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(Chicago Sun-Times)   President Obama has eroded the American dream, he was willing to take on Republican "obstructionism" in the name of a long-cherished liberal goal of overhauling the health-care industry but not to combat the unemployment crisis   (suntimes.com) divider line 166
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2012-10-30 03:24:59 PM
PreMortem: Conservative Ben Stein laughs at your "raising taxes lowers revenue" Lie.

You have it exactly backwards. The argument that Obama was disputing in the video is that lowering taxes raises revenue. This has basis in historical fact, as both Clinton and W increased revenues when they lowered the cap gains tax rate
 
2012-10-30 03:42:19 PM

Il Douchey: PreMortem: Conservative Ben Stein laughs at your "raising taxes lowers revenue" Lie.

You have it exactly backwards. The argument that Obama was disputing in the video is that lowering taxes raises revenue. This has basis in historical fact, as both Clinton and W increased revenues when they lowered the cap gains tax rate


Income didn't rise back to pre-Bush tax cut levels until 2007, and that wasn't controlling for inflation. If you control for inflation, the year of highest revenue was 2001.

Tax cuts do not create revenue.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:13 PM

Il Douchey: PreMortem: Conservative Ben Stein laughs at your "raising taxes lowers revenue" Lie.

You have it exactly backwards. The argument that Obama was disputing in the video is that lowering taxes raises revenue. This has basis in historical fact, as both Clinton and W increased revenues when they lowered the cap gains tax rate


Your VP candidate and economic dork disagrees:

"I wouldn't say that correlation is causation," Mr. Ryan replied. "I would say Clinton had the tech-productivity boom, which was enormous. Trade barriers were going down in the Clinton years. He had the peace dividend he was enjoying."

Important part emboldened for you. 

As for Ws revenues, it's now evident that tax revenues would have been even higher without his tax cuts.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: bdub77: tenpoundsofcheese: Sure, first tell me what an "agenda bill" is.

Something that doesn't involve naming a post office or honoring the Boy Scouts for 60 years of raping children.

you do know that 0bama is the honorary President of the Boy Scouts and has praised them. what does that tell you?


Nothing. You veered off the original question. Here let me put it in bold: "Show me one instance where House republicans have moved towards Obama on an agenda bill"
 
2012-10-30 03:56:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: 2. Approving the 0bama tax cuts (formerly known as the Bush Tax Cuts)


So passing something that the Republicans always wanted 100% to you is "compromise"?
 
2012-10-30 03:57:05 PM
I come to FARK for snarky headlines. Not derpy op-eds quoted verbatum.
 
2012-10-30 03:58:18 PM
GOP jobs bills vs. GOP penis-goes-where-rape-wand bills
 
2012-10-30 03:58:20 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: PreMortem: tenpoundsofcheese: Beerguy: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president

Oh look, you are being dishonest again:

why don't you have the whole quote? Politifact laughs at your characterization.

"If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

Wow, he wanted 0bama to meet him halfway! History's greatest monster.


Show me one instance where House republicans have moved towards Obama on an agenda bill,

1. The HIRE act.
2. Approving the 0bama tax cuts (formerly known as the Bush Tax Cuts)


The HIRE act was negotiated back and forth between the House and Senate for a year before the Republicans finally agreed to pass it in March 2010 after they took over the House. It's a pretty modest and centrist plan and should hardly be a source of controversy. The fact that this is the sole compromise you can come up with is pretty telling.

The Obama tax cuts? The Republicans only agreed to vote yes because the Democrats caved to their position since they didn't have 60 votes to end the tax incentives for those making more than 250K while preserving the lesser tax cuts.
 
2012-10-30 03:58:51 PM
All the proof you libtards need to see is all the jobs bills that were passed right after the 2010 republican victories in the house.
 
2012-10-30 03:59:53 PM
Modmins just sucking off all the red state sites. Taking it deep for those precious clicks. Gotta greenlight absolute trash!
 
2012-10-30 04:00:21 PM
i935.photobucket.com

F*ck you, subs.
 
2012-10-30 04:01:13 PM

Citrate1007: GOP jobs bills vs. GOP penis-goes-where-rape-wand bills


What is "Column B is larger", Alex.
 
2012-10-30 04:02:01 PM
Ah yes, Editorializer Steve Huntley, otherwise known as "Krauthammer, but for idiots".
 
2012-10-30 04:03:42 PM

RedPhoenix122: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The president can't create jobs, but it's his fault that the jobs aren't created.

Nope, still doesn't sound convincing even if I say it myself.


Well, the presence of a black man can make lots of white people put a hand on their wallets which results in them not opening them and spending. Hence lowered consumption, and consumption creates jobs which fill the demand.
 
2012-10-30 04:04:07 PM

Diogenes: Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.


Thread over.
 
2012-10-30 04:04:17 PM
During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

I was going to invest this $1000 at 10%, but because I might net $70 per year instead of $80 per year after taxes, I have decided to leave it in my mattress. This is what makes me a smart investor.

Thanks a lot, Fartbama.
 
2012-10-30 04:05:21 PM
Ugh...

Yeah the Republicans have been hard at work creating jobs since they took Obama's slightly blue congress away from him. Jobs in the high growth sectors of black market abortionists and rape counselors of course. But a job's a job eh?
 
2012-10-30 04:05:50 PM
i165.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH'M AGIN it!"
 
2012-10-30 04:06:48 PM
How do we know "the unemployment crisis" wasnt fabricated to end the "long cherished Liberal goal of overhauling the health care industry"?
 
2012-10-30 04:07:22 PM

birchman: Diogenes: Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.

Thread over.


Quit hitting yourself.
 
2012-10-30 04:07:52 PM
Please stop quoting the dairy product. I beg you.
 
2012-10-30 04:08:24 PM

Rapmaster2000: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

I was going to invest this $1000 at 10%, but because I might net $70 per year instead of $80 per year after taxes, I have decided to leave it in my mattress. This is what makes me a smart investor.

Thanks a lot, Fartbama.


Yeah, but if the stock market was tanking then they wouldn't get any return on their... (checks stock market since 1/20/09).... yeah, what a load of bullshiat.

Seriously, between the "uncertainty" argument and this crap, it's amazing the delis throughout Brooklyn haven't revolted and said "Just everyone STFU, WE GOT THIS!"
 
2012-10-30 04:08:35 PM

snowshovel: Ah yes, Editorializer Steve Huntley, otherwise known as "Krauthammer, but for idiots".


Isn't Krauthammer himself "Krauthammer, but for idiots"?
 
2012-10-30 04:08:50 PM
Partisan dickbag remains partisan...film at 11.
 
2012-10-30 04:09:16 PM

Epoch_Zero: Modmins just sucking off all the red state sites. Taking it deep for those precious clicks. Gotta greenlight absolute trash!


Got you to post, didn't it?

Ca-ching, ca-ching!

Dolla' dolla' bills ya'll
 
2012-10-30 04:09:57 PM

Diogenes: Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.


If the guy tries to find a cure for cancer and comes up short... that doesn't mean you vote for cancer.

/rock on
 
2012-10-30 04:11:01 PM

Lando Lincoln: Maybe voters need to step up against Republican obstructionism as well and not vote Republican anymore until they start acting like sensible people.


But...but only Republicans have the Divine Right of Kings Elected Officials to rule over us meek sheep.
 
2012-10-30 04:11:10 PM

PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.


Even got one of the more educated right wingers that I work with to admit this was a bullshiat claim.

Capital gains and business investment have near zero to do with each other. 99.99999 percent of the time when you're buying stock, you're not investing in a company. They're not seeing a dime of you're money. You're buying a stock from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from someone who bought it from the company. THAT person is the one who invested in the company; everyone else is just hoping to get lucky.
 
2012-10-30 04:13:46 PM
Obama destroying the American Dream? fark that noise.

Barack Obama ***IS*** the American Dream
 
2012-10-30 04:13:55 PM

GAT_00: Also, how is it Obama's fault that hiring isn't higher when business profits are at all time highs and are 75% higher than 4 years ago? Clearly the business climate isn't actually bad. You can't have record high profits and say the President is bad for business.


The same party is saying the Presnit will take yer gunz when it's his opponent that's actually signed an assault weapons ban...
 
2012-10-30 04:16:07 PM

Weaver95: During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington. Looks like that was one campaign promise where the president couldn't be trusted to deliver.

I'm pretty sure that one side of a partisan divide can't fix things without at least a pretense of cooperation from the other.

 
2012-10-30 04:17:28 PM

IlGreven: GAT_00: Also, how is it Obama's fault that hiring isn't higher when business profits are at all time highs and are 75% higher than 4 years ago? Clearly the business climate isn't actually bad. You can't have record high profits and say the President is bad for business.

The same party is saying the Presnit will take yer gunz when it's his opponent that's actually signed an assault weapons ban...


Wait, is this the same president that wanted to compromise on debt but was told to bugger off and then our credit rating was downgraded?
 
2012-10-30 04:18:38 PM
A lot of that follows my thinking about Obama.

I had such high hopes.
 
2012-10-30 04:18:43 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Obama destroying the American Dream? fark that noise.

Barack Obama ***IS*** the American Dream


The problem is that poor minorities are only supposed to dream about it.......they aren't supposed to actually achieve any power.
 
2012-10-30 04:21:03 PM

Cletus C.: A lot of that follows my thinking about Obama.

I had such high hopes.


Doubt it.
 
2012-10-30 04:22:00 PM

PreMortem:
This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.



JFK would like a word.
 
2012-10-30 04:22:57 PM
"That must have come as a slap in the face to the 23 million Americans out of work, trapped in part-time jobs or given up looking for work; to the 50 percent of college grads who can't find jobs or labor at doing something below their hard-earned college credentials..."

Hmmm, saving lives through health care or dealing with a misplaced sense of wage value? Tough call. It took two years of unemployment with a brand spanking new university degree to get a job at half the going rate for my qualifications, and decade more to turn it around. Old timers I knew smiled about those 'hardships' compared to shoveling coal for $2/ton. A degree is an advantage, not an entailment.
 
2012-10-30 04:23:36 PM
...or entitlement...
 
2012-10-30 04:24:51 PM

Vindibudd: JFK would like a word.



Link
 
2012-10-30 04:25:53 PM
Wow, this thread is total Troll Hell right now.
 
2012-10-30 04:27:04 PM
Of course, if he had been open to working across the aisle, to accepting conservative fiscal ideas, ...

Ha! Yeah!? Why didn't Obama accept the conservative ideas of Medicare Part D being unfunded, privatizing SS, starting two expensive wars and deregulating the financial industry even though they only wanted to see him fail at any cost?

Why did he not embrace me so that I might slip this dagger between his ribs?

Fiscal conservatism across the aisle. Hilarious. Maybe he should have asked Paul Ryan for his magic fiscal wand while he was reaching around there, eh, Steve Huntley?
 
2012-10-30 04:27:20 PM
He only gave Boehner 98% of what he wanted. Damn that uncompromising Obama!
 
2012-10-30 04:27:27 PM

Vindibudd: PreMortem:
This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.



JFK would like a word.


Changing the top rate from 91% to 70% probably did raise revenues. However, there's nothing in the link that tells you whether cutting taxes raises revenues. We'd have to look at the revenue changes in the years before to establish a pattern.
 
2012-10-30 04:28:10 PM

tnpir: Wow, this thread nation is total Troll Hell right now.


FTFY
 
2012-10-30 04:31:52 PM

Vindibudd: PreMortem:
This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.



JFK would like a word.


We're talking about capital gains.
 
2012-10-30 04:35:47 PM
Reducing tax rates increases tax revenues the way increasing fried food consumption improves health.
 
2012-10-30 04:37:24 PM
If overhauling the Health-care system was purely a liberal dream then why did Obama and Democrats use Romney's and the Heritage Foundations model for overhauling the heath care system?
 
2012-10-30 04:41:42 PM
I'm just going to keep posting this.

i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-30 04:42:03 PM
Obama's excuse for "absolutely not" was GOP opposition in Congress. Early in his term, Republicans had just 40 votes in the U.S. Senate, not enough to stop legislation with a filibuster unless they had help from Democratic members.

You mean like a senate seat won by a Dem, but contested until July 2009 leaving only 59 votes, but by which time another Dem seat was essentially vacant due to health (and eventually death) and not filled until late September, 2009 (still leaving only 59 votes) which was eventually won by a Republican in January 2010... that 'less than 4 month supermajority' that spanned the holiday season.

Republicans did indeed filibuster. Three GOP senators had to vote in favor of the stimulus to get it passed.
 
2012-10-30 04:42:27 PM
In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register, Obama was asked if he regretted his push to enact health-care overhaul legislation when he had huge Democratic majorities in Congress instead of emphasizing measures to fix the economy. "Absolutely not," responded the president. 

Because starving to death is OK, if you have health care.
 
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