you what, get back to me when he has allowed the entire, extended Bin Laden family to be air lifted out of Orlando while every airport in the country is on lock down.
 
2012-10-31 08:05:36 AM

mr lawson: There is a problem with that..
"They" had real-time video
"They" had access to a AC-130 gunship that was near by
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"They" denied multiply requests for help for hours.

A United States Ambassador was murdered.

The real question is....who were "They"?

White house?
DoD?
Sec of State?
CIA?

who the fark dropped the ball on this attack? And why?

/my bet...cia


Did you even read your own link? The attack started at 4 PM. The building was secured at 5:20 PM. There was a second attack at 6 PM. The building was again secured at 8:30 PM.

What did you expect anyone in America to do in either of those intervals? Fire on the consulate while our own people are still inside??
 
2012-10-31 08:07:36 AM
I get the feeling these days John McCain spends most of his time sitting in his living room watching Fox News. He's basically everyone's crazy uncle. When asked by our friends what's wrong with him, we whisper "He was in the war..."
 
2012-10-31 08:08:12 AM

Lunaville: I love how we're suddenly worried about warnings.


Or attacks on US Embassies, for that matter, considering that there were 12 that took place under Bush.  For some reason, Fox News didn't deem them to be newsworthy.
 
2012-10-31 08:10:01 AM

andino: What did you expect anyone in America to do in either of those intervals? Fire on the consulate while our own people are still inside??


I can't help but think these clods think reality is like an episode of 24 or a movie based on a Tom Clancy novel...

It's utterly disgusting watching these people use the deaths of American citizens to try and score political points.
 
2012-10-31 08:13:40 AM
One side has acted like grownups in this campaign.
 
2012-10-31 08:15:22 AM

keylock71: andino: What did you expect anyone in America to do in either of those intervals? Fire on the consulate while our own people are still inside??

I can't help but think these clods think reality is like an episode of 24 or a movie based on a Tom Clancy novel...

It's utterly disgusting watching these people use the deaths of American citizens to try and score political points.


It's funny how they don't realize how trivial the difference is between them gleefully using the death of an American to score political points and the Palestinians celebrating in the streets after 9/11 that they were so revolted by.
 
2012-10-31 08:16:01 AM

t3knomanser: I'm still so confused by all of this. I'm apparently retarded, because I have no clue what the Republicans are going on about. Let me see if I can walk through the series of events and try and understand it.

1) An idiotic YouTube video goes viral and inflames the Muslim world, leading to protests.
2) At around the same time, a group of militants attack a US consulate in Benghazi. The attack was unexpected, the consulate wasn't prepared to repel an attack of that nature, and people died.
3) The Obama administration sees (1) and (2), and makes the mistake of seeing causation in the correlation.
4) After the fog of war clears, they admit their mistake.
5) Republicans complain.

OHHHHH. I get it now. They admitted an honest mistake. Republicans can't do that, and the very thought offends them.



Well you see Obama, who they previously said apologizes too much, hasn't apologized enough - he should admit it was he personally who deliberately and with malice aforethought allowed this to happen, resign, and go back to Kenya.
 
2012-10-31 08:18:07 AM

stoli n coke: Judging by his action Tuesday, Christie is blowing it for Romney so he can get his shot in 2016.


Christie has a job to do. I have no reason to believe his actions are motivated by anything other than his immediate challenges. Sometimes people do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:42 AM

InmanRoshi: It's funny how they don't realize how trivial the difference is between them gleefully using the death of an American to score political points and the Palestinians celebrating in the streets after 9/11 that they were so revolted by.


I doubt they realize how much they have in common with fundamentalists in other parts of the world... Their provincial, constipated world view doesn't allow for such flexibility of thought.
 
2012-10-31 08:23:17 AM

keylock71: I doubt they realize how much they have in common with fundamentalists in other parts of the world


When you point it out you get a "NO U" response.
 
2012-10-31 08:26:06 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Sorry


Dumbpology accepted.
 
2012-10-31 08:26:17 AM
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McCain could of crashed a plane into the attackers.
 
2012-10-31 08:29:09 AM

InmanRoshi: Noam Chimpsky: stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: I'm sure it rained in 1973 but the Democrats didn't drop the whole Watergate thing. No one died at Watergate.

No, but they died in Cambodia, which was one of the articles of impeachment Nixon was facing before he resigned.

Dolt.

I blame John Kerry's favorite French professor, Pol Pot.

No, it was Reagan who was a huge Pol Pot fan.

It was Reagan who refused to recognize the regime that replaced Pol Pot, claiming that Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge was the true government of Cambodia. Reagan sent his advisor Ray Cline to go meet with the overthrown Khmer living on the Thai Border, to advise them with how to get back into power He teamed up with the Chinese on the UN security council and the Association of South East Asian Nations to reinstate the Khmer Rouge to power in 1982 to refuse to sanctioned aid to the Cambodian people. The Chinese were trading partners with Pol Pot, so that was their incentive. Reagan just didn't like he fact that Vietnam helped overthrow Pol Pot, and was willing to let the Cambodian people starve to death just to prove his butthurt about it. Just further proof that St. Ronnie was probably a clinically diagnosed sociopath.


That is particularly damning information as the date indicates Reagan made these horrible decisions prior to falling prey to dementia. So, blame can't be laid at the feet of an over enthusiastic vice-president who just happened to be a former CIA director.
 
2012-10-31 08:29:27 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Obama handled Benghazi just fine


See, was that so hard to admit?
 
2012-10-31 08:31:29 AM

lantawa: True. That is a credible third choice. Truth lies somewhere amongst the three choices. Spin, indeed. Getting dizzy and agitated on this spinning ride from both sides, and will be glad when we get to this point next week. and this election is over.


I think you might be slightly biased since you and McCain were helping draft the constitution together.
 
2012-10-31 08:32:41 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: He's a farking disgrace and a disappointment.


I know.

Seeing as how the Obama White House is actually trying to cover it up too..
 
2012-10-31 08:45:33 AM

NateGrey: lantawa: True. That is a credible third choice. Truth lies somewhere amongst the three choices. Spin, indeed. Getting dizzy and agitated on this spinning ride from both sides, and will be glad when we get to this point next week. and this election is over.

I think you might be slightly biased since you and McCain were helping draft the constitution together.


Ah! How's it hanging, young NateGrey? Not that I care, but I'd guess 2 inches and bent to the left.

=:P
 
2012-10-31 08:48:06 AM
Give 'em a break.
At least they learned to spell Benghazi correctly.
(That, and they now know it's the name of a city and not an Israeli arms dealer.)
 
2012-10-31 08:52:09 AM

lantawa: NateGrey: lantawa: True. That is a credible third choice. Truth lies somewhere amongst the three choices. Spin, indeed. Getting dizzy and agitated on this spinning ride from both sides, and will be glad when we get to this point next week. and this election is over.

I think you might be slightly biased since you and McCain were helping draft the constitution together.

Ah! How's it hanging, young NateGrey? Not that I care, but I'd guess 2 inches and bent to the left.

=:P


Pretty good, I always enjoy a good "Why dont people care about Benghazziziiiiii!" thread.

Almost as fun as a Fast and Furious thread. Eric Holder must go, did you hear he is protecting the Black Panthers??
 
2012-10-31 08:52:34 AM
Why, exactly. is this coming up in a "Relief Rally," and why do these "Relief Rallies" seem to be exclusively held in Ohio? I mean, Romney pledges that he wouldn't campaign during this time because it's unseemly. It's so unlike Romney to change his mind.
 
2012-10-31 08:53:51 AM

NateGrey: did you hear he is protecting the Black Panthers??


That bastage!
 
2012-10-31 08:54:55 AM

lantawa: Looser......Try a dictionary some time. It might reveal these things called "words that mean something



You have no idea how farking hilarious you are, do you? Here's a hint: Loose and Lose are two different words.
 
2012-10-31 09:03:19 AM

LavenderWolf: lantawa: Looser......Try a dictionary some time. It might reveal these things called "words that mean something


You have no idea how farking hilarious you are, do you? Here's a hint: Loose and Lose are two different words.


Yeah, well, your a looser.

=:/
 
2012-10-31 09:03:36 AM

DeaH: Why, exactly. is this coming up in a "Relief Rally," and why do these "Relief Rallies" seem to be exclusively held in Ohio? I mean, Romney pledges that he wouldn't campaign during this time because it's unseemly. It's so unlike Romney to change his mind.


theonlyblogworthreading.files.wordpress.com

Thanks a bunch.
 
2012-10-31 09:04:25 AM
He's just mad because Obama stole McCain's secret plan to get Bin-laden and never gave him credit.
 
2012-10-31 09:05:42 AM
I am so glad he is not our president, I cannot imagine how many wars we would be in.
 
2012-10-31 09:06:37 AM

InmanRoshi: Mixolydian Master: fark this guy. He actually goes and meets with dictators. Thinks they're interesting. I wouldn't take his advice on whether or not to drink a glass of piss.
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Sounds like McCain likes to pall around with terrorists.

Gaddafi brought down Pan Am 103 and McCain brought down 5 Navy jets, so I guess they did have things in common.


Did he tell you he was a POW?
 
2012-10-31 09:07:53 AM
In fairness, McCain's speech was originally supposed to blast Obama for the hurricane, but then Christie had to ruin it for everybody by talking about "setting politics aside" and "focusing on saving lives and working together during a tragedy." What a fat asshole.
 
2012-10-31 09:13:27 AM

Gunther: mr lawson: There is a problem with that..
"They" had real-time video
"They" had access to a AC-130 gunship that was near by

Are you goddamned serious? You think ordering an AC 130 to bomb the mob (which was by then in the process of trashing the consulate) would have been a sane option? When what little information they had was confused and conflicting?

shiat, man. Lay off the Call of Duty.


Besides, he should be playing assassins creed by now. And suggesting smoke bombs, knives and double agents.
 
2012-10-31 09:15:05 AM
I can't figure out what McCain gets out of being an asshole other than being a spiteful bitter old man.

McCain isn't honorable, he is every bit as much the slimeball that Romney is but way better at hiding it. I guess McCain figures he's got nothing to lose at this point in his career so he might as well be what he really is.
 
2012-10-31 09:18:16 AM

lantawa: It seems obvious that you're missing the big picture regarding Libya.


Sorry to butt in on the love-fest here, but seems to me that the big picture regarding Libya is that they recently elected a secular, pro-American government, and this is also reflected in the widespread counter-protests after the killings in Benghazi -- counter-protests that you would never have seen, by the way, while people like Qaddafi and Mubarak were in power (e.g. after the Danish Muhammad cartoons were published). The government has been having a hard time maintaining order, and terrorist groups have sprung up, but this is a common problem after civil wars and revolutions -- see Iraq post-2003, Afghanistan post-1989, or heck, even the US of A, post-1865. There are definitely still problems with AQIM and recalcitrant former Qaddafi-ites, but the long-run trend in Libya is positive for the US.
 
2012-10-31 09:24:26 AM
As for Benghazi, the attackers had more than small arms so a larger security detail there would have only meant more dead Americans.

We can't have small armies operating in foreign lands to protect our diplomats as we wouldn't allow small foreign armies to do the same here. Security is mainly the responsibility of the host country.
 
2012-10-31 09:27:28 AM

TIKIMAN87: AdolfOliverPanties: He's a farking disgrace and a disappointment.

I know.

Seeing as how the Obama White House is actually trying to cover it up too..


No, they aren't. the problem the GOP has is Obama dared to stay in office after the attack. In their minds, 5 deaths is the absolute worst thing ever, while the 3,000 killed by terrorists under their watch was a okay.
 
2012-10-31 09:28:41 AM
Does anyone give a shiat about this "libya scandal" talking point?

I don't even understand it. The GOP is upset because, after four Americans were killed and the riots were over, the administration sent "mixed signals" regarding whether it was a terrorist attack or not?

Is this really the best the GOP has right now? because if it is, I smell desperation. We have a pretty clear picture of what happened at this point, and it doesn't change anything. The four Americans are still dead. And it's not like the American people immediately needed to know exactly what happened.

What would you rather have - an administration that jumps to conclusions about what could be a complicated situation in a foreign country, or an administration that wants to figure out what actually happened before saying "terrorists did this!"

And on top of this, the thing that drives me nuts is that the GOP has managed to effectively bury the fact that its top officials during the Bush years drummed up false reports of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to convince congress and the American people to support a full-scale invasion of the country! How the hell does Romney get away with using those same people to be his top foreign policy advisers on the campaign?

To me, this all points to mass media with the attention span of a three year old on a sugar rush. We need serious investigative journalism to dig into the people behind the scenes, and the media needs to pay attention to what they find out. Instead, the media will just get manipulated into reporting stupid shiat like "oh, there was a terrorist on facebook taking credit for the attack the day after it happened, so this proves that the administration lied to us about the fact that terrorists were behind the attack."

And then the administration used those "lies" to get us to invade a foreign country and spend over a trillion dollars in an unfunded war? Oh wait, no it didn't....
 
2012-10-31 09:51:27 AM

NateGrey: McCain could of


Yes, for all intensive purposes, he certainly could of.
 
2012-10-31 10:13:45 AM

mr lawson: "They" had access to a AC-130 gunship that was near by


What the hell do you think they could do with that? Open fire onto all the protesters, non-combatants and all? Or the consulate itself? What, you think it could just snipe the bad guys? Far from it. A gunship is worthless in the circumstances they faced.
 
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