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(Russia Today)   Police officer uses taser on 10 year old boy to "show [him] what happens to people who do not listen to the police", because the boy stated that he didn't want to clean the officer's squad car during career day   (rt.com) divider line 231
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2012-10-31 01:22:10 AM

MrSplifferton: Isildur: For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.

Lots of people say the same thing about Breitbart, Townhall, and American Thinker...


There are lots of people who say those are funded by the Kremlin? Weird. Seems rather counterintuitive.
But seriously, I can hardly say I consider those to be bastions of reliable, objective journalism either, so I don't really get your point.
 
2012-10-31 01:27:59 AM

Isildur: MrSplifferton: Isildur: For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.

Lots of people say the same thing about Breitbart, Townhall, and American Thinker...

There are lots of people who say those are funded by the Kremlin? Weird. Seems rather counterintuitive.
But seriously, I can hardly say I consider those to be bastions of reliable, objective journalism either, so I don't really get your point.


point being if they greenlight that crap don't be surprised when they greenlight Kremlin crap.
 
2012-10-31 01:31:48 AM

Rambino: stiletto_the_wise: 99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.

Good point.

And also - this case is another reason why it is important that we have tort reform, so that frivilous suits like this don't result in silly punitive damages. At best, the court should award the kid a new t-shirt (to replace the one with holes in it).


LOL that was sarcasm
 
2012-10-31 01:38:05 AM
All I know is that if a cop had done that to one of my kids or grandkids as described in the story and I were called to the school after it, there would have been a strong likelihood I'd end up getting tazed and/or hauled off to jail for my reaction to this cop's actions if he were still on scene.

The SOB needs to be farking fired and criminally prosecuted.
 
2012-10-31 01:52:48 AM

MrSplifferton: point being if they greenlight that crap don't be surprised when they greenlight Kremlin crap.


Ah. Ok, fair enough.
 
2012-10-31 02:12:07 AM

Isildur: MrSplifferton: point being if they greenlight that crap don't be surprised when they greenlight Kremlin crap.

Ah. Ok, fair enough.


Thanks, now we can discuss how right wing propoganda is = to communist bullshiat, in the eyes of fark modmins
 
2012-10-31 02:15:54 AM
Can we ban these god damn unwanted pieces of shiat already?

/Im talking about cops
//ok fine tasers too
///slashie them all!!!
 
2012-10-31 02:22:33 AM
Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.
 
2012-10-31 02:28:58 AM

fnordfocus: Anyhow, the argument is that shooting a ten year old is just regular dumbfarkery and not "extraordinary and outrageous," so this Officer can't be charged. It's moot, since he's already served three days of paid leave, so double jeopardy rules protect him from any further administrative or criminal penalties.


Are you SkinnyHead? You just proved that you have no concept of criminal liability or double jeopardy. On the off-chance you're not trolling me:

You said yourself that Mehserle is trying to get his conviction reduced to a misdemeanor (criminally negligent vs. the standard for involuntary manslaughter) so that he can qualify to rejoin the police department. A misdemeanor is still a crime. Therefore, if he has his conviction reduced to a misdemeanor charge, he will still be a cop who was convicted of a crime in the scope of his duties. If he were truly immune for criminal negligence, then convincing the judge that it is criminal negligence would result in a vacating of his sentence, because the judge would say "Hey, you were immune from prosecution in the first place, so this court had no jurisdiction to try you for the crime. That misdemeanor has been wiped from your record and we apologize for locking you up." That's not what he's going for.

You get some immunity as a cop. The assault statutes in most (all?) states makes an exception for force used by an officer "to the extent he reasonably believes it to be necessary" to stop some sort of imminent risk of injury or escape or to gain compliance from a suspect who is resisting.

There's also qualified immunity, which states that unless a police officer does something that is either "a violation of clearly established civil rights" or "plainly incompetent," he can get out of a case against him for things that happen while on duty as a cop. That, for instance, stops lawsuits or prosecution where a cop makes a reasonable mistake about identity or a good-faith mistake in using force when he believed that a suspect was about to get violent. It does not stop, however, lawsuits involving shooting unarmed nonsuspects in the back, or abuses of power, or arrests made without any probable cause.

Cops get every benefit of the doubt under the current system, but I think you'd have to agree that pointing a weapon at a child under these circumstances is "plainly incompetent" and a clear violation of civil rights.

Double jeopardy applies only to criminal prosecutions, and only when it goes to trial. Discipline by a police chief is not a criminal prosecution and doesn't involve a trial. It's an administrative hearing. Something few people know, but probably should: double jeopardy applies only when a criminal case has gotten to jury selection. You can be arrested and incarcerated for a year without bail (or unable to make bail) and the prosecutor could decide to withdraw the case, setting you free. As long as that case hasn't gone to trial (starting at jury selection), the prosecutor can have you locked up again to stand trial because jeopardy has not attached.
 
2012-10-31 02:30:34 AM

TwowheelinTim: Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.


well, if you looked at my previous comment, I was wondering if he was black, brown, or white. But weight is probably more politicaly correct at this point...Didn't mention that, or height of the kid, go fark yourself...
 
2012-10-31 02:36:27 AM

TwowheelinTim: Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.


Yea, because there are no tall 10 year olds. My 3 year old is in the 95th percentile for weight. He's also in 97th percentile for height. Weight for age is pretty meaningless if you don't know how tall the kid is.
 
2012-10-31 02:38:57 AM

fnordfocus: PC LOAD LETTER: I sentence him to a rape-rape prison.

That seems like an extreme sentence for refusing to clean someone's car.


The interior was covered in donut sprinkles.
 
2012-10-31 02:40:11 AM

Arnprior Joe: TwowheelinTim: Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.

Yea, because there are no tall 10 year olds. My 3 year old is in the 95th percentile for weight. He's also in 97th percentile for height. Weight for age is pretty meaningless if you don't know how tall the kid is.


What good is the internet if you can't anonymously judge random strangers for the way they raise their children based on an incomplete set of facts in an article published on a Russian content mill?
 
2012-10-31 02:42:39 AM

Anastacya: The kid refuses to do something on career day. A verbal warning, maybe bringing the kid to the principal. But pointing a weapon at a child? This is one of the rare times where the parents are definitely within their rights to sue the department. Talk about trauma. Jebus.


Bigger question how is cleaning the cop's car any way to teach about careers to begin with?
 
2012-10-31 02:48:53 AM

alice_600: Anastacya: The kid refuses to do something on career day. A verbal warning, maybe bringing the kid to the principal. But pointing a weapon at a child? This is one of the rare times where the parents are definitely within their rights to sue the department. Talk about trauma. Jebus.

Bigger question how is cleaning the cop's car any way to teach about careers to begin with?


God damn it, just say the kid was darker than white, it's all the justification needed...Stop tip toeing it, we all farkin know that's the only reason people defend this shiat.
 
2012-10-31 02:49:05 AM

alice_600:
Bigger question how is cleaning the cop's car any way to teach about careers to begin with?


I wonder if he got a kid to fill out all the paperwork this generated.
 
2012-10-31 02:54:03 AM

stiletto_the_wise: Rambino: stiletto_the_wise: 99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.

Good point.

And also - this case is another reason why it is important that we have tort reform, so that frivilous suits like this don't result in silly punitive damages. At best, the court should award the kid a new t-shirt (to replace the one with holes in it).

LOL that was sarcasm


LOL that was sarcasm
 
2012-10-31 02:59:09 AM
Drain the pig of every dime, kosher style
 
2012-10-31 02:59:41 AM
It's that 1% of police, you know? They have their reputations tarnished by the other 99%.
 
2012-10-31 03:01:15 AM

indylaw: Double jeopardy applies only to criminal prosecutions, and only when it goes to trial. Discipline by a police chief is not a criminal prosecution and doesn't involve a trial. It's an administrative hearing. Something few people know, but probably should: double jeopardy applies only when a criminal case has gotten to jury selection. You can be arrested and incarcerated for a year without bail (or unable to make bail) and the prosecutor could decide to withdraw the case, setting you free. As long as that case hasn't gone to trial (starting at jury selection), the prosecutor can have you locked up again to stand trial because jeopardy has not attached.


Also, if you are convicted of a crime you didn't commit (like killing your husband), then double jeopardy means you can kill the bastard when you get out, and you can't be charged with a cime--after all, you already did the time.

/learned that from the movies
 
2012-10-31 03:11:42 AM

TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

The Smoking Gun


FTA: "Webb recalled first escorting the boy to a school bathroom "to help clean him up." "

He made the kid piss or shiat his pants. Good job officer!
 
2012-10-31 03:38:31 AM
Hey, maybe the little farker is an annoying little shiat and deserved to get tased.

/Just saying.
 
2012-10-31 03:44:52 AM
Think of how mind bogglingly small his penis must be to use that kind of method to teach that lesson to that child.

Officer KenDoll
 
2012-10-31 03:45:15 AM

Nrokreffefp: hlehmann: At what point do we start giving IQ tests to potential police officers? Oh wait, if we did that we wouldn't have any police officers. No one with two digits or more would take such a job.

Certain jurisdictions essentially do, and fire people who score too high.


That's what's so farking scary and true.

There was a case about ten years ago where the candidate was "too intelligent" to become a police officer. An appellate court held up the police department's point of view that "someone with more intelligence would likely become bored with policework and quit after being trained at a substantial cost."

It's not so much that the average cop's IQ is expected to be no more than 105 that frightens me, it's that the police sergeants, lieutenants, captains, commanders, and administrators are all hired from within this "average" base as well.

You're NEVER going to see fundamental changes to police department procedures unless it's a result of external pressures, i.e. lawsuit, public findings, etc.
 
2012-10-31 03:49:51 AM

Arkanaut: andyofne: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

So, basically, crap?

I was wondering about this, but for a Russian journalist, it must be nice to report on news in a country that won't kill you for doing your job.


Insert 'O'Rly?' owl here.
 
2012-10-31 04:07:05 AM
I came as quick as I could. Did I miss anything? I'm here to bash the police....
 
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2012-10-31 04:32:39 AM

Vectron: BafflerMeal: FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.

I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.


RT is like Radio Free Europe used to be. Except we in the US are in need of it's services now.


RT is to the US as Voice of America was to the USSR; it covers all the systemic embarrassments and viewpoints that the internal media doesn't cover.

The Russians have learned their lesson from Americans at just how effective something like this can be, and are using that knowledge. The shoe is truly on the other foot now.
 
2012-10-31 04:37:58 AM

BafflerMeal: FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.

I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.


RT and Al Jazeera are worlds apart. When I watch RT I can just feel the bias dripping from their newscast. Al Jazeera is much more objective.

Let me put it this way. When RT reports a story I grab a salt shaker. When Al Jazeera reports a story, I pay attention.
 
2012-10-31 04:52:01 AM
I think this officer has an excellent chance for a career in mall security.
 
2012-10-31 04:54:03 AM

Texas Gabe: Also,

Abby Martin

[rt.com image 220x293]

That is all


Wow.
 
2012-10-31 05:03:41 AM

Wretschko: You're NEVER going to see fundamental changes to police department procedures unless it's a result of external pressures, i.e. lawsuit, public findings, etc.


You still have organizational inertia to deal with.

By way of comparison, the executive order desegregating the US military was signed in 1948. It took the army 3 years just to draft a plan on how it would do it, and the job wasn't really done for close to another 30 years.

You can't change an organization's culture in a reasonable period of time. The only option is to destroy it and start over. Even then, you have to make sure that the old leadership and cliques don't manage to integrate themselves into the new organization.
 
2012-10-31 05:54:58 AM
From that page's comments...

Tracy Hefley · Top Commenter
Damn I have been tazed by my dept. Where can I get a payout like this? Maybe I should get a lawyer.


Wow. Fire him too.
 
2012-10-31 06:59:35 AM
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the 10 year old is comin right for us!!
 
2012-10-31 07:09:30 AM
But the cop was right, this is what happens to people who do not listen to the police.
 
2012-10-31 07:18:20 AM

Bad_Seed: But the cop was right, this is what happens to people who do not listen to the police.


so what are we supposed to do, make laws against tasers? or just give the cop a screwdriver when he asks for one
 
2012-10-31 07:25:36 AM

Rambino: Just reading stories like this makes my heartrate go crazy.

Few things are guaranteed to insta-piss me off like police abuse. This shiat takes me right to the edge of postal. 

... and of course nothing will happen to this abomination of a blue-clad 'tard.


let the but hurt flow through you...it will make you stronger!
 
2012-10-31 07:26:51 AM
"Here you go, Larry. You see what happens? You see what happens, Larry? You see what happens? This is what happens. when you fark a stranger in the ass."
 
2012-10-31 07:27:09 AM

dj_bigbird: Too bad cops can't be held individually (personally) liable for stuff like this. The family will sue the city, they'll get paid off by the taxpayers and the cop won't really care.


They can in my state. I was called to jury duty in a civil case where a cop was being sued as an individual for false arrest and brutality. He was trying to say he couldn't be sued, but that was just an attempted defensible position. The jury had to decide if it was reasonable.

/didn't make it past the voir dire
//go figure
 
2012-10-31 07:28:33 AM

Xanlexian: I bet this 10-year old kid will listen to the police from now on, but for the rest of his life he'll never trust a single one.


nobody should ever trust one. they are pure unadulterated evil.
 
2012-10-31 07:29:35 AM
Yeah, PTSD, that's the ticket.
 
2012-10-31 07:55:35 AM

wingnut396: "removed it from the holster not realizing I put the cartridge back on. The taser accidentally discharged hitting a boy directly in the chest."

Why is he not being charged with assault? What would a civilian be charged with if they 'accidentally' did this to a 10 year old, or any other person for that matter?


Webb added that he waited until the arrival of the student's mother, who agreed with the cop's suggestion to take the boy "to the doctor for safety precautions."

Webb added that the boy's mother "stated that she wasn't mad at what had happened."

Yes, getting mad at the the cop that just tased your kid for a bullshiat reason is the perfect thing to do. Once you tase the parent because they were all pissed off and screaming in your face, you can deflect accusations of your own incompetence more efficiently.


It occurs to me that maybe she knows her kid better than you do. It further stands to reason that if she didn't get mad it was because the little snoflake deserved it for something that she could think of and was just happy that she didn't have to deliver the punishment.

//Also Damn what a discipline tactic. Knock it off Jimmy or I will call officer Drew to taze your little arse.
 
2012-10-31 08:01:14 AM

newton: From that page's comments...

Tracy Hefley · Top Commenter
Damn I have been tazed by my dept. Where can I get a payout like this? Maybe I should get a lawyer.


Wow. Fire him too.


Were you ten and innocent when you were tazed, asshat? I'd ask him if he has a child, and if he'd like to volunteer the kid for tazing if it's no big deal, but I'm afraid he might.

"Clean my car, brown kid!" is not a lawful order. The child was correct to refuse.
 
2012-10-31 08:03:25 AM
Not all cops are bad. In my county two of them were fired for excessive force at a traffic stop. It gives me new hope in humanity.

/ The ones at my University are REALLY REALLY nice too.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:12 AM

RussianPooper: [www.fredposner.com image 217x217]

Pretty please, with sugar on top. Clean the farking car.


The cop was a race car, and the kid had him in the red. It's dangerous to have a race car in the red.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:14 AM

Wretschko: Nrokreffefp: hlehmann: At what point do we start giving IQ tests to potential police officers? Oh wait, if we did that we wouldn't have any police officers. No one with two digits or more would take such a job.

Certain jurisdictions essentially do, and fire people who score too high.

That's what's so farking scary and true.

There was a case about ten years ago where the candidate was "too intelligent" to become a police officer. An appellate court held up the police department's point of view that "someone with more intelligence would likely become bored with policework and quit after being trained at a substantial cost."

It's not so much that the average cop's IQ is expected to be no more than 105 that frightens me, it's that the police sergeants, lieutenants, captains, commanders, and administrators are all hired from within this "average" base as well.

You're NEVER going to see fundamental changes to police department procedures unless it's a result of external pressures, i.e. lawsuit, public findings, etc.


I took a little CJ in college and for what that's worth - career testing finds that warehouse worker and cop are comparable jobs. Both careers are well suited for people that can handle spending a shift driving around actively searching for things and filling out paperwork. If speeding around the warehouse on a forklift all day looking for pallets wouldn't fulfill you intellectually, police work probably isn't for you. Not that you couldn't do it, but you probably wouldn't be happy doing it and would end up being burned out.

When all we ask of the police is to drive around and answer calls that need a report or write traffic tickets we don't have any problems. It's when we use fuzzy logic to think that because cops are good at doing a job that helps society means they would also be good at social work and adolescent development - that's when we get cool stories like this.

Think about it. If you were a warehouse manager and saw one of the forklift drivers start opening up boxes to play around with the contents - you would tell them to get back to work just reading the labels and moving pallets. It's no different when a cop decides to give a "safety lecture" during a traffic stop or does more than frisk, cuff, read rights and deliver a suspected criminal.

Instead of asking for college degrees and ambition from potential cops - we should just find people of average intelligence to fill the job and only do what's in the job description; it's a better design.
 
2012-10-31 08:26:01 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: so what are we supposed to do...just give the cop a screwdriver when he asks for one?


I'd give him one, if he needed it.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-31 08:27:14 AM

Ficoce: Instead of asking for college degrees and ambition from potential cops - we should just find people of average intelligence to fill the job and only do what's in the job description; it's a better design.


Not to pick nits, but this guy WAS doing what was in his job description, giving a lecture to schoolkids as part of "Career Day". I hear what you're saying, but if children never learn about professions from those who actually practice them, they're worse off. For example, I bet none of the kids who heard that lecture will ever trust a police officer again, and that's going to serve them a lot better than the kids who never learned that lesson.
 
2012-10-31 08:53:12 AM

Rockstone: Not all cops are bad. In my county two of them were fired for excessive force at a traffic stop. It gives me new hope in humanity.

/ The ones at my University are REALLY REALLY nice too.


University cops have the best job. The worst they almost ever have to deal with is small-time drug possession or dealing with suicidal kids. No traffic duty. No policing crackhouses or dealing with gangs.
 
2012-10-31 09:05:25 AM

untaken_name: Ficoce: Instead of asking for college degrees and ambition from potential cops - we should just find people of average intelligence to fill the job and only do what's in the job description; it's a better design.

Not to pick nits, but this guy WAS doing what was in his job description, giving a lecture to schoolkids as part of "Career Day". I hear what you're saying, but if children never learn about professions from those who actually practice them, they're worse off. For example, I bet none of the kids who heard that lecture will ever trust a police officer again, and that's going to serve them a lot better than the kids who never learned that lesson.


If you were a teacher, would you leave your classroom alone, unsupervised, with some unknown forklift driver for the afternoon, so he could show them what it's like to work in a warehouse? No you wouldn't. It's not the cops fault to do what's natural. A cop spends every day using controlling techniques to get their job done and go home. Throwing a cop in alone with a bunch of 10 year old kids is asking for trouble. It's like asking a teacher to walk into a bar full of drunken rowdies and break up a fight, just because they can control a bunch of 10 year olds doesn't mean they can dodge beer cans.
 
2012-10-31 09:07:25 AM
Fark the police
 
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