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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Incentive-based education now moves on to parents, who are being bribed with $25 gift cards to pick up their children's report cards   (suntimes.com) divider line 83
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2012-10-30 08:10:45 PM  
Rahm conceived this idea while swimming; no wonder it's all wet!
 
2012-10-30 08:43:35 PM  
CPS tried paying students for grades (literally) a few years back under Arne Duncan. Didn't work all that well. They've floated the idea of merit pay for teachers, but they aren't interested. They've just now given out principal bonuses for school performance, so it'll be interesting to see how that works.

As for giving out gift cards to parents for report card pick-up, it's a futile gesture - report card pick-up happens during the day...people don't show up because they have jobs. CPS have even tried to mitigate that by having report card pick-up in the afternoon to early evening, but it doesn't work because the majority of CPS parents are not on 9-5 schedules.

Also doesn't help when the school your child is going to is an hour away by public transit because they've closed the local neighborhood school and you have to take 2 buses and a train to get there.
 
2012-10-30 08:43:46 PM  
Oh, for Fark's sake.
 
2012-10-30 09:01:38 PM  
I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.
 
2012-10-30 09:28:11 PM  
As long as noones gets my puddin cup I don't care..
 
2012-10-30 09:28:35 PM  
Teachers don't have 10 am meetings. That's when they are teaching. They have them in the evening when classes are over.
 
2012-10-30 09:28:47 PM  
Solution: mail them. Seriously, shiat ain't hard.
 
2012-10-30 09:29:11 PM  
What about sending them home with the kids... Or mailing them? I've seen both used at my kids' shools.
 
2012-10-30 09:29:34 PM  
I wonder which kid will let me pretend to be his parent so I can split the card with them.
 
2012-10-30 09:30:46 PM  
The father of one of my students never missed one of his son's basketball games (which is a good thing) but would never make it to a single parent-teacher conference. We even offered to meet him right before or after a game, but he would skip out on those too.
 
2012-10-30 09:30:46 PM  
How about using that new fangled interweb thingie...you can send to parent's via e-mail or better yet, text them to their Obama phones
 
2012-10-30 09:31:13 PM  
Report card clean-up detail:
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-30 09:32:15 PM  
TFA said the Walgreens ceo "jumped at the chance". I doubt he jumped at the chance to give away thousands of dollars of inventory, so who is paying for these cards, the taxpayers?
 
2012-10-30 09:32:43 PM  
In the school district I'm in you can see your child's' grades at any time if you have access to a computer. If you do not have access to a computer, having a paper copy of your child's' report card sent home costs $10 dollars per child. And it really is a mere piece of paper rather than cardstock. I paid despite having a computer because I'm old, old-fashioned, and I wanted to see teacher calculated "final grades" for the given time period.
 
2012-10-30 09:33:16 PM  

Heavyweight: What about sending them home with the kids... Or mailing them? I've seen both used at my kids' shools.


The point of the report card pickup day is that it's an excuse for parents and teachers to get together and talk about how the kid is doing. If your kid is, say, failing English it's nice to have the teacher right there so you can ask why.
 
2012-10-30 09:34:18 PM  

Sargun: Solution: mail them. Seriously, shiat ain't hard.


There's also this new fangled thing called email. If that ever catches on, then they will be able to save the cost of postage.
 
2012-10-30 09:34:29 PM  

naughtyrev: CPS tried paying students for grades (literally) a few years back under Arne Duncan. Didn't work all that well. They've floated the idea of merit pay for teachers, but they aren't interested. They've just now given out principal bonuses for school performance, so it'll be interesting to see how that works.

As for giving out gift cards to parents for report card pick-up, it's a futile gesture - report card pick-up happens during the day...people don't show up because they have jobs. CPS have even tried to mitigate that by having report card pick-up in the afternoon to early evening, but it doesn't work because the majority of CPS parents are not on 9-5 schedules.

Also doesn't help when the school your child is going to is an hour away by public transit because they've closed the local neighborhood school and you have to take 2 buses and a train to get there.


We've been doing that in Florida for years. As you can see from our reputation here in Fark: It doesn't work.
 
2012-10-30 09:35:48 PM  
WTF. Back in the day I would have given anything for my mother not to pick up my report card when it was bad.
/I use to think white parents never gave 'whoopings' to their kids till my friend James got belted down a flight of stairs by his mother
//Hell K-8 teachers were aloud to hit you
\Old
 
2012-10-30 09:36:27 PM  

naughtyrev: CPS tried paying students for grades (literally) a few years back under Arne Duncan. Didn't work all that well.


The guys that did Freakonomics did a study on paying kids for good grades through the University of Chicago (where one of them is an economics professor), and they're still very much in favor of it. They used kids in high school, which is a little late in the game, but they found that money was a big incentive for students who are right on the margins. They think, probably correctly imo, that paying kids earlier would be more effective since a middle schooler hasn't fallen as far behind and the younger a kid is the cheaper they are to bribe.

I'm very much in favor of paying kids for good grades. Kids have a lot of trouble with the concept of delayed gratification and don't necessarily realize the benefits of education until it's too late. And, it looks like it would be pretty cost-effective. The results they got just paying kids through the study, if they had come up with some new elaborate teaching method that cost that much in additional training and got the same results, the schools would jump all over it immediately.
 
2012-10-30 09:37:35 PM  

naughtyrev: Also doesn't help when the school your child is going to is an hour away by public transit because they've closed the local neighborhood school and you have to take 2 buses and a train to get there.



Actually, it is widely accepted among education scholars that that problem began with the Clinton Administration's new rules that forced low income people to get part-time minimum wage jobs up to 2 hours away by bus, in one direction, if they were to receive any federal assistance. While the GOP's proposals were worse, Clinton was savage in his disembowelment of low income families' connection to parenting and schooling.But hey, his voter base loved it so why not? When Bush took over, the GOP made Clinton look like a centrist instead of a right winger, and so it is really hard for a sane person to criticize Slick Willie. Not impossible, but distasteful, y'know?
 
2012-10-30 09:37:41 PM  

JohnCarter: How about using that new fangled interweb thingie...you can send to parent's via e-mail or better yet, text them to their Obama Bush phones

FTFY
 
2012-10-30 09:38:15 PM  

gajacks: The father of one of my students never missed one of his son's basketball games (which is a good thing) but would never make it to a single parent-teacher conference. We even offered to meet him right before or after a game, but he would skip out on those too.


He must have known his kid was a tard and just couldn't stand hearing it from others.
 
2012-10-30 09:43:16 PM  

odinsposse: Heavyweight: What about sending them home with the kids... Or mailing them? I've seen both used at my kids' shools.

The point of the report card pickup day is that it's an excuse for parents and teachers to get together and talk about how the kid is doing. If your kid is, say, failing English it's nice to have the teacher right there so you can ask why.


Do you think those parents would care either way? During the last parent teacher conference day I went to we were behind the same poor guy... Each teacher said the same thing about his lack of effort and how he could be doing well if he just tried. After the last conference as they were walking out the mother said under her breath "fark this shiat, if he wants to make something of himself he's going to have to do it by his damn self." I just remember thinking how little hope that kid has.

/anecdotal evidence I know
 
2012-10-30 09:44:35 PM  

Brick-House: gajacks: The father of one of my students never missed one of his son's basketball games (which is a good thing) but would never make it to a single parent-teacher conference. We even offered to meet him right before or after a game, but he would skip out on those too.

He must have known his kid was a tard and just couldn't stand hearing it from others.


Maybe he was working class, so his family never benefited from schooling beyond the three R's. Some kids know that they'd be better off dropping out and apprenticing as an electrician with their dad or uncle's business, but stay in school because of the social pressure. When a C's as good as an A, and college is privatized out of a household's ability to pay for it, there's not much point to parent-teacher night.
 
2012-10-30 09:45:09 PM  
I have a better idea, let's bribe them not to have kids in the first place. Give them a lump sum payment or maybe a scholarship if they agree to get fixed. People who can't be bothered to care about their kids shouldn't be having them in the first place. We'll save a lot more money in the long run if they don't.
 
2012-10-30 09:51:52 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: naughtyrev: Also doesn't help when the school your child is going to is an hour away by public transit because they've closed the local neighborhood school and you have to take 2 buses and a train to get there.


Actually, it is widely accepted among education scholars that that problem began with the Clinton Administration's new rules that forced low income people to get part-time minimum wage jobs up to 2 hours away by bus, in one direction, if they were to receive any federal assistance. While the GOP's proposals were worse, Clinton was savage in his disembowelment of low income families' connection to parenting and schooling.But hey, his voter base loved it so why not? When Bush took over, the GOP made Clinton look like a centrist instead of a right winger, and so it is really hard for a sane person to criticize Slick Willie. Not impossible, but distasteful, y'know?


I'm not disputing your claim at all - those "reforms" were and are a serious failure of our social safety net - in Chicago, school closures are intimately tied to gentrification...both the new urban gentrification and the Clinton welfare to work models are based on neoliberal models of governance that have undermined urban education and have fed into and been fueled by notions that people have no idea what is best for themselves (I'm looking at you, WJ Wilson).
 
2012-10-30 09:53:25 PM  

Heavyweight: odinsposse: Heavyweight: What about sending them home with the kids... Or mailing them? I've seen both used at my kids' shools.

The point of the report card pickup day is that it's an excuse for parents and teachers to get together and talk about how the kid is doing. If your kid is, say, failing English it's nice to have the teacher right there so you can ask why.

Do you think those parents would care either way? During the last parent teacher conference day I went to we were behind the same poor guy... Each teacher said the same thing about his lack of effort and how he could be doing well if he just tried. After the last conference as they were walking out the mother said under her breath "fark this shiat, if he wants to make something of himself he's going to have to do it by his damn self." I just remember thinking how little hope that kid has.

/anecdotal evidence I know


Some parents just don't care. Some parents care and the kids just don't care. Some parents and kids both care and the kid's just not good at school. Some parents care about one kid but have another kid who's a fark-up and he/she takes all their time. Or they have jobs that preclude them from parent-teacher conferences; or can't get a sitter the night that it's scheduled. There are so many permutations.

Maybe someday, we'll drop this idea that every kid has to go to college and become SOMETHING, and maybe it will become socially acceptable for people to be satisfied being auto mechanics or grocery store managers all their lives, if that's what they're happy doing and it provides a steady paycheck. Till then, we're stuck with bribing kids and parents to show up at schools and parent conferences and pushing kids to "make something" of themselves even if they don't want to or can't do it.
 
2012-10-30 09:54:22 PM  
Someone inform the libs it's "progressive," as in progress. Not "regressive.".
 
2012-10-30 09:55:40 PM  
I suspect that parenting issues are behind the vast majority of gang and teenage pregnancy problems in this city (especially the south side). Parents just don't give a fark about their kids future well being. As long as the kid can bring home some extra dough slinging drugs at school, who cares about a quality education?
 
2012-10-30 09:55:56 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Kids have a lot of trouble with the concept of delayed gratification


Hell, a lot of adults have problems with the concept as well.

I'm about as level-headed as they come with weighing the long-term payouts and short term costs, but here I am sipping some of America's finest swill.

/Humans just aren't cut out for long term thinking, I'm afraid.
//Explains societal ills if you think about it.
 
2012-10-30 09:56:57 PM  

naughtyrev: I'm not disputing your claim at all - those "reforms" were and are a serious failure of our social safety net - in Chicago, school closures are intimately tied to gentrification...both the new urban gentrification and the Clinton welfare to work models are based on neoliberal models of governance that have undermined urban education and have fed into and been fueled by notions that people have no idea what is best for themselves (I'm looking at you, WJ Wilson).


Hey, that's cool. I guess you are right, gentrification would result in changing the demographics of the people who live in a neighbourhood without necessarily moving the services they depend on, at least not in a convenient way. That would be a double-whammy for a lot of people.
 
2012-10-30 09:57:31 PM  

Sargun: Solution: mail them. Seriously, shiat ain't hard.


Bingo. Done. Or e-mail them as well.
 
2012-10-30 10:01:54 PM  

Lunaville: In the school district I'm in you can see your child's' grades at any time if you have access to a computer. If you do not have access to a computer, having a paper copy of your child's' report card sent home costs $10 dollars per child. And it really is a mere piece of paper rather than cardstock. I paid despite having a computer because I'm old, old-fashioned, and I wanted to see teacher calculated "final grades" for the given time period.


Did you have it handy or did you visit the ATM Machine and enter in your PIN Number to withdraw cash?

/Bored
 
2012-10-30 10:03:55 PM  
Public education has had its day - voucher based education from here on out.
 
2012-10-30 10:04:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Heavyweight: odinsposse: Heavyweight: What about sending them home with the kids... Or mailing them? I've seen both used at my kids' shools.

The point of the report card pickup day is that it's an excuse for parents and teachers to get together and talk about how the kid is doing. If your kid is, say, failing English it's nice to have the teacher right there so you can ask why.

Do you think those parents would care either way? During the last parent teacher conference day I went to we were behind the same poor guy... Each teacher said the same thing about his lack of effort and how he could be doing well if he just tried. After the last conference as they were walking out the mother said under her breath "fark this shiat, if he wants to make something of himself he's going to have to do it by his damn self." I just remember thinking how little hope that kid has.

/anecdotal evidence I know

Some parents just don't care. Some parents care and the kids just don't care. Some parents and kids both care and the kid's just not good at school. Some parents care about one kid but have another kid who's a fark-up and he/she takes all their time. Or they have jobs that preclude them from parent-teacher conferences; or can't get a sitter the night that it's scheduled. There are so many permutations.

Maybe someday, we'll drop this idea that every kid has to go to college and become SOMETHING, and maybe it will become socially acceptable for people to be satisfied being auto mechanics or grocery store managers all their lives, if that's what they're happy doing and it provides a steady paycheck. Till then, we're stuck with bribing kids and parents to show up at schools and parent conferences and pushing kids to "make something" of themselves even if they don't want to or can't do it.


Very true, when I was in HS they had a school called CATEC which was where the kids who would rather learn a trade than go to college could get a head start. I do pretty well but I am quite sure several, if not alot, of them make way more than I do now.
 
2012-10-30 10:04:56 PM  
Frank N Stein       
I suspect that parenting issues are behind the vast majority of gang and teenage pregnancy problems in this city (especially the south side). Parents just don't give a fark about their kids future well being. As long as the kid can bring home some extra dough slinging drugs at school, who cares about a quality education? from welfare checks
 

/FTFY
 
2012-10-30 10:05:03 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: naughtyrev: I'm not disputing your claim at all - those "reforms" were and are a serious failure of our social safety net - in Chicago, school closures are intimately tied to gentrification...both the new urban gentrification and the Clinton welfare to work models are based on neoliberal models of governance that have undermined urban education and have fed into and been fueled by notions that people have no idea what is best for themselves (I'm looking at you, WJ Wilson).

Hey, that's cool. I guess you are right, gentrification would result in changing the demographics of the people who live in a neighbourhood without necessarily moving the services they depend on, at least not in a convenient way. That would be a double-whammy for a lot of people.


I know for a fact that in the UIC (University of Illinois-Chicago for ya'll non-local folks) region, about 10 years ago when UIC was expanding, CPS cut off busing to the schools that were in the area,then claimed those schools were under utilized (they had previously been receiving schools for overcrowded schools) so they would be closed and the property sold off at a discount rate. About 3 years ago, the Chicago Housing Authority closed a large housing project and lost a court case requiring them to readmit the displaced residents to the newly built units that were put up where they had been - so CPS closed the neighborhood school and sent the kids 2 miles away. They achieved what CHA couldn't. This year, there will be between 60-80 schools closed, most likely - 40 will be the low end...and they will expand schools in the wealthier neighborhoods that have less utilization.
 
2012-10-30 10:05:29 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Maybe he was working class, so his family never benefited from schooling beyond the three R's. Some kids know that they'd be better off dropping out and apprenticing as an electrician with their dad or uncle's business, but stay in school because of the social pressure.


Electricians aren't required to have at least a high school diploma? That's a bit ominous, since it's a job where screwing up can kill you.

Also, dropping out of high school to apprentice at a family business is kind of short-sighted, because if it ever fails or changes ownership, you'll be unable to get any other job.
 
2012-10-30 10:08:36 PM  

gajacks: The father of one of my students never missed one of his son's basketball games (which is a good thing) but would never make it to a single parent-teacher conference. We even offered to meet him right before or after a game, but he would skip out on those too.


Sports is important. What's anyone ever done with academics? The Lakers ain't payin millions to straight-A students.
 
2012-10-30 10:11:51 PM  
Rahm, trying making picking up report cards against the law.
Just an idea.
 
2012-10-30 10:12:03 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Lunaville: In the school district I'm in you can see your child's' grades at any time if you have access to a computer. If you do not have access to a computer, having a paper copy of your child's' report card sent home costs $10 dollars per child. And it really is a mere piece of paper rather than cardstock. I paid despite having a computer because I'm old, old-fashioned, and I wanted to see teacher calculated "final grades" for the given time period.

Did you have it handy or did you visit the ATM Machine and enter in your PIN Number to withdraw cash?

/Bored


I sent in a check
/me too
 
2012-10-30 10:12:48 PM  

Vectron: Rahm, trying making picking up report cards against the law.
Just an idea.


That won't change anything. Try making them valuable - that will get people in there.
 
2012-10-30 10:15:36 PM  

gajacks: Teachers don't have 10 am meetings. That's when they are teaching. They have them in the evening when classes are over.


I say have teachers work as product development engineers for awhile. They'll go screaming back to teaching and their late afternoon meetings and summers off.
 
2012-10-30 10:16:55 PM  
Only times my parents had to come to my school was when I was in trouble. Same way with my kids.
/old
 
2012-10-30 10:17:54 PM  

leadmetal: gajacks: Teachers don't have 10 am meetings. That's when they are teaching. They have them in the evening when classes are over.

I say have teachers work as product development engineers for awhile. They'll go screaming back to teaching and their late afternoon meetings and summers off.


How about a switch - have the product engineers work as teachers for a while. I suspect the screaming and running will go in both directions.
 
2012-10-30 10:17:58 PM  

Gwendolyn: I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.


So teachers shouldn't have lives? Or families? Really?

Jesus, dude. Seriously. It's your farking kid. They should be important enough to take an hour off of work to talk to the teacher. Or, if that's not an option, do a phone conference. Barring that, send an email.

It's not rocket surgery.
 
2012-10-30 10:22:48 PM  
occupyilluminati.com

"Tell yo mama all parents get $100 if they come to open house. I will make it rain for her!"
 
2012-10-30 10:23:25 PM  
At Mayor Rahm Emanuel's request, Walgreen Co. has agreed to provide $25 gift cards to parents who pick up their students' report cards and participate in parent-teacher conferences during report card pickup days.

Did Chik-Fil-A not chip in for this worthy cause?
 
2012-10-30 10:24:28 PM  

WeenerGord: TFA said the Walgreens ceo "jumped at the chance". I doubt he jumped at the chance to give away thousands of dollars of inventory, so who is paying for these cards, the taxpayers?


On the personal level, I'm sure it's personally satisfying for him to give back. But clearly you don't understand why gift cards exist. Once people are in the store to buy 25 dollars worth of something, enough of them will by more than that. They will shop with friends who do not have the gift card, who may also spend. Depending on where you live, there's also been a lot of pressure to either legislate that gift cards cannot expire, since I don't think I'm the only person on the planet who's gotten one, failed to use it within the allotted time, and thus had my gift giver essentially just hand over money for no product or service.

At any rate, I doubt that such an offer is much of a drop in the bucket for Walgreens, especially when you consider the decent PR and exposure for such a gesture.

It's rather sad to see consumerism promoted as a solution for problems like this.
 
2012-10-30 10:36:03 PM  
Maybe they should bundle the report cards in with the welfare cheques?
 
2012-10-30 10:38:47 PM  
Fark this. Incentive based education? Here's MY incentive: I want my kids to do well, so they aren't flipping burgers when they're in their 30's. Just had a parent/teacher conference today at 2pm. Wife and I both took time off from work to be there, because we give a shiat.
 
2012-10-30 10:40:08 PM  
strange my report cards were always sent home with me to the best of my recollection.

/since i am a farker now it may not be as good as it once was.
 
2012-10-30 10:43:32 PM  
1) School, at some point, gives out a calendar detailing when report cards are issued.

2) Child brings report card home.

3) If the child does not bring the report card home at the designated date, beat him mercilessly.

4) Profit.
 
2012-10-30 10:48:57 PM  
Welcome to Obama's America
 
2012-10-30 10:54:03 PM  

tudorgurl: Gwendolyn: I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.

So teachers shouldn't have lives? Or families? Really?

Jesus, dude. Seriously. It's your farking kid. They should be important enough to take an hour off of work to talk to the teacher. Or, if that's not an option, do a phone conference. Barring that, send an email.

It's not rocket surgery.


I do family therapy with kids in the juvenile justice system. One evening a week doesn't kill me and one every 9 weeks for this wouldn't kill teachers.
 
2012-10-30 10:56:47 PM  

GoodyearPimp: gajacks: The father of one of my students never missed one of his son's basketball games (which is a good thing) but would never make it to a single parent-teacher conference. We even offered to meet him right before or after a game, but he would skip out on those too.

Sports is important. What's anyone ever done with academics? The Lakers ain't payin millions to straight-A students.


And there's our incentive problem in a nutshell.
 
2012-10-30 10:59:09 PM  

Gwendolyn: I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.


Thats a cop-out.

I was a student ... I had parent - teacher conferences... all took place during the day.

My mom or dad made sure one of them took off work to make it. Why?

Because they cared.

 
2012-10-30 10:59:58 PM  

over_and_done: GoodyearPimp: gajacks: The father of one of my students never missed one of his son's basketball games (which is a good thing) but would never make it to a single parent-teacher conference. We even offered to meet him right before or after a game, but he would skip out on those too.

Sports is important. What's anyone ever done with academics? The Lakers ain't payin millions to straight-A students.

And there's our incentive problem in a nutshell.


yup

 
2012-10-30 11:07:39 PM  

Gwendolyn: tudorgurl: Gwendolyn: I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.

So teachers shouldn't have lives? Or families? Really?

Jesus, dude. Seriously. It's your farking kid. They should be important enough to take an hour off of work to talk to the teacher. Or, if that's not an option, do a phone conference. Barring that, send an email.

It's not rocket surgery.

I do family therapy with kids in the juvenile justice system. One evening a week doesn't kill me and one every 9 weeks for this wouldn't kill teachers.


It depends on the teacher. In my school district, you can not have a parent-teacher conference without an administrator present (hooray lawsuits). The average conference lasts at least 15 minutes IF the parent is on time. Multiply that by 200-300 students. Unless you can fit 50+ hours into one evening, I think you are in for a bit more than an evening (unpayed, mind you) every 9 weeks.
 
2012-10-30 11:24:12 PM  

vegasj: My mom or dad made sure one of them took off work to make it. Why?

Because they cared could.

 
2012-10-30 11:25:52 PM  
I've only one question, does it work? All of the people in this thread getting off on feeling superior to the working poor, be ashamed. All of the people who talk about how things were or ought to be, wake up to reality. Try it, if it works do it more, if it doesn't try something else.
 
2012-10-30 11:45:19 PM  

omnimancer28: Gwendolyn: tudorgurl: Gwendolyn: I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.

So teachers shouldn't have lives? Or families? Really?

Jesus, dude. Seriously. It's your farking kid. They should be important enough to take an hour off of work to talk to the teacher. Or, if that's not an option, do a phone conference. Barring that, send an email.

It's not rocket surgery.

I do family therapy with kids in the juvenile justice system. One evening a week doesn't kill me and one every 9 weeks for this wouldn't kill teachers.

It depends on the teacher. In my school district, you can not have a parent-teacher conference without an administrator present (hooray lawsuits). The average conference lasts at least 15 minutes IF the parent is on time. Multiply that by 200-300 students. Unless you can fit 50+ hours into one evening, I think you are in for a bit more than an evening (unpayed, mind you) every 9 weeks.


The article is for elementary students. My son has 24 kids in his second grade class. That's 6ish hours if everyone comes.
 
2012-10-30 11:56:39 PM  
Chicago hours for report card pick-up/conferences have generally been 12:00pm to 6:00pm.

Hardly bank hours, but this should be expanded in my opinion. In the suburban district my wife teaches in they're scheduled two days and for one night the hours are 6:00pm to 9:00pm.
 
2012-10-30 11:57:00 PM  
You want parents to show up.... do what we did..... hold on to the report cards until Friday night and have an open house with free dinner for parents and their kids. Give all the teachers the morning off so they can stay late and meet with parents until 9pm. Of course, we were a charter school so we could play fast and loose with CPS regulations but it worked.... we always had better then 80% of our parents come in.

Poor parents work and are stressed for time.... have flexible hours and save them time by proving a good meal and they'll come.
 
2012-10-30 11:57:27 PM  
I spent a year volunteering in the South Side of Chicago. Terrible neighborhood. Even though it was only a couple blocks from the train station, on multiple occasions I had gangs of elementary school/middle school kids taunt me and throw glass bottles at me as I walked back to the train after my shift while yelling racial slurs (I'm white).

The program I worked for paid kids to show up and record videos and music for productions that they gave to younger inner-city kids during weekend presentations. I volunteered because these were the things I loved to do as a kid and I never imagined I could get paid for it.

None of the kids gave a shiat. They were too cool and acted put out that they were being "forced" to show up and stop texting for two hours so that they could learn some new skills while being paid. I tried my best to make it interesting and show them how they could use these skills to make money doing what they liked, but they were more interested in socializing.

So, if it takes $25 to get a parent to show up to a conference, how much will it cost to make them actually invest time in what their kids are doing and inspire them to do better?
 
2012-10-30 11:59:18 PM  
How shiatty of a parent are you to not even pick up your child's report card? If the parent show that they care about education why should the kid? Less competition for my children I guess...
 
2012-10-31 12:11:43 AM  

Gwendolyn: omnimancer28: Gwendolyn: tudorgurl: Gwendolyn: I see this all the time at work. People complain at how uninvolved parents are and then they have conferences at like 10 am. People freaking work. Have the things at like 7pm and you might get a different response.

So teachers shouldn't have lives? Or families? Really?

Jesus, dude. Seriously. It's your farking kid. They should be important enough to take an hour off of work to talk to the teacher. Or, if that's not an option, do a phone conference. Barring that, send an email.

It's not rocket surgery.

I do family therapy with kids in the juvenile justice system. One evening a week doesn't kill me and one every 9 weeks for this wouldn't kill teachers.

It depends on the teacher. In my school district, you can not have a parent-teacher conference without an administrator present (hooray lawsuits). The average conference lasts at least 15 minutes IF the parent is on time. Multiply that by 200-300 students. Unless you can fit 50+ hours into one evening, I think you are in for a bit more than an evening (unpayed, mind you) every 9 weeks.

The article is for elementary students. My son has 24 kids in his second grade class. That's 6ish hours if everyone comes.


The article says the announcement was made at an elementary school. The program includes 70 schools including some high schools.
 
2012-10-31 12:14:10 AM  
Damn.

I wish it were, "If you don't pick up your kid's report card, we put it in an orphanage because you are a bad parent, and incapable of raising a child."
 
2012-10-31 12:14:46 AM  

gajacks: Teachers don't have 10 am meetings. That's when they are teaching. They have them in the evening when classes are over.


Not always. Our school wil have these half-days where kids attend just in the morning, and parent-teacher conferences are scheduled in the afternoon.

Oh, and you can't bring your kid along to the parent-teacher conference.
 
2012-10-31 12:23:54 AM  
Handing out $25 gift cards to pick up report cards? This idea should be marked as *puts on sunglasses* Needs Improvement YEEAAAAAAAH!
 
2012-10-31 12:30:28 AM  

vegasj:


My mom or dad made sure one of them took off work to make it.


I wonder if your parents had single co-workers who whined on the internet about how they have to pick up all the slack when parents take time off work to attend to some child-related matter and how blatantly unfair that is?
 
2012-10-31 12:35:09 AM  
But ... but ... if we just increase school budgets over and over and over we'll get really smart kids and involved parents.

It's really a matter of enough money going into Union coffers.

Don't you know that's what prevents involved parenting? Not enough Union money?
 
2012-10-31 01:44:30 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Fark this. Incentive based education? Here's MY incentive: I want my kids to do well, so they aren't flipping burgers when they're in their 30's. Just had a parent/teacher conference today at 2pm. Wife and I both took time off from work to be there, because we give a shiat.


I have two daughters even though they aren't mine (fiancee's children from a previous relationship). I have them interested in doing really well in school to get a good education in college. I took the backasswards way of doing meh in school, joining the military and then getting a free college education. They are still young (one in K, the other in 2nd grade) but they love to learn and try to imitate me when I'm doing homework. Hopefully I can keep them interested in school and so far that is a promising outlook for me. They relate to me more than their real dad because I actually take an interest in the work they do and I take them places to teach them about anything they want to learn. Their dad? When he has the girls for the weekend he keeps them cooped up in their room while he plays video games all day. His day job is working fast food.

/I'd love to take a road trip to Chicago and visit the Field Museum, the girls REALLY want to see a dinosaur in person.
 
2012-10-31 02:55:38 AM  
eugenics and sterilization is the answer.
 
2012-10-31 07:05:29 AM  
My son goes to private school so I have to pay a $25 dollar deposit to pick up his grades.
 
2012-10-31 07:20:33 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Maybe someday, we'll drop this idea that every kid has to go to college and become SOMETHING, and maybe it will become socially acceptable for people to be satisfied being auto mechanics or grocery store managers all their lives, if that's what they're happy doing and it provides a steady paycheck.


I don't think we've lost the ideal that it's ok to work at those jobs, it's that those jobs don't let you live a life of pride anymore.

A good day's work is a good day's work -- but not if the cheque won't feed you or your family.
 
2012-10-31 07:55:16 AM  
Why do these conversations always turn into a eugenics/sterlization love-fest?
 
2012-10-31 08:47:19 AM  

Tenatra:

I'd love to take a road trip to Chicago and visit the Field Museum, the girls REALLY want to see a dinosaur in person.



Ummmm...you do realize it's just some bones, not a Jurrasic Park thing..right?
 
2012-10-31 10:12:35 AM  

Akessamenos: Why do these conversations always turn into a eugenics/sterlization love-fest?


Because a lot of the time the excuse boils down to "I'm too busy/tired to take an interest in the life that I helped create. Let someone else do that." These people tend to be, but are not always, at the lower end of the economic spectrum and usually already receiving several types of public assistance.Since we don't want them to become an even bigger burden on society than they already are, eugenics/sterilization get brought up as some sort of solution to prevent the problem from getting worse. Not saying it's right or wrong, just that's what tends to happen.

/slippery slope is slippery
//but not always wrong
///ymmv
 
2012-10-31 10:18:45 AM  

Akessamenos: Why do these conversations always turn into a eugenics/sterlization love-fest?


You know who else managed to inject their love of eugenics/sterilization into most conversations? George Bernard Shaw, the playwright. Now you've learned something in this education thread.
 
2012-10-31 10:36:53 AM  

JohnCarter: Ummmm...you do realize it's just some bones, not a Jurrasic Park thing..right?


Yes I know, I went there a few times when I was younger. The closest thing we have to dinosaurs around here is T-Rex Cafe.
 
2012-10-31 01:27:57 PM  

Akessamenos: Why do these conversations always turn into a eugenics/sterlization love-fest?


Why do people keep trying to equate eugenics and sterilization?
 
2012-10-31 02:43:53 PM  
Many studies in behavioural economics show this type of incentive doesn't work. Actually it can cause an increase in non-compliance. In one study, a day-care center started fining parents for being late - this caused an increase in late parents.

The basic idea is that if you institute a fine, people will feel justified in not complying as long as they pay the fine. So the $10 "penalty" for being late to get the kids is seen by the parents as a $10 "fee" to pay the center for the extended baby-sitting (or - in the case of this article - paying a $25 "fee" - which they're glad to do - to not have to get the report cards).

Those that pay the "fee" feel totally justified in their actions and see no punitive measure towards them.
 
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