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(Chicago Sun-Times)   President Obama has eroded the American dream, he was willing to take on Republican "obstructionism" in the name of a long-cherished liberal goal of overhauling the health-care industry but not to combat the unemployment crisis   (suntimes.com) divider line 166
    More: Fail, President Obama, American Dream, GOP, obstructionism, unemployment crisis, Olympia Snowe, health cares, John McCain  
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2012-10-30 10:45:21 PM

coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.

So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.

Sure I can, I just chose not to waste more than a sentence on you.

Yeah, that rebuttal would totally fly if I'd tried to get away with it. Double standards are okay, I guess.

1) Go to Politifact.

2) Research Sarah Palin's assertion that Obamacare has Death Panels.

3) Weep in your derp.


I didn't say a thing about "death panels."
 
2012-10-30 10:47:02 PM

Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.

So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.

Sure I can, I just chose not to waste more than a sentence on you.

Yeah, that rebuttal would totally fly if I'd tried to get away with it. Double standards are okay, I guess.

1) Go to Politifact.

2) Research Sarah Palin's assertion that Obamacare has Death Panels.

3) Weep in your derp.

I didn't say a thing about "death panels."


When I talk about having a dinner with steak, baked potatoes, and succotash, I didn't say anything about "lima beans and corn" either.
 
2012-10-30 10:55:13 PM

Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.

So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.

Sure I can, I just chose not to waste more than a sentence on you.

Yeah, that rebuttal would totally fly if I'd tried to get away with it. Double standards are okay, I guess.

1) Go to Politifact.

2) Research Sarah Palin's assertion that Obamacare has Death Panels.

3) Weep in your derp.

I didn't say a thing about "death panels."


Seeing as you made that up whole cloth out of your fevered imagination (as I looked through Google for any of the words you wrote and saw NOTHING matching it), I"d say he did the smart thing by not bothering to refute your bullshiat 'argument'.
 
2012-10-30 11:38:58 PM

AurizenDarkstar:
Seeing as you made that up whole cloth out of your fevered imagination (as I looked through Google for any of the words you wrote and saw NOTHING matching it), I"d say he did the smart thing by not bothering to refute your bullshiat 'argument'.


Here you go.

You didn't look very hard, but at at least you're engaging on real terms instead of throwing up strawmen.
 
2012-10-30 11:42:50 PM
OK, I'll bite... Obama took on the Republican obstructionism to overhaul healthcare, but didn't beat obstructionism with his jobs package. Why in the fark are Republicans neither negotiating nor conceding, but obstructing everything in the first place? The reality is there are two parties,... one of Democrats looking to build a better nation, and one of petulant second graders elected in the name of lowering our historically low taxes even more while biatching about the deficit.
 
2012-10-30 11:42:50 PM

Fartbama: AurizenDarkstar:
Seeing as you made that up whole cloth out of your fevered imagination (as I looked through Google for any of the words you wrote and saw NOTHING matching it), I"d say he did the smart thing by not bothering to refute your bullshiat 'argument'.

Here you go.

You didn't look very hard, but at at least you're engaging on real terms instead of throwing up strawmen.


I never said anything about the UK. It may or may not be true. I don't care.

In the context of the US, it isn't true. We don't have government run healthcare. So what is your f*cking point?
 
2012-10-31 12:29:38 AM
Shouldn't this be the Republicans' fault since they're the fark-ups holding everything else back?
 
2012-10-31 12:38:03 AM

coeyagi: Fartbama: AurizenDarkstar:
Seeing as you made that up whole cloth out of your fevered imagination (as I looked through Google for any of the words you wrote and saw NOTHING matching it), I"d say he did the smart thing by not bothering to refute your bullshiat 'argument'.

Here you go.

You didn't look very hard, but at at least you're engaging on real terms instead of throwing up strawmen.

I never said anything about the UK. It may or may not be true. I don't care.

In the context of the US, it isn't true. We don't have government run healthcare. So what is your f*cking point?


Point being we should have government run healthcare. Let the goddamn medical insurance companies die. I don't see the problem with us saying 'Hey, you are farkin ancient and spending 100's of thousands of dollars to prolong your live 5 weeks makes no goddamn sense. Here is a prescription for some strong morphine/weed/cocaine/ or whatever the fark is you pleasure to ease your passage to the after life.

There I said it, and we all know it's true. 70 year old grandpa doesn't need a new heart.
 
2012-10-31 01:17:16 AM

MrSplifferton: [i1128.photobucket.com image 480x284]


Union Thugs are evil. Didn't you get the memo?
 
2012-10-31 01:30:37 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: MrSplifferton: [i1128.photobucket.com image 480x284]

Union Thugs are evil. Didn't you get the memo?


Is that what they are saying today, I can't keep track anymore, I'm getting dizzy not sure if it's rum or filp flops
 
2012-10-31 03:24:21 AM

coeyagi: Fartbama: AurizenDarkstar:
Seeing as you made that up whole cloth out of your fevered imagination (as I looked through Google for any of the words you wrote and saw NOTHING matching it), I"d say he did the smart thing by not bothering to refute your bullshiat 'argument'.

Here you go.

You didn't look very hard, but at at least you're engaging on real terms instead of throwing up strawmen.

I never said anything about the UK. It may or may not be true. I don't care.

In the context of the US, it isn't true. We don't have government run healthcare. So what is your f*cking point?


Interesting. You just got your ass kicked in a straight up, civil debate, right until the point where you go complete retarded spazoid and ask your respectful opponent what's his f*cking point. Given your proclivity to "plonk" people at the slightest uncouthness, you seem to be in quite a dilemma: How does one plonk oneself?------good luck with that. BTW, we will judge your level of fail.
 
2012-10-31 03:40:17 AM

MrSplifferton: Point being we should have government run healthcare. Let the goddamn medical insurance companies die.


Insurance companies are the last entities that want to see healthcare costs run up (let's think....hhmmmm...how does the concept of insurance work, anyway?). Anyway. you seem to have a problem with doctors and how they practice medicine, along with having a discrimination problem against the elderly. To be halfway friendly, I understand the quality of life issue that you brought up. I personally don't intend to allow any modest wealth, that I might accrue, to leave my asset accounts.in chunks of ten thousand or more to extended ICU care and inflated medical costs. I also don't want to burden other taxpayer/citizens with keeping my carcass alive in a zombie state once my health comes to a point of unacceptable (to me) state of failure.Don't think that Federal government run health care is the problem, though. More like government regulated healthcare by the States (pretty much like it is, but with more true and honest peer evaluation).
 
2012-10-31 03:48:13 AM

firefly212: OK, I'll bite... Obama took on the Republican obstructionism to overhaul healthcare, but didn't beat obstructionism with his jobs package. Why in the fark are Republicans neither negotiating nor conceding, but obstructing everything in the first place? The reality is there are two parties,... one of Democrats looking to build a better nation, and one of petulant second graders elected in the name of lowering our historically low taxes even more while biatching about the deficit.


The reality is that there are three branches of government. Boehner (R) heads the House side of the Legislative. Obama heads the Executive. the bottlenecks are between the Repubs and Obama. Boehner worked honestly, at length, and with good will to come to a negotiated bill with Obama on an economic package that could help the U.S.. Obama kept asking for more and more, bluffed Boehner right at let's make a deal time, and Boehner called his bluff. Pretty much end of story. No bill, Obama as much to blame as "Republican obstructionism." Mitt Romney, new President Book it. Done..
 
2012-10-31 11:51:25 AM

Pro Zack: In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register, Obama was asked if he regretted his push to enact health-care overhaul legislation when he had huge Democratic majorities in Congress instead of emphasizing measures to fix the economy. "Absolutely not," responded the president. 

Because starving to death is OK, if you have health care.


The majority of people starving to death in this country are the direct result of not being able to afford health care.
 
2012-10-31 11:55:44 AM

Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.


Yes, we can.

We can learn not to put the government in the hands of people who think government is evil. Which, as I often say, is the definition of a Republican. (Or, in Britain's case, the Tories.)
 
2012-10-31 06:13:12 PM

lantawa: firefly212: OK, I'll bite... Obama took on the Republican obstructionism to overhaul healthcare, but didn't beat obstructionism with his jobs package. Why in the fark are Republicans neither negotiating nor conceding, but obstructing everything in the first place? The reality is there are two parties,... one of Democrats looking to build a better nation, and one of petulant second graders elected in the name of lowering our historically low taxes even more while biatching about the deficit.

The reality is that there are three branches of government. Boehner (R) heads the House side of the Legislative. Obama heads the Executive. the bottlenecks are between the Repubs and Obama. Boehner worked honestly, at length, and with good will to come to a negotiated bill with Obama on an economic package that could help the U.S.. Obama kept asking for more and more, bluffed Boehner right at let's make a deal time, and Boehner called his bluff. Pretty much end of story. No bill, Obama as much to blame as "Republican obstructionism." Mitt Romney, new President Book it. Done..


Yeah, the man who gave the right 98% of what they wanted while the right kept screaming about not getting what they want was the one asking for more and more. I also didn't see anyone whining about Romneycare when it was installed in Massachusetts.
 
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