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(The Daily Beast)   In four years, the 44th president of the United States has pulled off no fewer than three revolutions   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 188
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2012-10-30 11:54:41 AM  
So your saying Obama is all about permanent revolutions?
 
2012-10-30 11:56:45 AM  
Wow. And I didn't even notice? GOD DAMN IT. I really wanted to behead some people too.
 
2012-10-30 12:10:30 PM  
But he's BLACK and a DEMOCRAT! And teleprompters! Party before country, people!

/The garrbbl has been successfully wharr-ed
 
2012-10-30 12:16:12 PM  
Which is precisely why the Whitey Establishment is upset.

/the man
 
2012-10-30 12:18:05 PM  

WTF Indeed: So your saying Obama is all about permanent revolutions?


And he records them all in his little red book
 
2012-10-30 12:22:03 PM  
Geez, and here I thought the author of TFA was going to call him the black Reagan.
 
2012-10-30 12:25:43 PM  
With that kind of gumption and get-things-donededness I better be SURE to vote for his re-election!
 
2012-10-30 01:19:06 PM  
What do you expect, his middle name is HUSSEIN. You know what that means!
 
2012-10-30 01:30:24 PM  
And regrettably, instead of throwing the obstructionist Republicans up against the wall, we may be electing one of them.
 
2012-10-30 01:35:09 PM  
He was going for 3.5 revolutions, so that's going to be a manditory deduction and you know the russian judge is going to really screw his score up
 
2012-10-30 02:01:23 PM  
Playing pretty fast and loose with the word "revolution"
 
2012-10-30 02:44:55 PM  
When I read 'revolution' I expect some bloody violent shiat. Turns out its only some political change.
 
2012-10-30 02:44:56 PM  
You better free your mind instead...
 
2012-10-30 02:46:40 PM  
That's 1080 degrees!
 
2012-10-30 02:48:12 PM  
How's that 'Hopey Changee' stuff working out for you guys...oh wait...three revolutions, not bad.
 
2012-10-30 02:48:23 PM  

TheOther: That's 1080 degrees!


Didn't know Obama was so great at skateboarding. He hides it well.
 
2012-10-30 02:48:53 PM  

TheOther: That's 1080 degrees!


That's only 1.18 9/11s, so it's not that big a deal.
 
2012-10-30 02:49:57 PM  
50% of the country would like to disagree with you.
 
2012-10-30 02:50:24 PM  

ShawnDoc: What do you expect, his middle name is HUSSEIN. You know what that means!


According to Wikipedia, "good", "handsome" or "beautiful", which are all things Republicans hate.
 
2012-10-30 02:51:16 PM  
That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.
 
2012-10-30 02:51:19 PM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-30 02:51:52 PM  
6 * pi radians

that means i still remember geometry from high school
and i'm stupid smart
 
2012-10-30 02:52:36 PM  
health care, the economy, and foreign policy

Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

But then, that was the goal all along.

Economy? Would that be the economy where record numbers of people are on welfare/food stamps? Would that be the economy where the labor participation rate has dropped due to people giving up? Would that be the economy where the actual unemployment rate is over 10%?

Foreign policy? Would that be the foreign policy that supported the Arab Spring which is quickly turning in to the Islamic Winter? Would that be the foreign policy that has made all of our enemies stronger? When Obama entered office, al Queda was in 8-15 countries, they are now in over 100. Would that be the foreign policy that led to Benghazi?
 
2012-10-30 02:53:36 PM  

WTF Indeed: So your saying Obama is all about permanent revolutions?


Your idea intrigues me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, comrade. I mean FRIEND... friend.
 
2012-10-30 02:54:00 PM  
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
 
2012-10-30 02:54:03 PM  

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.


Sure, but here in reality, we are aware of how badly misinformed those people are.
 
2012-10-30 02:55:51 PM  
Blue_Blazer

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.

Sure, but here in reality, we are aware of how badly misinformed those people are.



probably only get their news from msnbc
 
2012-10-30 02:56:00 PM  

randomjsa: Foreign policy? Would that be the foreign policy that supported the Arab Spring which is quickly turning in to the Islamic Winter? Would that be the foreign policy that has made all of our enemies stronger? When Obama entered office, al Queda was in 8-15 countries, they are now in over 100. Would that be the foreign policy that led to Benghazi?


So, half a billion people living in democracies who two years ago were living in dictatorships is a bad thing now? Huh, I'll be damned.
 
2012-10-30 02:56:25 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: 6 * pi radians

that means i still remember geometry from high school
and i'm stupid smart


Sadly I came here to say this.
 
2012-10-30 02:57:15 PM  

randomjsa: Benghazi


the benghazi-solyndra-arugula-dijon-conspiracy-theory? I heard the lamestream-driveby-liebral-media is covering it all up.
 
2012-10-30 02:57:23 PM  
STFU, frenchy. You're not helping.
 
2012-10-30 02:57:57 PM  

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.


50%!? and i bet you tell the girls 6" too.
 
2012-10-30 02:58:19 PM  
We have to go all the way to France to find useful idiots?
 
2012-10-30 02:58:38 PM  
wow. I would really hesitate to give the President any credit for his "Economic" revolution.

I understand the point of the article, you've got to keep the morale of the soldiers up, but don't you think a nice Allison Brie/Gillian Jacobs burlesque show would work better?
 
2012-10-30 02:58:42 PM  

karnal: Blue_Blazer

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.

Sure, but here in reality, we are aware of how badly misinformed those people are.


probably only get their news from msnbc


No I don't mean "those people," I mean the horribly mininformed audience of Fox and the idiot bubble they represent.
 
2012-10-30 02:58:49 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."
 
2012-10-30 02:59:04 PM  
 
2012-10-30 02:59:41 PM  

randomjsa: health care, the economy, and foreign policy

Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

But then, that was the goal all along.

Economy? Would that be the economy where record numbers of people are on welfare/food stamps? Would that be the economy where the labor participation rate has dropped due to people giving up? Would that be the economy where the actual unemployment rate is over 10%?

Foreign policy? Would that be the foreign policy that supported the Arab Spring which is quickly turning in to the Islamic Winter? Would that be the foreign policy that has made all of our enemies stronger? When Obama entered office, al Queda was in 8-15 countries, they are now in over 100. Would that be the foreign policy that led to Benghazi?


you actually thought premiums would go down? how about premiums are going up slower? and i guess you are entitled to your opinion regarding the other 2 revolutions.
 
2012-10-30 03:00:33 PM  

randomjsa: blah-diddy-bloot, scoo-diddly-doo, bing-band-wing-wang, skiffly-wiffly Benghazi?


There. I made you more interesting (if not less predictable).
 
2012-10-30 03:01:24 PM  
I think it's important that people remember what a bad spot this country was in in 2008. I think history is going to realize that Obama achieved a lot more than he is credited for. I'm glad I voted for him, both in 2008 and and this year.

However, it's also good not to forget that he's also furthered(and in some places strengthened) many of the Bush Administration's worst policies, including the Patriot Act, NDAA, indefinite detention, expansion of surveillance of US citizens, and more! (See your lawyer for full details).

That being said, a government is not going to voluntarily give up any power it currently holds. Ever. Obama's still a politician and he won't commit political suicide. I can't blame him for that. That's the way the game is played.
 
2012-10-30 03:01:59 PM  

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.


And they probably will, although they'll be wrong.
 
2012-10-30 03:02:14 PM  
Article doesn't mention his Muslim revolution or his homogay revolution.
 
2012-10-30 03:03:03 PM  

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.


If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.
 
2012-10-30 03:05:32 PM  
I don't like the use of the term "Black Kennedy". That carries some unfortunate baggage.
 
2012-10-30 03:05:37 PM  
Blue_Blazer

karnal: Blue_Blazer

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.

Sure, but here in reality, we are aware of how badly misinformed those people are.


probably only get their news from msnbc

No I don't mean "those people," I mean the horribly mininformed audience of Fox and the idiot bubble they represent.



Oh....I see. The chosen ones!


/you are not going to like the next four years
 
2012-10-30 03:06:43 PM  
Liberals actually believe this.
 
2012-10-30 03:07:03 PM  

Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.


eleventy brazillion revolutions/second
 
2012-10-30 03:07:45 PM  
udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.



Does your paper route count as a business?
 
2012-10-30 03:08:05 PM  

udhq: randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


I'm sorry sir, but I don't believe you. I have been told by reputable sources that everyone that even tries to do any kind of business is immediately destroyed from orbit by Obama's meteoroid gun.
 
2012-10-30 03:08:19 PM  

karnal: /you are not going to like the next four years


no middle class people will
 
2012-10-30 03:08:27 PM  

udhq: randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


You socialist!
 
2012-10-30 03:08:37 PM  

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.


I can shop for healthcare for the first time in my life. He has done a bang up job.
 
2012-10-30 03:08:37 PM  
Well that would certainly explain why he has so many czars.
 
2012-10-30 03:09:10 PM  

badaboom: Liberals actually believe this.


It's probably closer to reality than what "conservatives" believe about Obama...
 
Ant
2012-10-30 03:09:15 PM  

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare


A majority of people who don't know what the fark they're against, that is.

businesses are against ObamaCare as well.

Don't give a shiat. It's a cost of doing business now. You'll get over it. Maybe instead of whining about ObamaCare, businesses should support a single-payer system, so they can get out of the heath care business altogether.
 
2012-10-30 03:09:21 PM  

codergirl42: Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.

eleventy brazillion revolutions/second


If his flywheel becomes unbalanced, he'll explode.
 
2012-10-30 03:09:50 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Well that would certainly explain why he has so many czars.


Didn't Russian Revolution end the cz-oh I see what you did there.
 
2012-10-30 03:10:18 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: wow. I would really hesitate to give the President any credit for his "Economic" revolution.

I understand the point of the article, you've got to keep the morale of the soldiers up, but don't you think a nice Allison Brie/Gillian Jacobs burlesque show would work better?


Oh right, this is the part of the show where we pretend the president didn't inherit the most quickly shrinking economy in history, make it grow almost immediately, and sustain that growth steadily for over three years.
 
2012-10-30 03:10:42 PM  

keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."


did I ever tell you about the time I met him?
 
2012-10-30 03:11:00 PM  
Oh Yea? Senator John Glenn pulled off 3 revolutions in one day before he even ran for office.
 
2012-10-30 03:11:37 PM  
What color revolutions were they?
 
2012-10-30 03:11:39 PM  
He should have purchased a dozen Communist revolutions from the door to door salesman.
 
2012-10-30 03:12:06 PM  
would be nice if the massive liberal media complex and Fark Politab would greenlight the story about Romney's Meningitis Outbreak Revolution.

what a despicable scumbag. All the deaths ARE ON HIM.
 
2012-10-30 03:13:25 PM  

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?


Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?
 
2012-10-30 03:13:49 PM  

Leader O'Cola: would be nice if the massive liberal media complex and Fark Politab would greenlight the story about Romney's Meningitis Outbreak Revolution.

what a despicable scumbag. All the deaths ARE ON HIM.


What?!
 
2012-10-30 03:13:53 PM  

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?


Wow! Combined with that 'Obama working in Chavez's cabinet' joke in the other thread, I'm thinking you could have been a writer for the 1/2 hour news hour. Keep 'em coming... we're all in stitches!
 
2012-10-30 03:14:37 PM  

Dr Dreidel: What color revolutions were they?


Blah.
 
2012-10-30 03:16:33 PM  

USCLaw2010: Oh Yea? Senator John Glenn pulled off 3 revolutions in one day before he even ran for office.


I also pull off 3 "revolutions" a day.
 
2012-10-30 03:16:44 PM  

udhq: Hunter_Worthington: wow. I would really hesitate to give the President any credit for his "Economic" revolution.

I understand the point of the article, you've got to keep the morale of the soldiers up, but don't you think a nice Allison Brie/Gillian Jacobs burlesque show would work better?

Oh right, this is the part of the show where we pretend the president didn't inherit the most quickly shrinking economy in history, make it grow almost immediately, and sustain that growth steadily for over three years.


well, I was thinking we would collectively enjoy watching Allison Brie and Gillian Jacobs parading around in underwear instead of trying to argue whether the current climate constitutes an Economic "revolution" that the incumbent would want to take credit for. Watching attractive women parade around in sexy underwear for a minute and a half is usually far more productive then arguing about economics, especially when the one party knows less then a sociologist working a double integral.*

* no one knows how he got it, and damned if he knows what to do with it.
 
2012-10-30 03:16:59 PM  

Raharu: Leader O'Cola: would be nice if the massive liberal media complex and Fark Politab would greenlight the story about Romney's Meningitis Outbreak Revolution.

what a despicable scumbag. All the deaths ARE ON HIM.

What?!


The outbreak came from a lab in Massachusetts, so maybe there was some policy Romney put in place that lead to the issue?

I would certainly like to know more.
 
2012-10-30 03:18:09 PM  

Jackson Herring: keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."

did I ever tell you about the time I met him?


I think so... You shared some pizza with them?
 
2012-10-30 03:19:49 PM  
the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.
 
2012-10-30 03:19:51 PM  

ChimpMitten: Raharu: Leader O'Cola: would be nice if the massive liberal media complex and Fark Politab would greenlight the story about Romney's Meningitis Outbreak Revolution.

what a despicable scumbag. All the deaths ARE ON HIM.

What?!

The outbreak came from a lab in Massachusetts, so maybe there was some policy Romney put in place that lead to the issue?

I would certainly like to know more.


Let me google that for myself...

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/30/romneys_lax_regulation_fueled_mening it is_outbreak/

But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 - but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company's business interests.
 
2012-10-30 03:20:04 PM  

Jackson Herring: keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."

did I ever tell you about the time I met him?


Was it at an American wedding?
 
2012-10-30 03:20:26 PM  

ChimpMitten: Raharu: Leader O'Cola: would be nice if the massive liberal media complex and Fark Politab would greenlight the story about Romney's Meningitis Outbreak Revolution.

what a despicable scumbag. All the deaths ARE ON HIM.

What?!

The outbreak came from a lab in Massachusetts, so maybe there was some policy Romney put in place that lead to the issue?

I would certainly like to know more.


thewolfmancometh.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-30 03:21:00 PM  

colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.


Whatever floats your boat,.
 
2012-10-30 03:21:02 PM  
He pisses off the christian right, the tea baggers, the racists, and all the other morans. For me this is enough justification to keep him around a while longer.
 
2012-10-30 03:21:17 PM  

ChimpMitten: Raharu: Leader O'Cola: would be nice if the massive liberal media complex and Fark Politab would greenlight the story about Romney's Meningitis Outbreak Revolution.

what a despicable scumbag. All the deaths ARE ON HIM.

What?!

The outbreak came from a lab in Massachusetts, so maybe there was some policy Romney put in place that lead to the issue?

I would certainly like to know more.




in short, he went lenient on them in the past when they broke regulations because if he followed the letter of the law they would go out of business.


I submitted this earlier to no avail.
 
2012-10-30 03:21:23 PM  

colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.


That's a strange statement from someone who posts with Rush Limbaugh's hate-swollen dick in their mouth.
 
2012-10-30 03:23:18 PM  

Epoch_Zero: hate-swollen dick


Good band name.
 
2012-10-30 03:23:34 PM  
RON PAUL frowns upon your shenanigans
 
2012-10-30 03:23:42 PM  

ChimpMitten: But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 - but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company's business interests.


holy shiat.

yeah, that's why i can never accept deregulation of any industry. well, let me say i am flexible but by no means would i support de-reg simply to bolster the profits of some lackluster company.

that's just unacceptable.
 
2012-10-30 03:24:01 PM  

Headso: karnal: /you are not going to like the next four years

no middle class people will


My household income is up over 2008. Wife has a solid job and I am about to finish my Master's. Plus I am looking forward to seeing a doctor that I haven't been able to afford. So I think President Obama's second term will be even better than the first. Despite historic opposition in the House and Senate, progress will not be stopped.
 
2012-10-30 03:25:04 PM  

Skleenar: Epoch_Zero: hate swollen-dick

Good band name.


Or a medical complaint.
 
2012-10-30 03:25:07 PM  
But is it so hard to imagine what the rate of unemployment in the United States might be today in the absence of Obama's decisions?

Just wait a few minutes and someone will break out this POS as evidence of some sort of stimulus failure:

www.aei-ideas.org

I can't go three blocks around the internet without running into it or something very similar.
 
2012-10-30 03:25:27 PM  
udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?



You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers. 

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.
 
2012-10-30 03:25:56 PM  
I wonder how American voters will react to this endorsement by a poofy-haired French philosopher.

2.bp.blogspot.com

/But he's a bit of a neo-con, so at least he has that going for him
 
2012-10-30 03:27:14 PM  

randomjsa: derderpderpittyherpledurrplemerpderpderpderp!!1!!!11!


coderoom.files.wordpress.comwww.seas.upenn.edu
 
2012-10-30 03:28:05 PM  

Diogenes: And regrettably, instead of throwing the obstructionist Republicans up against the wall, we may be electing one of them.


Sadly, we never seem to shoot the right people in American politics.
 
2012-10-30 03:28:10 PM  
You say you got the real solution.
Well ya know, we all want to see the plan.

/talkin to YOU, rmoney.
 
2012-10-30 03:29:30 PM  

ivan: Jackson Herring: keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."

did I ever tell you about the time I met him?

Was it at an American wedding?


I'm guessing there was no marinated herring?
 
2012-10-30 03:29:45 PM  
Healthcare reform was wholly insufficient, a gift to the insurance corporations, and undermined the possibility for single-payer or even public option.

93% of the economic recovery has gone to the 1%. Homeowners were used to "foam the runway" for banks.

He has continued the policies of permanent war, undeclared war, preemptive strike, extrajudicial assassination, and the surveillance state that liberals and progressives were apoplectic about until they started being done by someone with a "D" next to his name.

He really is "the black Kennedy"- although probably not for the reason this worthless pop-philosopher meant.
 
2012-10-30 03:30:42 PM  

karnal: Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.


18 tax cuts passed for small businesses under Obama.
 
2012-10-30 03:30:48 PM  
Good piece.
Bernard-Henri Levy has always had some interesting insight.
 
2012-10-30 03:31:58 PM  

Isitoveryet: holy shiat.

yeah, that's why i can never accept deregulation of any industry. well, let me say i am flexible but by no means would i support de-reg simply to bolster the profits of some lackluster company.

that's just unacceptable.




yup, like I said. surely a true "librul meeediiuuhhh" would be running with this .

surely a haven of "librul farktards" would greenlight the story.

surely not even the RWTR trolls can defend this.


/ not even Obama supporter
// go Stein or Anderson!
 
2012-10-30 03:32:10 PM  

RanDomino: Healthcare reform was wholly insufficient, a gift to the insurance corporations, and undermined the possibility for single-payer or even public option.

93% of the economic recovery has gone to the 1%. Homeowners were used to "foam the runway" for banks.

He has continued the policies of permanent war, undeclared war, preemptive strike, extrajudicial assassination, and the surveillance state that liberals and progressives were apoplectic about until they started being done by someone with a "D" next to his name.

He really is "the black Kennedy"- although probably not for the reason this worthless pop-philosopher meant.


Yea, you're right. Better vote for Romney.
 
2012-10-30 03:34:31 PM  

theknuckler_33: RanDomino: Healthcare reform was wholly insufficient, a gift to the insurance corporations, and undermined the possibility for single-payer or even public option.

93% of the economic recovery has gone to the 1%. Homeowners were used to "foam the runway" for banks.

He has continued the policies of permanent war, undeclared war, preemptive strike, extrajudicial assassination, and the surveillance state that liberals and progressives were apoplectic about until they started being done by someone with a "D" next to his name.

He really is "the black Kennedy"- although probably not for the reason this worthless pop-philosopher meant.

Yea, you're right. Better vote for Romney.


Nah, Ran is a genuine Revolutionary. Well, as long as he doesn't actually have to do anything that is.
 
2012-10-30 03:34:48 PM  

keylock71: Jackson Herring: keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."

did I ever tell you about the time I met him?

I think so... You shared some pizza with them?


Haha yeah on their tour bus.
 
2012-10-30 03:35:59 PM  

karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.


which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.
 
2012-10-30 03:36:48 PM  

karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.


sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.
 
2012-10-30 03:38:20 PM  

Blue_Blazer: ivan: Jackson Herring: keylock71: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x400]

"3? That's it? Let me know when he gets to 60 per minute..."

did I ever tell you about the time I met him?

Was it at an American wedding?

I'm guessing there was no marinated herring?


Yeah, the whole farking thing is one huge disappointment.

Also, try finding marinated herring without a slew of chemical preservatives.
 
2012-10-30 03:38:53 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Isitoveryet: holy shiat.

yeah, that's why i can never accept deregulation of any industry. well, let me say i am flexible but by no means would i support de-reg simply to bolster the profits of some lackluster company.

that's just unacceptable.



yup, like I said. surely a true "librul meeediiuuhhh" would be running with this .

surely a haven of "librul farktards" would greenlight the story.

surely not even the RWTR trolls can defend this.


/ not even Obama supporter
// go Stein or Anderson!


give it a day or two, maybe, hopefully a major news source will pick it up, things move a lot quicker online.

actually, FARK has ruined my local news channel as it seems that we (FARK) are an entire day ahead of television news outlets.
 
2012-10-30 03:40:55 PM  

colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.


Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.
 
2012-10-30 03:41:47 PM  
Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:03 PM  
well, since, I have heard, the stimulus failed, i can only conclude, that tax cuts for business don't work.


,
,
,
,
,
chameleon
 
2012-10-30 03:43:53 PM  

Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.


Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:54 PM  

Headso: karnal: /you are not going to like the next four years

no middle class people will


Middle class here. Income is up 20% since 2008, medical bills under control with a nifty refund form the company this year, troops home including a cousin who was overseas fighting, 401k rebounded and gaining nicely, job prospects much better for many of my friends who are out looking, etc.

Things are a hell of a lot better over the last four years. If the next four are the same, i'll be in ever better shape.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:56 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.


ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.
 
2012-10-30 03:44:03 PM  

karnal: If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.


I know you're used to your parents just taking your word for it, but here in the real world we back up claims with things called facts.

We'll wait. About 6 more days.
 
2012-10-30 03:44:33 PM  

Headso: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.


Isitoveryet: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.


Did you know that employers are REQUIRED to display certain posters in their offices? AND, they are socialist propaganda too! Some nonsense about being required to pay workers a certain amount and being forbidden from firing lazy bastards that don't work because of some bullshiat about a 'sick' family member. Liberal socialist propaganda being FORCED on small business owners. You've got to request those posters and then hang them up yourself! That's time that would be better spent job creatin'! Damned job killing regulations!!!
 
2012-10-30 03:44:44 PM  

karnal: udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?


You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers. 

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.


I work for a regional planning orgnaization responsible for 17 counties in central Kentucky. I have personally seen multiple public projects paid for by ARRA and other stimulus provide work and paychecks for numerous small, local non-union businesses. I have had these same small business owners ask me where they can find a list of projects awarded so that they can bid on other projects in the area.

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.
 
2012-10-30 03:45:24 PM  
theknuckler_33
Yea, you're right. Better vote for Romney.

Stop believing in politics. Start getting organized and taking action yourself.
 
2012-10-30 03:45:50 PM  

colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.


Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)
 
2012-10-30 03:46:08 PM  
Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.


Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.


According to the SBA's Office of Advocacy, federal regulations cost small businesses about 36 percent more per employee to comply than their big business counterparts.
SBA
 
2012-10-30 03:46:09 PM  

Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.


Two about-faces in a row doesn't count.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:23 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.

Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.


that's right. profit be damned. she should go out and hire a bunch of homeless people while she's at it.
they're human beings who deserve a job and health insurance.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:32 PM  
www.solidprinciples.com

Miss Me Yet?
 
2012-10-30 03:47:36 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)


you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.
 
2012-10-30 03:48:55 PM  

Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.


If she really does own this business and doesn't already know EXACTLY how the law will affect her, nothing is going to matter. Write her off as an idiot.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:41 PM  
Author's perspective is France so ...
 
2012-10-30 03:49:52 PM  
urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.



Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.
 
2012-10-30 03:50:24 PM  

RanDomino: theknuckler_33
Yea, you're right. Better vote for Romney.

Stop believing in politics.


WTF? "believing in politics"?

Start getting organized and taking action yourself.

Hmm, sounds like... politics.

/or were you talking guerrilla-like tactics?
 
2012-10-30 03:50:33 PM  

ChimpMitten: But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 - but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company's business interests.


So the company did not get checked out in the past 8 years?
 
2012-10-30 03:50:34 PM  

colon_pow: Philip Francis Queeg: Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.

Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.

that's right. profit be damned. she should go out and hire a bunch of homeless people while she's at it.
they're human beings who deserve a job and health insurance.


Yes, that's right. people exist to serve employers. Profits are clearly more important than the health of human beings. People should be willing to sacrifice not only themselves but their families for their company.
 
2012-10-30 03:51:24 PM  
That was actually a VERY intelligent article. Surprising to see something that intelligent on the internet these days...especially so with the crapstorm of derp that you find on places like Fark.com...
 
2012-10-30 03:52:19 PM  
So, you'd say he's been twirling, twirling, twirling?

/ Voted for Kodos
 
2012-10-30 03:52:38 PM  

Pfft!: Question :

My sister-in-law's sister owns a small business, and she is concerned that Obamacare will increase her costs. She has less than 50 employees, I believe more like 10. What should my argument be that she is wrong? What if she wanted to expand above the 50 employees down the road but would have to pay a fine? I really want some solid ammo but am exceedingly overwhelmed by all the right wing friends I'm trying to deal with.

This election season has caused me so many gray hairs its ridiculous.


health care is essential in this country as medical costs can cripple anyone not in the position to pay the outrageous prices associated with them (or have parents who you can ask to cover said costs).
let her know that taking care of employees is beneficial to both employee & employer.
depending on what kind of coverage you buy (there are inexpensive plans too you know!) you can provide coverage relatively cheap. she can also ask the employees to contribute to the costs as well.
sit down and discuss options, more often than not you will have plenty of input to come to a reasonable conclusion.
maybe she needs to rethink her business model if HC costs are preventing her from profiting.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:42 PM  

colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.


I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:43 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: I can shop for healthcare for the first time in my life. He has done a bang up job.


I wish my state would hurry the fark up and implement it. It's looking like they're going to wait until 2014 to start up the goddamn exchange.
 
2012-10-30 03:54:59 PM  

karnal: Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.


if you Google that 613 number you get this

Obama's White House has approved fewer regulations than his predecessor George W. Bush at this same point in their tenures, and the estimated costs of those rules haven't reached the annual peak set in fiscal 1992 under Bush's father, according to government data reviewed by Bloomberg News.

I called it when I said shreds of facts, booyah!
 
2012-10-30 03:57:14 PM  

karnal: According to the SBA's Office of Advocacy, federal regulations cost small businesses about 36 percent more per employee to comply than their big business counterparts.
SBA


per employee?

Another way to say that would be that the expenditure is the same.
 
2012-10-30 03:58:31 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.

I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.


so the article was hyperbole?
say it ain't so
 
2012-10-30 03:58:33 PM  

colon_pow: Philip Francis Queeg:
Tell her that her employees are farking human beings who deserve to be able to get health insurance. They don't exist simply as a means to line her pockets.

that's right. profit be damned. she should go out and hire a bunch of homeless people while she's at it.
they're human beings who deserve a job and health insurance.


Yea, that's not the best solution. Single-payer would be much better.
 
2012-10-30 03:59:09 PM  

karnal: udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?


You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers. 

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.


Ah, "regulations", the myth that the problem with our economy is that there isn't enough arsenic in our drinking water.

The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

But let me tell you a story to explain how the respective parties feel about small businesses: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance. This made me essentially an indentured servant to the corporation I worked for. And I'm not alone, there were millions of us.

ObamaCare cut in half the amount of money my business would have needed to make in order to break even after buying my own insurance. I'm now a successful small business owner, and ObamaCare literally gave me freedom to become that. If Mitt Romney is elected, and overturns the ACA as promised, I will be forced to close my business, fire the 2 employees I have, and go back to working for a corporation with access to group health.

As a small business owner, this election is a no-brainer.
 
2012-10-30 03:59:56 PM  

codergirl42: Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.

eleventy brazillion revolutions/second


He's a lie-rascope!
 
2012-10-30 03:59:56 PM  

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.


Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.
 
2012-10-30 04:00:26 PM  
Ant:
Don't give a shiat. It's a cost of doing business now. You'll get over it. Maybe instead of whining about ObamaCare, businesses should support a single-payer system, so they can get out of the heath care business altogether.

Well it does cost a bit, but it's been SO useful as a way to keep employees toeing the line... lest they be fired and little Timmy's bad kidneys suddenly become a "pre-existing condition". 

This is why automakers, whose employees are union-protected, actually support single-payer - they can't use the coercive factor and SP reduces their costs.
 
2012-10-30 04:04:48 PM  
Worst use of hero tag ever.
 
2012-10-30 04:05:29 PM  
theknuckler_33
/or were you talking guerrilla-like tactics?

Nothing's stopping you from joining/starting a grassroots union where you work, starting a Solidarity Network, clogging up courts and jails whenever there's a foreclosure, cracking empty buildings and letting in homeless people, starting community food projects to reduce people's reliance on money, start community media such as newsletters and radio, start a freeschool...

Oops sorry I forgot that the only way anything can get done is if the government does it
 
2012-10-30 04:08:51 PM  

Saiga410: ChimpMitten: But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 - but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company's business interests.

So the company did not get checked out in the past 8 years?


Dunno, I haven't been following the story that closely, but to have the Romney admin actually find problems then let the company off the hook is going to look very bad for him.

I would think this, and the hurricane are going to make people appreciate their governmental services a little more. I think a lot of weird things though.
 
2012-10-30 04:09:24 PM  

colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.

I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.

so the article was hyperbole?
say it ain't so


I don't really know. You definitely have the edge on me there. You and hyperbole are pretty tight, so if you say it is, then I guess it is.
 
2012-10-30 04:09:32 PM  

Headso: karnal: Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.

if you Google that 613 number you get this

Obama's White House has approved fewer regulations than his predecessor George W. Bush at this same point in their tenures, and the estimated costs of those rules haven't reached the annual peak set in fiscal 1992 under Bush's father, according to government data reviewed by Bloomberg News.

I called it when I said shreds of facts, booyah!


Here's a pretty good article about that 2nd number (the 129).
 
2012-10-30 04:10:28 PM  
You know who else pulled off a revolution?

cf.broadsheet.ie
 
2012-10-30 04:11:31 PM  

udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer


I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.
 
2012-10-30 04:15:02 PM  

Ant: randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare

A majority of people who don't know what the fark they're against, that is.

businesses are against ObamaCare as well.

Don't give a shiat. It's a cost of doing business now. You'll get over it. Maybe instead of whining about ObamaCare, businesses should support a single-payer system, so they can get out of the heath care business altogether.


I love that logic.

Health insurance premiums and hospital bills are going through the roof. We can't deal with this cost of doing business so let's pass a law called the Affordable Care Act.

Costs become higher as a direct result.

Deal with it. Cost of doing business.
 
2012-10-30 04:16:21 PM  

jigger: udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer

I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-30 04:17:14 PM  
udhq:
But let me tell you a story to explain how the respective parties feel about small businesses: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance. This made me essentially an indentured servant to the corporation I worked for. And I'm not alone, there were millions of us.

ObamaCare cut in half the amount of money my business would have needed to make in order to break even after buying my own insurance. I'm now a successful small business owner, and ObamaCare literally gave me freedom to become that. If Mitt Romney is elected, and overturns the ACA as promised, I will be forced to close my business, fire the 2 employees I have, and go back to working for a corporation with access to group health.


The irony of course is that if ACA is repealed, you would be unable to get insurance no matter who you worked for.

pixel.nymag.com


RanDomino:
Nothing's stopping you from joining/starting a grassroots union where you work, starting a Solidarity Network, clogging up courts and jails whenever there's a foreclosure, cracking empty buildings and letting in homeless people, starting community food projects to reduce people's reliance on money, start community media such as newsletters and radio, start a freeschool...

Oops sorry I forgot that the only way anything can get done is if the government does it


A large % of what you just described would be shut down by the cops the day you started it up. In a lot of places you're not even allowed to feed the homeless in the park. I'm not saying it's right, but of the first ten members of your "Solidarity Network", three would be undercover cops. (They'd be the ones saying you should plant a bomb, and then reporting back that "the members discussed a terrorist action")
 
2012-10-30 04:18:48 PM  
badaboom:
You know who else pulled off a revolution?

And from the looks of the internet these days, he succeeded. BTW who's the happy guy with the beard?
 
2012-10-30 04:18:57 PM  

RanDomino: theknuckler_33
/or were you talking guerrilla-like tactics?

Nothing's stopping you from joining/starting a grassroots union where you work, starting a Solidarity Network, clogging up courts and jails whenever there's a foreclosure, cracking empty buildings and letting in homeless people, starting community food projects to reduce people's reliance on money, start community media such as newsletters and radio, start a freeschool...

Oops sorry I forgot that the only way anything can get done is if the government does it


No, man, those are great ideas. Having a hard time seeing how that will change the complaints about Obama in your OP.

That Solidarity Group you linked to is doing great work, though. I'm sure Luis at Pegasus Pizza and those workers now getting their 10 minute breaks at Boracchini's are very appreciative. I hope they tackle nationwide income disparity next!
 
2012-10-30 04:20:10 PM  

Diogenes: And regrettably, instead of throwing the obstructionist Republicans up against the wall, we may be electing one of them.


Because way too many people, like the author of the Chicago Sun Times article currently above this one, blame Obama for Republican's lack of bipartisanship. Of course the only deal they would have taken was if Obama had just enacted their policies outright by cutting taxes more, criminalizing abortion and doing nothing about Wall St and Health Insurance reform.

But I guess everyone's ready to go back to supply side again. FINE, let's all just become serfs, I give up.
 
2012-10-30 04:20:43 PM  
udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?


You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers.

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.

Ah, "regulations", the myth that the problem with our economy is that there isn't enough arsenic in our drinking water.

The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

But let me tell you a story to explain how the respective parties feel about small businesses: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance. This made me essentially an indentured servant to the corporation I worked for. And I'm not alone, there were millions of us.

ObamaCare cut in half the amount of money my business would have needed to make in order to break even after buying my own insurance. I'm now a successful small business owner, and ObamaCare literally gave me freedom to become that. If Mitt Romney is elected, and overturns the ACA as promised, I will be forced to close my business, fire the 2 employees I have, and go back to working for a corporation with access to group health.

As a small business owner, this election is a no-brainer.


I guess we will see next Wednesday if your small business counter parts agree with you.
 
2012-10-30 04:25:50 PM  
urbangirl

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.

Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.



You are the shill - and probably a shrill shill.....and your entire comment is posted above for all to see. My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear. I imagine there is going to be a lot of STFUs coming from the left next week.
 
2012-10-30 04:25:54 PM  

theknuckler_33: Headso: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Isitoveryet: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.

Did you know that employers are REQUIRED to display certain posters in their offices? AND, they are socialist propaganda too! Some nonsense about being required to pay workers a certain amount and being forbidden from firing lazy bastards that don't work because of some bullshiat about a 'sick' family member. Liberal socialist propaganda being FORCED on small business owners. You've got to request those posters and then hang them up yourself! That's time that would be better spent job creatin'! Damned job killing regulations!!!


Those who are out of ideas are the ones who snark
 
2012-10-30 04:27:31 PM  

karnal: urbangirl

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.

Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.


You are the shill - and probably a shrill shill.....and your entire comment is posted above for all to see. My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear. I imagine there is going to be a lot of STFUs coming from the left next week.


Bye!
 
2012-10-30 04:29:00 PM  

karnal: urbangirl

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.

Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.


You are the shill - and probably a shrill shill.....and your entire comment is posted above for all to see. My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear. I imagine there is going to be a lot of STFUs coming from the left next week.


Well, they may say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one.
 
2012-10-30 04:31:23 PM  

jigger: udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer

I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.


Believe me, I have looked into every possible angle over the years, and even through a freelancers union, it was prohibitively expensive with my pre-existing condition.

I've met a frightening number of people over the years in a similar situation to mine. Luckily, I now live in a universal access state (MN), but for people in the next state over, seeing a roomful of republicans applaud the idea of a "right to die" during the primary debate was pretty frightening. They're literally talking about a death sentence for the crime of being borne with an illness.
 
2012-10-30 04:32:15 PM  
udhq: The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

Regulations follow the money, not the other way around.


udhq: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance.

Ah, I see. That's not insurance. That's a discount plan.
 
2012-10-30 04:46:07 PM  

karnal: My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear


if liberals are always telling you to stfu maybe the problem is you, based on your comments on fark that seems to be a safe bet.
 
2012-10-30 04:48:39 PM  

jigger: udhq: The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

Regulations follow the money, not the other way around.


That was my point exactly. Eliminating regulations does not lead to economic growth. Never has, never will.


udhq: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance.

Ah, I see. That's not insurance. That's a discount plan.


Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.
 
2012-10-30 04:56:04 PM  

udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.


Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.
 
2012-10-30 04:58:14 PM  

jigger: udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


I see you believe in the Republican plan for healthcare:

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-10-30 05:00:38 PM  

jigger: You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

 
2012-10-30 05:06:53 PM  

jigger: udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

By the way, there's a term for what you're implying. It's called "eugenics", you should look it up.
 
2012-10-30 05:10:39 PM  

Green Scorpio: theknuckler_33: Headso: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Isitoveryet: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.

Did you know that employers are REQUIRED to display certain posters in their offices? AND, they are socialist propaganda too! Some nonsense about being required to pay workers a certain amount and being forbidden from firing lazy bastards that don't work because of some bullshiat about a 'sick' family member. Liberal socialist propaganda being FORCED on small business owners. You've got to request those posters and then hang them up yourself! That's time that would be better spent job creatin'! Damned job killing regulations!!!

Those who are out of ideas are the ones who snark


Thanks Confucius.

Those who have no facts obfuscate.

/Here ya go
 
2012-10-30 05:15:52 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: I see you believe in the Republican plan for healthcare:


yawn.

Soup4Bonnie: jigger: You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.

udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.


Well, why don't you explain it to me. Let's hear how you use homeowners insurance to pay for maid service or your auto insurance to pay for oil changes.
 
2012-10-30 05:21:04 PM  

udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

By the way, there's a term for what you're implying. It's called "eugenics", you should look it up.


Oh this is getting good.

I guess you took an insurance policy out when you were a gleam in your father's eye?
 
2012-10-30 05:22:23 PM  

udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?


You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.
 
2012-10-30 05:26:22 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.


If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.
 
2012-10-30 05:32:21 PM  

Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.


And if you times it by his 5 point plan that number is to big to count!
 
2012-10-30 05:36:38 PM  

jigger: Philip Francis Queeg: udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.

If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.


You're right about that: health insurance is technically not insurance, since it is not meant to mitigate risk because everybody uses healthcare services.

Or do you believe that babies should be born with $10,000+ in debt to cover the costs of their own deliveries?
 
2012-10-30 05:42:02 PM  

jigger: If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.


Because when someone has one condition, they can't possibly incur any additional maladies.
 
2012-10-30 05:47:56 PM  

jigger: udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


Your empathy to your fellow humans is truly astounding. Your bootstraps must be HUGE.
 
2012-10-30 06:08:01 PM  
No Such Agency
A large % of what you just described would be shut down by the cops the day you started it up.

Of the seven things I listed, two are illegal (including one which uses mass arrests as a strategy). I know that that doesn't stop the police from shutting things down- but if you're willing to agree to that, then you have to either be a willing slave or a revolutionary.

In a lot of places you're not even allowed to feed the homeless in the park.

I didn't suggest that, both for that reason and for the fact that it seems to always decay into charity work.

I'm not saying it's right, but of the first ten members of your "Solidarity Network", three would be undercover cops. (They'd be the ones saying you should plant a bomb, and then reporting back that "the members discussed a terrorist action")

You could at least pretend to click the link.


theknuckler_33
That Solidarity Group you linked to is doing great work, though. I'm sure Luis at Pegasus Pizza and those workers now getting their 10 minute breaks at Boracchini's are very appreciative. I hope they tackle nationwide income disparity next!

That is far more than Obama has done for these people. And by winning small fights we can gain momentum and credibility to win bigger fights.


udhq
My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

This is like the argument neoliberals make for Social Security privatization- that it's somehow a savings account rather than a social safety net to spread out the effects of misfortune. How, HOW, are the people who are against universal healthcare winning?? I mean, massive amounts of money fueling intentionally-confusing propaganda, but other than that
 
2012-10-30 06:23:13 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.

I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.

so the article was hyperbole?
say it ain't so

I don't really know. You definitely have the edge on me there. You and hyperbole are pretty tight, so if you say it is, then I guess it is.


hyperbolically speaking, i would say the author laid it on pretty thick.
 
2012-10-30 06:55:35 PM  
I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.
 
2012-10-30 07:02:16 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.


except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...
 
2012-10-30 07:08:33 PM  
Really is amazing how many people here are against affordable health insurance for everyone that doesn't drop you if you develop something or deny you from getting any insurance if you have a pre-existing condition.
 
2012-10-30 07:21:10 PM  

colon_pow: poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.

except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...


i.imgur.com

I feel like I'm going to get a lot of mileage out of this pic
 
2012-10-30 07:46:20 PM  

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.


By definition, 50% of the country is below average. Guess which 50%.
 
2012-10-30 08:46:11 PM  

karnal: Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.


According to the SBA's Office of Advocacy, federal regulations cost small businesses about 36 percent more per employee to comply than their big business counterparts.
SBA


An interesting note from the SBA's Office of Advocacy report on The Impact of Regulatory Costs on Small Business;

"This report does not address the benefits of regulation, an important challenge that would be a logical next step toward achieving a rational regulatory system." (Emphasis mine)

It's amazing how easy it is to talk about terrible effects of regulation without discussing the benefits...
 
2012-10-30 08:47:27 PM  

colon_pow: poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.

except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...


Speed bump it is compared to Iraq. That was a draw bridge.
 
2012-10-30 09:18:10 PM  
RanDomino:
I'm not saying it's right, but of the first ten members of your "Solidarity Network", three would be undercover cops. (They'd be the ones saying you should plant a bomb, and then reporting back that "the members discussed a terrorist action")

You could at least pretend to click the link.


Sorry I kind of went off on a rant there... we see this neo-COINTELPRO stuff all the time even in Canada these days.
 
2012-10-30 09:21:20 PM  
But were they televised?
 
2012-10-30 09:31:03 PM  

udhq: jigger: udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer

I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.

Believe me, I have looked into every possible angle over the years, and even through a freelancers union, it was prohibitively expensive with my pre-existing condition.

I've met a frightening number of people over the years in a similar situation to mine. Luckily, I now live in a universal access state (MN), but for people in the next state over, seeing a roomful of republicans applaud the idea of a "right to die" during the primary debate was pretty frightening. They're literally talking about a death sentence for the crime of being borne with an illness.


No worry, the trick is to curl up and act like a fetus.
 
2012-10-30 10:11:34 PM  

colon_pow: poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.

except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...


B-B-B-Benghazi!
 
2012-10-31 03:15:22 AM  

jigger: Philip Francis Queeg: udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.

If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.


What the hell kind of talking point is this? What else would it be if not insurance? The definition of the term isn't contingent on how much money the insurance company expects to make off the guy.
 
2012-10-31 03:20:18 AM  

badaboom: You know who else pulled off a revolution?


i293.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 12:06:49 PM  
In 2004, four years before Obama's election, I sensed the tremendous destiny of the man whom I called the black Kennedy.

heh

Clint Eastwood was right.
 
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