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2012-10-30 12:19:28 PM  
No, Mitt Romney Doesn't Really Want to Kill Off FEMA, say right-wing nutjobs at....The Atlantic?
 
2012-10-30 12:20:09 PM  
Well I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
 
2012-10-30 12:20:13 PM  
All this article shows is that the gop house is holding our country back and they need to be voted out of office. The big stuff that Romney wants is the same crap that Dubya got and look at the result of that.
 
2012-10-30 12:20:38 PM  
People don't understand, funding FEMA is immoral! It's immoral! See we should let the state's decide how to do it, that way it's not immoral.

You see how that works?

Federal Emergency Management Agency = immoral
State Emergency Management Agency = moral

See, states can do everything. They are magical AND moral. Except invading Iran. Then we will ask states to send their people to other countries to die for us. Which is absolutely the moral thing to do.

That's what people just don't understand in America. We are America! We live in a country that is made up of tiny countries! A union of tiny countries into one country that's the same country! It's brilliant, really. And we don't have to help each other out except to attack other countries. I mean sure, we mostly all speak the same language. And sure, we have the same currency. And our businesses are intertwined all over the country. And our systems of roads, bridges, and waterways span across different states, sure. Oh and people can move between countries and often do a lot. But we should let states each invent totally different rules so that we're confused by each state's rules and therefore we no longer function as a country but a set of independent countries where rape babies are OK in some places. That's how it works, people! America! Freedom! Eagles! Rape Babies!
 
2012-10-30 12:20:58 PM  

BravadoGT: The Atlantic


and to go along with that, a story from Yahoo news:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83001.html
 
2012-10-30 12:21:39 PM  
Not surprised in 3.. 2..
 
2012-10-30 12:22:31 PM  
I, for one, would love less government control. If this means less help when in bad times, well, so be it.

Anyway to cut costs.
 
2012-10-30 12:22:42 PM  

BravadoGT: No, Mitt Romney Doesn't Really Want to Kill Off FEMA, say right-wing nutjobs at....The Atlantic?


So what your article states is that Romney left enough wiggle room to talk out of both sides of his face again. Well that's quite an endorsement.
 
2012-10-30 12:22:46 PM  
 
2012-10-30 12:22:51 PM  

m1ke: North East folks: don't forget to get your FEMA credit debit card! That shiat was dope.


You're thinking of FEMA under Mike Brown, Former Horse Show Judge. This is now FEMA under Craig Fugate, Former Director of Florida's Emergency Management Agency.

// Craig Fugate, whose nomination to his current post was held up by David Vitter (R-LA), who said he had asked FEMA some questions - unrelated to Fugate or his confirmation - and they hadn't responded timely enough for him
// Mike Brown's nomination sailed through with nary a peep about anything - confirmed by chamber voice vote
 
2012-10-30 12:23:03 PM  

soj4life: All this article shows is that the gop house is holding our country back and they need to be voted out of office. The big stuff that Romney wants is the same crap that Dubya got and look at the result of that.

Wrong thread.

Romney is only saying this now because so many states he is trying to win are effected by Sandy.
 
2012-10-30 12:23:30 PM  
Governor Romney, there are times when we're fifty states and there are times when we're one country, and have national needs. And the way I know this is that Massachusetts didn't fight Germany in World War II or establish civil rights. You think states should do the governing wall-to-wall. That's a perfectly valid opinion. But your state of Massachusetts got $12.6 billion in federal money last year - from Nebraskans, and Virginians, and New Yorkers, and Alaskans, with their Eskimo poetry. 12.6 out of a state budget of $32 billion. I'm supposed to be using this time for a question, so here it is: Can we have it back, please?
 
2012-10-30 12:23:38 PM  
No way really?
 
2012-10-30 12:23:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-30 12:24:08 PM  
i'm surprised he waited this long.
 
2012-10-30 12:24:21 PM  

doyner: If Romney wins then this country is essentially getting what it deserves: The lasting, painful effects of willful ignorance.


The GOP's stonewalling of Obama is just as much a continuation of such ignorance, and unfortunately
if Obama wins they will continue their reprehensible treason.
 
2012-10-30 12:24:22 PM  
When FEMA, once again, proves its uselessness, I'm sure you all will offer your apologies for your stupidity.
 
2012-10-30 12:24:50 PM  
Since Obama still believes in responsible, effective government, when he needed an expert to run FEMA he called on Jeb Bush's hurricane expert, Craig Fugate.
Hell of a job, Craigie.
Sure beats a horsey guy political hack.
 
2012-10-30 12:24:52 PM  
What is more disturbing to me is not that he flip flopped, but that his mouth breathing base thought it was a good idea to disband FEMA in the first place.
 
2012-10-30 12:24:58 PM  
Hurricane Sandy left millions suffering

Hey, wasn't this at about the time of the Katrina disaster where the Huffington Post claimed the cannibalism had begun? About lunch time the day after?
 
2012-10-30 12:25:12 PM  
A friend of mine referred to a new theory called "Quantum Romneyism". It proposes that Mitt Romney holds a superposition of all political opinions which, when observed, collapse based on the audience.
 
2012-10-30 12:25:37 PM  

Fart_Machine: States are already first responders. The whole point of FEMA is to provide them any aid if it reaches beyond what they can handle. The Romney campaign has a knack for using lots of words to say precisely nothing.


And the governor of the state must apply for such aid, have his state declared a federal disaster area, and the president must approve. Further, if the cost of amount of aid exceeds a predetermined limit, the Congress must approve a special appropriation. I don't know about the anti-government wing nuts, but I think this is a better way of spending tax dollars on disaster relief than just throwing a bag of cash at a state to do with what it wants.
 
2012-10-30 12:25:43 PM  
crooksandliars.com
 
2012-10-30 12:25:44 PM  
 
2012-10-30 12:25:44 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: You just know that the rabid right-wing conspiracy nuts (AKA the GOP's base) are now thinking that the
ZOG has got to Rmoney and implanted him with the Mark of the Beasttm brain control chip.


Actually, the GOP base is thinking, "I have no idea what any of Romney's policies really will be, but would check a box labeled 'Someone Else' when the other box is next to a black guy."
 
2012-10-30 12:25:46 PM  
I hope Romney goes down in history as the Presidential candidate (chosen by his peers) as:

"The man who stood for everything, and simultaneously for nothing."
 
2012-10-30 12:25:49 PM  
*YARN*

If Mitt does win, this country deserves him.
 
2012-10-30 12:26:41 PM  
Wait wait wait...can somebody tell me if its ok to blame this hurricane on Bush or not? According to 2005,he DOES have the power to contrl the weather, after all.
 
2012-10-30 12:26:42 PM  
I'll repost what I saw on GMA this morning since we're talking FEMA:

I just saw Chris Christie (on Good Morning America) praise Obama, the Administration, and FEMA for their performance working with NJ regarding Sandy.

My first thought:
"A nationally-known Republican who may well run in 2016 is praising Obama's job performance a week before the election on a nationally broadcast morning show?!" (I think in long, comma-free sentences)

I can't remember the last time a well-known Republican who is still active in politics praised Obama for anything. Well, except for Mitt at the last debate saying Obama's foreign policy was what he'd do, but he'd do it better. Not sure if that counts....
 
2012-10-30 12:26:49 PM  

Cletus C.: Vodka Zombie: Cletus C.: Has Obama declared this an act of nature yet?

Or is he blaming it on some incendiary hurricane-chasing youtube video?

You're trying too hard. Go to bed.

Perhaps you're right. This is no time to joke. Businesses Obama built are being destroyed.


You sound desperate, and tired. I've seen much better from you.
 
2012-10-30 12:26:58 PM  

papatex: I, for one, would love less government control. If this means less help when in bad times, well, so be it.

Anyway to cut costs.

Do you have any insurance policies in your name? If so, why? You clearly would rather cut costs then be prepared for catastrophes. Federal aid for disasters is like a country wide insurance policy. Its always easy to say "cut costs for emergencies" until you're the one that needs help.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:08 PM  
Getting Romney's to settle on a position is like trying to nail Jello to a tree.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:58 PM  

Citrate1007: What is more disturbing to me is not that he flip flopped, but that his mouth breathing base thought it was a good idea to disband FEMA in the first place.


They're still wetting themselves over the death camp thing
 
2012-10-30 12:28:01 PM  
Shameless, but certainly not surprising...

The man is an empty suit devoid of any character or consistency.
 
2012-10-30 12:28:04 PM  

adamgreeney: The sarcasm and satire of Fark is now becoming actual reality. Fark will tip so far into satire that it will come back around to serious news commentary......


It happened to the Onion.
 
2012-10-30 12:28:06 PM  
If Mitt does win, this country deserves him.

Don't scare me. After all, we voted for the shrub.....twice....
 
2012-10-30 12:28:07 PM  
Flip-flops are so 99%. Mittens wouldn't be caught dead in them. Reversible jackets? Well, that's another thing.

Now get back to work! The GOP has more wealth to transfer upward.
 
2012-10-30 12:28:16 PM  

jasimo: My first thought:
"A nationally-known Republican who may well run in 2016 is praising Obama's job performance a week before the election on a nationally broadcast morning show?!" (I think in long, comma-free sentences)


Your second thought should have been:
"Well, of course, he isn't going to be able to run against an incumbent Romney in 2016 and there's a good chance his heart will give out on him before 2020"
 
2012-10-30 12:28:40 PM  

AFKobel: Governor Romney, there are times when we're fifty states and there are times when we're one country, and have national needs. And the way I know this is that Massachusetts didn't fight Germany in World War II or establish civil rights. You think states should do the governing wall-to-wall. That's a perfectly valid opinion. But your state of Massachusetts got $12.6 billion in federal money last year - from Nebraskans, and Virginians, and New Yorkers, and Alaskans, with their Eskimo poetry. 12.6 out of a state budget of $32 billion. I'm supposed to be using this time for a question, so here it is: Can we have it back, please?


Why the fark are you addressing Massachusetts when talking to Romney? He has fark-all to do with this state now, and he has everything to do why this state has had some recent budget problems. And Massachusetts is still a net contributor to the federal coffers, so you can take your request and stick it up your ass.
 
2012-10-30 12:29:13 PM  
One the most obvious things in the narrative of this election is "No one actually wants Romney in charge". I've seen lots of support for the character and actions of Obama, but no one actually seems to like Romney. Even the die hard Republican supporters tend to speak about the negatives of Obama, never the positives of Romney.

That's not surprising, as he's clearly the "best we had to offer" for this election, but it's telling all the same.
 
2012-10-30 12:29:25 PM  

Fart_Machine: BravadoGT: No, Mitt Romney Doesn't Really Want to Kill Off FEMA, say right-wing nutjobs at....The Atlantic?

So what your article states is that Romney left enough wiggle room to talk out of both sides of his face again. Well that's quite an endorsement.


At least it was honest, unlike Salon, who misstates the question John King asked Romney in order to fit the template of their argument here. in TFA Salon writes:

In a GOP primary debate in June of last year, moderator John King asked Romney if he would let states take on the responsibilities of FEMA, which was "about to run out of money." "Absolutely," Romney replied. "And every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better... We cannot - we cannot afford to do those things," he added.

When, in actuality, King asked Romney if, in light of FEMA's serious budget problems, he would let states take on MORE of the responsibilities of FEMA.

That's a different question, and changes the meaning of the answer. You can see the actual video of the exchange
When, in actuality, King asked Romney if, in light of FEMA's serious budget problems, he would let states take on MORE of the responsibilities of FEMA.

That's a different question, and changes the meaning of the answer. " target="_blank">here.
 
2012-10-30 12:29:34 PM  

BravadoGT: No, Mitt Romney Doesn't Really Want to Kill Off FEMA, say right-wing nutjobs at....The Atlantic?


Note how they go out of their way to give Romney the benefit of the doubt, instead of taking his words at face value. It's basically a 'well, if we view it like this, then maybe hes not saying what he said' sort of thing.

Piss poor journalism at work.
 
2012-10-30 12:29:52 PM  
I really want to vote for Mitt Romney, but since I won't know what his opinions will actually be on election day until election day I haven't actually made up my mind yet.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:06 PM  
Like any federally-run agency, you can't cut it cold turkey. You have to phase it out gradually.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:10 PM  
Romney is in favor of getting rid of FEMA. But, since we are in a crisis, the disaster has hit, and we have trained the entire country to rely on the federal government for everything, he is supporting their efforts now. It would be like changing the rules after the game has begun.

I know the article in Salon referenced all the wonderful work and coordination that occurs when the federal government is in charge and they try to make you believe that only the federal government can perform that. If you have studied a little history, you may recall that the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 occurred prior to any federal relief programs, as did the Great Chicago Fire. In both instances, the devastation was incredible. In both instances, the relief came from private individuals, bank loans, private investment and even foreign countries. In neither case was there a FEMA. In both cases, rebuilding was fairly quick and robust.

Compare that to Katrina in New Orleans and the wonderful work of FEMA. You may recall that private companies (even the hated Wal-Mart) and relief agencies were quicker on the scene. You may recall that, even though there was advanced warning (notably lacking in San Francisco or Chicago) the city was unprepared because the mayor and governor had the option of ignoring warnings and advice and exercised that option. Rebuilding has been incredibly slow, in large part because of all the red tape surrounding FEMA. Note: the red tape isn't a poltical issue. It is an immutable law of too-large bureaucracies. Which is why FEMA should be phased out and control increasingly put on states and private insurance companies.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:40 PM  
"Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things; but we do not like the way the present Administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them-we will do more of them, we will do them better; and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything."
 
2012-10-30 12:30:52 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I really want to vote for Mitt Romney


And here we have the first time someone has ever uttered this sentence in the history of ever.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:53 PM  

Antimatter: Piss poor journalism at work.


You misspelled "stenography".
 
2012-10-30 12:31:02 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Lets just put every politics submission on the main page for the next week. Should be fun


No I avoid the politics tab because people have no clue what they are reading or how it is spun, these articles rely on just emotion instead of actual facts.

Right now states do not have anything set up like FEMA, a few do, like NY but by and large if shiat hits the fan then local municipalities have no idea how to deal with it. Its why NO turned into a shiat fest, Bush was asking what they needed and the governor along with the mayor both were pissing and moaning about who or what office should be in charge. They have no clear direction and they are more knowledgeable at a local level than a federal level but they all rely on federal departments to fix shiat.

But then we should expect this spin so close to an election, others people aren't the sheep we have come to know and despise.
 
2012-10-30 12:31:07 PM  

BravadoGT: Fart_Machine: BravadoGT: No, Mitt Romney Doesn't Really Want to Kill Off FEMA, say right-wing nutjobs at....The Atlantic?

So what your article states is that Romney left enough wiggle room to talk out of both sides of his face again. Well that's quite an endorsement.

At least it was honest, unlike Salon, who misstates the question John King asked Romney in order to fit the template of their argument here. in TFA Salon writes:

In a GOP primary debate in June of last year, moderator John King asked Romney if he would let states take on the responsibilities of FEMA, which was "about to run out of money." "Absolutely," Romney replied. "And every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better... We cannot - we cannot afford to do those things," he added.

When, in actuality, King asked Romney if, in light of FEMA's serious budget problems, he would let states take on MORE of the responsibilities of FEMA.

That's a different question, and changes the meaning of the answer. You can see the actual video of the exchange
When, in actuality, King asked Romney if, in light of FEMA's serious budget problems, he would let states take on MORE of the responsibilities of FEMA.

That's a different question, and changes the meaning of the answer. " target="_blank">here.


Well, something went wrong there!

anyway, the link for the video is here
 
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