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(Chicago Sun-Times)   President Obama has eroded the American dream, he was willing to take on Republican "obstructionism" in the name of a long-cherished liberal goal of overhauling the health-care industry but not to combat the unemployment crisis   (suntimes.com) divider line 43
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2012-10-30 02:53:55 PM  
5 votes:

Il Douchey: /He could have accomplished most of these promises without any GOP assistance

Close Gitmo - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Cut the deficit in half - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Earmark reform - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Keep unemployment below 7% - When he got into office it was already 7.8% and getting rapidly worse - he can't keep unemployment below 7% when it's already below 7% - not a failed promise, an impossible task - if he promised it in 2008 before the economy tanked under Bush, guess what, it doesn't count.
Pass cap and trade - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform
Post all pending legislation online for five days - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
No Super pac money - Supreme Court decision (who controls SCOTUS?)
Sign the Freedom of Choice Act - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
End Bush tax cuts - Didn't cut taxes due to recession his first two years - every economist on earth agreed with extending tax cuts at the time. After that, requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
No jobs for lobbyists - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Televise healthcare debates on C-Span - I have no idea what is required for this, but the healthcare arguments in Congress were in fact televised.
Ease racial tensions in America - LOL this is a joke right? How do you even f*cking measure this? 

Anyone with a clue about how Congress operated from 2009-2010, with a lack of a clear majority for much of this time and pending healthcare legislation, knows that your whole argument is full of sh*t.

The first two years, Obama passed a TON of legislation. The failed promises were mostly lower priority items he couldn't get done the second half of his term due to GOP obstructionism.

You are an idiot for even bringing this up.
2012-10-30 12:11:52 PM  
4 votes:
voices.washingtonpost.com
2012-10-30 11:35:07 AM  
4 votes:
Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.

GOP: This is what we want. These are our ideas.

Obama: OK. Here. We can do that.

GOP: Obama not cooperating!!!

Fark that noise.
2012-10-30 04:13:46 PM  
3 votes:
Obama destroying the American Dream? fark that noise.

Barack Obama ***IS*** the American Dream
2012-10-30 11:59:35 AM  
3 votes:
Republican strategy for dummies: "We're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this... WHY HAVEN'T YOU FIXED THIS YET?!?!"
2012-10-30 11:48:53 AM  
3 votes:
1) the healthcare passed because dems then controlled the house
2) the jobs bill has not passed because republicans now control the house
2012-10-30 11:23:46 AM  
3 votes:
Of course, if he had been open to working across the aisle, to accepting conservative fiscal ideas, the president could have picked off some moderate Republican senators - for example Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins of Maine, who voted for the $831 billion stimulus package - for further economy-bolstering measures. But no, in discussing the stimulus bill with Sen. John McCain, the 2008 defeated GOP nominee, and other Republicans at the White House in early 2009, Obama made clear his view was all that counted when he said, "I won" the election.

Funny thing, $282B of that are tax cuts for 94.3% of workers and small business. Or is that not a conservative ideal?

During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.


McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


/EABOD & your blog sucks
2012-10-30 08:43:00 PM  
2 votes:
i1128.photobucket.com
2012-10-30 04:00:21 PM  
2 votes:
i935.photobucket.com

F*ck you, subs.
2012-10-30 12:45:36 PM  
2 votes:

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.


And yet, getting Americans to purchase items from Fred's Hardware as opposed to Walmart or Lowe's (cause it's cheaper) and then get pissed off when Fred's hardware closes and lays off your sniveling brother-in-law and now he's living with you. And you can blame it on Obama and his "high taxes", when in fact the fault lies directly in your hands because you didn't patronise the small business.
2012-10-30 11:55:26 AM  
2 votes:
Maybe voters need to step up against Republican obstructionism as well and not vote Republican anymore until they start acting like sensible people.
2012-10-30 11:37:16 AM  
2 votes:
So you're saying government can create jobs?
2012-10-30 09:43:16 PM  
1 votes:
Look, even though I agree with the basic premise (that Obama spent more of his political capital in one place than was perhaps wise), he had to choose something to cash in his favors on and I can't fault him all that much for choosing Health care, given how it lies at the intersection of basic human welfare, industry control, and mitigating the dangers of screwy income distribution.

Even if he hadn't picked healthcare, my alternative choice would have been to turn closing Guantanamo into a real fight instead of backing down at the first sign of resistance. Not "unemployment". How the bloody hell is a president, or a congress for that matter, supposed to get a single bill/package together to address unemployment, short of outright nationalization of major industries?
2012-10-30 09:14:34 PM  
1 votes:

Garble: Democrats are terrible at stopping Republican's evil.

So vote Republican.


Essentially this.

Republicans are drunk drivers with a 5-series BMW, but the Dems are the DDs who can't drive stick.
2012-10-30 09:09:07 PM  
1 votes:

Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"


Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.
2012-10-30 09:04:58 PM  
1 votes:

Fartbama: The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.


This is true. The private sector is more efficient at doing that right here in our own country.
2012-10-30 09:01:09 PM  
1 votes:

Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"


Much better to keep old people on life support and slowly drain all the money you can from them and their heirs, right?
2012-10-30 08:22:16 PM  
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: Haven't been here much for a while.

Nice the see the same libs are still jacking off with each other using keyboards.

/it's just sooo cute


I am guessing you haven't been on for awhile because you've been roundly ignored.

*plonk*
2012-10-30 04:41:42 PM  
1 votes:
I'm just going to keep posting this.

i75.photobucket.com
2012-10-30 04:18:43 PM  
1 votes:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Obama destroying the American Dream? fark that noise.

Barack Obama ***IS*** the American Dream


The problem is that poor minorities are only supposed to dream about it.......they aren't supposed to actually achieve any power.
2012-10-30 04:17:28 PM  
1 votes:

IlGreven: GAT_00: Also, how is it Obama's fault that hiring isn't higher when business profits are at all time highs and are 75% higher than 4 years ago? Clearly the business climate isn't actually bad. You can't have record high profits and say the President is bad for business.

The same party is saying the Presnit will take yer gunz when it's his opponent that's actually signed an assault weapons ban...


Wait, is this the same president that wanted to compromise on debt but was told to bugger off and then our credit rating was downgraded?
2012-10-30 04:09:57 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.


If the guy tries to find a cure for cancer and comes up short... that doesn't mean you vote for cancer.

/rock on
2012-10-30 04:08:35 PM  
1 votes:

snowshovel: Ah yes, Editorializer Steve Huntley, otherwise known as "Krauthammer, but for idiots".


Isn't Krauthammer himself "Krauthammer, but for idiots"?
2012-10-30 04:07:52 PM  
1 votes:
Please stop quoting the dairy product. I beg you.
2012-10-30 04:05:50 PM  
1 votes:
i165.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH'M AGIN it!"
2012-10-30 04:04:17 PM  
1 votes:
During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

I was going to invest this $1000 at 10%, but because I might net $70 per year instead of $80 per year after taxes, I have decided to leave it in my mattress. This is what makes me a smart investor.

Thanks a lot, Fartbama.
2012-10-30 04:04:07 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.


Thread over.
2012-10-30 04:02:01 PM  
1 votes:
Ah yes, Editorializer Steve Huntley, otherwise known as "Krauthammer, but for idiots".
2012-10-30 04:01:13 PM  
1 votes:

Citrate1007: GOP jobs bills vs. GOP penis-goes-where-rape-wand bills


What is "Column B is larger", Alex.
2012-10-30 03:58:20 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: PreMortem: tenpoundsofcheese: Beerguy: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president

Oh look, you are being dishonest again:

why don't you have the whole quote? Politifact laughs at your characterization.

"If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

Wow, he wanted 0bama to meet him halfway! History's greatest monster.


Show me one instance where House republicans have moved towards Obama on an agenda bill,

1. The HIRE act.
2. Approving the 0bama tax cuts (formerly known as the Bush Tax Cuts)


The HIRE act was negotiated back and forth between the House and Senate for a year before the Republicans finally agreed to pass it in March 2010 after they took over the House. It's a pretty modest and centrist plan and should hardly be a source of controversy. The fact that this is the sole compromise you can come up with is pretty telling.

The Obama tax cuts? The Republicans only agreed to vote yes because the Democrats caved to their position since they didn't have 60 votes to end the tax incentives for those making more than 250K while preserving the lesser tax cuts.
2012-10-30 03:58:18 PM  
1 votes:
GOP jobs bills vs. GOP penis-goes-where-rape-wand bills
2012-10-30 03:56:09 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: 2. Approving the 0bama tax cuts (formerly known as the Bush Tax Cuts)


So passing something that the Republicans always wanted 100% to you is "compromise"?
2012-10-30 03:16:05 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Il Douchey: PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894&feature=related

don't use facts, it just gets them mad.

remember "fairness" is more important than a healthy and growing economy.



Conservative Ben Stein laughs at your "raising taxes lowers revenue" Lie.
2012-10-30 02:57:23 PM  
1 votes:

Il Douchey: During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington. Looks like that was one campaign promise where the president couldn't be trusted to deliver.


Yes, that was one promise he failed to keep. There are others as well...

Close Gitmo
Cut the deficit in half
Earmark reform
Keep unemployment below 7%
Pass cap and trade
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform
Post all pending legislation online for five days
No Super pac money
Sign the Freedom of Choice Act
End Bush tax cuts
No jobs for lobbyists
Televise healthcare debates on C-Span
Ease racial tensions in America 

/He could have accomplished most of these promises without any GOP assistance


Well since most of these cannot be done by executive decree, um... you're wrong. You HAVE to have Congress to get the work done. Both halves. And what the fark is ease racial tensions in america? When did he say he would do that? how the hell do you measure something like that?

You're nothing but a useless troll. Why don't you add something to the conversation instead of attention whoring yourself all over the place...

\dammit now i am pissed
\\someone is wrong on the internet
2012-10-30 02:16:37 PM  
1 votes:
During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington. Looks like that was one campaign promise where the president couldn't be trusted to deliver.

Limbaugh has been hammering this point home for a couple weeks now. its downright weird.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-30 02:04:41 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sky blue, water wet?


Yes. He hasn't been as tough the GOP as they deserve. A president should be more willing to confront the nations enemies.
2012-10-30 01:08:37 PM  
1 votes:

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.



Obama proposed tax breaks for companies that bring back jobs they have shipped overseas. Republicans said NO.

Senate Dems proposed a Veterans Job Bill, Republicans said NO 

Gov't can encourage private sector job growth. It appears however that republicans do not want any job creation on Obama's watch. It also appears that republicans don't mind screwing the country if they can get a super-majority. (for anti-abortion laws I'm guessing)
2012-10-30 12:41:19 PM  
1 votes:

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.


Yet cutting military spending is somehow bad because it costs jobs.
2012-10-30 12:14:49 PM  
1 votes:
Republican "obstructionism"?

More like: REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM
2012-10-30 12:00:12 PM  
1 votes:
I have been repeatedly informed by multiple sources that the government can't create jobs.

Wait, is that not what we believe this week?
2012-10-30 11:26:12 AM  
1 votes:
He sure took on Republican obstructionism when he copied Republican ideas for "Obamacare"
2012-10-30 11:10:22 AM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sky blue, water wet?


... and the GOP still lying.
2012-10-30 10:52:25 AM  
1 votes:
Sky blue, water wet?
 
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