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(Deadline)   Fox is bringing Bryan Singer back to derail the X-Men franchise   (deadline.com) divider line 73
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2012-10-30 10:06:13 PM  
Eh, they've introduced enough continuity problems in Origins and First Class that I think most of us can accept the movies as just a loose grouping of movies that aren't particularly related, and deal with some being good and some bad.
 
2012-10-30 10:11:15 PM  
As long as Wolverine has a foul mouthed cameo, I'm on board!

He's so dreamy!
 
2012-10-30 10:15:13 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Eh, they've introduced enough continuity problems in Origins and First Class that I think most of us can accept the movies as just a loose grouping of movies that aren't particularly related, and deal with some being good and some bad.


Bollocks!

Xavier will meet some mutant that will fix his spine in the next one to mesh with "Wolverine" (and then lose it again sometime in the late 80s).

And Sabretooth will meet someone who causes amnesia so he doesn't treat Wolverine like a brother in the original X-men movie (and also gives him blond, poofy hair).
 
2012-10-30 10:15:45 PM  
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost...
 
2012-10-30 10:16:59 PM  
They don't have any of the characters for "Days of Future Past", at least not from the reboot. I suppose you can introduce them all, but that makes for a messy movie.
 
2012-10-30 10:17:04 PM  

poonesfarm: Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost
Please recast Emma Frost...


Or make it a hard R with some jiggly, unclothed action.

Since that won't happen...

Yeah, what you said.
 
2012-10-30 10:20:40 PM  
Yeah,Brian Singer, the X-Men is a parable about gays, we get it. Do you have to continually beat us over the purple headed helmet while marching over the Golden Gate Bridge about it?
 
2012-10-30 10:23:32 PM  
Just let Joss Whedon do it.
 
2012-10-30 10:24:11 PM  

Mugato: Yeah,Brian Singer, the X-Men is a parable about gays, we get it. Do you have to continually beat us over the purple headed helmet while marching over the Golden Gate Bridge about it?


I was told it was about the Jews.

Ok, the gay Jews.
 
2012-10-30 10:26:00 PM  
Just let Rob Liefeld do it.
 
2012-10-30 10:29:29 PM  

you are a puppet: Just let Rob Liefeld do it.


That could be interesting. Has anyone ever shot a film that went out of its way to not show the actors' feet? And the wardrobe and prop departments're gonna have quite a challenge fitting all those pouches onto the outfits and making ridiculously oversized guns.
 
2012-10-30 10:31:29 PM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-10-30 10:35:24 PM  

Mugato: Yeah,Brian Singer, the X-Men is a parable about gays, we get it. Do you have to continually beat us over the purple headed helmet while marching over the Golden Gate Bridge about it?


That'll get some bites.
 
2012-10-30 10:37:10 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: This is why we can't have nice things.


Yes, Bryan Singer totally botched the first two movies.

What a total dick he is.
 
2012-10-30 10:37:11 PM  
I liked the first 2 X-Men...the fact he didn't produce or direct the 3rd in the original trilogy is a GOOD thing since that one was kinda crappy.

I enjoyed First Class, but I think that was mostly because of the dynamic between Magneto and Professor X. If they can't keep the dynamic, the sequel will fall apart.
 
2012-10-30 10:37:24 PM  

poonesfarm: you are a puppet: Just let Rob Liefeld do it.

That could be interesting. Has anyone ever shot a film that went out of its way to not show the actors' feet? And the wardrobe and prop departments're gonna have quite a challenge fitting all those pouches onto the outfits and making ridiculously oversized guns.


Not to mention making swords meet hilts and obtuse angles and making characters have genetic deformities, along with the 'how do you hold a gun again' moments.
 
2012-10-30 10:42:22 PM  
It would be kinda fun to hand the same script to Bryan Singer and Michael Bay. It's worth 400 million dollars to produce the same film twice just to prove that Michael Bay is the biggest piece of shiat the film industry has ever known.
 
2012-10-30 10:44:34 PM  
I've been told that every new X-Men film would be awesome.

Then, when each film came out, I was told that it was awesome.

After that - every time - I sat down and watched it.

None of these movies have been any good.

I'm done. You kids have fun, and remember to turn the lights off when you're done.
 
2012-10-30 10:45:35 PM  

aaronx: I've been told that every new X-Men film would be awesome.

Then, when each film came out, I was told that it was awesome.

After that - every time - I sat down and watched it.

None of these movies have been any good.

I'm done. You kids have fun, and remember to turn the lights off when you're done.


You must be a Wes Anderson fan. Insufferable, the lot of you.
 
2012-10-30 10:50:08 PM  

Mugato: Yeah,Brian Singer, the X-Men is a parable about gays, we get it. Do you have to continually beat us over the purple headed helmet while marching over the Golden Gate Bridge about it?


Wait, whut?
 
2012-10-30 10:53:30 PM  
Loved the first two (that Singer was responsible for), hated the third and the Wolverine movie, and actually liked "First Class" as long as I pretend it's an unconnected, alternate universe telling of the story (to account for the plot holes it makes, it's easier to just consider it a parallel story instead of a prequel).

Don't think he can salvage the franchise as-is, since there are so many glaring plot holes and narrative dead ends. Sadly, a "reboot" is the only chance of fixing that. And although I'm sure Hollywood would disagree, I think it's too early for that. I just don't see that even Singer can repair the damage done at this point. Hell, the ideal for us geeks would be to see the brand returned to Marvel to connect it to their broader universe, and you know THAT won't happen as Fox execs would rather chew off their own arms.

But what do I know? Any new movie will probably make tons of money by people who don't care about plot holes or deviations from established character traits, so what I want or wish for is of no real consequence.
 
2012-10-30 10:58:51 PM  

Shadowknight: Loved the first two (that Singer was responsible for), hated the third and the Wolverine movie, and actually liked "First Class" as long as I pretend it's an unconnected, alternate universe telling of the story (to account for the plot holes it makes, it's easier to just consider it a parallel story instead of a prequel).

Don't think he can salvage the franchise as-is, since there are so many glaring plot holes and narrative dead ends. Sadly, a "reboot" is the only chance of fixing that. And although I'm sure Hollywood would disagree, I think it's too early for that. I just don't see that even Singer can repair the damage done at this point. Hell, the ideal for us geeks would be to see the brand returned to Marvel to connect it to their broader universe, and you know THAT won't happen as Fox execs would rather chew off their own arms.

But what do I know? Any new movie will probably make tons of money by people who don't care about plot holes or deviations from established character traits, so what I want or wish for is of no real consequence.


A) The plot has already been determined. Look it up. It won't repair anything in terms of continuity, it'll probably make it worse. But Singer is a good story teller who cares about his characters.

B) Mark Millar is working on harmonizing the Marvel universe. He has some meetings with Fox, Paramount and Marvel to start "discussions". It may lead nowhere, but it's a start. Oh, and Sony too. Ugh, what a mess.
 
2012-10-30 10:59:17 PM  

slayer199: I liked the first 2 X-Men...the fact he didn't produce or direct the 3rd in the original trilogy is a GOOD thing since that one was kinda crappy.


It's also possible that the 3rd one was crappy because he didn't direct or produce it. Having different writers probably didn't help either. Top it off with Brett Ratner and you have a recipe for a shiat-sandwich.
 
2012-10-30 10:59:19 PM  
Subby misspelled Brett Farking Ratner as the derailer of the X-Men franchise
 
2012-10-30 11:02:23 PM  
I think it is time we had a movie focusing on the only important character marvel has ever produced: Forbush man
 
2012-10-30 11:11:46 PM  
I have them all, but I really don't like any of them very well. The first is okay, but it's hindered greatly by Halle Berry's terrible acting, awful attempt at an accent, and clear contempt for the source material and intended audience. It's also damaged by a Jean Grey who isn't a redhead, but a brunette with poorly-dyed hair (and it's not even a natural-looking ginger color, but a fake, not-occurring in nature red/magenta/auburn).

The second one just goes off on a tangent. Suddenly Storm, a few weeks later, has no accent (what? Did the Professor erase it from her mind? Was she suffering from a speech impediment when she met Wolverine and Rogue? What the hell, Halle Berry? Do you even TRY to act when you're hired as an actress?) and Jean still has that fake bottle-dye job for her brunette hair. But then they introduce characters that become walking, talking cliches. Nightcrawler isn't furry, and is instead covered in angelic symbols (and promptly forgotten when this movie is over). And what's up with Jean's sacrifice at the end? They're about to be hit by an icy Canadian lake and they have ICEMAN on the plane. Couldn't he just stick a hand out the window and freeze enough of that already near-freezing water for them to get away? Why did he just sit there forgetting that his powers work REALLY WELL with cold water? He could have sealed the dam with ice. He could have stopped the lake from hitting the plane. He PROBABLY could have frozen the whole damned lake if he tried.

But no... We have to shoehorn Jean's sacrifice in there without actually using the Brood, or deep space, or anything cool. We'll just kill her with a lot of cold water.

I enjoyed the third one, even though it had the reek of the franchise on it, because at least it stopped trying to be so pose-a-riffic and just got to the action and fun. Sure, Halle got more lines (and she still sucked), but Kelsey Grammer was a good choice for Beast (and it was old-school, non-cat Beast, so kudos there) and Ellen Page was a great Kitty Pryde. Still, the story was stupid and the bad guys were all so disposable it was pathetic.

Origins: Wolverine was terrible. Just plain awful. It was as if people who didn't like the X-Men threw a bunch of names and powers into a blender with a previously-written bad movie, and came up with that crappy excuse for a superhero flick. I try to forget I saw it at all.

First Class was full of plot holes, inconsistencies, and just plain stupid characterizations. Ages were all screwed up (Alex Summers, Scott's younger brother, is twenty years older than Scott?), relationships were established when they made no sense (Mystique as Charles' best friend and roomy? COME ON!), and the villains were, once again, sadly disposable and had no real logic to their plans. People switched sides for stupid reasons. Characters died purely for shock value. The end was a total clusterfark that pissed on the series' own continuity in at least half a dozen different ways.

So they want me to keep going with this series? ARE THEY SERIOUS?

Just sell the mutants back to Marvel, guys. Fox has shown that they don't care to make decent movies that don't insult the audience where the X-Men are concerned. Just because we're comic fans doesn't mean we're mouth-breathing idiots who don't recognize a soulless money-grab when we see it.
 
2012-10-30 11:13:41 PM  

poonesfarm: you are a puppet: Just let Rob Liefeld do it.

That could be interesting. Has anyone ever shot a film that went out of its way to not show the actors' feet? And the wardrobe and prop departments're gonna have quite a challenge fitting all those pouches onto the outfits and making ridiculously oversized guns.


You forgot the shoulder pads. And the cod-pieces.
 
2012-10-30 11:14:30 PM  

therecksays: Subby misspelled Brett Farking Ratner as the derailer of the X-Men franchise


I think he was the only one who actually made it any fun.

Sure, it was a mess, but it was a fun mess. Singer's mess was a dull, plodding mess.
 
2012-10-30 11:16:43 PM  
All the movies were horse shiat. Comic-book movie fans have to be the least objective movie critics ever.

No wonder the studios are humping superheroes to death. The movies are targeted at the mental level of an 8-year old, and all the die-hard fans are just way too eager to declare each movie to be a masterpiece.

The X-men cartoon series was seriously more mature and better constructed than the movies.
 
2012-10-30 11:18:02 PM  
What is Mugato smoking?
 
2012-10-30 11:18:40 PM  

ZeroCorpse: therecksays: Subby misspelled Brett Farking Ratner as the derailer of the X-Men franchise

I think he was the only one who actually made it any fun.

Sure, it was a mess, but it was a fun mess. Singer's mess was a dull, plodding mess.


I'll agree with you some there. It did seem to finally "realize" the X-men universe with lots of mutants. Lots of fan boy nods too. And I like Ottman's score a lot. But yes, many many other problems.
 
2012-10-30 11:22:49 PM  

Kittypie070: What is Mugato smoking?


I dunno. But he plays too hard to be Fark's resident crank at times.

This is one of those times.
 
2012-10-30 11:32:29 PM  

Neondistraction: It's also possible that the 3rd one was crappy because he didn't direct or produce it. Having different writers probably didn't help either. Top it off with Brett Ratner and you have a recipe for a shiat-sandwich.


That was my point. It was likely crappy because he wasn't involved (and he did produce First Class).
 
2012-10-30 11:33:32 PM  
After X-Men 3, they should give the franchise to Tarantino.
 
2012-10-30 11:42:20 PM  
Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).
 
2012-10-30 11:45:40 PM  

rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).


Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.
 
2012-10-30 11:47:15 PM  

coeyagi: rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).

Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.


How about you explain why you think it didn't suck instead of just appealing to authority. The thing was an incoherent mess.
 
2012-10-30 11:56:18 PM  
So it's going to suck bloody dick. Good to know.
 
2012-10-30 11:56:46 PM  

rynthetyn: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).

Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.

How about you explain why you think it didn't suck instead of just appealing to authority. The thing was an incoherent mess.


Wouldn't the burden of the minority be to prove that it did suck?
 
2012-10-31 12:06:35 AM  

coeyagi: rynthetyn: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).

Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.

How about you explain why you think it didn't suck instead of just appealing to authority. The thing was an incoherent mess.

Wouldn't the burden of the minority be to prove that it did suck?


So you have no reason why it wasn't an incoherent mess. Got it.
 
2012-10-31 12:08:34 AM  

rynthetyn: coeyagi: rynthetyn: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).

Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.

How about you explain why you think it didn't suck instead of just appealing to authority. The thing was an incoherent mess.

Wouldn't the burden of the minority be to prove that it did suck?

So you have no reason why it wasn't an incoherent mess. Got it.


Sure I do. I could just as easily say "you have no actual proof that it's an incoherent mess, you're just saying it's an incoherent mess as fact rather than opinion".

See how this works? You can't call someone out for doing exactly what you're doing, unless you enjoy looking like a schmuck in front of all your Fark friends.
 
2012-10-31 12:18:49 AM  

coeyagi: rynthetyn: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).

Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.

How about you explain why you think it didn't suck instead of just appealing to authority. The thing was an incoherent mess.

Wouldn't the burden of the minority be to prove that it did suck?


Probably because it was not the success it was supposed to be, they expected lord of the rings type box office and after all was said and done they may have made $30-$40 million, in hollywood thats considered a bomb now and that almost a fourth of that gross came in the first 5 days. It wasnt as big a bomb as Speed Racer, also holder of a high audience score, but it was still considered a bomb by spending over $350 million to make and promote a film to only gross $391 million. Just like speed racer, it drew in the core audience but those who werent big superman fans were not impressed and stayed at home, superman just has a bigger built in audience which is why it grossed so much on opening weekend. I saw it on cable, it was ok but not that great and I can understand why it didnt make a huge splash, but then I hate the transformers films and national treasure series but those both make a shiat ton of money.

And it seems the studio seems to agree it sucked:
"Superman Returns didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," Warner Bros. President of Production Jeff Robinov reflected in August 2008. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned. Had Superman worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009. Now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."
 
2012-10-31 12:22:35 AM  

ZeroCorpse: . And what's up with Jean's sacrifice at the end? They're about to be hit by an icy Canadian lake and they have ICEMAN on the plane. Couldn't he just stick a hand out the window and freeze enough of that already near-freezing water for them to get away? Why did he just sit there forgetting that his powers work REALLY WELL with cold water? He could have sealed the dam with ice. He could have stopped the lake from hitting the plane. He PROBABLY could have frozen the whole damned lake if he tried.

But no... We have to shoehorn Jean's sacrifice in there without actually using the Brood, or deep space, or anything cool. We'll just kill her with a lot of cold water.

.


If I remember the movie correctly, Nightcrawler couldn't BAMF out to save her because she was blocking his abilities. I am sure she did the same to the others.

Lot of good points and some I agree with, but I think this one was actually explained in the movie. Doesn't make it less stupid necessarily, but the answer is there.
 
2012-10-31 12:23:35 AM  

steamingpile: coeyagi: rynthetyn: coeyagi: rynthetyn: Singer is hit and miss with the comic book movies. His X-Men outings were pretty decent, but Superman Returns sucked big time (though it didn't help that Brandon Routh has the leading man looks but not skills to carry a movie).

Link

76% of hundreds of critics who get paid to review movies because of their expertise would like a word with you.

How about you explain why you think it didn't suck instead of just appealing to authority. The thing was an incoherent mess.

Wouldn't the burden of the minority be to prove that it did suck?

Probably because it was not the success it was supposed to be, they expected lord of the rings type box office and after all was said and done they may have made $30-$40 million, in hollywood thats considered a bomb now and that almost a fourth of that gross came in the first 5 days. It wasnt as big a bomb as Speed Racer, also holder of a high audience score, but it was still considered a bomb by spending over $350 million to make and promote a film to only gross $391 million. Just like speed racer, it drew in the core audience but those who werent big superman fans were not impressed and stayed at home, superman just has a bigger built in audience which is why it grossed so much on opening weekend. I saw it on cable, it was ok but not that great and I can understand why it didnt make a huge splash, but then I hate the transformers films and national treasure series but those both make a shiat ton of money.

And it seems the studio seems to agree it sucked:
"Superman Returns didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," Warner Bros. President of Production Jeff Robinov reflected in August 2008. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned. Had Superman worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009. Now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."


Fair enough, you at least qualified it in that many people define success in terms of box office, which I can appreciate. And I can also appreciate that it didn't really offer a new perspective on the character, it was just a new take on Donner's Superman.

But see, now, I actually feel like discussing the merit and detractors of the film because you actually didn't take a dump on this thread with "it sucked."
 
2012-10-31 12:25:40 AM  
Days of Future Past.

Is it too much to hope that that's not just the name, but in fact a reference to the plot of the movie being similar to the X-Men story of the same name?
 
2012-10-31 12:28:20 AM  

Fricknmaniac: Days of Future Past.

Is it too much to hope that that's not just the name, but in fact a reference to the plot of the movie being similar to the X-Men story of the same name?


Since the plot of the movie has already been published, it's not beyond human ability to discover if it is.

//since I don't know the comics story nor do I care, I can't confirm
 
2012-10-31 12:37:45 AM  

coeyagi: But see, now, I actually feel like discussing the merit and detractors of the film because you actually didn't take a dump on this thread with "it sucked."


Because I am an objective viewer, contrary to how I am interpreted on the intranets.

I think the studio wanted larger numbers but were willing to take a chance with him one more time since the film didnt completely suck but once other films made a shiat ton of money on a far lower budget they balked and he tried to call their bluff to which they said "see ya later" I can see how people would like it but I can also see how traditional people could hate it and it seems like they just ignored the fact a lot of their audience could be in their 60s-70s now. I think the film tried to do too much and wasted Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey, it could have been better but it also could have been a lot worse, you have to bring brass balls to fark with someones legend.
 
2012-10-31 12:54:18 AM  
First Class was okay, but X2 is the only X-Men movie I can see myself watching again.
 
2012-10-31 02:23:49 AM  
I really don't care at this point...

I desperately wish that Marvel will get the film rights back to X-Men and Spiderman. Pretty much all of the movies except for the first 2 Raimi Spiderman flicks have been, if not bad, then pretty much royal snoozefests. This includes all of the X-Men films.

I just watched Joe Johnsons Captain America again last night (I was ripping it to my HTPC) and let me tell you, for the "Weakest" performer of the Marvel studio films, it freaking rocked.

Get the rights back marvel, then let Whedon write/direct an X-men reboot to align to the Marvel Movie Universe. It doesn't matter how much it costs, you'll be able to print your own money with it.
 
2012-10-31 02:44:39 AM  

TwistedFark: I really don't care at this point...

I desperately wish that Marvel will get the film rights back to X-Men and Spiderman. Pretty much all of the movies except for the first 2 Raimi Spiderman flicks have been, if not bad, then pretty much royal snoozefests. This includes all of the X-Men films.

I just watched Joe Johnsons Captain America again last night (I was ripping it to my HTPC) and let me tell you, for the "Weakest" performer of the Marvel studio films, it freaking rocked.

Get the rights back marvel, then let Whedon write/direct an X-men reboot to align to the Marvel Movie Universe. It doesn't matter how much it costs, you'll be able to print your own money with it.


Well, Disney just blew $4.2 billion on buying Lucas Films. I think they might be watching the pocket book for a little while now.
 
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