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(Russia Today)   Police officer uses taser on 10 year old boy to "show [him] what happens to people who do not listen to the police", because the boy stated that he didn't want to clean the officer's squad car during career day   (rt.com) divider line 231
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2012-10-30 08:34:13 PM  
I sentence him to a rape-rape prison.
 
2012-10-30 08:41:28 PM  
What I want to know is if the kid now cleans cars after he is asked the first time.
 
2012-10-30 08:43:07 PM  
It's police officers like this one that make me decry the Second Circuit's decision in Jordan v. New London
 
2012-10-30 09:14:31 PM  
This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?
 
2012-10-30 09:21:34 PM  
Defendant Webb, the complaint suggests, responded by pointing his Taser at R.D. and saying, 'Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.'" The officer then allegedly fired two barbs from the device at the child's chest, penetrating his shirt.

ya know, technically that's true. if you don't obey orders, the cops will generally taser the f*ck outta you. this shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone at all.
 
2012-10-30 09:30:27 PM  
It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.
 
2012-10-30 09:40:31 PM  
Heh. NM. High illiteracy, teen pregnancy and one of the last states to intervene in DV charges amongst couples. Great place and they got some smokin' green chile.
 
2012-10-30 09:45:26 PM  

Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?


The Smoking Gun
 
2012-10-30 09:46:59 PM  

TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

The Smoking Gun


Huh. Never came up on my search. I got Infowars and shiat like that. Thanks! I'll check this one out.
 
2012-10-30 09:51:12 PM  
TSG's article is significantly better.
 
2012-10-30 09:53:39 PM  

Relatively Obscure: TSG's article is significantly better.


Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.
 
2012-10-30 09:58:18 PM  
That's assault and battery with a dangerous weapon even if it was an accident. Was the officer charged?
 
2012-10-30 10:07:02 PM  
Also, from that TSG link:

The child was hit with the taser probes during a demonstration earlier this year at Tularosa Elementary School, where Officer Christopher Webb spoke to groups of students in the school playground about gun and taser safety.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
 
2012-10-30 10:16:00 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Also, from that TSG link:

The child was hit with the taser probes during a demonstration earlier this year at Tularosa Elementary School, where Officer Christopher Webb spoke to groups of students in the school playground about gun and taser safety.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


Taze me one shame on you...
 
2012-10-30 10:16:16 PM  
Squad card?
www.upperdeck.com 

You aren't supposed to jack off on those things man.
 
2012-10-30 10:28:11 PM  
Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?
 
2012-10-30 10:39:00 PM  
This is an outrage! There is no way a kid should be hit with a full Taser.

There needs to be some kind of half-power alternative available for law enforcement, teachers, crossing guards and older lawn owners to flourish. Maybe older siblings, too.
 
2012-10-30 10:44:18 PM  

GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?


In Russia, news submits you!
 
2012-10-30 10:49:43 PM  

RTOGUY: What I want to know is if the kid now cleans cars after he is asked the first time.


You know, this could catch on. Young parents nowadays don't seem to know how to discipline their children in public places, so they just let them misbehave to everyone else's misery. If the kid-tasing thing became acceptable, we could be looking at an entirely new era in collective child rearing.

"Hi folks... You're little snowflake seems to have ants in her pants today. Did you forget to bring your taser with you? Don't sweat it -- I'll just use mine..." (*ZAP!!!*)

Yeah... I like that...
 
2012-10-30 10:58:03 PM  
Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.
 
2012-10-30 11:08:29 PM  
God bless our brave boys in blue.
 
2012-10-30 11:09:00 PM  

R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.


Says you. What if some dark night a 10 year old pops up and demands to not wash my car!? What am I gonna do?
 
2012-10-30 11:10:00 PM  

doglover: R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.

Says you. What if some dark night a 10 year old pops up and demands to not wash my car!? What am I gonna do?


Taze the little farker of course
 
2012-10-30 11:10:01 PM  

GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?


The cop is enough of an asshat in the real story without RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation. I mean, pointing a taser at a kid, even as a "joke", is an incredibly asshole-ish thing to do.
 
2012-10-30 11:10:46 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I sentence him to a rape-rape prison.


That seems like an extreme sentence for refusing to clean someone's car.
 
2012-10-30 11:12:23 PM  
Well given the usual fark stories I guess we should be glad that he wasn't shot and killed and then have loaded gun and crack planted on him.
 
2012-10-30 11:12:35 PM  

Rincewind53: Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


Do you know what "I didn't realize it was loaded" really means?

"I was doing shiat I knew was wrong"

This is not jest, this is not a mistake.

This is criminal gross misconduct, assault and battery.
 
2012-10-30 11:13:59 PM  

"Officer Chris Webb of the New Mexico Department of Public Safety is being sued in court after allegedly using his Taser-brand stun gun on a school playground to send 50,000 volts of electricity into a young boy's body, forcing the child to blackout."


Mistake or not the cop shouldn't be aiming tasers at anyone he's not going to use it on. Imagine if a citizen accidentally tasered someone. How likely would it be that you would have charges filed against you to let a jury decide your fate?

 
2012-10-30 11:14:10 PM  

Rusty Shackleford: This is an outrage! There is no way a kid should be hit with a full Taser.

There needs to be some kind of half-power alternative available for law enforcement, teachers, crossing guards and older lawn owners to flourish. Maybe older siblings, too.


I always thought the invisible fences and shock collars should be available for use on (my) children who were a little difficult to manage. But never a full-power tazer. I reserve the use of those for dangerous criminals and those idiots in the power chairs and hoverounds who knock my ankles or block the aisles in the supermarket because they can't drive.
 
2012-10-30 11:14:18 PM  

basemetal: That's assault and battery with a dangerous weapon even if it was an accident. Was the officer charged?


Apparantly so, and the kid was grounded.

This sounds more like an accident than anything. Bust his ass for being an idiot, maybe straight up fire him, but no jail time. Maybe some probation amf community service.
 
2012-10-30 11:15:35 PM  

Rincewind53: Relatively Obscure: TSG's article is significantly better.

Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


It really doesn't matter to me for liability purposes whether he intended to shoot the kid in a malicious way or it was an accident. You don't point a weapon at child. You don't point a weapon at anyone if you're not planning to use it. This is what happens. What if it had been a real gun? They'll be cleaning chunks of his intestines from the sidewalk.
 
2012-10-30 11:15:37 PM  

Rincewind53: Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid.


I can criticize him to taking the kid to the Principal's office for further punishment rather than allowing him to receive medical care.

Plus that's a farking lame excuse. If a civilian were to claim "I didn't know it was loaded" he would be in jail with no bail. This Officer won't even get paid leave.
 
2012-10-30 11:15:59 PM  
I'm generally pro-cop (have worked with many who are now at the federal level, and my husband's best friend is a county one) who are all decent guys dealing with the scum of society. Yeah, there are corrupt and evil ones, but like someone mentioned in reference to disaster relief agencies, they do good frequently, they only get on the news when they F up.

This guy sounds like a moron who shouldn't be in charge of security at a mini-storage facility.
 
2012-10-30 11:16:22 PM  
At what point do we start giving IQ tests to potential police officers? Oh wait, if we did that we wouldn't have any police officers. No one with two digits or more would take such a job.
 
2012-10-30 11:16:31 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: basemetal: That's assault and battery with a dangerous weapon even if it was an accident. Was the officer charged?

Apparantly so, and the kid was grounded.

This sounds more like an accident than anything. Bust his ass for being an idiot, maybe straight up fire him, but no jail time. Maybe some probation amf community service.


I dunno what I'd recommend, here. But if he legit pointed a weapon at someone on purpose, even if the discharge of it was likely accidental, I don't have much sympathy for him. He should certainly know better.
 
2012-10-30 11:18:15 PM  
"Let me teach you what police officers in North Korea do in case you're ever there and asked to clean up a car!"
 
2012-10-30 11:18:20 PM  
Weather or not the cop knew the taser was "loaded" he should be shiat canned.
 
2012-10-30 11:18:51 PM  
So did the other 2 kids clean the officer's car or what?
 
2012-10-30 11:19:13 PM  
Whatever the sentence is for the cop it should include 3 years of washing their family car once per week.
Maybe then next time he'll remember to check to see if it's loaded.
 
2012-10-30 11:19:45 PM  

Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?


RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

So, basically, crap?
 
2012-10-30 11:20:01 PM  

Mixolydian Master: So did the other 2 kids clean the officer's car or what?


Damn straight they did. And fast.
 
2012-10-30 11:20:02 PM  
That is a SERIOUS lapse in judgement. So much so, that I would think the powers that be would have to re-evaluate whether this clown is even responsible enough to carry a gun with a badge that gives him a broad berth to use it.
 
2012-10-30 11:20:40 PM  
There's no 'accident' here.

The man does not deserve to wear that badge, or any other, ever again.

Furthermore, send him to PMITA prison.

Kids can be obnoxious little farkers, but you don't tase them til they're 18.
 
2012-10-30 11:20:52 PM  
I would have just shot the kid.
 
2012-10-30 11:21:14 PM  
"removed it from the holster not realizing I put the cartridge back on. The taser accidentally discharged hitting a boy directly in the chest."

Why is he not being charged with assault? What would a civilian be charged with if they 'accidentally' did this to a 10 year old, or any other person for that matter?


Webb added that he waited until the arrival of the student's mother, who agreed with the cop's suggestion to take the boy "to the doctor for safety precautions."

Webb added that the boy's mother "stated that she wasn't mad at what had happened."


Yes, getting mad at the the cop that just tased your kid for a bullshiat reason is the perfect thing to do. Once you tase the parent because they were all pissed off and screaming in your face, you can deflect accusations of your own incompetence more efficiently.
 
2012-10-30 11:22:10 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I dunno what I'd recommend, here. But if he legit pointed a weapon at someone on purpose, even if the discharge of it was likely accidental, I don't have much sympathy for him. He should certainly know better.


If they don't fire them, then they should suspend him for a year, force him to take intensive weapons safety and training courses, and make him stand out on the main intersection of town with a sandwich sign saying "Never point a weapon at someone, even if you think it's not loaded, even if it's a joke. I should know. I used a Taser on a defenseless child" for a day in the summer sun. Then, if he still wants to be a cop, reinstate him with a babysitter.
 
2012-10-30 11:22:42 PM  

TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

The Smoking Gun


Fark is doing a shiatty job with greens today.
 
2012-10-30 11:22:49 PM  

hlehmann: At what point do we start giving IQ tests to potential police officers? Oh wait, if we did that we wouldn't have any police officers. No one with two digits or more would take such a job.


Certain jurisdictions essentially do, and fire people who score too high.
 
2012-10-30 11:23:03 PM  

andyofne: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

So, basically, crap?


I was wondering about this, but for a Russian journalist, it must be nice to report on news in a country that won't kill you for doing your job.
 
2012-10-30 11:23:10 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

You see what happens, R.D.? You see what happens when you REFUSE TO CLEAN AN OFFICER'S CAR?
 
2012-10-30 11:23:36 PM  
www.clevescene.com

And thats why you don't not listen to the police.
 
2012-10-30 11:23:40 PM  

Cinaed: The man does not deserve to wear that badge, or any other, ever again.


There's no chance at all of administrative punishment or personal liability for this Officer.

The only question is if the kid's parents win a few grand from the state, and whether the Officer's buddies arrest them on bogus charges or just shoot them later.
 
2012-10-30 11:24:18 PM  
The kid refuses to do something on career day. A verbal warning, maybe bringing the kid to the principal. But pointing a weapon at a child? This is one of the rare times where the parents are definitely within their rights to sue the department. Talk about trauma. Jebus.
 
2012-10-30 11:24:27 PM  
And this, you youngins, is why they are called "pigs".
 
2012-10-30 11:24:33 PM  

andyofne: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

So, basically, crap?


Combine The Sun and Cold War-era Pravda and you get RT.
 
2012-10-30 11:25:03 PM  

fnordfocus: Rincewind53: Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid.

I can criticize him to taking the kid to the Principal's office for further punishment rather than allowing him to receive medical care.

Plus that's a farking lame excuse. If a civilian were to claim "I didn't know it was loaded" he would be in jail with no bail. This Officer won't even get paid leave.


Nah, Civilian would be shot for pointing a deadly weapon and officer safety.
 
2012-10-30 11:25:05 PM  
www.retroist.com
 
2012-10-30 11:25:45 PM  
what is a squad card?
 
2012-10-30 11:25:50 PM  

fnordfocus: Rincewind53: Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid.

I can criticize him to taking the kid to the Principal's office for further punishment rather than allowing him to receive medical care.


^This. Any time someone is hit with a taser, they need medical attention, whether it's a 10 year old boy, or a 35 year old crack smoking homicide suspect. The effects one of those can have on the heart are completely random, as they vary from person to person.

 
2012-10-30 11:26:07 PM  
At least he didn't clean out the wound with pepper spray.
 
2012-10-30 11:27:09 PM  
farm5.staticflickr.com

So did he clean the car or what?
 
2012-10-30 11:28:04 PM  

Rincewind53: Relatively Obscure: TSG's article is significantly better.

Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


This. He could have made this same mistake had he done it with his pistol. That's why you need to be consistent with the rules, or you'll eventually do something like he did and reload while on 'autopilot', just out of habit.
 
2012-10-30 11:32:02 PM  
Paging cruiser 12 a cop got derpy and needs your help...
 
2012-10-30 11:32:50 PM  

Semantic Warrior: ^This. Any time someone is hit with a taser, they need medical attention, whether it's a 10 year old boy, or a 35 year old crack smoking homicide suspect. The effects one of those can have on the heart are completely random, as they vary from person to person.


Thing is, to most Officers, random civilians are barely human and certainly don't qualify as "someone."
 
2012-10-30 11:33:12 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Also, from that TSG link:

The child was hit with the taser probes during a demonstration earlier this year at Tularosa Elementary School, where Officer Christopher Webb spoke to groups of students in the school playground about gun and taser safety.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


I don't know... That's a demonstration of the consequences negligent gun handling that those kids are not likely to forget. Kind of brilliant if you ask me. :P
 
2012-10-30 11:33:14 PM  
And now he's on the police policy board... you know, to get him off the street.
 
2012-10-30 11:33:36 PM  

Rincewind53: Relatively Obscure: TSG's article is significantly better.

Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


A TASER at a kid in jest.

Try pointing a gun a cop in jest, see what happens. This cop is extremely terrible.
 
2012-10-30 11:34:58 PM  
WTF is an "officer's squad card"
 
2012-10-30 11:35:49 PM  
Did anyone else notice that this isn't his first Taser AD? His letter of explanation says he's fired one off in the trunk of his cruiser, too. This dude needs not to be allowed near things with triggers.
 
2012-10-30 11:36:03 PM  
"Assume Device is Loaded. Always assume that a TASER device is loaded. Do not point a TASER device at anything you do not intend to hit."
-Taser X26C operating manual

That rule is inviolable. The cop should be fired.
 
2012-10-30 11:36:33 PM  

basemetal: That's assault and battery with a dangerous weapon even if it was an accident. Was the officer charged?


Well, he seemed positive that the Taser was not carrying a full load.
 
2012-10-30 11:36:53 PM  

GAT_00: andyofne: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

So, basically, crap?

Combine The Sun and Cold War-era Pravda and you get RT most major media.

 
2012-10-30 11:37:09 PM  
TSG's more informative version of the story says the cop contends it was an accident. I'm OK with that, since it means he's already publicly confessed to felony reckless endangerment. I'd love to see a reporter from the local news station stick a mic and camera in front of the DA and ask why felony charges haven't been filed against the cop on an apparently open and shut case.
 
2012-10-30 11:39:20 PM  

Farking Lurker: Paging ... a cop got derpy and needs your help...


I don't know if it's ok to call anyone out by name, but about 20% of Farkers claim to work in public safety and I haven't seen one comment yet.

So, let's go with something like "this is clearly against Department policy so it didn't actually happen," and "Officer safety would have justified shooting the kid, who is clearly an illegal immigrant and a future rapist, so he's just lucky it was only a TASER."
 
2012-10-30 11:40:23 PM  
I call BS. Cop doing the typical cop thing. Abusing people to get his jollys. I expect nothing better from ANY cop. Violent thugs we would for the most part be better off without. I don't fear criminals since I usually can protect myself. I DO fear police.
 
2012-10-30 11:40:30 PM  

pheelix: I'd love to see a reporter from the local news station stick a mic and camera in front of the DA and ask why felony charges haven't been filed against the cop on an apparently open and shut case.


Because felony charges are for little people.
 
2012-10-30 11:43:21 PM  

Farking Lurker: Paging cruiser 12 a cop got derpy and needs your help...


Beat me to it. But in lieu of C-12 being on a donut break, I'll focus on this knucklehead

Rincewind53: Relatively Obscure: TSG's article is significantly better.

Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


So ignorance of rules and laws is OK if you're a cop? Since there's no actual corpse, there's no harm done?

And you seem to be implying that you wouldn't criticize him for pointing ANY weapon at a child? Even if it's "in jest"? C-12 might not be the biggest retard in these "Cops Uber Alles" threads after all. That's no small feat.
 
2012-10-30 11:44:18 PM  
And you thought facisim was dead.
 
2012-10-30 11:46:05 PM  

fnordfocus: pheelix: I'd love to see a reporter from the local news station stick a mic and camera in front of the DA and ask why felony charges haven't been filed against the cop on an apparently open and shut case.

Because felony charges are for little people.


Hence the reason I'd love to see a reporter shame the DA into doing the right thing.
 
2012-10-30 11:46:06 PM  

devlin carnate:

Since there's no actual corpse, there's no harm done?


Yeah, that usually not too big of a deal either, even less at time. Dead men can't refute your lie.
 
2012-10-30 11:46:35 PM  
Too bad cops can't be held individually (personally) liable for stuff like this. The family will sue the city, they'll get paid off by the taxpayers and the cop won't really care.
 
2012-10-30 11:48:05 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I would have just shot the kid.


Kid went for his gun. He told him it wasn't a toy, but the little thug was irresistibly drawn to it. Bad genes.
 
2012-10-30 11:48:30 PM  
Just reading stories like this makes my heartrate go crazy.

Few things are guaranteed to insta-piss me off like police abuse. This shiat takes me right to the edge of postal. 

... and of course nothing will happen to this abomination of a blue-clad 'tard.
 
2012-10-30 11:49:39 PM  

dj_bigbird: Too bad cops can't be held individually (personally) liable for stuff like this. The family will sue the city, they'll get paid off by the taxpayers and the cop won't really care.


The city, its insurance policy, and the tax payers have more money than the cop. No point in suing the cop himself for millions of dollars, you'd never see it.
 
2012-10-30 11:50:00 PM  

Rincewind53: Relatively Obscure: TSG's article is significantly better.

Yeah, it pretty much validates exactly what I thought had happened; cop made a mistake. Now, you can criticize him for pointing what he thought was an unloaded Taser at a kid in jest, but he clearly didn't mean to shoot the kid. But this is why gun safety rule number one is never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


"I didn't think it was loaded" can't possibly be successful in court, especially for a cop.
 
2012-10-30 11:50:16 PM  

dj_bigbird: Too bad cops can't be held individually (personally) liable for stuff like this. The family will sue the city, they'll get paid off by the taxpayers and the cop won't really care.


Sure they can. Won't, but can.

A crime was committed here. Cops are not (supposed to be) immune from criminal prosecution.
 
2012-10-30 11:51:23 PM  
Eh, just publish the cop's name, picture, and home address, along with a statement that hitting him with 50,000 volts is just in jest and anyone doing so will receive a paid three day vacation. Problem solved.
 
2012-10-30 11:51:28 PM  

cryinoutloud: farkingismybusiness: I would have just shot the kid.

Kid went for his gun. He told him it wasn't a toy, but the little thug was irresistibly drawn to it. Bad genes.


Jordache?

/Sorry. It's late.
 
2012-10-30 11:51:34 PM  
Mistake or not, anyone else who did this would get jail time.

What an idiot. He should resign from the force in emarrassment. It's amazing that anyone would want someone so incompetent on their force. Or he's lying and really wanted to teach the kid to shut up and not talk back to an officer. Either way, get rid of him.

I can't imagine making a mistake this huge, and not wanting to hide in shame. But he thinks he can still be a cop. Wow...some people have extremely low standards for themselves.
 
2012-10-30 11:51:53 PM  
Seriously in my line of work I am held to a "higher standard" I get told that all the time and I have to tell my guys the same.

Whats wrong with cops and why aren't these shiatbirds rightfully nailed to the farking wall.
 
2012-10-30 11:52:35 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-30 11:53:51 PM  

Rambino: Cops are not (supposed to be) immune from criminal prosecution.


Since when?

Officers are generally immune from criminal or civil liability for anything they do on-duty, or as part of duties.
 
2012-10-30 11:54:06 PM  

TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

The Smoking Gun


So old news is old news. ("...the May 4 Career Day")

This guy should be sentenced to being repeatedly shocked in prison 3 times a day.
 
2012-10-30 11:54:39 PM  
Finally we have a story of someone in authority sticking something other than his penis into a 10 year old boy.
 
2012-10-30 11:54:51 PM  

Farking Lurker: Seriously in my line of work I am held to a "higher standard" I get told that all the time and I have to tell my guys the same.

Whats wrong with cops and why aren't these shiatbirds rightfully nailed to the farking wall.


Seriously. In my world, anyone involved in enforcing laws (cops, prosecutors, judges) is held to a higher standard. If any of these commit actual crimes, all sentences are doubled.
 
2012-10-30 11:55:36 PM  

R.A.Danny: doglover: R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.

Says you. What if some dark night a 10 year old pops up and demands to not wash my car!? What am I gonna do?

Taze the little farker of course


I don't have a tazer! Can't buy one, either.

This is why we need cops.
 
2012-10-30 11:55:39 PM  

Rambino: Just reading stories like this makes my heartrate go crazy.

Few things are guaranteed to insta-piss me off like police abuse. This shiat takes me right to the edge of postal. 

... and of course nothing will happen to this abomination of a blue-clad 'tard.


The first part is annoying. The second part is what drives me insane.

Well, that and pelvic thrusts.
 
2012-10-30 11:56:35 PM  

Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

The Smoking Gun has included details that make the story make a bit more sense. Link

Still a stupid move by the cop in question but TSG's version isn't as one-sided.

 
2012-10-30 11:56:38 PM  

SanjiSasuke: So old news is old news. ("...the May 4 Career Day")


You can't just sue a state. First, you make a claim for damages. They can pay it, tell you to fark off, or allow you to sue. That takes time. In this case 6-7 months seems reasonable.
 
2012-10-31 12:00:43 AM  
Slimy wet-nosed kids these days sure can learn the value of some good discipline.
 
2012-10-31 12:01:01 AM  
I bet this 10-year old kid will listen to the police from now on, but for the rest of his life he'll never trust a single one.
 
2012-10-31 12:04:07 AM  

fnordfocus: shoot them later


t1.gstatic.com

/i got nuthin'
 
2012-10-31 12:04:22 AM  

fnordfocus: Rambino: Cops are not (supposed to be) immune from criminal prosecution.

Since when?

Officers are generally immune from criminal or civil liability for anything they do on-duty, or as part of duties.


Civil, yes. Mostly.

Criminal, no. They are not immune. They have license to violate certain laws under certain circumstances, but otherwise they are (supposed to be) liable for criminal acts.

Cops don't get to ignore speed limits, for instance. They are only allowed to break the speed limit under specific circumstances (usually pacing, responding to a call, etc.)

They are (sometimes) allowed to point a weapon at a suspect. I can't imagine what rule would allow the police officer to point a weapon at this child.
 
2012-10-31 12:05:09 AM  

Baby Face Fister: And you thought facisim was dead.


Facisim? Are you Subby?
 
2012-10-31 12:05:36 AM  

Theaetetus: Eh, just publish the cop's name, picture, and home address, along with a statement that hitting him with 50,000 volts is just in jest and anyone doing so will receive a paid three day vacation. Problem solved.


Rambino: Jordache?


You two, right next to each other.
 
2012-10-31 12:05:39 AM  

kinkkerbelle: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

The Smoking Gun has included details that make the story make a bit more sense. Link

Still a stupid move by the cop in question but TSG's version isn't as one-sided.


No - TSG's version includes the cop's "I was just joking around" defense, which makes this situation worse. Cop shoots kid with Taser. Cop tries to conceal that he shot kid with Taser - after all, if he can clean the kid up in a school bathroom before another adult sees what's going on, who's to know, right? Cop gets caught by teacher, both end up at principal's office. Cop claims an accident, stunned parent brings kid home, finally hears kid's side of the story, starts proceedings.

Cop isn't just stupid - he's an unethical liar, too. And, as we often hear when someone else is arrested, "if he's willing to lie about this, what else has he lied about?" He's not just demonstrated the decision-making skills of an idiot, but the trustworthiness of a used car salesman working on commission - that's not a cop that should be wearing a uniform at this point.
 
2012-10-31 12:05:52 AM  

Goodfella: Slimy wet-nosed kids these days sure can learn the value of some good discipline.


i575.photobucket.com

He should be thankful the cop was just joking around.
 
2012-10-31 12:07:24 AM  

kinkkerbelle: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

The Smoking Gun has included details that make the story make a bit more sense. Link

Still a stupid move by the cop in question but TSG's version isn't as one-sided.


I also like how the cop tried to cover up the incident. That's an aggravating factor in many sentencing guidelines.
 
2012-10-31 12:08:42 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

In Russia, news submits you!


I just asummed that TSG and Daily Mail were hosted on the same server ass fark...
 
2012-10-31 12:09:28 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Also, from that TSG link:

The child was hit with the taser probes during a demonstration earlier this year at Tularosa Elementary School, where Officer Christopher Webb spoke to groups of students in the school playground about gun and taser safety.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


My fave is still the video of the cop lecturing some school kids about not messing with guns and then accidentally shooting himself.
 
2012-10-31 12:10:02 AM  

Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.


So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.
 
2012-10-31 12:12:57 AM  

FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.


I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.
 
2012-10-31 12:13:48 AM  

jjorsett:
My fave is still the video of the cop lecturing some school kids about not messing with guns and then accidentally shooting himself.


At least that cop remembered the first rule of gun safety.
 
2012-10-31 12:14:01 AM  
doglover: R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.

Says you. What if some dark night a 10 year old pops up and demands to not wash my car!? What am I gonna do?

Taze the little farker of course


No, I think if he's on your property you can go ahead and shoot him.
 
2012-10-31 12:14:11 AM  

tetsoushima:
[i575.photobucket.com image 320x239]
He should be thankful the cop was just joking around.


You know what I always think of when I see that picture? That the relatives, instead of calming the boy and getting him ready to be handed over to his father, hid him in a closet, then called the media to make sure they had a picture of when the terrified kid was found.

Fark em sideways. I'm glad he went back to Cuba with his dad.
 
2012-10-31 12:16:57 AM  

Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.


The way cops have become in this country, it could say, "Cop shoots up a school due to kids at the playground "lookin' at him funny" " -- would you actually doubt that?

Years ago, sure. You'd say, "that ain't right... let me go verify this story." Nowadays, it's "meh... par for the course."
 
2012-10-31 12:18:14 AM  

BafflerMeal: FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.

I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.



RT is like Radio Free Europe used to be. Except we in the US are in need of it's services now.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:13 AM  

cryinoutloud: tetsoushima:
[i575.photobucket.com image 320x239]
He should be thankful the cop was just joking around.

You know what I always think of when I see that picture? That the relatives, instead of calming the boy and getting him ready to be handed over to his father, hid him in a closet, then called the media to make sure they had a picture of when the terrified kid was found.

Fark em sideways. I'm glad he went back to Cuba with his dad.


Yeah, they were in it for the free stuff and celebrity.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:28 AM  
Now will you guys start backing me up in saying bad cops need to be hung?
 
2012-10-31 12:20:31 AM  

fnordfocus: Rambino: Cops are not (supposed to be) immune from criminal prosecution.

Since when?

Officers are generally immune from criminal or civil liability for anything they do on-duty, or as part of duties.


You need some sort of good-faith excuse to qualify for that immunity. You can't do something blatantly illegal or unfathomably stupid. You know, like shoot a kid with a Taser at point-blank range either a) because you were mad that he talked back to you; or b) because you pointed the weapon at him as a 'joke' and accidentally fired it at him.

See, e.g., the cop who went to jail for manslaughter when he "accidentally" shot a kid in the back while he was lying face down on the ground in an Oakland subway station.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:46 AM  
img515.imageshack.us

From an old PS contest.
 
2012-10-31 12:20:49 AM  

R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.


I agree.

Barring that, I just want cops to be held to the same legal standards as the rest of us. If a civilian security guard did the exact same thing, he'd be looking at multiple felony charges... not a civil suit against his employer which won't cost him personally a dime.

While I can understand the need for some level of sovereign immunity, but it should not be a get-out-of-jail-free card for cops. The "good faith" exemption is so broad as to basically make cops completely immune from any liability. Any kind of provable misconduct on the cops' part should automatically invalidate any good faith defense. If a cop commits a crime in the line of duty, he should be held to the same standards as anyone else. Things like undercover operations or sting operations should require prior judicial approval.
 
2012-10-31 12:21:04 AM  
Look here's how it works, you can either get hit with a taser or the cop can give you a beat-down with his PR-24 baton. Which one would you prefer? Little shiat should have done what the cop told him to do then took it up with Internal Affairs afterward if he thought it was wrong. It's called "The System" for a reason people!
 
2012-10-31 12:23:09 AM  
Sorry to be late to the party. Here's the original from CourtHouseNews.com.

RT for once wasn't making shiat up.
 
2012-10-31 12:23:29 AM  

2words1finger: Look here's how it works, you can either get hit with a taser or the cop can give you a beat-down with his PR-24 baton. Which one would you prefer? Little shiat should have done what the cop told him to do then took it up with Internal Affairs afterward if he thought it was wrong. It's called "The System" for a reason people!


I want to say that you're a troll, but I've known too many morons in my travels.
 
2012-10-31 12:27:24 AM  
I personally don't give a good god damn if it was an accident.

fark this guy he did what he did.

His family on the other hand if he has one probably doesn't deserve to suffer from his farkup so lock his ass up and pay them a part of his salary while he works his ass off in JAIL!

Genpop too cause I hear prisoners like cops...
 
2012-10-31 12:27:47 AM  
So was the kid black, brown, or white?
 
2012-10-31 12:29:32 AM  
Aasshole

albatros183: antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

In Russia, news submits you!

I just asummed that TSG and Daily Mail were hosted on the same server ass fark...


Ass fark?
 
2012-10-31 12:30:12 AM  
99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.
 
2012-10-31 12:31:13 AM  
Wasn't the tazer was supposed to be the alternative to lethal force. If he didn't have the tazer avaliable would he have shot him with his service revolver?

These are not just toys you can go zapping people with. Tazers have been implicated in peoples deaths. Bad things happen to those who don't consider the consequences of their actions. These cops deserve bad things.
 
2012-10-31 12:33:09 AM  
www.fredposner.com

Pretty please, with sugar on top. Clean the farking car.
 
2012-10-31 12:35:59 AM  

MrSplifferton: So was the kid black, brown, or white?


Tularosa NM--good chance he was brown.
 
2012-10-31 12:37:19 AM  
The police department will defend him with their dying breath. Even if he loses the civil suit, he'll get 3 weeks' paid vacation, and then back to community outreach.
 
2012-10-31 12:38:00 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: 99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.


Good point.

And also - this case is another reason why it is important that we have tort reform, so that frivilous suits like this don't result in silly punitive damages. At best, the court should award the kid a new t-shirt (to replace the one with holes in it).
 
2012-10-31 12:38:47 AM  

indylaw: See, e.g., the cop who went to jail for manslaughter when he "accidentally" shot a kid in the back while he was lying face down on the ground in an Oakland subway station.


It's not clear to me that Officer Mehserle actually served his time in a jail, but that's beside the point.

Anyhow, he's about to get his sentence overturned on the ground that he should have been sentenced to probation because the shooting was merely criminally negligent and not "extraordinary and outrageous." If that happens, he'll have at worst a misdemeanor on his record and can sue to get his badge back.
 
2012-10-31 12:39:19 AM  
Hey, lets be honest. We've all known a child we'd like to zap.
 
2012-10-31 12:41:03 AM  
Yeah TASERS because they're a safe alternative to filling kids full of hot lead.

or is it?
Link

Point is, NO - not safe, not safe by a long shot-

can't for the life of me find the article that expounded on not being able to sue the mfgr for damages or some such thing grrrr
 
2012-10-31 12:43:57 AM  

cryinoutloud: MrSplifferton: So was the kid black, brown, or white?

Tularosa NM--good chance he was brown.


That explains why the mom said she understood when talking to the cops. White mother would have been raising hell initially. That and the cop wouldn't have farkin joked with a weapon loaded or not with a white kid.
 
2012-10-31 12:46:06 AM  

Marcintosh: Yeah TASERS because they're a safe alternative to filling kids full of hot lead.


The completely farked up thing is that "excited delirium" is being used as an excuse to deny TASERed people medical care, even when their hearts stop.

And, that a doctor who says someone died from a TASER instead of "excited delirium" is likely to end up in court, or with criminal charges.
 
2012-10-31 12:47:11 AM  

freetomato: I'm generally pro-cop (have worked with many who are now at the federal level, and my husband's best friend is a county one) who are all decent guys dealing with the scum of society. Yeah, there are corrupt and evil ones, but like someone mentioned in reference to disaster relief agencies, they do good frequently, they only get on the news when they F up.

This guy sounds like a moron who shouldn't be in charge of security at a mini-storage facility.


This.

I can understand good cops, and I can understand evil cops. But dummies who pull crap like this should NOT be allowed to be cops--they do more damage by accident than the evil ones ever do on purpose.
 
2012-10-31 12:49:18 AM  

jake_lex: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

The cop is enough of an asshat in the real story without RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation. I mean, pointing a taser at a kid, even as a "joke", is an incredibly asshole-ish thing to do.



Granted. But RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation here is, put simply, a deliberate lie. Given this sort of lack of ethical standards, it would be nice if people would avoid submitting from RT. (not to mention Pravda and its "MIRACLE HEALING BOY DISCOVERED, VISITED BY ALIENS!" crap)

For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.
 
2012-10-31 12:53:18 AM  

Isildur: jake_lex: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

The cop is enough of an asshat in the real story without RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation. I mean, pointing a taser at a kid, even as a "joke", is an incredibly asshole-ish thing to do.


Granted. But RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation here is, put simply, a deliberate lie. Given this sort of lack of ethical standards, it would be nice if people would avoid submitting from RT. (not to mention Pravda and its "MIRACLE HEALING BOY DISCOVERED, VISITED BY ALIENS!" crap)

For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.


Lots of people say the same thing about Breitbart, Townhall, and American Thinker...
 
2012-10-31 01:02:45 AM  
Thank you Officer Webb. You are a hero. It's all the other "bad apples" that this child is going to be fearful of in his future.
 
2012-10-31 01:03:42 AM  

fnordfocus: Anyhow, he's about to get his sentence overturned on the ground that he should have been sentenced to probation because the shooting was merely criminally negligent and not "extraordinary and outrageous." If that happens, he'll have at worst a misdemeanor on his record and can sue to get his badge back.


These points aside, I was addressing a statement about immunity for cops. Even if he gets away with a misdemeanor conviction, that's still criminal. Besides, he did serve a year in prison on a two-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

I doubt the appeal will be successful. They can claim that their version of what happened all they want - the jury heard both sides and are entitled to find as they found.
 
2012-10-31 01:04:13 AM  
Unless the kid is coming at you with a weapon or is kicking your ass because he's a bad ass, you have not a reason to taze a kid.
 
2012-10-31 01:06:23 AM  
There's something really wrong with our system and our policing when idiots like this officer don't get fired immediately and have charges pending.
 
2012-10-31 01:11:04 AM  

slashmonkey: Wasn't the tazer was supposed to be the alternative to lethal force. If he didn't have the tazer avaliable would he have shot him with his service revolver?


That's part of the problem, though. I think these cops get a Taser and they're told that it's "nonlethal" and it gives them license to start using it in situations where they'd never point a gun or even use a stick. Taser a guy you shouldn't have? Tough shiat, most of the time it's just momentarily painful and humiliating. You don't get a lot of damages for that and so many lawyers won't take those cases. Kill a guy? Taser will fly you out your very own expert shill with an M.D. who will swear on a stack of Bibles that Tasers are 100% safe and everyone who dies dies because of "excited delirium" which they will claim happens when you do cocaine (and what jury wants to fault a cop for subduing a crazed druggie?)

I think it's safe to say that no cop would point a handgun at a child even in jest, but they might point a Taser because "hey, what's the worst that could happen?" Tase a kid. Tase two. Tase the dumb broad who mouths off to you when you want to search her house without a warrant. Tase anyone who gets an attitude. It's all good. You don't have to think. You don't have to exercise people skills or judgment. Just zap the farkers and let the courts sort them out.
 
2012-10-31 01:13:08 AM  

albatros183: antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

In Russia, news submits you!

I just asummed that TSG and Daily Mail were hosted on the same server ass fark...


Really? I'm the first?
 
2012-10-31 01:16:31 AM  
Also,

Abby Martin

rt.com

That is all
 
2012-10-31 01:20:57 AM  

indylaw: These points aside, I was addressing a statement about immunity for cops. Even if he gets away with a misdemeanor conviction, that's still criminal. Besides, he did serve a year in prison on a two-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

I doubt the appeal will be successful. They can claim that their version of what happened all they want - the jury heard both sides and are entitled to find as they found.


If the appeal succeeds, it's very unlikely that the new DA will retry the case so Mehserle may have no record.

Anyhow, the argument is that shooting a ten year old is just regular dumbfarkery and not "extraordinary and outrageous," so this Officer can't be charged. It's moot, since he's already served three days of paid leave, so double jeopardy rules protect him from any further administrative or criminal penalties.
 
2012-10-31 01:22:10 AM  

MrSplifferton: Isildur: For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.

Lots of people say the same thing about Breitbart, Townhall, and American Thinker...


There are lots of people who say those are funded by the Kremlin? Weird. Seems rather counterintuitive.
But seriously, I can hardly say I consider those to be bastions of reliable, objective journalism either, so I don't really get your point.
 
2012-10-31 01:27:59 AM  

Isildur: MrSplifferton: Isildur: For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.

Lots of people say the same thing about Breitbart, Townhall, and American Thinker...

There are lots of people who say those are funded by the Kremlin? Weird. Seems rather counterintuitive.
But seriously, I can hardly say I consider those to be bastions of reliable, objective journalism either, so I don't really get your point.


point being if they greenlight that crap don't be surprised when they greenlight Kremlin crap.
 
2012-10-31 01:31:48 AM  

Rambino: stiletto_the_wise: 99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.

Good point.

And also - this case is another reason why it is important that we have tort reform, so that frivilous suits like this don't result in silly punitive damages. At best, the court should award the kid a new t-shirt (to replace the one with holes in it).


LOL that was sarcasm
 
2012-10-31 01:38:05 AM  
All I know is that if a cop had done that to one of my kids or grandkids as described in the story and I were called to the school after it, there would have been a strong likelihood I'd end up getting tazed and/or hauled off to jail for my reaction to this cop's actions if he were still on scene.

The SOB needs to be farking fired and criminally prosecuted.
 
2012-10-31 01:52:48 AM  

MrSplifferton: point being if they greenlight that crap don't be surprised when they greenlight Kremlin crap.


Ah. Ok, fair enough.
 
2012-10-31 02:12:07 AM  

Isildur: MrSplifferton: point being if they greenlight that crap don't be surprised when they greenlight Kremlin crap.

Ah. Ok, fair enough.


Thanks, now we can discuss how right wing propoganda is = to communist bullshiat, in the eyes of fark modmins
 
2012-10-31 02:15:54 AM  
Can we ban these god damn unwanted pieces of shiat already?

/Im talking about cops
//ok fine tasers too
///slashie them all!!!
 
2012-10-31 02:22:33 AM  
Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.
 
2012-10-31 02:28:58 AM  

fnordfocus: Anyhow, the argument is that shooting a ten year old is just regular dumbfarkery and not "extraordinary and outrageous," so this Officer can't be charged. It's moot, since he's already served three days of paid leave, so double jeopardy rules protect him from any further administrative or criminal penalties.


Are you SkinnyHead? You just proved that you have no concept of criminal liability or double jeopardy. On the off-chance you're not trolling me:

You said yourself that Mehserle is trying to get his conviction reduced to a misdemeanor (criminally negligent vs. the standard for involuntary manslaughter) so that he can qualify to rejoin the police department. A misdemeanor is still a crime. Therefore, if he has his conviction reduced to a misdemeanor charge, he will still be a cop who was convicted of a crime in the scope of his duties. If he were truly immune for criminal negligence, then convincing the judge that it is criminal negligence would result in a vacating of his sentence, because the judge would say "Hey, you were immune from prosecution in the first place, so this court had no jurisdiction to try you for the crime. That misdemeanor has been wiped from your record and we apologize for locking you up." That's not what he's going for.

You get some immunity as a cop. The assault statutes in most (all?) states makes an exception for force used by an officer "to the extent he reasonably believes it to be necessary" to stop some sort of imminent risk of injury or escape or to gain compliance from a suspect who is resisting.

There's also qualified immunity, which states that unless a police officer does something that is either "a violation of clearly established civil rights" or "plainly incompetent," he can get out of a case against him for things that happen while on duty as a cop. That, for instance, stops lawsuits or prosecution where a cop makes a reasonable mistake about identity or a good-faith mistake in using force when he believed that a suspect was about to get violent. It does not stop, however, lawsuits involving shooting unarmed nonsuspects in the back, or abuses of power, or arrests made without any probable cause.

Cops get every benefit of the doubt under the current system, but I think you'd have to agree that pointing a weapon at a child under these circumstances is "plainly incompetent" and a clear violation of civil rights.

Double jeopardy applies only to criminal prosecutions, and only when it goes to trial. Discipline by a police chief is not a criminal prosecution and doesn't involve a trial. It's an administrative hearing. Something few people know, but probably should: double jeopardy applies only when a criminal case has gotten to jury selection. You can be arrested and incarcerated for a year without bail (or unable to make bail) and the prosecutor could decide to withdraw the case, setting you free. As long as that case hasn't gone to trial (starting at jury selection), the prosecutor can have you locked up again to stand trial because jeopardy has not attached.
 
2012-10-31 02:30:34 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.


well, if you looked at my previous comment, I was wondering if he was black, brown, or white. But weight is probably more politicaly correct at this point...Didn't mention that, or height of the kid, go fark yourself...
 
2012-10-31 02:36:27 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.


Yea, because there are no tall 10 year olds. My 3 year old is in the 95th percentile for weight. He's also in 97th percentile for height. Weight for age is pretty meaningless if you don't know how tall the kid is.
 
2012-10-31 02:38:57 AM  

fnordfocus: PC LOAD LETTER: I sentence him to a rape-rape prison.

That seems like an extreme sentence for refusing to clean someone's car.


The interior was covered in donut sprinkles.
 
2012-10-31 02:40:11 AM  

Arnprior Joe: TwowheelinTim: Without reading any of the other comments first, I'm really curious how many readers caught that this ten year old child weight one hundred pounds. The parents should be facing child neglect charges. This kid is freakin' HUGE! WTF is this country coming to???? That's almost as pathetic as the idiot cop who zapped the kid.

Yea, because there are no tall 10 year olds. My 3 year old is in the 95th percentile for weight. He's also in 97th percentile for height. Weight for age is pretty meaningless if you don't know how tall the kid is.


What good is the internet if you can't anonymously judge random strangers for the way they raise their children based on an incomplete set of facts in an article published on a Russian content mill?
 
2012-10-31 02:42:39 AM  

Anastacya: The kid refuses to do something on career day. A verbal warning, maybe bringing the kid to the principal. But pointing a weapon at a child? This is one of the rare times where the parents are definitely within their rights to sue the department. Talk about trauma. Jebus.


Bigger question how is cleaning the cop's car any way to teach about careers to begin with?
 
2012-10-31 02:48:53 AM  

alice_600: Anastacya: The kid refuses to do something on career day. A verbal warning, maybe bringing the kid to the principal. But pointing a weapon at a child? This is one of the rare times where the parents are definitely within their rights to sue the department. Talk about trauma. Jebus.

Bigger question how is cleaning the cop's car any way to teach about careers to begin with?


God damn it, just say the kid was darker than white, it's all the justification needed...Stop tip toeing it, we all farkin know that's the only reason people defend this shiat.
 
2012-10-31 02:49:05 AM  

alice_600:
Bigger question how is cleaning the cop's car any way to teach about careers to begin with?


I wonder if he got a kid to fill out all the paperwork this generated.
 
2012-10-31 02:54:03 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: Rambino: stiletto_the_wise: 99.999% of cops are good, this is just yet another single isolated bad apple. Nothing to worry about.

Good point.

And also - this case is another reason why it is important that we have tort reform, so that frivilous suits like this don't result in silly punitive damages. At best, the court should award the kid a new t-shirt (to replace the one with holes in it).

LOL that was sarcasm


LOL that was sarcasm
 
2012-10-31 02:59:09 AM  
Drain the pig of every dime, kosher style
 
2012-10-31 02:59:41 AM  
It's that 1% of police, you know? They have their reputations tarnished by the other 99%.
 
2012-10-31 03:01:15 AM  

indylaw: Double jeopardy applies only to criminal prosecutions, and only when it goes to trial. Discipline by a police chief is not a criminal prosecution and doesn't involve a trial. It's an administrative hearing. Something few people know, but probably should: double jeopardy applies only when a criminal case has gotten to jury selection. You can be arrested and incarcerated for a year without bail (or unable to make bail) and the prosecutor could decide to withdraw the case, setting you free. As long as that case hasn't gone to trial (starting at jury selection), the prosecutor can have you locked up again to stand trial because jeopardy has not attached.


Also, if you are convicted of a crime you didn't commit (like killing your husband), then double jeopardy means you can kill the bastard when you get out, and you can't be charged with a cime--after all, you already did the time.

/learned that from the movies
 
2012-10-31 03:11:42 AM  

TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

The Smoking Gun


FTA: "Webb recalled first escorting the boy to a school bathroom "to help clean him up." "

He made the kid piss or shiat his pants. Good job officer!
 
2012-10-31 03:38:31 AM  
Hey, maybe the little farker is an annoying little shiat and deserved to get tased.

/Just saying.
 
2012-10-31 03:44:52 AM  
Think of how mind bogglingly small his penis must be to use that kind of method to teach that lesson to that child.

Officer KenDoll
 
2012-10-31 03:45:15 AM  

Nrokreffefp: hlehmann: At what point do we start giving IQ tests to potential police officers? Oh wait, if we did that we wouldn't have any police officers. No one with two digits or more would take such a job.

Certain jurisdictions essentially do, and fire people who score too high.


That's what's so farking scary and true.

There was a case about ten years ago where the candidate was "too intelligent" to become a police officer. An appellate court held up the police department's point of view that "someone with more intelligence would likely become bored with policework and quit after being trained at a substantial cost."

It's not so much that the average cop's IQ is expected to be no more than 105 that frightens me, it's that the police sergeants, lieutenants, captains, commanders, and administrators are all hired from within this "average" base as well.

You're NEVER going to see fundamental changes to police department procedures unless it's a result of external pressures, i.e. lawsuit, public findings, etc.
 
2012-10-31 03:49:51 AM  

Arkanaut: andyofne: Relatively Obscure: This story, and one other I've read on this same site, strike me as ... odd.

I'm also only currently finding it on sites that could be considered questionable. Anyone have this from a solid source?

RT is the first Russian 24/7 English-language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news.

So, basically, crap?

I was wondering about this, but for a Russian journalist, it must be nice to report on news in a country that won't kill you for doing your job.


Insert 'O'Rly?' owl here.
 
2012-10-31 04:07:05 AM  
I came as quick as I could. Did I miss anything? I'm here to bash the police....
 
Esn
2012-10-31 04:32:39 AM  

Vectron: BafflerMeal: FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.

I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.


RT is like Radio Free Europe used to be. Except we in the US are in need of it's services now.


RT is to the US as Voice of America was to the USSR; it covers all the systemic embarrassments and viewpoints that the internal media doesn't cover.

The Russians have learned their lesson from Americans at just how effective something like this can be, and are using that knowledge. The shoe is truly on the other foot now.
 
2012-10-31 04:37:58 AM  

BafflerMeal: FizixJunkee: Happy Hours: It's sourced from RT. That's an even less reliable news source than Fox.

So this is the site my dad was blabbing about the other night.

I'm a fan of RT's reporting in general. Especially their on-air material. But the again, Al Jazeera is one of my daily reads too.


RT and Al Jazeera are worlds apart. When I watch RT I can just feel the bias dripping from their newscast. Al Jazeera is much more objective.

Let me put it this way. When RT reports a story I grab a salt shaker. When Al Jazeera reports a story, I pay attention.
 
2012-10-31 04:52:01 AM  
I think this officer has an excellent chance for a career in mall security.
 
2012-10-31 04:54:03 AM  

Texas Gabe: Also,

Abby Martin

[rt.com image 220x293]

That is all


Wow.
 
2012-10-31 05:03:41 AM  

Wretschko: You're NEVER going to see fundamental changes to police department procedures unless it's a result of external pressures, i.e. lawsuit, public findings, etc.


You still have organizational inertia to deal with.

By way of comparison, the executive order desegregating the US military was signed in 1948. It took the army 3 years just to draft a plan on how it would do it, and the job wasn't really done for close to another 30 years.

You can't change an organization's culture in a reasonable period of time. The only option is to destroy it and start over. Even then, you have to make sure that the old leadership and cliques don't manage to integrate themselves into the new organization.
 
2012-10-31 05:54:58 AM  
From that page's comments...

Tracy Hefley · Top Commenter
Damn I have been tazed by my dept. Where can I get a payout like this? Maybe I should get a lawyer.


Wow. Fire him too.
 
2012-10-31 06:59:35 AM  
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

the 10 year old is comin right for us!!
 
2012-10-31 07:09:30 AM  
But the cop was right, this is what happens to people who do not listen to the police.
 
2012-10-31 07:18:20 AM  

Bad_Seed: But the cop was right, this is what happens to people who do not listen to the police.


so what are we supposed to do, make laws against tasers? or just give the cop a screwdriver when he asks for one
 
2012-10-31 07:25:36 AM  

Rambino: Just reading stories like this makes my heartrate go crazy.

Few things are guaranteed to insta-piss me off like police abuse. This shiat takes me right to the edge of postal. 

... and of course nothing will happen to this abomination of a blue-clad 'tard.


let the but hurt flow through you...it will make you stronger!
 
2012-10-31 07:26:51 AM  
"Here you go, Larry. You see what happens? You see what happens, Larry? You see what happens? This is what happens. when you fark a stranger in the ass."
 
2012-10-31 07:27:09 AM  

dj_bigbird: Too bad cops can't be held individually (personally) liable for stuff like this. The family will sue the city, they'll get paid off by the taxpayers and the cop won't really care.


They can in my state. I was called to jury duty in a civil case where a cop was being sued as an individual for false arrest and brutality. He was trying to say he couldn't be sued, but that was just an attempted defensible position. The jury had to decide if it was reasonable.

/didn't make it past the voir dire
//go figure
 
2012-10-31 07:28:33 AM  

Xanlexian: I bet this 10-year old kid will listen to the police from now on, but for the rest of his life he'll never trust a single one.


nobody should ever trust one. they are pure unadulterated evil.
 
2012-10-31 07:29:35 AM  
Yeah, PTSD, that's the ticket.
 
2012-10-31 07:55:35 AM  

wingnut396: "removed it from the holster not realizing I put the cartridge back on. The taser accidentally discharged hitting a boy directly in the chest."

Why is he not being charged with assault? What would a civilian be charged with if they 'accidentally' did this to a 10 year old, or any other person for that matter?


Webb added that he waited until the arrival of the student's mother, who agreed with the cop's suggestion to take the boy "to the doctor for safety precautions."

Webb added that the boy's mother "stated that she wasn't mad at what had happened."

Yes, getting mad at the the cop that just tased your kid for a bullshiat reason is the perfect thing to do. Once you tase the parent because they were all pissed off and screaming in your face, you can deflect accusations of your own incompetence more efficiently.


It occurs to me that maybe she knows her kid better than you do. It further stands to reason that if she didn't get mad it was because the little snoflake deserved it for something that she could think of and was just happy that she didn't have to deliver the punishment.

//Also Damn what a discipline tactic. Knock it off Jimmy or I will call officer Drew to taze your little arse.
 
2012-10-31 08:01:14 AM  

newton: From that page's comments...

Tracy Hefley · Top Commenter
Damn I have been tazed by my dept. Where can I get a payout like this? Maybe I should get a lawyer.


Wow. Fire him too.


Were you ten and innocent when you were tazed, asshat? I'd ask him if he has a child, and if he'd like to volunteer the kid for tazing if it's no big deal, but I'm afraid he might.

"Clean my car, brown kid!" is not a lawful order. The child was correct to refuse.
 
2012-10-31 08:03:25 AM  
Not all cops are bad. In my county two of them were fired for excessive force at a traffic stop. It gives me new hope in humanity.

/ The ones at my University are REALLY REALLY nice too.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:12 AM  

RussianPooper: [www.fredposner.com image 217x217]

Pretty please, with sugar on top. Clean the farking car.


The cop was a race car, and the kid had him in the red. It's dangerous to have a race car in the red.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:14 AM  

Wretschko: Nrokreffefp: hlehmann: At what point do we start giving IQ tests to potential police officers? Oh wait, if we did that we wouldn't have any police officers. No one with two digits or more would take such a job.

Certain jurisdictions essentially do, and fire people who score too high.

That's what's so farking scary and true.

There was a case about ten years ago where the candidate was "too intelligent" to become a police officer. An appellate court held up the police department's point of view that "someone with more intelligence would likely become bored with policework and quit after being trained at a substantial cost."

It's not so much that the average cop's IQ is expected to be no more than 105 that frightens me, it's that the police sergeants, lieutenants, captains, commanders, and administrators are all hired from within this "average" base as well.

You're NEVER going to see fundamental changes to police department procedures unless it's a result of external pressures, i.e. lawsuit, public findings, etc.


I took a little CJ in college and for what that's worth - career testing finds that warehouse worker and cop are comparable jobs. Both careers are well suited for people that can handle spending a shift driving around actively searching for things and filling out paperwork. If speeding around the warehouse on a forklift all day looking for pallets wouldn't fulfill you intellectually, police work probably isn't for you. Not that you couldn't do it, but you probably wouldn't be happy doing it and would end up being burned out.

When all we ask of the police is to drive around and answer calls that need a report or write traffic tickets we don't have any problems. It's when we use fuzzy logic to think that because cops are good at doing a job that helps society means they would also be good at social work and adolescent development - that's when we get cool stories like this.

Think about it. If you were a warehouse manager and saw one of the forklift drivers start opening up boxes to play around with the contents - you would tell them to get back to work just reading the labels and moving pallets. It's no different when a cop decides to give a "safety lecture" during a traffic stop or does more than frisk, cuff, read rights and deliver a suspected criminal.

Instead of asking for college degrees and ambition from potential cops - we should just find people of average intelligence to fill the job and only do what's in the job description; it's a better design.
 
2012-10-31 08:26:01 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: so what are we supposed to do...just give the cop a screwdriver when he asks for one?


I'd give him one, if he needed it.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-31 08:27:14 AM  

Ficoce: Instead of asking for college degrees and ambition from potential cops - we should just find people of average intelligence to fill the job and only do what's in the job description; it's a better design.


Not to pick nits, but this guy WAS doing what was in his job description, giving a lecture to schoolkids as part of "Career Day". I hear what you're saying, but if children never learn about professions from those who actually practice them, they're worse off. For example, I bet none of the kids who heard that lecture will ever trust a police officer again, and that's going to serve them a lot better than the kids who never learned that lesson.
 
2012-10-31 08:53:12 AM  

Rockstone: Not all cops are bad. In my county two of them were fired for excessive force at a traffic stop. It gives me new hope in humanity.

/ The ones at my University are REALLY REALLY nice too.


University cops have the best job. The worst they almost ever have to deal with is small-time drug possession or dealing with suicidal kids. No traffic duty. No policing crackhouses or dealing with gangs.
 
2012-10-31 09:05:25 AM  

untaken_name: Ficoce: Instead of asking for college degrees and ambition from potential cops - we should just find people of average intelligence to fill the job and only do what's in the job description; it's a better design.

Not to pick nits, but this guy WAS doing what was in his job description, giving a lecture to schoolkids as part of "Career Day". I hear what you're saying, but if children never learn about professions from those who actually practice them, they're worse off. For example, I bet none of the kids who heard that lecture will ever trust a police officer again, and that's going to serve them a lot better than the kids who never learned that lesson.


If you were a teacher, would you leave your classroom alone, unsupervised, with some unknown forklift driver for the afternoon, so he could show them what it's like to work in a warehouse? No you wouldn't. It's not the cops fault to do what's natural. A cop spends every day using controlling techniques to get their job done and go home. Throwing a cop in alone with a bunch of 10 year old kids is asking for trouble. It's like asking a teacher to walk into a bar full of drunken rowdies and break up a fight, just because they can control a bunch of 10 year olds doesn't mean they can dodge beer cans.
 
2012-10-31 09:07:25 AM  
Fark the police
 
2012-10-31 09:11:40 AM  

Ficoce: When all we ask of the police is to drive around and answer calls that need a report or write traffic tickets we don't have any problems. It's when we use fuzzy logic to think that because cops are good at doing a job that helps society means they would also be good at social work and adolescent development - that's when we get cool stories like this.


I can only imagine the damage if our fork truck drivers had militarized vehicles and equipment available to them when things don't go as scheduled.
 
2012-10-31 09:19:27 AM  
They were just talking about some case going to the supreme court about legality of bringing drug sniffing dogs to everyone's front door. These judges should really take in to account the fact that these are the kinds of people that implement the interpretation of laws.
 
2012-10-31 09:24:25 AM  

Rincewind53: never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot.


This.

But I think the cretins in law enforcement also need to remember that a Taser is a gun not a penis length compensator.
 
2012-10-31 09:37:57 AM  

TheGogmagog: Ficoce: When all we ask of the police is to drive around and answer calls that need a report or write traffic tickets we don't have any problems. It's when we use fuzzy logic to think that because cops are good at doing a job that helps society means they would also be good at social work and adolescent development - that's when we get cool stories like this.

I can only imagine the damage if our fork truck drivers had militarized vehicles and equipment available to them when things don't go as scheduled.


I think you're getting it. You don't see too many cops quit the force to become first grade teachers or campaign for government office - it's not in their nature to compromise. If it was they would be crappy cops. I bet if we interviewed all the kids that witnessed the tazing, one or two of them would probably think, "That was cool!" One kid's pain and suffering might have resulted in launching a few more toward a successful career in law enforcement.

Just because we are equal doesn't mean we are the same. The world takes all kinds.
 
2012-10-31 09:40:59 AM  
Man, I can't imagiine what the cop would do to the kid if he picked his nose in front of him.
 
2012-10-31 09:42:56 AM  

Ficoce: One kid's pain and suffering might have resulted in launching a few more toward a successful career in law enforcement.

Or crime.
 
2012-10-31 09:43:44 AM  

fnordfocus: Rincewind53:

Plus that's a farking lame excuse. If a civilian were to claim "I didn't know it was loaded" he would be in jail with no bail. This Officer won't even get paid leave.


When I had my interview with the BATFE officer back in June (for the FFL) she was explaining how inventory and ammunition must be stored separately and all weapons had to be cleared before allowing a customer to handle them.

"I didn't know it was loaded." is basically an admission of guilt.

I know it is only marginally relevant to the story. Just reinforcing how lame an excuse it is.
 
2012-10-31 09:55:03 AM  
5 Pages and no Officer Farva references!
Fark, I am disappoint.

i.ytimg.com

/I WANT A GODDAMN LITER-A-COLA!
//burger punk
 
2012-10-31 10:39:49 AM  
I think cattle prods are cheaper.
 
2012-10-31 11:03:45 AM  

fnordfocus: SanjiSasuke: So old news is old news. ("...the May 4 Career Day")

You can't just sue a state. First, you make a claim for damages. They can pay it, tell you to fark off, or allow you to sue. That takes time. In this case 6-7 months seems reasonable.


Yeah, but the headline isn't on the suing process, it treats the event like it just happened.

/irrelevant if this wasn't reported here before.
 
2012-10-31 11:08:12 AM  

indylaw: Double jeopardy applies only to criminal prosecutions, and only when it goes to trial. Discipline by a police chief is not a criminal prosecution and doesn't involve a trial. It's an administrative hearing. Something few people know, but probably should: double jeopardy applies only when a criminal case has gotten to jury selection. You can be arrested and incarcerated for a year without bail (or unable to make bail) and the prosecutor could decide to withdraw the case, setting you free. As long as that case hasn't gone to trial (starting at jury selection), the prosecutor can have you locked up again to stand trial because jeopardy has not attached.


Garrity v. New Jersey says that evidence used in an administrative hearing can't be used in a criminal trial. I guess it's not technically double jeopardy, but the Department will make sure all evidence has been introduced into the administrative hearing so there's nothing left the DA can use for criminal charges.

It's incredibly common for Officers to face administrative charges for things like DWI or domestic violence that would land a civilian in jail, and then they're effectively immune from criminal charges.
 
2012-10-31 11:14:29 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: basemetal: That's assault and battery with a dangerous weapon even if it was an accident. Was the officer charged?

Apparantly so, and the kid was grounded.

This sounds more like an accident than anything. Bust his ass for being an idiot, maybe straight up fire him, but no jail time. Maybe some probation amf community service.


Yeah, except this happened right after the kid refused to clean his car. Sorry, I'm not entirely sure this was an accident. There's a lot of trigger-happy, power-hungry assholes in blue. I need some more solid evidence than just the police department's word that this was a demonstration and not just someone pulling out what they thought was an unloaded tazer to threaten a kid.

/Call me a cynic, but I read too much Fark to think otherwise.
 
2012-10-31 11:19:32 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Anyone have this from a solid source?


The mere fact you can't be bothered to look up public records to find the truth is pretty telling of your mental capacity.
 
2012-10-31 11:31:16 AM  
 
2012-10-31 11:48:33 AM  

evaned: "Assume Device is Loaded. Always assume that a TASER device is loaded. Do not point a TASER device at anything you do not intend to hit."
-Taser X26C operating manual

That rule is inviolable. The cop should be fired.


"A gun is ALWAYS loaded." I'd imagine the same should go for Tasers.

Per the Smoking Gun version of this article, he'd removed the cartridge for an earlier group of kids, but what I suspect is just good training and lots of practice, he remounted the cartridge before holstering it, without even realizing he'd done so.

I can see being the big police officer entertaining kids, and pointing a "safe" taser at the kid's foot or something briefly.. I can see it.. I'll never agree that it's "ok" but I can imagine making that same mistake myself (obviously before reading an article like this). If I were in this position after being alerted that it's possible I reloaded it without remembering I'd done it, I don't think I'd point anything at the child stronger than a small padded stick, because, seriously, all bets are off.

I considered suggesting that a dummy taser would be ok to point, but then I realized that you'd pointing what the kid perceives to be a weapon, right AT them.. that can't be pleasant under any circumstances, and considering it would only be done to take a perverse pleasure in scaring them for a moment, totally not something worth doing.
 
2012-10-31 11:51:26 AM  
This cop is damned lucky I'm not in charge of adjudicating his case. Because I would simply label him as having made terroristic threats, then sent him off to one of our torture facilities to get tazed in the nuts regularly, and to be otherwise tortured to death, with no hope of due process.

What's good for the goose...
 
2012-10-31 12:08:19 PM  
I'm surprised more stories like this don't end with: "the boy's father is now wanted for questioning in the beating death of the officer."

Like the guy who's kid was abducted and raped by his karate instructor. The rapist was being brought through the airport, the father turned from pretending to be on a phone call and blew the guy away.

Not that it's right of course. But it's understandable. I don't see where that anger is. If I were the principal I would have tried to hand the cop an ass kicking. I can't imagine the boy's teachers weren't pissed off beyond belief. What educator, or decent person, could stand to see a child harmed and not be incredibly angered to the point of doing something irrational?

I would be surprised if the officer hadn't had to move out of the area. If I were in New Mexico I'd better be hearing from the police how much of a shiatbird this guy was or they'd be getting a load of grief all day every day.

This is the kind of thing a community shouldn't just let go.
 
2012-10-31 12:28:19 PM  
I hope those kids TP'ed the crap out of the cops house, soaped his windows and all that other Mischeif Night stuff that kids do.
 
2012-10-31 01:43:27 PM  

khyberkitsune: Relatively Obscure: Anyone have this from a solid source?

The mere fact you can't be bothered to look up public records to find the truth is pretty telling of your mental capacity.


Not really, no. I'll try to drink away the notion that you might think poorly of me, though, so I can sleep tonight.
 
2012-10-31 01:54:35 PM  

Relatively Obscure: solid source


The smoking gun has it:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/10-year-old-tasered
 
2012-10-31 01:57:23 PM  

rnatalie: Relatively Obscure: solid source

The smoking gun has it:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/10-year-old-tasered


Saw that, but thanks. That one was much better.
 
2012-10-31 01:59:23 PM  

RTOGUY: What I want to know is if the kid now cleans cars after he is asked the first time.


www.huntingdogcentral.com

Rarely have to tell a bird dog twice.
 
2012-10-31 02:52:31 PM  

fnordfocus: Garrity v. New Jersey says that evidence used in an administrative hearing can't be used in a criminal trial. I guess it's not technically double jeopardy, but the Department will make sure all evidence has been introduced into the administrative hearing so there's nothing left the DA can use for criminal charges.


It's not at all double jeopardy. And that's not at ALL what Garrity says. I have no idea how you came by that idea. A Garrity Warning is similar to a Miranda warning in administrative proceedings. It basically says that you are under no obligation to answer questions during the department investigation, but that your silence can be used against you in determining administrative action. Your silence cannot be used against you in criminal proceedings.

Let's say that a police officer is accused of raping someone and a complaint is filed with IAD. The cop, during the IAD investigation, may choose to remain silent (he has a right to remain silent). That silence can be used against him to determine whether to terminate his employment, but it cannot be used at a criminal trial. However, if the cop talks, that testimony can be used at both the administrative and criminal level, assuming there's no problem with the rule against hearsay.

Where do you get this shiat?
 
2012-10-31 03:13:15 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: [upload.wikimedia.org image 74x44]


At 50 kHz, on dry skin, we're looking at a relative permittivity of about εr=1127. That's an ouch.
 
2012-10-31 03:50:04 PM  

Isildur: jake_lex: GAT_00: Who the fark around here keeps reading Russian news and submitting it?

The cop is enough of an asshat in the real story without RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation. I mean, pointing a taser at a kid, even as a "joke", is an incredibly asshole-ish thing to do.


Granted. But RT's exaggeration and misrepresentation here is, put simply, a deliberate lie. Given this sort of lack of ethical standards, it would be nice if people would avoid submitting from RT. (not to mention Pravda and its "MIRACLE HEALING BOY DISCOVERED, VISITED BY ALIENS!" crap)

For anyone not aware, "RT" is short for "Russia Today" and it is a Kremlin-funded TV/internet network -- something they don't deny, but instead try to muddy waters about, by comparing themselves to entities like the BBC or the Corporation for Public broadcasting. (Never mind the fact that the latter pair are based in countries where journalists can freely criticize their own governments in harsh terms without serious fear of sharing the fate of these guys. ) But if you like distorted regurgitations of stories broken by other news sites, misrepresented (as in this case) for the purpose of showing how horrible places like the U.S. and U.K. are, RT is great.

 
2012-10-31 03:58:32 PM  
This is a civil case.

Meaning there is/was no criminal case.

Christ.
 
2012-10-31 05:09:38 PM  

Rockstone: Not all cops are bad. In my county two of them were fired for excessive force at a traffic stop. It gives me new hope in humanity.

/ The ones at my University are REALLY REALLY nice too.


Wat?

t.qkme.me

Your point. I missed it.
 
2012-10-31 05:11:06 PM  

R.A.Danny: Seriously, we're safer with fewer cops.


As one of Fark's resident authoritarian conservatives, let me agree with you wholeheartedly.
 
2012-10-31 05:58:20 PM  

indylaw: Let's say that a police officer is accused of raping someone and a complaint is filed with IAD. The cop, during the IAD investigation, may choose to remain silent (he has a right to remain silent). That silence can be used against him to determine whether to terminate his employment, but it cannot be used at a criminal trial. However, if the cop talks, that testimony can be used at both the administrative and criminal level, assuming there's no problem with the rule against hearsay.


From http://www.njlawman.com/garrity.htm: Any statements made after invoking Garrity, may only be used for department investigation purposes and not for criminal prosecution purposes.

So if you face administrative charges and confess, what evidence could possibly be admitted in a criminal trial?

I'd also point out that it is incredibly common for Officers to face administrative charges instead of criminal charges for offenses like DWI that would net a civilian jail time. I assume this is related.
 
2012-10-31 08:52:41 PM  
Aaaaaaand that is why you can't trust worthless pig-monsters with non-lethal weapons. If there isn't the consequence of someone dying, they will use them irresponsibly (kinda like how they tase people for "non-compliance"). I hope this officer is killed in a fire whilst his screaming family watches.
 
2012-11-02 03:58:25 PM  

AbortionsForAll: Aaaaaaand that is why you can't trust worthless pig-monsters with non-lethal weapons


Actually I trust them more with a baton than a tazer. It's lot harder to (legally or psychologically) justify beating someone with a stick than simply pointing a piece of plastic at them and pushing a button.
 
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