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(Russia Today)   Police officer uses taser on 10 year old boy to "show [him] what happens to people who do not listen to the police", because the boy stated that he didn't want to clean the officer's squad car during career day   (rt.com) divider line 231
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2012-10-31 12:01:01 AM
I bet this 10-year old kid will listen to the police from now on, but for the rest of his life he'll never trust a single one.
 
2012-10-31 12:04:07 AM

fnordfocus: shoot them later


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/i got nuthin'
 
2012-10-31 12:04:22 AM

fnordfocus: Rambino: Cops are not (supposed to be) immune from criminal prosecution.

Since when?

Officers are generally immune from criminal or civil liability for anything they do on-duty, or as part of duties.


Civil, yes. Mostly.

Criminal, no. They are not immune. They have license to violate certain laws under certain circumstances, but otherwise they are (supposed to be) liable for criminal acts.

Cops don't get to ignore speed limits, for instance. They are only allowed to break the speed limit under specific circumstances (usually pacing, responding to a call, etc.)

They are (sometimes) allowed to point a weapon at a suspect. I can't imagine what rule would allow the police officer to point a weapon at this child.
 
2012-10-31 12:05:09 AM

Baby Face Fister: And you thought facisim was dead.


Facisim? Are you Subby?
 
2012-10-31 12:05:36 AM

Theaetetus: Eh, just publish the cop's name, picture, and home address, along with a statement that hitting him with 50,000 volts is just in jest and anyone doing so will receive a paid three day vacation. Problem solved.


Rambino: Jordache?


You two, right next to each other.
 
2012-10-31 12:05:39 AM

kinkkerbelle: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

The Smoking Gun has included details that make the story make a bit more sense. Link

Still a stupid move by the cop in question but TSG's version isn't as one-sided.


No - TSG's version includes the cop's "I was just joking around" defense, which makes this situation worse. Cop shoots kid with Taser. Cop tries to conceal that he shot kid with Taser - after all, if he can clean the kid up in a school bathroom before another adult sees what's going on, who's to know, right? Cop gets caught by teacher, both end up at principal's office. Cop claims an accident, stunned parent brings kid home, finally hears kid's side of the story, starts proceedings.

Cop isn't just stupid - he's an unethical liar, too. And, as we often hear when someone else is arrested, "if he's willing to lie about this, what else has he lied about?" He's not just demonstrated the decision-making skills of an idiot, but the trustworthiness of a used car salesman working on commission - that's not a cop that should be wearing a uniform at this point.
 
2012-10-31 12:05:52 AM

Goodfella: Slimy wet-nosed kids these days sure can learn the value of some good discipline.


i575.photobucket.com

He should be thankful the cop was just joking around.
 
2012-10-31 12:07:24 AM

kinkkerbelle: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

The Smoking Gun has included details that make the story make a bit more sense. Link

Still a stupid move by the cop in question but TSG's version isn't as one-sided.


I also like how the cop tried to cover up the incident. That's an aggravating factor in many sentencing guidelines.
 
2012-10-31 12:08:42 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

In Russia, news submits you!


I just asummed that TSG and Daily Mail were hosted on the same server ass fark...
 
2012-10-31 12:09:28 AM

Relatively Obscure: Also, from that TSG link:

The child was hit with the taser probes during a demonstration earlier this year at Tularosa Elementary School, where Officer Christopher Webb spoke to groups of students in the school playground about gun and taser safety.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


My fave is still the video of the cop lecturing some school kids about not messing with guns and then accidentally shooting himself.
 
2012-10-31 12:10:02 AM

Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.


So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.
 
2012-10-31 12:12:57 AM

FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.


I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.
 
2012-10-31 12:13:48 AM

jjorsett:
My fave is still the video of the cop lecturing some school kids about not messing with guns and then accidentally shooting himself.


At least that cop remembered the first rule of gun safety.
 
2012-10-31 12:14:01 AM
doglover: R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.

Says you. What if some dark night a 10 year old pops up and demands to not wash my car!? What am I gonna do?

Taze the little farker of course


No, I think if he's on your property you can go ahead and shoot him.
 
2012-10-31 12:14:11 AM

tetsoushima:
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He should be thankful the cop was just joking around.


You know what I always think of when I see that picture? That the relatives, instead of calming the boy and getting him ready to be handed over to his father, hid him in a closet, then called the media to make sure they had a picture of when the terrified kid was found.

Fark em sideways. I'm glad he went back to Cuba with his dad.
 
2012-10-31 12:16:57 AM

Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.


The way cops have become in this country, it could say, "Cop shoots up a school due to kids at the playground "lookin' at him funny" " -- would you actually doubt that?

Years ago, sure. You'd say, "that ain't right... let me go verify this story." Nowadays, it's "meh... par for the course."
 
2012-10-31 12:18:14 AM

BafflerMeal: FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.

I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.



RT is like Radio Free Europe used to be. Except we in the US are in need of it's services now.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:13 AM

cryinoutloud: tetsoushima:
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He should be thankful the cop was just joking around.

You know what I always think of when I see that picture? That the relatives, instead of calming the boy and getting him ready to be handed over to his father, hid him in a closet, then called the media to make sure they had a picture of when the terrified kid was found.

Fark em sideways. I'm glad he went back to Cuba with his dad.


Yeah, they were in it for the free stuff and celebrity.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:28 AM
Now will you guys start backing me up in saying bad cops need to be hung?
 
2012-10-31 12:20:31 AM

fnordfocus: Rambino: Cops are not (supposed to be) immune from criminal prosecution.

Since when?

Officers are generally immune from criminal or civil liability for anything they do on-duty, or as part of duties.


You need some sort of good-faith excuse to qualify for that immunity. You can't do something blatantly illegal or unfathomably stupid. You know, like shoot a kid with a Taser at point-blank range either a) because you were mad that he talked back to you; or b) because you pointed the weapon at him as a 'joke' and accidentally fired it at him.

See, e.g., the cop who went to jail for manslaughter when he "accidentally" shot a kid in the back while he was lying face down on the ground in an Oakland subway station.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:46 AM
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From an old PS contest.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:49 AM

R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.


I agree.

Barring that, I just want cops to be held to the same legal standards as the rest of us. If a civilian security guard did the exact same thing, he'd be looking at multiple felony charges... not a civil suit against his employer which won't cost him personally a dime.

While I can understand the need for some level of sovereign immunity, but it should not be a get-out-of-jail-free card for cops. The "good faith" exemption is so broad as to basically make cops completely immune from any liability. Any kind of provable misconduct on the cops' part should automatically invalidate any good faith defense. If a cop commits a crime in the line of duty, he should be held to the same standards as anyone else. Things like undercover operations or sting operations should require prior judicial approval.
 
2012-10-31 12:21:04 AM
Look here's how it works, you can either get hit with a taser or the cop can give you a beat-down with his PR-24 baton. Which one would you prefer? Little shiat should have done what the cop told him to do then took it up with Internal Affairs afterward if he thought it was wrong. It's called "The System" for a reason people!
 
2012-10-31 12:23:09 AM
Sorry to be late to the party. Here's the original from CourtHouseNews.com.

RT for once wasn't making shiat up.
 
2012-10-31 12:23:29 AM

2words1finger: Look here's how it works, you can either get hit with a taser or the cop can give you a beat-down with his PR-24 baton. Which one would you prefer? Little shiat should have done what the cop told him to do then took it up with Internal Affairs afterward if he thought it was wrong. It's called "The System" for a reason people!


I want to say that you're a troll, but I've known too many morons in my travels.
 
2012-10-31 12:27:24 AM
I personally don't give a good god damn if it was an accident.

fark this guy he did what he did.

His family on the other hand if he has one probably doesn't deserve to suffer from his farkup so lock his ass up and pay them a part of his salary while he works his ass off in JAIL!

Genpop too cause I hear prisoners like cops...
 
2012-10-31 12:27:47 AM
So was the kid black, brown, or white?
 
2012-10-31 12:29:32 AM
Aasshole

albatros183: antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

In Russia, news submits you!

I just asummed that TSG and Daily Mail were hosted on the same server ass fark...


Ass fark?
 
2012-10-31 12:30:12 AM
99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.
 
2012-10-31 12:31:13 AM
Wasn't the tazer was supposed to be the alternative to lethal force. If he didn't have the tazer avaliable would he have shot him with his service revolver?

These are not just toys you can go zapping people with. Tazers have been implicated in peoples deaths. Bad things happen to those who don't consider the consequences of their actions. These cops deserve bad things.
 
2012-10-31 12:33:09 AM
www.fredposner.com

Pretty please, with sugar on top. Clean the farking car.
 
2012-10-31 12:35:59 AM

MrSplifferton: So was the kid black, brown, or white?


Tularosa NM--good chance he was brown.
 
2012-10-31 12:37:19 AM
The police department will defend him with their dying breath. Even if he loses the civil suit, he'll get 3 weeks' paid vacation, and then back to community outreach.
 
2012-10-31 12:38:00 AM

stiletto_the_wise: 99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.


Good point.

And also - this case is another reason why it is important that we have tort reform, so that frivilous suits like this don't result in silly punitive damages. At best, the court should award the kid a new t-shirt (to replace the one with holes in it).
 
2012-10-31 12:38:47 AM

indylaw: See, e.g., the cop who went to jail for manslaughter when he "accidentally" shot a kid in the back while he was lying face down on the ground in an Oakland subway station.


It's not clear to me that Officer Mehserle actually served his time in a jail, but that's beside the point.

Anyhow, he's about to get his sentence overturned on the ground that he should have been sentenced to probation because the shooting was merely criminally negligent and not "extraordinary and outrageous." If that happens, he'll have at worst a misdemeanor on his record and can sue to get his badge back.
 
2012-10-31 12:39:19 AM
Hey, lets be honest. We've all known a child we'd like to zap.
 
2012-10-31 12:41:03 AM
Yeah TASERS because they're a safe alternative to filling kids full of hot lead.

or is it?
Link

Point is, NO - not safe, not safe by a long shot-

can't for the life of me find the article that expounded on not being able to sue the mfgr for damages or some such thing grrrr
 
2012-10-31 12:43:57 AM

cryinoutloud: MrSplifferton: So was the kid black, brown, or white?

Tularosa NM--good chance he was brown.


That explains why the mom said she understood when talking to the cops. White mother would have been raising hell initially. That and the cop wouldn't have farkin joked with a weapon loaded or not with a white kid.
 
2012-10-31 12:46:06 AM

Marcintosh: Yeah TASERS because they're a safe alternative to filling kids full of hot lead.


The completely farked up thing is that "excited delirium" is being used as an excuse to deny TASERed people medical care, even when their hearts stop.

And, that a doctor who says someone died from a TASER instead of "excited delirium" is likely to end up in court, or with criminal charges.
 
2012-10-31 12:47:11 AM

freetomato: I'm generally pro-cop (have worked with many who are now at the federal level, and my husband's best friend is a county one) who are all decent guys dealing with the scum of society. Yeah, there are corrupt and evil ones, but like someone mentioned in reference to disaster relief agencies, they do good frequently, they only get on the news when they F up.

This guy sounds like a moron who shouldn't be in charge of security at a mini-storage facility.


This.

I can understand good cops, and I can understand evil cops. But dummies who pull crap like this should NOT be allowed to be cops--they do more damage by accident than the evil ones ever do on purpose.
 
2012-10-31 12:49:18 AM

jake_lex: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

The cop is enough of an asshat in the real story without RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation. I mean, pointing a taser at a kid, even as a "joke", is an incredibly asshole-ish thing to do.



Granted. But RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation here is, put simply, a deliberate lie. Given this sort of lack of ethical standards, it would be nice if people would avoid submitting from RT. (not to mention Pravda and its "MIRACLE HEALING BOY DISCOVERED, VISITED BY ALIENS!" crap)

For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.
 
2012-10-31 12:53:18 AM

Isildur: jake_lex: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

The cop is enough of an asshat in the real story without RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation. I mean, pointing a taser at a kid, even as a "joke", is an incredibly asshole-ish thing to do.


Granted. But RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation here is, put simply, a deliberate lie. Given this sort of lack of ethical standards, it would be nice if people would avoid submitting from RT. (not to mention Pravda and its "MIRACLE HEALING BOY DISCOVERED, VISITED BY ALIENS!" crap)

For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.


Lots of people say the same thing about Breitbart, Townhall, and American Thinker...
 
2012-10-31 01:02:45 AM
Thank you Officer Webb. You are a hero. It's all the other "bad apples" that this child is going to be fearful of in his future.
 
2012-10-31 01:03:42 AM

fnordfocus: Anyhow, he's about to get his sentence overturned on the ground that he should have been sentenced to probation because the shooting was merely criminally negligent and not "extraordinary and outrageous." If that happens, he'll have at worst a misdemeanor on his record and can sue to get his badge back.


These points aside, I was addressing a statement about immunity for cops. Even if he gets away with a misdemeanor conviction, that's still criminal. Besides, he did serve a year in prison on a two-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

I doubt the appeal will be successful. They can claim that their version of what happened all they want - the jury heard both sides and are entitled to find as they found.
 
2012-10-31 01:04:13 AM
Unless the kid is coming at you with a weapon or is kicking your ass because he's a bad ass, you have not a reason to taze a kid.
 
2012-10-31 01:06:23 AM
There's something really wrong with our system and our policing when idiots like this officer don't get fired immediately and have charges pending.
 
2012-10-31 01:11:04 AM

slashmonkey: Wasn't the tazer was supposed to be the alternative to lethal force. If he didn't have the tazer avaliable would he have shot him with his service revolver?


That's part of the problem, though. I think these cops get a Taser and they're told that it's "nonlethal" and it gives them license to start using it in situations where they'd never point a gun or even use a stick. Taser a guy you shouldn't have? Tough shiat, most of the time it's just momentarily painful and humiliating. You don't get a lot of damages for that and so many lawyers won't take those cases. Kill a guy? Taser will fly you out your very own expert shill with an M.D. who will swear on a stack of Bibles that Tasers are 100% safe and everyone who dies dies because of "excited delirium" which they will claim happens when you do cocaine (and what jury wants to fault a cop for subduing a crazed druggie?)

I think it's safe to say that no cop would point a handgun at a child even in jest, but they might point a Taser because "hey, what's the worst that could happen?" Tase a kid. Tase two. Tase the dumb broad who mouths off to you when you want to search her house without a warrant. Tase anyone who gets an attitude. It's all good. You don't have to think. You don't have to exercise people skills or judgment. Just zap the farkers and let the courts sort them out.
 
2012-10-31 01:13:08 AM

albatros183: antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

In Russia, news submits you!

I just asummed that TSG and Daily Mail were hosted on the same server ass fark...


Really? I'm the first?
 
2012-10-31 01:16:31 AM
Also,

Abby Martin

rt.com

That is all
 
2012-10-31 01:20:57 AM

indylaw: These points aside, I was addressing a statement about immunity for cops. Even if he gets away with a misdemeanor conviction, that's still criminal. Besides, he did serve a year in prison on a two-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

I doubt the appeal will be successful. They can claim that their version of what happened all they want - the jury heard both sides and are entitled to find as they found.


If the appeal succeeds, it's very unlikely that the new DA will retry the case so Mehserle may have no record.

Anyhow, the argument is that shooting a ten year old is just regular dumbfarkery and not "extraordinary and outrageous," so this Officer can't be charged. It's moot, since he's already served three days of paid leave, so double jeopardy rules protect him from any further administrative or criminal penalties.
 
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