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(Chicago Sun-Times)   President Obama has eroded the American dream, he was willing to take on Republican "obstructionism" in the name of a long-cherished liberal goal of overhauling the health-care industry but not to combat the unemployment crisis   (suntimes.com) divider line 166
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2012-10-30 04:43:43 PM
Our children are going to look back and ask us why we tolerated this from our parents.
 
2012-10-30 04:45:55 PM
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dafug? gmail? The Chicago Sun Times doesn't have its own email domain?

Or should this piece have been under 'opinion'?
 
2012-10-30 04:45:57 PM

hdhale: The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.


So the private sector doesn't use hydroelectric power produced by government-funded dams, doesn't use government-funded highways?

Stick to welfare queen baiting, at least there you have a scrap of a "moral hazard" argument to make.
 
2012-10-30 04:46:14 PM

Pro Zack: In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register, Obama was asked if he regretted his push to enact health-care overhaul legislation when he had huge Democratic majorities in Congress instead of emphasizing measures to fix the economy. "Absolutely not," responded the president. 

Because starving to death is OK, if you have health care.


How many poor americans have starved to death in the last 4 years in the US? How many died of treatable conditions due to lack of affordable health insurance?
 
2012-10-30 04:48:32 PM
Blame Ted Kennedy. That farker had no business dying.

Also, blame a Republican congressman.
 
2012-10-30 04:49:20 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Pro Zack: In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register, Obama was asked if he regretted his push to enact health-care overhaul legislation when he had huge Democratic majorities in Congress instead of emphasizing measures to fix the economy. "Absolutely not," responded the president. 

Because starving to death is OK, if you have health care.

How many poor americans have starved to death in the last 4 years in the US? How many died of treatable conditions due to lack of affordable health insurance?


How many of those couldn't afford health insurance because the economy was ignored until election time?
 
2012-10-30 04:54:38 PM
So wait...blame Obama because he didn't force the right issue down the obstructionists throats? Wh...huh???
 
2012-10-30 04:55:18 PM
So newspaper endorsements count again?
 
2012-10-30 04:56:26 PM

Il Douchey: PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894&feature=related


You mean to tell me that people dumped tons of long-term holdings when the tax rates went down? Holy shiat!

/dumbass
 
2012-10-30 04:56:36 PM

Pro Zack: How many of those couldn't afford health insurance because the economy was ignored until election time?


Cost as an issue? Some of those people would have gladly paid a premium. They just were denied coverage.
 
2012-10-30 05:01:02 PM

Mithiwithi: government-funded


The government doesnt make money, they collect taxes. These items were paid for by taxes from the private sector. Are you saying that the private sector should not be able to use the items they paid for?
 
2012-10-30 05:01:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Don't blame 0bama.
He fought for the only thing he knew how to do, tell companies to do things differently, and tax people who don't buy insurance.

He never had a clue about how to fix the economy.

We had two Summers of Recoveries.
Shovel ready jobs that did nothing.
Cash for clunkers which did nothing
Investments in green jobs which did nothing but lose money.
We had Biden saying we are getting 500k jobs a month last year.


YES! That's why we're doing so much worse than we were 4 years ago. Because nothing.
 
2012-10-30 05:01:31 PM

TheBigJerk: I'm just going to keep posting this.

[i75.photobucket.com image 505x331]



People have been saying that for years. Decades even!
Only the truly dense don't get it. And no matter how much you tell something to a stupid person, they continue on being stupid.
 
2012-10-30 05:01:58 PM

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.


And tell me, o sage, how exactly we are to create this private sector demand for private sector products and services when we have depressed wages, little credit, high unemployment, and are barely staving off a recession? Perhaps we can give more money to wealthy people, who will in turn put it in safe, long-term low risk investments?

No wait, that doesn't lead to growth.

Maybe we can give it back to the middle and lower classes in the form of tax rebates that they can then use to... well, shiat! Demand is down. If we do that, the middle and lower classes will just use it to pay off outstanding debts and shore up their assets.

Ultimately, all money comes from the same place: us, either through taxes or by buying and selling goods. Whether the government takes it in tax and uses it to interject money into a flagging economy, thereby jump-starting earnings and demand, or I use it to pay a private company that meets existing demand and that company recirculates what I buy in order to create more jobs is relevant ONLY IF EXISTING DEMAND OUTSTRIPS SUPPLY.

And it farking well doesn't right now. So what do we do? Get more demand for things. How do we do that? Policies that increase the spending power of the middle and lower class, with assurances that their purchases won't devalue? Sounds like socialism to me.
 
2012-10-30 05:03:19 PM

Pro Zack: All2morrowsparTs: Pro Zack: In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register, Obama was asked if he regretted his push to enact health-care overhaul legislation when he had huge Democratic majorities in Congress instead of emphasizing measures to fix the economy. "Absolutely not," responded the president. 

Because starving to death is OK, if you have health care.

How many poor americans have starved to death in the last 4 years in the US? How many died of treatable conditions due to lack of affordable health insurance?

How many of those couldn't afford health insurance because the economy was ignored until election time?


Because health care coverage has never been an issue before 2008.
 
2012-10-30 05:07:00 PM

joonyer: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't blame 0bama.
He fought for the only thing he knew how to do, tell companies to do things differently, and tax people who don't buy insurance.

He never had a clue about how to fix the economy.

We had two Summers of Recoveries.
Shovel ready jobs that did nothing.
Cash for clunkers which did nothing
Investments in green jobs which did nothing but lose money.
We had Biden saying we are getting 500k jobs a month last year.

YES! That's why we're doing so much worse than we were 4 years ago. Because nothing.


Did you know the price of gas has DOUBLED since Obama took office!
 
2012-10-30 05:07:40 PM

Lane83: Maybe we can give it back to the middle and lower classes in the form of tax rebates that they can then use to... well, shiat! Demand is down. If we do that, the middle and lower classes will just use it to pay off outstanding debts and shore up their assets.


Depends on how you do it. GWB's rebate checks were great politics but less effective at stimulating demand for the very reasons you cite -- they paid off debts or saved the money. Obama's payroll tax cut was not great politics but was more effective at stimulating demand because the money went back to consumers in small amounts in each paycheck, so they were more likely to spend it.
 
2012-10-30 05:08:26 PM
During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

See what he did there? Sneak in the fact that Obama was told a THEORY (a wrong one, at that), and treat it like he defied a stone cold fact.

In other news, Romney is still running for President, EVEN when told that he's a douchebag and is horrible for the job. Why is Romney ignoring this fact?
 
2012-10-30 05:19:57 PM
It's these HILARIOUS HEADLINES that keep me coming back to Fark.


//sarcasm
 
2012-10-30 05:20:18 PM

theknuckler_33: joonyer: tenpoundsofcheese: Don't blame 0bama.
He fought for the only thing he knew how to do, tell companies to do things differently, and tax people who don't buy insurance.

He never had a clue about how to fix the economy.

We had two Summers of Recoveries.
Shovel ready jobs that did nothing.
Cash for clunkers which did nothing
Investments in green jobs which did nothing but lose money.
We had Biden saying we are getting 500k jobs a month last year.

YES! That's why we're doing so much worse than we were 4 years ago. Because nothing.

Did you know the price of gas has DOUBLED since Obama took office!


It was $2.99/gallon at the station I use here in St. Louis. I was $3.49/gallon last week. I'm sure the drop was all the hard work by the republicans in congress. Damn you FartBama!
 
2012-10-30 05:27:28 PM
Of course, if he had been open to working across the aisle, to accepting conservative fiscal ideas, the president could have picked off some moderate Republican senators

i get so damned mad when i see/hear this. it's patently bullshiat. and the writer/speaker most often knows it.

sorry if 100 of the 120 comments said the same thing, i had to vent.
 
2012-10-30 05:27:37 PM

Epoch_Zero: theknuckler_33: Did you know the price of gas has DOUBLED since Obama took office!

It was $2.99/gallon at the station I use here in St. Louis. I was $3.49/gallon last week. I'm sure the drop was all the hard work by the republicans in congress. Damn you FartBama!


You know, the price of gas has really been grinding my gears lately, but not for the reason you might think. I've been living where I am now for 12 years and for the longest time the gas prices in my area were the cheapest around. From a comparison perspective, they were always at least .10 less than near where I work, nearly identical to gas near my in-laws in northern Maryland (eastern shore). Over the past year however, the gas in my area has become the most expensive in the region. It is now at BEST, the same as near my work and just this past Friday when I visited my in-laws for a special occasion, the price of gas down there was .24 less per gallon than the stations near where I live. Gas was $3.73 on Friday (it dropped to $3.69 on Sunday afternoon). It was $3.49 at several stations in Md. I can go just 5 miles east of where I live and hit a station whose gas is .13 less than all the ones in my immediate vicinity (
Pisses me off.

/small>damn you, fartbongo!
 
2012-10-30 05:32:14 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: snowshovel: Ah yes, Editorializer Steve Huntley, otherwise known as "Krauthammer, but for idiots".

Isn't Krauthammer himself "Krauthammer, but for idiots"?


Well, at least Krauthammer has skin in the game (unlike Nate Silver), given the injuries Charlie Tango sustained in the Mossad botched raid to assassinate the prince of Jordan. Huntley really doesn't have much reason.
 
2012-10-30 05:36:25 PM

snowshovel: Lee Jackson Beauregard: snowshovel: Ah yes, Editorializer Steve Huntley, otherwise known as "Krauthammer, but for idiots".

Isn't Krauthammer himself "Krauthammer, but for idiots"?

Well, at least Krauthammer has skin in the game (unlike Nate Silver), given the injuries Charlie Tango sustained in the Mossad botched raid to assassinate the prince of Jordan. Huntley really doesn't have much reason.


Did you channel Dennis Miller there for a second?
 
2012-10-30 05:37:15 PM

Il Douchey: PreMortem: Conservative Ben Stein laughs at your "raising taxes lowers revenue" Lie.

You have it exactly backwards. The argument that Obama was disputing in the video is that lowering taxes raises revenue. This has basis in historical fact, as both Clinton and W increased revenues when they lowered the cap gains tax rate


???????

Lowering taxes has never raised revenues, ever. That is a historical undisputed fact.
 
2012-10-30 05:40:05 PM
We get it Chicago ST, HE'S BLACK.
 
2012-10-30 05:41:11 PM

snowshovel: Well, at least Krauthammer has skin in the game (unlike Nate Silver)


What does this mean, exactly? What 'skin' does Krauthammer have in the game?

Did I miss something?
 
2012-10-30 05:57:03 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-30 06:01:07 PM

theknuckler_33: snowshovel: Well, at least Krauthammer has skin in the game (unlike Nate Silver)

What does this mean, exactly? What 'skin' does Krauthammer have in the game?

Did I miss something?


If it wasn't for that sniper's misplaced shot at the Prince's compound, Big Charlie wouldn't need to be the editorializer that he is today. But things happen. Especially when the Mossad is known for planning most of their raids during new moons.
 
2012-10-30 06:04:23 PM
From the article:

In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register, Obama was asked if he regretted his push to enact health-care overhaul legislation when he had huge Democratic majorities in Congress instead of emphasizing measures to fix the economy. "Absolutely not," responded the president.

That must have come as a slap in the face to the 23 million Americans out of work, trapped in part-time jobs or given up looking for work; to the 50 percent of college grads who can't find jobs or labor at doing something below their hard-earned college credentials, and to the 5.5 million unemployed women and the 27.5 million women in poverty, increases of, respectively, 500,000 and 3.6 million over the levels when Obama took office.




WELL FARKIN' DUH!

Wonder why the Des Moines Register reversed their 2008 position and now endorse Mitt Romney. I actually know: it's because they're backing a winner. Mitt Romney. Book it. Done.

But the Body Odor fanboys here will say it's because da Register are stoopid and dum.an' doan't know nuttin'! OH! That's right. They endorsed BO in 2008. OOooo....BURN!..........OHHHH...SNAP!
 
2012-10-30 06:05:14 PM

SineSwiper: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 768x613]


I like troll nuke. FWIW
 
2012-10-30 06:31:08 PM

Proximuscentauri: This is definitely off-topic, but I don't know how else the public will see this.


Have you thought about recording this information into a small R2 unit and sneaking it out in an escape pod during a pitched space battle to a desert planet?
 
2012-10-30 06:50:13 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Il Douchey: PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894&feature=related

don't use facts, it just gets them mad.

remember "fairness" is more important than a healthy and growing economy.


That's really rich coming from the side who did everything they can to NOT be fair and helpful in this economic crisis. Maybe if the right had, you know, worked with the left instead of filibustering and whining for 3.5 years, we'd have fully recovered by last year.
 
2012-10-30 07:02:12 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: bdub77: tenpoundsofcheese: Sure, first tell me what an "agenda bill" is.

Something that doesn't involve naming a post office or honoring the Boy Scouts for 60 years of raping children.

you do know that 0bama is the honorary President of the Boy Scouts and has praised them. what does that tell you?


ZOMG, he sent them a letter congratulating them on their 100th anniversary, what an outrate. And he's also criticized them for discriminating against gays.

As for being the honorary President, that's been every US President since 1912. I'm sure if he refused it you'd be the first in line to denounce him for hating children, spitting on tradition, etc.
 
2012-10-30 07:48:55 PM

Fail in Human Form: Our children are going to look back and ask us why we tolerated this from our parents.


And like our parents, we'll likely tell them "Because STFU, that's why." And for a while, it'll work.

After all, it's become an American tradition.
 
2012-10-30 08:01:12 PM
Haven't been here much for a while.

Nice the see the same libs are still jacking off with each other using keyboards.

/it's just sooo cute
 
2012-10-30 08:22:16 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Haven't been here much for a while.

Nice the see the same libs are still jacking off with each other using keyboards.

/it's just sooo cute


I am guessing you haven't been on for awhile because you've been roundly ignored.

*plonk*
 
2012-10-30 08:43:00 PM
i1128.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-30 08:51:46 PM
Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"
 
2012-10-30 09:01:09 PM

Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"


Much better to keep old people on life support and slowly drain all the money you can from them and their heirs, right?
 
2012-10-30 09:04:58 PM

Fartbama: The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.


This is true. The private sector is more efficient at doing that right here in our own country.
 
2012-10-30 09:09:07 PM

Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"


Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.
 
2012-10-30 09:12:53 PM
Democrats are terrible at stopping Republican's evil.

So vote Republican.
 
2012-10-30 09:14:34 PM

Garble: Democrats are terrible at stopping Republican's evil.

So vote Republican.


Essentially this.

Republicans are drunk drivers with a 5-series BMW, but the Dems are the DDs who can't drive stick.
 
2012-10-30 09:19:32 PM

Il Douchey: During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington.


God begins to cry.

Ease racial tensions in America

God begins to bang his head on his keyboard.
 
2012-10-30 09:43:16 PM
Look, even though I agree with the basic premise (that Obama spent more of his political capital in one place than was perhaps wise), he had to choose something to cash in his favors on and I can't fault him all that much for choosing Health care, given how it lies at the intersection of basic human welfare, industry control, and mitigating the dangers of screwy income distribution.

Even if he hadn't picked healthcare, my alternative choice would have been to turn closing Guantanamo into a real fight instead of backing down at the first sign of resistance. Not "unemployment". How the bloody hell is a president, or a congress for that matter, supposed to get a single bill/package together to address unemployment, short of outright nationalization of major industries?
 
2012-10-30 10:27:49 PM

coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.


So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.
 
2012-10-30 10:30:44 PM

Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.

So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.


Sure I can, I just chose not to waste more than a sentence on you.
 
2012-10-30 10:33:07 PM

coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.

So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.

Sure I can, I just chose not to waste more than a sentence on you.


Yeah, that rebuttal would totally fly if I'd tried to get away with it. Double standards are okay, I guess.
 
2012-10-30 10:34:42 PM

Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: coeyagi: Fartbama: Government health care???

Doctors in the UK have been asked to designate 1% of their patients as likely to die in the next year. The plan is to usher those patients into end of life treatment, a move that the government estimates will save over a billion pounds a year.

Norman Lamb, the minister of state for care services has advised doctors to look for "indicators of fraility and deterioration" ande that "older people are a priority to consider" because "70-80% of all deaths are likely to benefit from planned end of life care"

The governement will help you die, make it comfortable, and save money to boot.

Maybe we can't stop the UK, but maybe we can learn from them.

Like Reagan said (his most dangerous nine words)... "We're from the government, and we're here to help"

Sarah Palin called, she wants her talking points back.

So... You can't refute what I said. Thanks for backing me up.

Sure I can, I just chose not to waste more than a sentence on you.

Yeah, that rebuttal would totally fly if I'd tried to get away with it. Double standards are okay, I guess.


1) Go to Politifact.

2) Research Sarah Palin's assertion that Obamacare has Death Panels.

3) Weep in your derp.
 
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