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(The Daily Beast)   In four years, the 44th president of the United States has pulled off no fewer than three revolutions   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 188
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2012-10-30 03:38:20 PM  

Blue_Blazer: ivan: Jackson Herring: keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."

did I ever tell you about the time I met him?

Was it at an American wedding?

I'm guessing there was no marinated herring?


Yeah, the whole farking thing is one huge disappointment.

Also, try finding marinated herring without a slew of chemical preservatives.
 
2012-10-30 03:38:53 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Isitoveryet: holy shiat.

yeah, that's why i can never accept deregulation of any industry. well, let me say i am flexible but by no means would i support de-reg simply to bolster the profits of some lackluster company.

that's just unacceptable.



yup, like I said. surely a true "librul meeediiuuhhh" would be running with this .

surely a haven of "librul farktards" would greenlight the story.

surely not even the RWTR trolls can defend this.


/ not even Obama supporter
// go Stein or Anderson!


give it a day or two, maybe, hopefully a major news source will pick it up, things move a lot quicker online.

actually, FARK has ruined my local news channel as it seems that we (FARK) are an entire day ahead of television news outlets.
 
2012-10-30 03:40:55 PM  

colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.


Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.
 
2012-10-30 03:41:47 PM  
Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:03 PM  
well, since, I have heard, the stimulus failed, i can only conclude, that tax cuts for business don't work.


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chameleon
 
2012-10-30 03:43:53 PM  

Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.


Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:54 PM  

Headso: karnal: /you are not going to like the next four years

no middle class people will


Middle class here. Income is up 20% since 2008, medical bills under control with a nifty refund form the company this year, troops home including a cousin who was overseas fighting, 401k rebounded and gaining nicely, job prospects much better for many of my friends who are out looking, etc.

Things are a hell of a lot better over the last four years. If the next four are the same, i'll be in ever better shape.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:56 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.


ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.
 
2012-10-30 03:44:03 PM  

karnal: If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.


I know you're used to your parents just taking your word for it, but here in the real world we back up claims with things called facts.

We'll wait. About 6 more days.
 
2012-10-30 03:44:33 PM  

Headso: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.


Isitoveryet: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.


Did you know that employers are REQUIRED to display certain posters in their offices? AND, they are socialist propaganda too! Some nonsense about being required to pay workers a certain amount and being forbidden from firing lazy bastards that don't work because of some bullshiat about a 'sick' family member. Liberal socialist propaganda being FORCED on small business owners. You've got to request those posters and then hang them up yourself! That's time that would be better spent job creatin'! Damned job killing regulations!!!
 
2012-10-30 03:44:44 PM  

karnal: udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?


You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers. 

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.


I work for a regional planning orgnaization responsible for 17 counties in central Kentucky. I have personally seen multiple public projects paid for by ARRA and other stimulus provide work and paychecks for numerous small, local non-union businesses. I have had these same small business owners ask me where they can find a list of projects awarded so that they can bid on other projects in the area.

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.
 
2012-10-30 03:45:24 PM  
theknuckler_33
Yea, you're right. Better vote for Romney.

Stop believing in politics. Start getting organized and taking action yourself.
 
2012-10-30 03:45:50 PM  

colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.


Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)
 
2012-10-30 03:46:08 PM  
Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.


Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.


According to the SBA's Office of Advocacy, federal regulations cost small businesses about 36 percent more per employee to comply than their big business counterparts.
SBA
 
2012-10-30 03:46:09 PM  

Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.


Two about-faces in a row doesn't count.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:23 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.

Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.


that's right. profit be damned. she should go out and hire a bunch of homeless people while she's at it.
they're human beings who deserve a job and health insurance.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:32 PM  
www.solidprinciples.com

Miss Me Yet?
 
2012-10-30 03:47:36 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)


you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.
 
2012-10-30 03:48:55 PM  

Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.


If she really does own this business and doesn't already know EXACTLY how the law will affect her, nothing is going to matter. Write her off as an idiot.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:41 PM  
Author's perspective is France so ...
 
2012-10-30 03:49:52 PM  
urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.



Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.
 
2012-10-30 03:50:24 PM  

RanDomino: theknuckler_33
Yea, you're right. Better vote for Romney.

Stop believing in politics.


WTF? "believing in politics"?

Start getting organized and taking action yourself.

Hmm, sounds like... politics.

/or were you talking guerrilla-like tactics?
 
2012-10-30 03:50:33 PM  

ChimpMitten: But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 - but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company's business interests.


So the company did not get checked out in the past 8 years?
 
2012-10-30 03:50:34 PM  

colon_pow: Philip Francis Queeg: Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.

Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.

that's right. profit be damned. she should go out and hire a bunch of homeless people while she's at it.
they're human beings who deserve a job and health insurance.


Yes, that's right. people exist to serve employers. Profits are clearly more important than the health of human beings. People should be willing to sacrifice not only themselves but their families for their company.
 
2012-10-30 03:51:24 PM  
That was actually a VERY intelligent article. Surprising to see something that intelligent on the internet these days...especially so with the crapstorm of derp that you find on places like Fark.com...
 
2012-10-30 03:52:19 PM  
So, you'd say he's been twirling, twirling, twirling?

/ Voted for Kodos
 
2012-10-30 03:52:38 PM  

Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.


health care is essential in this country as medical costs can cripple anyone not in the position to pay the outrageous prices associated with them (or have parents who you can ask to cover said costs).
let her know that taking care of employees is beneficial to both employee & employer.
depending on what kind of coverage you buy (there are inexpensive plans too you know!) you can provide coverage relatively cheap. she can also ask the employees to contribute to the costs as well.
sit down and discuss options, more often than not you will have plenty of input to come to a reasonable conclusion.
maybe she needs to rethink her business model if HC costs are preventing her from profiting.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:42 PM  

colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.


I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:43 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: I can shop for healthcare for the first time in my life. He has done a bang up job.


I wish my state would hurry the fark up and implement it. It's looking like they're going to wait until 2014 to start up the goddamn exchange.
 
2012-10-30 03:54:59 PM  

karnal: Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.


if you Google that 613 number you get this

Obama's White House has approved fewer regulations than his predecessor George W. Bush at this same point in their tenures, and the estimated costs of those rules haven't reached the annual peak set in fiscal 1992 under Bush's father, according to government data reviewed by Bloomberg News.

I called it when I said shreds of facts, booyah!
 
2012-10-30 03:57:14 PM  

karnal: According to the SBA's Office of Advocacy, federal regulations cost small businesses about 36 percent more per employee to comply than their big business counterparts.
SBA


per employee?

Another way to say that would be that the expenditure is the same.
 
2012-10-30 03:58:31 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.

I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.


so the article was hyperbole?
say it ain't so
 
2012-10-30 03:58:33 PM  

colon_pow: Philip Francis Queeg:
Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.

that's right. profit be damned. she should go out and hire a bunch of homeless people while she's at it.
they're human beings who deserve a job and health insurance.


Yea, that's not the best solution. Single-payer would be much better.
 
2012-10-30 03:59:09 PM  

karnal: udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?


You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers. 

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.


Ah, "regulations", the myth that the problem with our economy is that there isn't enough arsenic in our drinking water.

The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

But let me tell you a story to explain how the respective parties feel about small businesses: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance. This made me essentially an indentured servant to the corporation I worked for. And I'm not alone, there were millions of us.

ObamaCare cut in half the amount of money my business would have needed to make in order to break even after buying my own insurance. I'm now a successful small business owner, and ObamaCare literally gave me freedom to become that. If Mitt Romney is elected, and overturns the ACA as promised, I will be forced to close my business, fire the 2 employees I have, and go back to working for a corporation with access to group health.

As a small business owner, this election is a no-brainer.
 
2012-10-30 03:59:56 PM  

codergirl42: Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.

eleventy brazillion revolutions/second


He's a lie-rascope!
 
2012-10-30 03:59:56 PM  

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.


Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.
 
2012-10-30 04:00:26 PM  
Ant:
Don't give a shiat. It's a cost of doing business now. You'll get over it. Maybe instead of whining about ObamaCare, businesses should support a single-payer system, so they can get out of the heath care business altogether.

Well it does cost a bit, but it's been SO useful as a way to keep employees toeing the line... lest they be fired and little Timmy's bad kidneys suddenly become a "pre-existing condition". 

This is why automakers, whose employees are union-protected, actually support single-payer - they can't use the coercive factor and SP reduces their costs.
 
2012-10-30 04:04:48 PM  
Worst use of hero tag ever.
 
2012-10-30 04:05:29 PM  
theknuckler_33
/or were you talking guerrilla-like tactics?

Nothing's stopping you from joining/starting a grassroots union where you work, starting a Solidarity Network, clogging up courts and jails whenever there's a foreclosure, cracking empty buildings and letting in homeless people, starting community food projects to reduce people's reliance on money, start community media such as newsletters and radio, start a freeschool...

Oops sorry I forgot that the only way anything can get done is if the government does it
 
2012-10-30 04:08:51 PM  

Saiga410: ChimpMitten: But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 - but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company's business interests.

So the company did not get checked out in the past 8 years?


Dunno, I haven't been following the story that closely, but to have the Romney admin actually find problems then let the company off the hook is going to look very bad for him.

I would think this, and the hurricane are going to make people appreciate their governmental services a little more. I think a lot of weird things though.
 
2012-10-30 04:09:24 PM  

colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.

I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.

so the article was hyperbole?
say it ain't so


I don't really know. You definitely have the edge on me there. You and hyperbole are pretty tight, so if you say it is, then I guess it is.
 
2012-10-30 04:09:32 PM  

Headso: karnal: Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.

if you Google that 613 number you get this

Obama's White House has approved fewer regulations than his predecessor George W. Bush at this same point in their tenures, and the estimated costs of those rules haven't reached the annual peak set in fiscal 1992 under Bush's father, according to government data reviewed by Bloomberg News.

I called it when I said shreds of facts, booyah!


Here's a pretty good article about that 2nd number (the 129).
 
2012-10-30 04:10:28 PM  
You know who else pulled off a revolution?

cf.broadsheet.ie
 
2012-10-30 04:11:31 PM  

udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer


I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.
 
2012-10-30 04:15:02 PM  

Ant: randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare

A majority of people who don't know what the fark they're against, that is.

businesses are against ObamaCare as well.

Don't give a shiat. It's a cost of doing business now. You'll get over it. Maybe instead of whining about ObamaCare, businesses should support a single-payer system, so they can get out of the heath care business altogether.


I love that logic.

Health insurance premiums and hospital bills are going through the roof. We can't deal with this cost of doing business so let's pass a law called the Affordable Care Act.

Costs become higher as a direct result.

Deal with it. Cost of doing business.
 
2012-10-30 04:16:21 PM  

jigger: udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer

I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-30 04:17:14 PM  
udhq:
But let me tell you a story to explain how the respective parties feel about small businesses: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance. This made me essentially an indentured servant to the corporation I worked for. And I'm not alone, there were millions of us.

ObamaCare cut in half the amount of money my business would have needed to make in order to break even after buying my own insurance. I'm now a successful small business owner, and ObamaCare literally gave me freedom to become that. If Mitt Romney is elected, and overturns the ACA as promised, I will be forced to close my business, fire the 2 employees I have, and go back to working for a corporation with access to group health.


The irony of course is that if ACA is repealed, you would be unable to get insurance no matter who you worked for.

pixel.nymag.com


RanDomino:
Nothing's stopping you from joining/starting a grassroots union where you work, starting a Solidarity Network, clogging up courts and jails whenever there's a foreclosure, cracking empty buildings and letting in homeless people, starting community food projects to reduce people's reliance on money, start community media such as newsletters and radio, start a freeschool...

Oops sorry I forgot that the only way anything can get done is if the government does it


A large % of what you just described would be shut down by the cops the day you started it up. In a lot of places you're not even allowed to feed the homeless in the park. I'm not saying it's right, but of the first ten members of your "Solidarity Network", three would be undercover cops. (They'd be the ones saying you should plant a bomb, and then reporting back that "the members discussed a terrorist action")
 
2012-10-30 04:18:48 PM  
badaboom:
You know who else pulled off a revolution?

And from the looks of the internet these days, he succeeded. BTW who's the happy guy with the beard?
 
2012-10-30 04:18:57 PM  

RanDomino: theknuckler_33
/or were you talking guerrilla-like tactics?

Nothing's stopping you from joining/starting a grassroots union where you work, starting a Solidarity Network, clogging up courts and jails whenever there's a foreclosure, cracking empty buildings and letting in homeless people, starting community food projects to reduce people's reliance on money, start community media such as newsletters and radio, start a freeschool...

Oops sorry I forgot that the only way anything can get done is if the government does it


No, man, those are great ideas. Having a hard time seeing how that will change the complaints about Obama in your OP.

That Solidarity Group you linked to is doing great work, though. I'm sure Luis at Pegasus Pizza and those workers now getting their 10 minute breaks at Boracchini's are very appreciative. I hope they tackle nationwide income disparity next!
 
2012-10-30 04:20:10 PM  

Diogenes: And regrettably, instead of throwing the obstructionist Republicans up against the wall, we may be electing one of them.


Because way too many people, like the author of the Chicago Sun Times article currently above this one, blame Obama for Republican's lack of bipartisanship. Of course the only deal they would have taken was if Obama had just enacted their policies outright by cutting taxes more, criminalizing abortion and doing nothing about Wall St and Health Insurance reform.

But I guess everyone's ready to go back to supply side again. FINE, let's all just become serfs, I give up.
 
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