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(Chicago Sun-Times)   President Obama has eroded the American dream, he was willing to take on Republican "obstructionism" in the name of a long-cherished liberal goal of overhauling the health-care industry but not to combat the unemployment crisis   (suntimes.com) divider line 166
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2012-10-30 10:52:25 AM
Sky blue, water wet?
 
2012-10-30 11:10:22 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sky blue, water wet?


... and the GOP still lying.
 
2012-10-30 11:23:46 AM
Of course, if he had been open to working across the aisle, to accepting conservative fiscal ideas, the president could have picked off some moderate Republican senators - for example Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins of Maine, who voted for the $831 billion stimulus package - for further economy-bolstering measures. But no, in discussing the stimulus bill with Sen. John McCain, the 2008 defeated GOP nominee, and other Republicans at the White House in early 2009, Obama made clear his view was all that counted when he said, "I won" the election.

Funny thing, $282B of that are tax cuts for 94.3% of workers and small business. Or is that not a conservative ideal?

During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.


McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


/EABOD & your blog sucks
 
2012-10-30 11:26:12 AM
He sure took on Republican obstructionism when he copied Republican ideas for "Obamacare"
 
2012-10-30 11:34:33 AM

PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.


I told him that Gangnam Style was an elaborate Korean rain dance, but he didn't listen to that either. Who's sitting under a yard of water now, huh?
 
2012-10-30 11:35:07 AM
Funny how we place the blame on the guy who tried to overcome obstructionism instead of the ones creating the obstructions.

GOP: This is what we want. These are our ideas.

Obama: OK. Here. We can do that.

GOP: Obama not cooperating!!!

Fark that noise.
 
2012-10-30 11:37:16 AM
So you're saying government can create jobs?
 
2012-10-30 11:48:53 AM
1) the healthcare passed because dems then controlled the house
2) the jobs bill has not passed because republicans now control the house
 
2012-10-30 11:49:29 AM
whoops. that's healthcare bill.
 
2012-10-30 11:55:26 AM
Maybe voters need to step up against Republican obstructionism as well and not vote Republican anymore until they start acting like sensible people.
 
2012-10-30 11:59:35 AM
Republican strategy for dummies: "We're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this, we're not going to let you fix this... WHY HAVEN'T YOU FIXED THIS YET?!?!"
 
2012-10-30 12:00:12 PM
I have been repeatedly informed by multiple sources that the government can't create jobs.

Wait, is that not what we believe this week?
 
2012-10-30 12:06:01 PM
Stupid Obama, why does he intentionally limit himself to the specific powers delegated to the President by the Constitution. He should just declare himself absolute monarch and change everything by royal decree.
 
2012-10-30 12:11:52 PM
voices.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-10-30 12:14:24 PM

Freudian_slipknot: I have been repeatedly informed by multiple sources that the government can't create jobs.

Wait, is that not what we believe this week?


That's the story Nov. 7th... until then everyone (who is an R) is treating you like you just had a frontal lobotomy.
 
2012-10-30 12:14:49 PM
Republican "obstructionism"?

More like: REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM
 
2012-10-30 12:18:43 PM

FlashHarry: 1) the healthcare passed because dems then controlled the house
2) the jobs bill has not passed because republicans now control the house


Stop pissing on the narrative!
 
2012-10-30 12:28:16 PM

GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?


The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.
 
2012-10-30 12:40:42 PM

GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?


The president can't create jobs, but it's his fault that the jobs aren't created.

Nope, still doesn't sound convincing even if I say it myself.
 
2012-10-30 12:41:10 PM
Wait, I thought that Obama shrunk the government. Aren't there less government workers now?

I don't know what to believe!
 
2012-10-30 12:41:19 PM

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.


Yet cutting military spending is somehow bad because it costs jobs.
 
2012-10-30 12:45:36 PM

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.


And yet, getting Americans to purchase items from Fred's Hardware as opposed to Walmart or Lowe's (cause it's cheaper) and then get pissed off when Fred's hardware closes and lays off your sniveling brother-in-law and now he's living with you. And you can blame it on Obama and his "high taxes", when in fact the fault lies directly in your hands because you didn't patronise the small business.
 
2012-10-30 12:54:28 PM

silo123j: hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.

And yet, getting Americans to purchase items from Fred's Hardware as opposed to Walmart or Lowe's (cause it's cheaper) and then get pissed off when Fred's hardware closes and lays off your sniveling brother-in-law and now he's living with you. And you can blame it on Obama and his "high taxes", when in fact the fault lies directly in your hands because you didn't patronise the small business.


Also, how is it Obama's fault that hiring isn't higher when business profits are at all time highs and are 75% higher than 4 years ago? Clearly the business climate isn't actually bad. You can't have record high profits and say the President is bad for business.
 
2012-10-30 12:55:04 PM
Oh boy, Main Page! This will be a fun thread.



For me to poop on.
 
2012-10-30 12:57:32 PM

silo123j: hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.

And yet, getting Americans to purchase items from Fred's Hardware as opposed to Walmart or Lowe's (cause it's cheaper) and then get pissed off when Fred's hardware closes and lays off your sniveling brother-in-law and now he's living with you. And you can blame it on Obama and his "high taxes", when in fact the fault lies directly in your hands because you didn't patronise the small business.


This. So much this. If CA has any psychological fault to it, it is that the peons here are dumber enough to think that shopping box stores help to create jobs. Because, you know, America needs more cashiers...
 
2012-10-30 01:08:37 PM

hdhale: GAT_00: So you're saying government can create jobs?

The government can create jobs by the millions--it's called a military draft. It can also hire a bunch a bureaucrats for new agencies that are questionable as to whether or not they should actually exist.

The problem is that no matter whether those being employed are military personnel, bureaucrats, or temporary construction workers building a new dam or a highway, the tax payers pay for them, either directly through salaries and benefits or indirectly through contracts to private industry.

What is clear however is that the best jobs, the ones that really make the economy grow, the ones that are the true measure of a nation are not government jobs, nor tax payer funded projects. They are private sectors jobs that create products, services, etc. for the private sector.



Obama proposed tax breaks for companies that bring back jobs they have shipped overseas. Republicans said NO.

Senate Dems proposed a Veterans Job Bill, Republicans said NO 

Gov't can encourage private sector job growth. It appears however that republicans do not want any job creation on Obama's watch. It also appears that republicans don't mind screwing the country if they can get a super-majority. (for anti-abortion laws I'm guessing)
 
2012-10-30 01:11:41 PM
Oh and by the way, giving a click through on a website you like is another way... even if you are shelling out 5 bucks a month.

\now if they would go back to American apparel instead of the local shooting range (wtf?) I would do a click through.
 
2012-10-30 01:30:22 PM
Don't blame 0bama.
He fought for the only thing he knew how to do, tell companies to do things differently, and tax people who don't buy insurance.

He never had a clue about how to fix the economy.

We had two Summers of Recoveries.
Shovel ready jobs that did nothing.
Cash for clunkers which did nothing
Investments in green jobs which did nothing but lose money.
We had Biden saying we are getting 500k jobs a month last year.
 
2012-10-30 01:41:26 PM

PreMortem: Of course, if he had been open to working across the aisle, to accepting conservative fiscal ideas, the president could have picked off some moderate Republican senators - for example Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins of Maine, who voted for the $831 billion stimulus package - for further economy-bolstering measures. But no, in discussing the stimulus bill with Sen. John McCain, the 2008 defeated GOP nominee, and other Republicans at the White House in early 2009, Obama made clear his view was all that counted when he said, "I won" the election.

Funny thing, $282B of that are tax cuts for 94.3% of workers and small business. Or is that not a conservative ideal?

During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.


McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."


/EABOD & your blog sucks


THIS

Corporate America took this statement as a call to action and they have done everything within their power to make it a possibility.

Companies sit on $2T as economy tanks - NYPOST.com
 
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2012-10-30 02:04:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sky blue, water wet?


Yes. He hasn't been as tough the GOP as they deserve. A president should be more willing to confront the nations enemies.
 
2012-10-30 02:07:48 PM
PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894&feature=related
 
2012-10-30 02:09:33 PM

Beerguy: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president


Oh look, you are being dishonest again:

why don't you have the whole quote? Politifact laughs at your characterization.

"If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

Wow, he wanted 0bama to meet him halfway! History's greatest monster.
 
2012-10-30 02:10:01 PM
I thought the American dream is that every Sunday you get drunk and watch football and eat corndogs and nachos? At least for me it is.

American dream is doing just fine.
 
2012-10-30 02:16:37 PM
During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington. Looks like that was one campaign promise where the president couldn't be trusted to deliver.

Limbaugh has been hammering this point home for a couple weeks now. its downright weird.
 
2012-10-30 02:23:31 PM
IF ONLY OBAMA PASSED A STIMULUS BILL!!!!

Oh wait...
 
2012-10-30 02:36:16 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Beerguy: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president

Oh look, you are being dishonest again:

why don't you have the whole quote? Politifact laughs at your characterization.

"If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

Wow, he wanted 0bama to meet him halfway! History's greatest monster.



Show me one instance where House republicans have moved towards Obama on an agenda bill, let alone half way. Obama offering up $3T in cuts for $1T in revenue is more than half way, it's three fourths.

Grover Norquist waits for your response.
 
2012-10-30 02:43:43 PM
We are going to be inundated with this repetitive newspaper endorsement garbage the whole rest of the week, aren't we...
 
2012-10-30 02:44:31 PM
During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington. Looks like that was one campaign promise where the president couldn't be trusted to deliver.


Yes, that was one promise he failed to keep. There are others as well...

Close Gitmo
Cut the deficit in half
Earmark reform
Keep unemployment below 7%
Pass cap and trade
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform
Post all pending legislation online for five days
No Super pac money
Sign the Freedom of Choice Act
End Bush tax cuts
No jobs for lobbyists
Televise healthcare debates on C-Span
Ease racial tensions in America 

/He could have accomplished most of these promises without any GOP assistance
 
2012-10-30 02:49:43 PM

FlashHarry: 1) the healthcare passed because dems then controlled the house
2) the jobs bill has not passed because republicans now control the house


And Harry Reid still runs the Senate
 
2012-10-30 02:52:17 PM

bdub77: We are going to be inundated with this repetitive newspaper endorsement garbage the whole rest of the week, aren't we...


Probably. Seems to be the norm as of the last few days. I guess nothing else is going on. Right?
 
2012-10-30 02:52:36 PM

EnviroDude: FlashHarry: 1) the healthcare passed because dems then controlled the house
2) the jobs bill has not passed because republicans now control the house

And Harry Reid still runs the Senate


And crispy, buttery toast is still delicious.
 
2012-10-30 02:53:55 PM

Il Douchey: /He could have accomplished most of these promises without any GOP assistance

Close Gitmo - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Cut the deficit in half - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Earmark reform - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Keep unemployment below 7% - When he got into office it was already 7.8% and getting rapidly worse - he can't keep unemployment below 7% when it's already below 7% - not a failed promise, an impossible task - if he promised it in 2008 before the economy tanked under Bush, guess what, it doesn't count.
Pass cap and trade - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform
Post all pending legislation online for five days - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
No Super pac money - Supreme Court decision (who controls SCOTUS?)
Sign the Freedom of Choice Act - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
End Bush tax cuts - Didn't cut taxes due to recession his first two years - every economist on earth agreed with extending tax cuts at the time. After that, requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
No jobs for lobbyists - Requires Congressional assistance (who controls House?)
Televise healthcare debates on C-Span - I have no idea what is required for this, but the healthcare arguments in Congress were in fact televised.
Ease racial tensions in America - LOL this is a joke right? How do you even f*cking measure this? 

Anyone with a clue about how Congress operated from 2009-2010, with a lack of a clear majority for much of this time and pending healthcare legislation, knows that your whole argument is full of sh*t.

The first two years, Obama passed a TON of legislation. The failed promises were mostly lower priority items he couldn't get done the second half of his term due to GOP obstructionism.

You are an idiot for even bringing this up.
 
2012-10-30 02:57:23 PM

Il Douchey: During the 2008 campaign, voters heard Obama promise to end the bitter partisan and cynical politics of Washington. Looks like that was one campaign promise where the president couldn't be trusted to deliver.


Yes, that was one promise he failed to keep. There are others as well...

Close Gitmo
Cut the deficit in half
Earmark reform
Keep unemployment below 7%
Pass cap and trade
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform
Post all pending legislation online for five days
No Super pac money
Sign the Freedom of Choice Act
End Bush tax cuts
No jobs for lobbyists
Televise healthcare debates on C-Span
Ease racial tensions in America 

/He could have accomplished most of these promises without any GOP assistance


Well since most of these cannot be done by executive decree, um... you're wrong. You HAVE to have Congress to get the work done. Both halves. And what the fark is ease racial tensions in america? When did he say he would do that? how the hell do you measure something like that?

You're nothing but a useless troll. Why don't you add something to the conversation instead of attention whoring yourself all over the place...

\dammit now i am pissed
\\someone is wrong on the internet
 
2012-10-30 02:58:28 PM
bdub77

Great minds...
 
2012-10-30 03:01:55 PM

PreMortem: tenpoundsofcheese: Beerguy: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president

Oh look, you are being dishonest again:

why don't you have the whole quote? Politifact laughs at your characterization.

"If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

Wow, he wanted 0bama to meet him halfway! History's greatest monster.


Show me one instance where House republicans have moved towards Obama on an agenda bill,



Sure, first tell me what an "agenda bill" is.
 
2012-10-30 03:08:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Sure, first tell me what an "agenda bill" is.


Something that doesn't involve naming a post office or honoring the Boy Scouts for 60 years of raping children.
 
2012-10-30 03:09:15 PM

Il Douchey: PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894&feature=related


don't use facts, it just gets them mad.

remember "fairness" is more important than a healthy and growing economy.
 
2012-10-30 03:13:50 PM

bdub77: tenpoundsofcheese: Sure, first tell me what an "agenda bill" is.

Something that doesn't involve naming a post office or honoring the Boy Scouts for 60 years of raping children.


you do know that 0bama is the honorary President of the Boy Scouts and has praised them. what does that tell you?
 
2012-10-30 03:16:05 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Il Douchey: PreMortem: During a debate, Obama said he advocated increasing the capital gains tax even when told lower rates produce more revenues by encouraging investments in the economy.

This has no basis in historical fact, or the current environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894&feature=related

don't use facts, it just gets them mad.

remember "fairness" is more important than a healthy and growing economy.



Conservative Ben Stein laughs at your "raising taxes lowers revenue" Lie.
 
2012-10-30 03:17:39 PM

PreMortem: tenpoundsofcheese: Beerguy: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president

Oh look, you are being dishonest again:

why don't you have the whole quote? Politifact laughs at your characterization.

"If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

Wow, he wanted 0bama to meet him halfway! History's greatest monster.


Show me one instance where House republicans have moved towards Obama on an agenda bill,

.


1. The HIRE act.
2. Approving the 0bama tax cuts (formerly known as the Bush Tax Cuts)
 
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